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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Adogg on August 03, 2004, 12:04:37 PM
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...is the F6f somehow uber and no one told me?!?
An old stick took me into the DA once to help me master the merge. For the most part i never got it but he did make sure we both used the F6f. That was a couple of months back.
Yesterday though i decided for ****z and giggles that I would up the F6 on an attack run. Big bird, why the hell not?
Ass raped a spit (sadly i don't know what kind.) All of that merge mastering controlling the E, forcing the NME down beating him back...it worked. By god, for a minute I though: "... sheeet and my accounts just about to expire as I'm getting decent..."
But then in dawned on me...maybe its the plane and I still sux.
:D
Thoughts?
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I wouldn't say uber. It's just good at lots of things.
Good speed. Good climb. Good roll. Good guns. Good loadout. Tough. Great dive. Carrier aircraft.
Jack of most trades.
It has a couple drawbacks but it has alot more going for it and is what makes it a great plane.
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Originally posted by Blooz
I wouldn't say uber. It's just good at lots of things.
Good speed. Good climb. Good roll. Good guns. Good loadout. Tough. Great dive. Carrier aircraft.
Jack of most trades.
It has a couple drawbacks but it has alot more going for it and is what makes it a great plane.
Yup, F6F is the best at nothing, but good at everything. It's a great E-fighter that can turn circles around almost anything. It is one of those planes that can out-turn anything it can't out-run. Its zoom climb and general E retention seems better in AH2 vs. AH1. What sets it apart from Spits and such is its excellent manuevering flaps.
Zazen
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It's a blue niki. Only losers fly them with any regularity.
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actually, the F6F is not such a good plane if you look at the data:
hardly faster than the spit IX (and slower up high), not more than reasonable climber, medium turner (but very good slow speed handler), only standard armament.
What is so much nice about it is that it belongs to that hybrid class that can both turn some and zoom some - like the P38 / spit IX / 205 / 109G2. A true E fighter will dominate it, a true turner will beat it if they play their cards right, but a good pilot will mix a little of everything and can suprise the opponent.
I love it, it's my TnB version of the jug. too bad for the ugly blue colour...
Bozon
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definately been noticeing how hard its been lately to kill those fricken f6f's:mad:
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Originally posted by Furious
It's a blue niki. Only losers fly them with any regularity.
OMFG Furious, don't tell that to Greebo, he'll be most disappointed to find out he's a 'loser'! =)
Zazen
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wow met a mean 110 tonight, ouch!!!
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
wow met a mean 110 tonight, ouch!!!
Was it Mn7?
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Only an idiot would fly a F6F and expect any sort of success....
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Originally posted by Soulyss
Only an idiot would fly a F6F and expect any sort of success....
Damn, I'm an idiot! :(
Zazen
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Adogg, don't give up now.
Aces High is not something thats mastered in a month or maybe even a year.
Find something that you enjoy, work at it.
Try a new plane at least once a week for a sortie, if for no other reason that to learn how to beat it.
And if your still frustrated, schedule an appointmen with a trainer to see where you need help.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Was it Mn7?
no it was a long name all in caps
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i prefer the F4U-1 F4UC but thats just me
the F6F is slow its not fast its not a great turner its not great at anything and not good in some things
sorry its not a plane that will outrun the better turners Spits own it
the LA5 comes to mind as a true plane with that abilty and will outrun the F6F in the dust and almost outturn by a hair
its a good plane tho but nothing uber nor great
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Soulyss why you makin fun of me like that:(
Iwant my blue velvet interior back!!!:D or you can come knight again:)
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lol Wadke...
we'll see... I kinda like country hoping every few weeks... keeps the faces in green fresh and I kinda like that.
As for the F6F not being a great turnier... if the speeds are right the F6F will turn with just about anything in the game. It will hang with spits till the speeds get down below 225 or so.
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Originally posted by simshell
i prefer the F4U-1 F4UC but thats just me
the F6F is slow its not fast its not a great turner its not great at anything and not good in some things
sorry its not a plane that will outrun the better turners Spits own it
the LA5 comes to mind as a true plane with that abilty and will outrun the F6F in the dust and almost outturn by a hair
its a good plane tho but nothing uber nor great
Ummm, I have to disagree about spits owning the F6F.
There's not a snowball's chance in hell an La5 will come anywhere near an F6F in a sustained turn-fight.
Zazen
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i have the fights are very close only when the stall speed gets realy slow that the F6F starts to realy pull away in turnrate
and the spitfire V does own it.
the F6F is not a great turner i tend to think as the Spit5 a6m hurr f4f as great turners while the F6F is a good turner but spit v does own it in everthing but armor and jabo guns
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Originally posted by simshell
i have the fights are very close only when the stall speed gets realy slow that the F6F starts to realy pull away in turnrate
and the spitfire V does own it.
the F6F is not a great turner i tend to think as the Spit5 a6m hurr f4f as great turners while the F6F is a good turner but spit v does own it in everthing but armor and jabo guns
You know the F6F has wonderfull manuevering flaps right? Unlike the Spits. If you start dropping flaps as you get slow and to help you over the top of loops you're going to eat most spits alive with some practice, all other factors being equal.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Adogg, don't give up now.
Aces High is not something thats mastered in a month or maybe even a year.
Find something that you enjoy, work at it.
Try a new plane at least once a week for a sortie, if for no other reason that to learn how to beat it.
