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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on August 05, 2004, 01:28:28 AM
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http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html
KABLAM!
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LOL! Lies!
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Gosh Rove must be getting desparate. :)
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html
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not a "war hero"?
no way !!! LOL
glad somebody's trying to un-spin skerry's spew..
Welcome to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=FAQ)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Gosh Rove must be getting desparate. :)
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html
LOL yeah, definitively after that 1 point bounce, or was it 4 according to Newsweek? Any way it was the smallest bounce ever recorded after a natl convention.
I wonder who is desperate...
(http://www.drudgereport.com/jfk.jpg)
Vote for me, get free corn
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Good morning Hortlund, your right. It must be Kerry who is desparate because he's winning. :confused:
EV's: Bush 211, Kerry 327
Big bounce or not, it's all about carrying the battlegound states.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Gosh Rove must be getting desparate. :)
http://www.electionprojection.com/elections2004.html
Two questions:
1. Do you have proof Carl Rove is the driving force behind the book?
2. What do you have to say about what the book says about Kerry?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Good morning Hortlund, your right. It must be Kerry who is desparate because he's winning. :confused:
EV's: Bush 211, Kerry 327
Big bounce or not, it's all about carrying the battlegound states.
He is most certainly not winning, unless you consider a 1 point bounce "winning".
And he is "carrying" them with marginals that are well within the marigin of error for the polls.
Get real Thrawn, the election is in November.
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Why are a Canadian and a Swede arguing about the US election? Can I get the British and French opinions on this?
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Originally posted by majic
Why are a Canadian and a Swede arguing about the US election? Can I get the British and French opinions on this?
*lol*
here's one german opinion: i hope for Kerry :aok
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This ought to tell us something...
Do most Europeans support Kerry?
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
*lol*
here's one german opinion: i hope for Kerry :aok
Why Kerry? You guys that hard up for money that you really need to get back to selling military hardware to Iraq even though there has been a ban since 91??? Guess you like Kerry cause ya know he'd not bother ya on it...:rolleyes:
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"I'm John Kerry.....and I approve this message. Unless you dont agree with it, in wich case I have a completly different message that you may in fact agree with that is in complete contradiction of the original!"
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Originally posted by majic
Why are a Canadian and a Swede arguing about the US election? Can I get the British and French opinions on this?
My very own French opinion :
Your opinion about my very own French opinion :
I think it's clear :D
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
"I'm John Kerry.....and I approve this message. Unless you dont agree with it, in wich case I have a completly different message that you may in fact agree with that is in complete contradiction of the original!"
"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."
– George W. Bush [8/30/00]:rolleyes:
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"Shove it!"
"They want 4 more years of HELL!"
:rofl
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
LOL! Lies!
Are they Lies because they contradict what you believe?
Then with that mentality,
To me it's the truth because it agrees with what I believe.
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Originally posted by rpm371
"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness."
– George W. Bush [8/30/00]:rolleyes:
If there was a crying/whining smilie I'd use it here.
WAAAAAAAH!!!!
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This is from the same group who ran the disgusting campaign against John McCain. He's pissed about this ad also.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/9327026.htm?1c
Only one of the Vets in that orginization actualy served with Kerry Steven Gardner. The groups 'leader' Paul O'Niel, Nixons attack dog against JK, has claimed to have served on the same boat....he did but a full two months after Kerry.
One Admiral in the group even gave glowing reviews of Kerry's actions in combat, but politics being what they are nowdays, he's decided to flip-flop.
This orginization is a 527, same as Moveon.org, some here claimed that JK's campaign was resopnsable in some way for their contest 'Bush in 30 seconds' where one of the entries linked Bush to Hitler.
So John McCain denounces this add but some here suck this crap up like it's truth straight from the Holy Grail.
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Actually, I just read that this group that is producing this ad is in fact the same group who produced ads FOR McCain's campaign. That comes from McCain himself.
The admiral and the commander that passed Kerry's request for a citation up the line said it was done and awarded within two days, as opposed to the normal process that takes weeks or months. He also said that he did not have all sides of the story BEFORE he passed it up the line. In other words, it was awarded without investigation into the incident, without interviews, and strictly on the merits of Kerry's own report.
Here are two links, I'm sure you won't like them, but they don't require registration either.
"McCain condemns ads that attack Kerry":
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/08/05/politics1020EDT0544.DTL&type=printable
Excerpts from "Unfit for Command" (Drudge Report):
http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm
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It amazes me that we are told that we must accept all that is wonderful and glowing about Kerry without question, and that if McCain says it is wrong to attack him then it is wrong to question him or attack him.
And yet, when about two dozen veterans of the same war, from the same unit as Kerry, speak out against him, we are supposed to ignore their views and discount them as a part of a disgusting attempt by Carl Rove to smear Kerry.
Just exactly why is it that McCain and Kerry should be taken at face value, respected, honored, and believed without question, while Hoffman, Bates, O'Neill, Elliot, Reese, and others, are to be thought of as less than honest, and with questionable ulterior motives?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Actually, I just read that this group that producing this ad is the same group who produced ads FOR McCain's campaign. That comes from McCain himself.
Source this, not from Drudge thank you, and I'll belive it.
