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Full Story (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040804-063707-9711r)
Analysis: Rocking the battleground states
By Pat Nason
UPI Hollywood Reporter
Published 8/4/2004 9:21 PM
LOS ANGELES, Aug. 4 (UPI) -- Linda Ronstadt may have lost a singing gig for blending political expression with her music, but more than 20 top musical artists -- including Dave Matthews Band, the Dixie Chicks, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., Bruce Springsteen and John Mellencamp -- are planning to fan out in electoral battleground states in October for concerts intended to work against the re-election of President George W. Bush.
The tour, titled Vote for Change, will feature performances in nine states -- including Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio and Pennsylvania. The lineup of artists also includes Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, Keb' Mo' and James Taylor.
Organizers said all the artists were donating their services.
Although Springsteen has sung for most of his career about social problems and themes, it is rare -- if not unprecedented -- for him to lend his voice to so explicit a political cause as the unseating of a president. During his 2003 tour, he advised audiences to read Al Franken's best-selling book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" -- and even introduced Franken from the stage at Shea Stadium during the final stop of the tour.
"I felt like I couldn't have written the music I've written and been on stage singing about the things that I've sung about for the last 25 years and not taken part in this particular election," said Springsteen in a statement promoting the concert series.
3 more months! 3 more months! 3 more months!
:cool:
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Da Granny Tour of 2004, yeah baby.
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Democrats are desperate....They are going to crack after there loss...
Hanoi Kerry......U are Number 1 !
Who are they bringinig out next?????
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pfffffft
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blending political expression with her music
wasnt she inbetween songs when she made the comment. I hardly call that "Blending"
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Sad to see that. I have always bought Springsteens records and not downloaded them because I love his music and I want to support him.
Well, that just changed, not the loving his music part, but the reluctance to dl his songs as mp3s in the future.
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Proceeds from the tour go to America Coming Together, another liberal political action group.
"A vote for change is a vote for a stronger, safer, healthier America," Matthews said. "A vote for Bush is a vote for a divided, unstable, paranoid America."
Oxymoron.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort "A vote for Bush is a vote for a divided, unstable, paranoid America."
Oxymoron.
I agree.
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Think he shoulda picked Jane Fonda for his running mate, they are the perfect pair.
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SHOVE IT!
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Ahh, rock stars. Is there anything they DON'T know? :)
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Sad to see that. I have always bought Springsteens records and not downloaded them because I love his music and I want to support him.
Well, that just changed, not the loving his music part, but the reluctance to dl his songs as mp3s in the future.
ROFL..
Since he no longer supports the proper American Christian values of the Right I will steal his songs.. heh
nice Irony Richard.
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Originally posted by VOR
Ahh, rock stars. Is there anything they DON'T know? :)
lol.:D
The sad thing is how they could actually influence people with this stuff.
Are we gonna have "Bush Aid" now? Republicans "rocking" for Bush? Rock around the Bush?
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OK...., so will they promise, and I mean PROMISE to leave the country if President Bush wins.
Really... it's only fair..
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Originally posted by midnight Target
ROFL..
Since he no longer supports the proper American Christian values of the Right I will steal his songs.. heh
nice Irony Richard.
*shrug* since he decided to take a political stand, he will face the consequences of that stand. Im sure even you understand that. One of those consequences is that I will never spend a cent on his music again.
Suppose your favourite music artist, whoever that might be, came out openly as a KKK supporter. Would you keep buying their records?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Suppose your favourite music artist, whoever that might be, came out openly as a KKK supporter. Would you keep buying their records?
if you dont like/support theyr music anymore, is one thing, but
puting them on the same level as KKK supporters ?
Whats next, burn all theyr CD's ?
*shaking head*
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Originally posted by Hortlund
*shrug* since he decided to take a political stand, he will face the consequences of that stand. Im sure even you understand that. One of those consequences is that I will never spend a cent on his music again.
Suppose your favourite music artist, whoever that might be, came out openly as a KKK supporter. Would you keep buying their records?
I think the KKK and the Democratic Presidential Nominee are 2 entirely different things. But that's just me.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
*shrug* since he decided to take a political stand, he will face the consequences of that stand. Im sure even you understand that. One of those consequences is that I will never spend a cent on his music again.
Suppose your favourite music artist, whoever that might be, came out openly as a KKK supporter. Would you keep buying their records?
