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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cpxxx on August 04, 2004, 04:23:16 PM
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I notice that one or two people who frequent this site are virulently against John Kerry. :mad: It seems that only Osama Bin Laden would be a worse candidate the way some people talk.
BUT..........What if he is elected President and I have a gut feeling that he will be President come January? Not that I have a preference or a vote.
Will you continue the campaign against his presidency. Will you join in criticism against him by foreigners and foreign governments? Will you get your gun and attempt to overthrow him;) (joke). Or will you close ranks behind the Commander in Chief as Americans usually do.
How will you cope with a President who apparently represents everything you hate?
I'm curious.
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Obviously all the liberals on this board will contionue with their viscious attacks on the president and this country as is the duty of all true patriots.
Deth to Amreeka!
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I originally wanted Westly Clark to win but then Kerry emerged out of the democrats as the victor ahead of dean (who everyone thought would win out of the democrats). Bush has alot of political agendas Im disagreeing with. Kerry has a bunch that I agree with. Im a true moderate. I could lean either way depending on the agendas.
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Or will you close ranks behind the Commander in Chief as Americans usually do.
Funny, the Dems didn't do this w/ Bush except for a couple of weeks after 9/11.
Even while we were at war, the dems attacked the President.
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If Kerry is elected, Alec Baldwin will be able to move back to the USA.
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Kerry has a bunch that I agree with.
Really? Name them please
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Hmm, yes of course Grunherz:confused: But on that point. What about all you guys who are constantly tagging Bush. Will you now be rushing to defend Kerry from all the crazy neo cons. Will we witness the spectacle of non Americans defending the President of the United States from attacks by Americans. :eek:
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Steve, you picked a great moment to call my bluff. Actually he does but I have to run right now and cant take the time to answer your question in detail. Basicaly the economy, stronger middle class, his veteran experience and its regards to being CIC. Thats very broad but most important is how he will handle the fundamentals that I feel will affect americas future economy. Like I said earlier, I feel Bush put a bandaid on the problem and I think Kerry has a diagnoses of the real problem.
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What if John Kerry becomes President?
Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria.
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Since he won't tell us what he will do, since his plans are secret, we will have to see. if he does a good job he will have my full backing, and if he dicks it up, I will rag on him, just like with Bush.
Can you say Education bill, Prescription drug entitlement, Steel tariffs? Bush has done plenty to piss me off, but on the most important issue, he has done well, IMO.
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I say if that should happen .... we Republicans do a pre~emptive strike on Ireland with frikken potatos and stumpbreak any leprechan that looks up!!!!
:D
talk sheeet now cpxxx... ya basstage... I'm probably more Irish than you.
take now that I've 'ad me a couple o'mice and the farmers daughters.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
If Kerry is elected, Alec Baldwin will be able to move back to the USA.
Perhaps several thousand conservatives will move to Canada. Hey ... whatdyaknow? I can actually feel the political climate in Canada changing this very moment.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
What about all you guys who are constantly tagging Bush. Will you now be rushing to defend Kerry from all the crazy neo cons?
Why of course! That's how it works... doesn't it? :confused:
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That would mean Grunz didn't vote again?
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when the sun rises in the west and skerry the war hero wins, I will pray for this country as it would have taken a huge turn further down the crapper in every imaginable way
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"Everyone, Republican or otherwise has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small, no one is too old or too young to do something."
Bobby Sands(1954-1981)
:aok
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Basicaly the economy, stronger middle class
What are his policies that you agree with? This is generalization. what was he specific about that you agree with? Answer when you can. :)
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Originally posted by AWMac
I say if that should happen .... we Republicans do a pre~emptive strike on Ireland with frikken potatos and stumpbreak any leprechan that looks up!!!!
:D
talk sheeet now cpxxx... ya basstage... I'm probably more Irish than you.
take now that I've 'ad me a couple o'mice and the farmers daughters.
:rofl
Hah, you Okie farmer, we'll mash your potatoes and our Leprechuans have gone stealthy so you'll never see them look.
You might be more Irish than me, one my ancestors was an Anglo landlord who probably put your peasant ancestors on the boat to Amerikay so we could grab your land ! :rofl
On the other hand you Republicans could come here and live. We have our own kind of Republicans who like guns too. :cool: You'd get on famously. :p
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Originally posted by cpxxx
I notice that one or two people who frequent this site are virulently against John Kerry. :mad: It seems that only Osama Bin Laden would be a worse candidate the way some people talk.