The admiral that passed Kerry's request for a citation up the line said it was done and awarded within two days, as opposed to the normal process that takes weeks or months. He also said that he did not have all sides of the story BEFORE he passed it up the line. In other words, it was awarded without investigation into the incident, without interviews, and strictly on the merits of Kerry's own report.[/QUOTE]
Commanders do NOT send bull**** to a four-star general/admiral. Believe me, this stuff is screened, screened again, and checked over with a fine-toothed comb before it reaches anyone's desk with stars on his collar because those people do NOT enjoy being embarassed like that.
If think that all checks were put asside and the SS was awarded JK solely on his word...no wonder they call you people sheeple.
Here are two links, I'm sure you won't like them, but they don't require registration either.
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I see the spinmeisters are working overtime, IMO, unless the WH distances themselves from this 527 they'll suffer from their lies.
BTW, Carl Rove's good friend, Robert Perry, gave 100G's to this group, < Fr. Guido Sarduchi voice > coincidenza?
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Read the link under the heading "McCain condemns ads that attack Kerry", and you'll see that McCain says the same people that produced ads for him are producing ads for the group opposing Kerry. It wasn't Drudge that wrote it, but it was linked from his site. The paper is from San Fransisco.
Of course, as I said, you won't like the source. Just as we are supposed to take Kerry and McCain at face value, and we are supposed to ignore those who oppose Kerry or make McCain unhappy, we are supposed to question everything Drudge says. And you call others sheeple.:rofl
Oh yeah, and it's perfectly fine for friends of Kerry, or his wife, to contribute mega bucks to anti Bush groups, but friends of anyone in the Bush administration should never support people who don't like Kerry.:rofl
How about we check the date of the action for which Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, versus the date the citation was verified and accepted. I haven't looked yet, but I will.
Honestly, I hope Kerry isn't as guilty as they say he is, that really would be pretty sad.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
And yet, when about two dozen veterans of the same war, from the same unit as Kerry, speak out against him, we are supposed to ignore their views and discount them as a part of a disgusting attempt by Carl Rove to smear Kerry.
Same war and same unit? Most of these guys only connection with JK is that they served on the same type of boat in the same Navy in the same combat arena, ONLY one served on the same boat and a few served in the same squadron, you saying that the rest of JK's crew are lying now?
These vets are expressing personal opinion, not personal experience like JK's crew do.
IMO, it's disgusting that some here are so eager to slam vets for their service just because they don't like their politics...that goes for GWB's stint in the TANG also.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Read the link under the heading "McCain condemns ads that attack Kerry", and you'll see that McCain says the same people that produced ads for him are producing ads for the group opposing Kerry. It wasn't Drudge that wrote it, but it was linked from his site. The paper is from San Fransisco.
OK, a concession from me regarding the groups support of McCain, I found this quote from him:
''It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me,'' McCain said in an interview with The Associated Press, comparing the anti-Kerry ad to tactics in his bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush.
''I wish they hadn't done it,'' McCain said of his former advisers. ''I don't know if they knew all the facts.''
I was mistaken on the orginization but there's no doubt what McCain thinks of John O'Niel and his ilk.
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More than one or two of those vets say they were there during the action. And what they describe is far different than what Kerry claims. I've heard several say that Kerry's medal was awarded much quicker than normal, and that little was followed up at the time.
I'm not quick to condemn Kerry's service. I hope that what is being said is not what happened.
I am quick to condemn his politics. But if what is being said about his actions during the war is true, then he is the most disgusting scumbag I've seen in a while. On the otherhand, what is being said about his post war action IS true and verifiable, and for what he said about his fellow soldiers, I think little more of him than I do of "Voss", or Paul hinds, whatever you want to call him.
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New campaign poster:
(http://www.blogsforbush.com/images/KE.jpg)
What McCain SHOULD be mad about is how easily and quickly these 527s ((both sides) violated the McCain Feingold act
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The NeoCons better back away from the war record fight. They are entering a minefield with Dubya's history, or should I say lack of history.
(http://www.courier-journal.com/nick/2003/05/030509awol.gif)
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NeoCons.:rofl Such sharp wit.:rofl
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The Republicans did not make it an issue, Kerry did.
I hope this stuff is not true as well, but I DID read all of his service records (that have been released), and the impression I got was that he was a "marked man", someone with friends in high places. This appears evident from his evals. Check his records out, they are pretty interesting, but I wish he would release all of them.
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RPM - Bush isnt making his service a campaign issue. Kerry is.
As long as every third word out of his mouth is either "Vietnam," "Purple," or "Heart," he can expect scrutiny.
Quite frankly, I cant believe he is running on the 'war hero' ticket to begin with. Bad choice by the campaign manager... IMO.
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Kerry admitted before Congress that he is not witnessed war crimes in Vietnam himself and failed to stop or report them, but that he committed them himself. What excuse do you Kerry supporters make for that? Either he did so because he supported the war crimes being committed, or he did so because he lacked the moral courage to resist pressures from peers or superiors. Either makes him unfit for command. When he came home he then did all in his power to give aid and comfort to the enemy, strengthening their resolve giving them propaganda to use against our POWs (along with tourcher and starvation, of course). These are undeniable facts, and disqualify him from being a senator, let alone president. Forget the allegations made in this new book and add.
Another more basic question Kerry supporters need to consider: These allegations by this Swiftboat Veterans for Truth group may be lying. If so, they will be exposed as liers. But, if the allegations are true, do you still believe he should be president over George W. Bush? Do you have the courage to answer?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
NeoCons.:rofl Such sharp wit.:rofl
I've noticed thats rpm's usal little attempet at an insult these days...
"NeoCon"
No ex commie left wing new york jews here rpm...