Nice try, but you're point was that you were no longer reluctant to dl his songs as mp3's.
Stick to your guns man. You made the point now defend it. Don't try spinning it into something else.
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has beens trying to prop up two wanna to be's
they should stick to what they are best at:
singing and drugs
same with hollyweird
but the average handsomehunkcrat needs "role models" as such
LOL
LANDSLIDE BUSH!
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Oh no that means the supermodels are next. It shouldn't be long before we will be suffering through their erudite political commentary.
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LoL You guys are great..
Hortlund you should burn your entire Bruce music collection! BURN IT!! Learn that dissident singer NOT to have an opinion! BURN THEM ALL Then, show your political disfavor and download all his music, even his new albums!
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"I've been in politics for over 20 years, and for over 20 years, I've had Barbara Streisand trying to do my job. And so I decided to try my hand at her job." —Sen. John McCain, in a Saturday Night Live sketch in which he sang ballads from his new album "McCain Sings Streisand"
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Nice try, but you're point was that you were no longer reluctant to dl his songs as mp3's.
Stick to your guns man. You made the point now defend it. Don't try spinning it into something else.
Eh? Im not defending my point when Im explaining why I made that decision? He openly took a political stand, I dont like it, I will never give him another cent. How hard is that for you to understand? What is there to explain?
And my question still stands. Suppose one of your favourite artists came out as a KKK supporter. Would you still give him your money?
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Nope, defend the stealing of his songs, based on his politics.
You said it.
Don't like his values... steal his songs. heheh
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Hortlund...do you still intend to d/l his songs? I wouldn't do either (buy or d/l), but not for politics.
If you REALLY hate his political stance it seems somewhat hypocritical to still listen to his music. Even if you stole it from the net.
I say "somehwhat" because his music is a different kettle of fish from his politics, nonetheless based upon how strong your political convictions are I would have assumed that what Bruce is doing would affect your desire to even hear him sing.
Not an attack at all, I'm just curious.
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About that KKK artist then MT?
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You first.
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Originally posted by Curval
Hortlund...do you still intend to d/l his songs? I wouldn't do either (buy or d/l), but not for politics.
If you REALLY hate his political stance it seems somewhat hypocritical to still listen to his music. Even if you stole it from the net.
I say "somehwhat" because his music is a different kettle of fish from his politics, nonetheless based upon how strong your political convictions are I would have assumed that what Bruce is doing would affect your desire to even hear him sing.
Not an attack at all, I'm just curious.
Nah, I love his songs. Some people find that strange because he is a working-class writer (in the text-sense I mean) and Im a neocon [insert omnious music].
Me on the other hand, I dont find it strange at all. I dont think anyone can capture an emotion in a textline the way he can. He is the Boss...nuff said. I have listened to Springsteen since I was 13-something, and I have all his records.
I have always known he has had his sympathies to the left. I can live with that. In fact I dont have a problem with that. Now he comes out and start campaigning for Kerry. I have a huge problem with that. One of the consequences of his support for Kerry is that I will never again give Springsteen a cent. And I can honestly say that I hope everyone else does the same.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You first.
What exactly is it you dont understand MT? Do I need to write it in block letters, or do you want me to draw a picture?
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Yes big block letters. Explain why it is OK to steal his songs now that he is supporting Kerry.
Go really big like THIS to make the hypocrisy stand out even more.
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Well, I don't understand this whole "boss" image he has....he ain't my boss.
Regardless, if I were MT I would be answering the KKK question by saying that in no way would I financially support the artist by buying his/her/their songs, but I'd go further and never want to hear him/her/them sing again. Ergo no downloading either.
I think this whole "Rock For Kerry" thing is stupid and a cheap way of trying to change opinion. We agree that politics and music are different, but in this case Bruce and the gang are bringing them together. I really don't like that, especially based upon the ease of which Americans can be fooled by such cheap trickery attempts.
No likey at all. It just re-enforces my opinion of the "boss".
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Yes big block letters. Explain why it is OK to steal his songs now that he is supporting Kerry.
Go really big like THISto make the hypocrisy stand out even more.
I have always known he has had his sympathies to the left. I can live with that. In fact I dont have a problem with that. Now he comes out and start campaigning for Kerry. I have a huge problem with that. One of the consequences of his support for Kerry is that I will never again give Springsteen a cent. And I can honestly say that I hope everyone else does the same.