BUT..........What if he is elected President and I have a gut feeling that he will be President come January? Not that I have a preference or a vote.
Will you continue the campaign against his presidency. Will you join in criticism against him by foreigners and foreign governments? Will you get your gun and attempt to overthrow him;) (joke). Or will you close ranks behind the Commander in Chief as Americans usually do.
How will you cope with a President who apparently represents everything you hate?
I'm curious.
It's an irrelevant question. It will never happen.
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Note that I will hold him to this standard:
"I voted for what I thought was best for the country. Did I expect Howard Dean to go off to the left and say, 'I'm against everything'? Sure. Did I expect George Bush to f - - - it up as badly as he did? I don't think anybody did,"
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I won't vote for Kerry because he has already made plain the differences between his political views and my own.
If he's elected, and he takes a strong stance on national security I will support him.
If he cuts and runs in Iraq and leaves the work there unfinished I will oppose him.
If he attempts to play kissie-face with the U.N. and it's shreckless, foppish leaders I will oppose him.
If his environmental policies are sensible and take account of the views of opposing sides (My own views on the environment are often contradictory) I will support him.
If he allows extreme leftists or rightists or the Hollywood set to gain too strong an influence in the White House I will oppose him.
If Kerry's policies reflect the political views of the east and west coasts and ignore the people of the heartland I will oppose him.
If his administration enforces existing gun laws that target criminal usage I will support. If he tries to enact new gun laws affecting law-abiding gun owners I will oppose him.
I have no doubt that, if Kerry gains a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress his policies will reflect little respect for any of the views that I, or any other people living in the heartland, support.
But, until he proved otherwise, I would support him...with my fingers crossed.
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(http://noobclue.com/Birdie.jpg)
John Kerry got elected? WOT?????
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make no sense
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Does anyone remember that? I forget where I got it from.
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If your Irish...., worry about your own President...., not ours......
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On the other hand you Republicans could come here and live. We have our own kind of Republicans who like guns too. :cool: You'd get on famously. :p [/B]
Spoken as if 'e were to be Irish...tsch, laddy 'ave ye no mind who Bobby Sands is to be?
:confused:
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Here's a lil help Buggery Boy....
Ten men, ten Irish Republican volunteers paid the ultimate sacrifice during those summer months of 1981. Bobby Sands, Francis Hughes, Raymond McCreesh, Patsy O'Hara, Joe McDonnell, Martin Hurson, Kevin Lynch, Thomas McElwee, Kieran Doherty and Mickey Devine. Their names are written on the hearts and minds of every Irish Republican in Ireland and abroad.
Sooo... cpxxx latch 'hold tight of your strings that let you loose, Momma misses you.
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Originally posted by Steve
What are his policies that you agree with? This is generalization. what was he specific about that you agree with? Answer when you can. :)
Good luck getting an answer to that, he's made no specific (really specific) proposals to date that I have heard.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Steve, you picked a great moment to call my bluff. Actually he does but I have to run right now and cant take the time to answer your question in detail. Basicaly the economy, stronger middle class, his veteran experience and its regards to being CIC. Thats very broad but most important is how he will handle the fundamentals that I feel will affect americas future economy. Like I said earlier, I feel Bush put a bandaid on the problem and I think Kerry has a diagnoses of the real problem.
A "diagnosis" is not a treatment. He has given no details on how he will handle Iraq, the War on Terror, or the economy (other than raising taxes on the people paying the bulk of the taxes already). I’m not sure what you (or rather, Kerry) means by “stronger middle-class.” Middle-class income actually increased by nearly 5 percent between 2000 and 2002, according to the latest IRS statistics. This fact runs completely counter to the Kerry-Edwards argument about a “middle-class squeeze. Regarding the economy in general…
GOOD ECONOMIC HEADLINES [08/04 12:16 PM]
The Bush camp is insane if they don't do everything they can to publicize these economic numbers:
Reuters: New orders at U.S. factories rose by more than expected in June and May's fall was revised to show a gain, government data showed on Wednesday, while a jump in a key service sector poll added to the upbeat outlook.
The Commerce Department said factory orders advanced 0.7 percent in June, after a revised 0.4 percent gain in May that was initially reported as a 0.3 percent fall.
Wall Street had forecast orders to grow 0.5 percent in June and the data dovetailed with an Institute for Supply Management report on Monday showing U.S. factories stepped up the pace in July.
Reuters: U.S. auto sales heated up again in July, after a surprising slowdown a month earlier, even as Detroit's traditional Big Three automakers had mixed results.