And if your still frustrated, schedule an appointmen with a trainer to see where you need help.
Oh I'm not givin' up...my credit card balance is looking like it survived (well maybe survived is a little generous) a straffing run by a P38 loaded for bear. :D I'll be back, not to worry, was enjoying my final days for a while with some new planes and the F6f suddenly has turned into a real fun plane for some reason.
Landed two kills in one sitting with it last night as A6 was getting a Knit gang-banging. Not spectacular perhaps but a thrill for me.
:aok
Thanks for the discussion on the plane guys.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
...What sets it apart from Spits and such is its excellent manuevering flaps.
Zazen
Which of course, it did not have in the real world.
-Blogs
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Originally posted by joeblogs
Which of course, it did not have in the real world.
-Blogs
It didn't?
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Originally posted by joeblogs
Which of course, it did not have in the real world.
-Blogs
F6F's DID have multiple position flaps. Check America's Hundred Thousand for the details.
My regards,
Widewing
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i tend to love to make spitfires spit fire (pun intended) in turn fights...the flaps are great and the thing can get slow like no other which makes it great for surprising people... Adogg if you want...i will let you fly in my hellcat a few times to show you some things:)
Disclaimer: This is my own opinion from my experiences... and your entitled to it :)
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Wadke,
Can you do that? Let someone else fly with you in a single-seat fighter? First I've heard of it.
Or are you just joshin'?
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Yeah, you can just observe. I think its locked in pilot view.....
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You can join someone as observer in all planes.
Limitations are that you won't see his tracers, you won't see his throttle settings.
But you can learn a lot that way.
Just remember to always ask before hitting the join button.
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Multiple position flaps are not necessarily manuevering flaps.
If you look at the layout of the f6, you see the flaps switch is a simple up/down toggle on the left hand side panel, behind the throttle quadrant. That is not a layout conducive to changing flap positions in the middle of a dog fight.
The manual also indicates the flaps won't deploy at all at speeds of 170 knots or more. In other words, they can't be used at the plane's corner velocity.
I am happy to be corrected, but I've never seen an F6 pilot discuss using these flaps in a combat situation.
-blogs
p.s. Of course I use these flaps in Aces all the time...
Originally posted by Widewing
F6F's DID have multiple position flaps. Check America's Hundred Thousand for the details.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by simshell
i have the fights are very close only when the stall speed gets realy slow that the F6F starts to realy pull away in turnrate
and the spitfire V does own it.
the F6F is not a great turner i tend to think as the Spit5 a6m hurr f4f as great turners while the F6F is a good turner but spit v does own it in everthing but armor and jabo guns
You're right, the F6F sucks.
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yep F6F suxx0r t3h b1g 0n3! and wadke and math(poopeater)man are no sk1llz hack5!!!!
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Math and JB73 summed up the debate pretty well... not much more i have to add. But i agree that big blue thing is so repetitive and fat and ugly and it sucks and i suck at flying and etc.
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Originally posted by Mathman
You're right, the F6F sucks.
i never said it sucks
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Joe B.
Your right.
Also unlike AH the flaps could not be deployed in stages. They could retract in multiple positions once fully deployed but only with the use of the auto retract feature.
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How about the F4F and the FM2?
Are their flaps setting in AH realistic?
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The F6f (http://www.combathanger.com/fighterreviews/f6f/f6f.htm)
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Originally posted by Angus
How about the F4F and the FM2?
Are their flaps setting in AH realistic?
Well I know they were pneumatic rather than hydraulic with electric actuators as on the F6f.
-blogs
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Originally posted by Zazen13
OMFG Furious, don't tell that to Greebo, he'll be most disappointed to find out he's a 'loser'! =)
Zazen
I've been shot down by that "loser" Greebo in his F6F several times the last few days...but then again I seem to get shot down by just about everybody!:D
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Originally posted by simshell
i have the fights are very close only when the stall speed gets realy slow that the F6F starts to realy pull away in turnrate
and the spitfire V does own it.
the F6F is not a great turner i tend to think as the Spit5 a6m hurr f4f as great turners while the F6F is a good turner but spit v does own it in everthing but armor and jabo guns
A good F6-F pilot should never get killed by a Spit 5 in a 1 on 1. Hellcat dictates the fight.
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The wildcat had split flaps deployed using a vacuum generated by the engine and stored in a tank. Back pressure on the flaps is provided by springs, and dynamic pressure from the slipstream.
The flap switch is located on the left hand side panel, behind and to the left of the throttle quadrant.
If I under stand the diagram in Francis Dean's America's 100k, the flap switch is an all or nothing affair. When in the flaps up position, the circuit is exposed to the outside atmosphere so there is no vacuum to drive the flaps. When in the flaps down position, a vacuum is created, pulling the flaps down. There's no way to support a partial vacuum with a system like this.
What's more, the flaps don't deploy at speeds above 150 IAS, well below corner velocity. Now deploying the flaps might save you from a stall, but it would be a despiration move.
It's been some time since I've flown this plane in AH, but my hazy recollection is that it is modeled with multiple position flaps.
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Originally posted by joeblogs
Well I know they were pneumatic rather than hydraulic with electric actuators as on the F6f.
-blogs
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Originally posted by ALF
The F6f (http://www.combathanger.com/fighterreviews/f6f/f6f.htm)
Go ALF!