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OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Chords for Change
By BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
Published: August 5, 2004
A nation's artists and musicians have a particular place in its social and political life. Over the years I've tried to think long and hard about what it means to be American: about the distinctive identity and position we have in the world, and how that position is best carried. I've tried to write songs that speak to our pride and criticize our failures.
These questions are at the heart of this election: who we are, what we stand for, why we fight. Personally, for the last 25 years I have always stayed one step away from partisan politics. Instead, I have been partisan about a set of ideals: economic justice, civil rights, a humane foreign policy, freedom and a decent life for all of our citizens. This year, however, for many of us the stakes have risen too high to sit this election out.
Through my work, I've always tried to ask hard questions. Why is it that the wealthiest nation in the world finds it so hard to keep its promise and faith with its weakest citizens? Why do we continue to find it so difficult to see beyond the veil of race? How do we conduct ourselves during difficult times without killing the things we hold dear? Why does the fulfillment of our promise as a people always seem to be just within grasp yet forever out of reach?
I don't think John Kerry and John Edwards have all the answers. I do believe they are sincerely interested in asking the right questions and working their way toward honest solutions. They understand that we need an administration that places a priority on fairness, curiosity, openness, humility, concern for all America's citizens, courage and faith.
People have different notions of these values, and they live them out in different ways. I've tried to sing about some of them in my songs. But I have my own ideas about what they mean, too. That is why I plan to join with many fellow artists, including the Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam, R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, Jurassic 5, James Taylor and Jackson Browne, in touring the country this October. We will be performing under the umbrella of a new group called Vote for Change. Our goal is to change the direction of the government and change the current administration come November.
Like many others, in the aftermath of 9/11, I felt the country's unity. I don't remember anything quite like it. I supported the decision to enter Afghanistan and I hoped that the seriousness of the times would bring forth strength, humility and wisdom in our leaders. Instead, we dived headlong into an unnecessary war in Iraq, offering up the lives of our young men and women under circumstances that are now discredited. We ran record deficits, while simultaneously cutting and squeezing services like afterschool programs. We granted tax cuts to the richest 1 percent (corporate bigwigs, well-to-do guitar players), increasing the division of wealth that threatens to destroy our social contract with one another and render mute the promise of "one nation indivisible."
It is through the truthful exercising of the best of human qualities - respect for others, honesty about ourselves, faith in our ideals - that we come to life in God's eyes. It is how our soul, as a nation and as individuals, is revealed. Our American government has strayed too far from American values. It is time to move forward. The country we carry in our hearts is waiting.
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Still dodging Hortlund. Not that I really expected you to admit your hypocrisy.
If I found out one of my favorite artists was a KKK member I would instinctively know that that was so incredibly different from supporting a Democrat or Republican Presidential candidate that I would immediately not make that analogy.
Now if I found out that say.... Jackson Browne turned conservative I would sill enjoy his music, and I would have no trouble buying his music.
You'll ignore this paragraph too, but here goes anyway. You stated that you would no longer be reluctant to DL Bruce's songs since he is supporting Kerry. Kerry's candidacy runs counter to your conservative values. Values like the sanctity of personal property, and personal responsibility. So you'll teach that Springsteen fella by stealing his songs. That'll show him he needs to have better values!
:rofl
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You'll ignore this paragraph too, but here goes anyway. You stated that you would no longer be reluctant to DL Bruce's songs since he is supporting Kerry. Kerry's candidacy runs counter to your conservative values. Values like the sanctity of personal property, and personal responsibility. So you'll teach that Springsteen fella by stealing his songs. That'll show him he needs to have better values!
Downloadning songs is not stealing. To steal something you would have to remove it from some other guys possession.
It might be copyright infringement, but from what I have understood so far, the jury is still out on it when it comes to downloading it for personal use only. Spreading is a no-no though.
You have not answered the question though MT. If you found out that one of your favourite artists came out as a KKK supporter, would you stop buying his records or not?
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Unlikely as hell, but I wouldn't buy or own such a person's music.
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Thank you!
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I hate it when celebrities use their popularity to help someones political agenda. Evn if it were for my canidate. However I WAS a huge Dave Matthews fan...I just sold my concert tickets cause I will no longer give money to him because of this.