Buoyed by high incentives and low interest rates, Wall Street analysts say light vehicle sales industrywide hit a seasonally adjusted annual rate between 17.1 million and 17.5 million for the month.
That would be down from a 17.8 million annual rate in May, when car sales made their strongest showing of the year so far. But it would be much better than a 15.4 million rate in June, when sales plunged to a nearly six-year low.
AFP: The American manufacturing sector sped up activity in July, cementing the longest stretch of rapid growth in more than 30 years, a survey showed.
The Institute for Supply Management purchasing managers' index (PMI), based on a survey of supply executives, rose 0.9 point from June to 62.0 in July, in line with private economists' forecasts.
It was the 14th consecutive reading above 50 points, which indicates an expansion in activity.
"The manufacturing sector continues to grow at a rapid rate as the PMI has now been above 60 percent for nine consecutive months," survey chief Norbert Ore said in a statement.
"This is the longest period of growth above 60 percent since the 12-month period of July 1972 through June 1973," he said.
AP: Wages and benefits for U.S. workers rose a moderate 0.9 percent in the April-June quarter this year, down slightly from the previous quarter's increase, as price pressures for benefits like health insurance eased significantly.
The Labor Department reported Thursday that the 0.9 percent rise in wages and benefits in the second quarter followed a 1.1 percent increase in the January-March quarter. It was the smallest quarterly increase since a 0.8 percent rise in the final quarter of last year.
Regarding his military experience, he was a lieutenant in charge of a dozen men for four months. While I applaud his (and anyone’s military service), you would have me believe that his four months in command of a patrol boat will better qualify him for commander and chief of the US military that George W. Bush’s four years as commander in chief? I commanded a twenty-man Air Force detachment. I would hardly say that qualifies me to lead this nation's military. By the way, do you know which man, Bush or Kerry, actually spent more time on full-time duty status? Hint: “Kerry” is not the right answer. Besides, his shameful behavior when he returned from Vietnam, and his own admission that he knew of and participated in war crimes during those four months in theater pretty much disqualifies him in my mind, and in the mind of most military members.
Another tidbit, this one concerning Kerry’s character…
BAD ADJOINING HEADLINES ON GOOGLE [08/04 03:31 PM]
Team Kerry probably hopes these two headlines don't run next to each other in too many papers tomorrow:
ABCNews: Kerry Denounces Special Corporate Favors
Bloomberg: Kerry Lists Endorsements From 204 Corporate Leaders
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Originally posted by Steve
What are his policies that you agree with? This is generalization. what was he specific about that you agree with? Answer when you can. :)
Steve, these are the six areas on the issues that concern me most although some other areas concern me as well like social security etc...
* Budget & Economy
* Corporations
* Foreign Policy
* Free Trade or world trade
* Homeland Security
* Tax Reform
You can refer to this official list (http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm#Principles_+_Values) of issues. Hope that answers your question.
:)
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Nope. The question was, what specifics regarding how Kerry would handle each of these issues do you agree with?
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skerry will fix everything for everybody .. is that clear enough - LOL
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Budget & Economy
Follow Clinton's plan to halve deficit in four years.
He recognises that Bushs tax cuts helped a bit (bandaid). However I dont thinks thats the best solution in the long run.
Corporations
Close the loopholes that reward corps taking jobs overseas.
Create incentives for more domestic investment rather than overseas investment.
Regulate on side of citizens, not on side of corporations. To me means more than the unions and means explicit and proactive policies towards economic job growth.
Foreign Policy
American power comes from respect, not weapons.
Bush undermines generations of American leadership.
Excluding other nations in rebuilding Iraq is dumb.
Supports multilateral cooperative internationalism.
Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe.
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions.
Voted YES on ending Vietnam embargo.
Free Trade
All new trade must include labor and environmental standards.
Build a rule-based global trading system (to me this amounts in better management of the effects of the WTO on trade with other countries).
Homeland Security
Bush's foreign policy has not made American safer (debatable to much extent). Although we have a great platform in the middle east now to fight terrorism. The US has created a dependant middle eastern nation for the foreseable future.
Four new imperatives: alliances, modernize, end Mideast oil dependancy.
Increase military by 40,000 troops-but no draft.
No new generation of nuclear weapons!
Automatic citizenship for immigrants who serves in military.
Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%.
Voted YES on deploying National Missile Defense ASAP.
Tax Reform
Voted YES on increasing tax deductions for college tuition.
