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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Torque on March 14, 2000, 06:19:00 PM
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I told HT I would post this message here asking you all to try a test to determine if the FE shuddering/hesitation is caused by the monitor refresh rate.
My monitor is old and can only pump up to 60hz.
People with new machines: could you test your monitor at a lower refresh rate and see if the FE shudders/hesitates. Try this: Level flight with terrian visible, do barrel rolls and see if you get any shuddering or hesitation. Try also firing guns at the same time and let us know what happens.
Thx. (http://members.home.net/torqss/torque2.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 03-15-2000).]
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So disabling the modem window in your control box didn't fix this problem for you torque?
AKDejaVu
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I'm cable modem so i don't have a modem icon there AKDejaVu. Thx anyhow.
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I'll try it out as soon as I get home.
-Westy
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will do that too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) as soon as i get home.
maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
[This message has been edited by maik (edited 03-15-2000).]
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Originally posted by Torque:
People with new machines: could you test your monitor at a lower refresh rate and see if the FE shudders/hesitates. Try this: Level flight with terrian visible, do barrel rolls and see if you get any shuddering or hesitation. Try also firing guns at the same time and let us know what happens.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 03-14-2000).]
I'll give it a try tonight.
Have you checked and made sure that "findfast" is not running? Findfast lags HD's big time and should never be ran. I can reproduce this problem everytime if I load findfast.
Mox
The Wrecking Crew
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Torque;
I seem very smooth all the time. Sorry Bud, no clue. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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i get the screen stutter and screen freeze when i vulch as well. as i dive and shoot every thing is ok til the plane explodes then the screen freezes for just a second and inevitabley i auger even though i have the joystick pulled back. this happened 2 times the other day.
one thing i must admitt my computer isn't performing like it should for some reason.
the other simms i have run flawlessly with hi fps.
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Torque,
FWIW, I had a situation where the terrain *pulse paused* at a rate of two to three pulses per second. Thes pauses were almost unoticable until I noticed them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I also had a situation where firing the P38 guns caused a micro freeze.
Coupled with these was the fact that my HD was being accessed EVERY TIME an Icon painted
(imagine 15 to 20 icons painting at the same time).
I recently installed the the latest Nvidia TNT drivers over my Asus TNT drivers. All was well until v1.1 then everythng started deteriorating.
I recently re-installed the Asus drivers and all these problems stopped.
Yeager
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Yep Chuck I've done all that but the problem is still persisting. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Hmmm Torque i have a very old Hitachi 20" Monitor CM1473ME (up to 80Hz max refreshrate tho).. i'm running a Voodooł 3000 AGP and a Celeron 466, 128MB RAM
I tried with the lowest refreshrate i could set (60 Hz) and didn't see any effect like this flying barrel rolls over the airfield with clutter (sheeps) visible) while shooting in F4U.
I have had owever something similar after having had a graphic memory overflow (?) in Brand W but that was resetable.
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Phillip "Duckwing6" Artweger
Flight Officer "E" Flight
Skeleton Crew (http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/oneshot/main.htm)
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What Yeager discribed,... the "Pulse pause", is something I've experienced before, and both times I experienced it, I was in a diving barrel roll, firing guns at same time. Only lasted for a split second, and it's only happened twice to me.
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Thx for info.
I had nice smooth motion before, just after that last patch my Fe started to do the shudder.Especially now during close explosions my FE does micro freezes and before it was smooth.Nothing was changed on my puter before or after that patch.
I've tried with no engine sound, damper on full for roll, still the apparent shudder.
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Testing engineering software is my business, I can tell you one thing, if it's not repeatable, but it's present, (some get it, some don't), then, when you build on that software, eventually the bug starts to surface and eventually becomes consistant and repeatable. So if it's a bug, it will raise it's ugly head for ALL to see eventually.
Cya's up !
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Ripsnort(-rip1-)
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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"Some people are only alive because it is illegal to shoot them."
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-15-2000).]
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Tested it last night.
Screen Res 1152 x 864
on a Voodoo 3/3000 AGP, pII-300
SBlive player
128 mb
Screen Res 60Hz, Was OK only light shuddering.
Screen Res 75Hz, Bad shuddering
Screen Res 85Hz, OK, only VERY light no shuddering.
I was flying offline, a 109g10 from field 1, got to deck an did several Barrel Rolls and som vertical maneuvers.
Framerate showed always around 40, no differences on different Res. Settings.
Groundclutters were off.
Maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
[This message has been edited by maik (edited 03-16-2000).]
[This message has been edited by maik (edited 03-17-2000).]
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I didn't see anything unusual at all.
The only time I get any 'stutter' is in the P-38 and I move left or right in the cockpit to see around the nose better. Then I see my view move in quick but small steps or lurches. I figure it's the props and thier spinners eating up the FPS but the FPS doesn't lower. Odd. And that happens in any refresh rate.
-Westy
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Torque what plane were you flying when we ran those test? Also can you see much difference between the 38 and the f4?
HiTech
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Torque, I tested 60 hertz and it worked fine on my monitor.
Tested: barrel rolls in a Hog at 60hertz on a Sony Trinitron 21inch monitor. I can get the model number if you want it.
Mox
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Torque,
Every time I do a barrel roll the monitor falls on the floor.
JagdNine
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[This message has been edited by NineZ (edited 03-16-2000).]
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HT, originally it was F4Uc, after your post i flew them all. The P38 shudder was just a bit more apparent than the other ACs. I guess my puter just falling behind the times.
BTW HT is there anyway I can get the version just before patch 2 to check.Maybe it's just me getting finicky.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 03-16-2000).]
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Hunh.
Everytime I do a barrel roll the cat falls on the floor.
It's an orange cat; no model number available. The floor is hardwood. The cat produces a satisfying thump when parameters are correct.
Will continue to test till the cat shudders.
Hang
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 03-16-2000).]
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You mean this kitty Hangtime. (http://members.home.net/torqss/Kitty4.jpg)
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Interesting .... I tried the test with the refresh rate and nothing changed. However, I was flying last night and out of nowhere during a barrel roll it started to shutter .. it got worse when I started to fire, to the point where I couldn't fly. I augered into the ground of course and then logged (closed) AH. I ran a vbs script that I read somewhere to free up available memory ...
--freemem.vbs
FreeMem=Space(24000000)
-- end script
Then restarted AH. Started dogfighting again and no stutter or anything. Could there be a possible memory leak somewhere? I only get the stuttering every once in a while ... it is not consistent.
-Sn1p3r
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