More middle class tax cuts, less upper class tax breaks (from DNC speach).
Create additional specific tax incentives for domestic businesses. (from DNC speach).
Course I dont agree with everything Kerry or Bush does nor could anybody agree with everything about particular politician. Its all compromise.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Here's a lil help Buggery Boy....
Ten men, ten Irish Republican volunteers paid the ultimate sacrifice during those summer months of 1981. Bobby Sands, Francis Hughes, Raymond McCreesh, Patsy O'Hara, Joe McDonnell, Martin Hurson, Kevin Lynch, Thomas McElwee, Kieran Doherty and Mickey Devine. Their names are written on the hearts and minds of every Irish Republican in Ireland and abroad.
Sooo... cpxxx latch 'hold tight of your strings that let you loose, Momma misses you.
Opposite sides here. My slant on that is ten IRA terrorists starved themselves to death. No loss. They were traitors to Ireland and a threat to our freedom. When I served in the Irish military they were the enemy. Their friends still are.
Our war on terror has being going on for a long time.
But this is beside the point.
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Originally posted by Otto
If your Irish...., worry about your own President...., not ours......
My president doesn't matter Otto, yours does. I worry about what the US president does because it often directly effects me and everyone in my country. His policies could cost me my job or get me a better one. Or how much tax I pay or how much I pay for oil. He could mean the difference between peace and war. Actions of the US President effect everyone in the world directly or indirectly at some point. Just ask any Iraqi.
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Alec Baldwin will finally be ablve to move back into the US since when Bush was elected.
Huh? What? You mean that he only threatened to leave the US if Bush was elected and didn't actually do it???
Man, and I thought we could trust those liberal Democratic Hollywood types.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Since he won't tell us what he will do, since his plans are secret, we will have to see. if he does a good job he will have my full backing, and if he dicks it up, I will rag on him, just like with Bush.
It's there and has been for a few months now, it's now in book form also and available for download here:
http://www.johnkerry.com/plan/
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These elections are nothing but the re-run of last elections.
Just a different smartass democrat candidate and the same republican monkey.
...but I'm sure it can't get any worse than it already is.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
My president doesn't matter Otto, yours does. I worry about what the US president does because it often directly effects me and everyone in my country. His policies could cost me my job or get me a better one. Or how much tax I pay or how much I pay for oil. He could mean the difference between peace and war. Actions of the US President effect everyone in the world directly or indirectly at some point. Just ask any Iraqi.
Fair enough... just don't being trying to vote....:D
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If Kerry becomes President?
Hmmm,..A lot of folks will be eating crow that said it would never happen.
Hmmm,..A lot of folks will be eating crow that believed he would actually do what he says he will do.
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Originally posted by Otto
Fair enough... just don't being trying to vote....:D
Not much point in me trying although if things had panned out I would be voting. I once had a green card and would have been a citizen long ago. Still no use crying.
Thinking about it though, if I had a vote and looking at the stated policies. Living outside America I might vote Bush. But living in America I might vote Kerry.
But as Skuzzy implies, politicians never quite deliver on their promises.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Not much point in me trying although if things had panned out I would be voting. I once had a green card and would have been a citizen long ago. Still no use crying.
I'm sorry we missed you....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Obviously all the liberals on this board will contionue with their viscious attacks on the president and this country as is the duty of all true patriots.
Deth to Amreeka!
As all Righties who have said liberals were unpatriotic in not supporting Bush will support the new president unconditionally.
:lol
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American power comes from respect, not weapons. Bush undermines generations of American leadership.
Oh bullshiit, Bush is doing what should have been started years ago. Are you going ot placate and negotiate, even ignore terrorists and hope they go away? Clinton did and thousands of Americans are dead as a result.
Create incentives for more domestic investment rather than overseas investment.
You mean more loopholes? Rofl.
To me means more than the unions and means explicit and proactive policies towards economic job growth.
Unions mean higher wages right? Who bears the burden of this? The consumer. Higher wages means higher prices, this does nothing to help the economy.
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Oh bullshiit, Bush is doing what should have been started years ago. Are you going ot placate and negotiate, even ignore terrorists and hope they go away? Clinton did and thousands of Americans are dead as a result.
Silly boy. Bush II is just trying to clean up the mess left by Reagan and daddy Bush.
Here's (http://www.saag.org/papers5/paper433.html) an informative paper on the roots of the current Islamicist scourge. Read and comprehend please. Maybe you'll see how your inane accusations of "ignoring" terrorists stand up.