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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CurtissP-6EHawk on August 05, 2004, 12:53:53 PM
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I wanted to ask those of you that do not fly in the CT.....why? All I am asking is for a simple explination. Maybe also what it would take to get you to fly in the CT if some things could be changed like:
1. Radar Range
2. Icon Range
3. Planes
4. Maps
5. Trash Talk
6. ??????
Thanks,
Hawk
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when TOD hits the floor CT is gone
which will be awhile;)
ok for real i like the MA not just for furball but to win a War some thing that is disliked in the CT
but i would join if you had some people anyway which you dont have
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About 100+ players at MOST times and players joining the side with lower numbers upon entering. Period.
I flew there other day for the heck of it. Was headed out because the MA was a joke. Joined the low # side was 21 : 10. Grabbed a SpitV, my plane of choice (it appeared all planes were available for some reason).
Head for the coast at 5k, get jumped by numerous 51s, zekes, 109s, etc.. (all high-alt heros). Fend off a few, get a kill or 2 and then have one 51 pileit running from me, after the usual sad boor-n-z attempts anytime I was engaged.
In the meantime his buddies reup in 51s and they tag team me until they get the kill. One of the 51 pilets calls me a dweeb for flying a 'sissyfire' for the "Axis" side. LOL .. boy now there's some real action and (superior pilets). Needless to say I logged off to play another game.
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i dont fly the CT because i hate (and i use the word hate here in the worst possible way) reduced icons, and there are a select few planes i like to fly.
190d9
109f4
110g2
i really dislike flying the 110c4b, the 109e, the 190f8
the 190a5 is ok every now and then just to trick a pony into thinking im a dora that cant turn.
there is none of that in the CT... if 190a5's are allowed the enemy knows this.. all you can be in is an A5 not an A8 or a D9 or whatever.
since we dont have the huge ammount of planes that WWII had we have to limit the planeset. if we had modeled the 190a2 a3 a4, and so on, there could be more "fun" in the dogfights.
another thing is a compare the CT to a never ending event in the SEA. i generally dont like those either. fly for an hour looking for a fight, then be suprised by bad intel about the altitude of the enemy, get shot down and you are out. there goes approx 3 hours of my night. not a fun use of time.
yes i like the "gameyness" of the MA, but crossed with the "reality" of events i guess.
there are tooooo many things we can not model in the game like radar operators, full field of view spectrum, so on and so on... because we cant do it like the real war, why do it half baked is sort of my thinking. i dont mean that in a rude way, but i see no real answer to the problems.
like radar (to bring it up again) we have dot dar to simulate a radar operator relaying position of possible enemies. CT "realists" want to get rid of all radar. well then where do you fly? if i am in a game (very important aspect here game) and i want to attack you, where do i go?
do i follow the historically accurate place, knowing full well you knwo im going there? not in a million years. i want my mission to be sucessful, so i go somewhere strategically insignificant (beacuse there is no real lives or anything on the line).
since pushing the virtual front has no real significance in reward/punishment other than my own thoughts, why "play" like that?
yes this is what AHII TOD will be offering, from what i gather. the difference is there WILL be rewards, and punishment to your actions. then flying in a "historically accurate" way will be worth it, and meaningful. until then sadly it's just not my cup of tea.
dont get me totally wrong, i do some of these things occasionally for a change of pace (maybe 1-2 times a month for a hour or 2) it's just not .. well read above LOL.
one last thought on the CT. i mentioned above the planes i personally like to fly. partly becuase of the squad im in (we fly only german planes). i really dislike flying ijn/raf/usa/russian planes, so that really limits my options in the CT even more.
yeah sometimes i want to "dweeb out" and fly nothing by spit9's and lala's, but thats what our squad "dweeb week" is for. 1 week every 3 months we open the plane set. other than that flying a non german plane intentionally is grounds for ejection from the squad. i wouldn't be representing my CO (a real life friend) and squadmates by flying "whatever" in the CT.
im sorry this is rambling, and incoherent, i hope you read it all and make sence of it...
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I flew for 2 hours in the CT last night. Was fun to start with but soon the other side was down to 2 players. I dont feel like jumping ship everytime the sides are uneven. I want a sense of loyalty at any arena I play in.
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#6....Need more players in the arena.
#7....Need a balanced ammount of pilots.
#9....Advertised special nights in the CT to draw pilots in for a
taste of what CT is about...IE Sundays...Let rooks horde
alone!
There is alot of good going on in the CT problem is there isnt alot of instant action for players to want to make the change. I will keep making my way in there nightly until the numbers in the MA stabilize, or I start enjoying the CT better than the MA.
RHIN0
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Originally posted by DipStick
About 100+ players at MOST times and players joining the side with lower numbers upon entering. Period.
I flew there other day for the heck of it. Was headed out because the MA was a joke. Joined the low # side was 21 : 10. Grabbed a SpitV, my plane of choice (it appeared all planes were available for some reason).
Head for the coast at 5k, get jumped by numerous 51s, zekes, 109s, etc.. (all high-alt heros). Fend off a few, get a kill or 2 and then have one 51 pileit running from me, after the usual sad boor-n-z attempts anytime I was engaged.
In the meantime his buddies reup in 51s and they tag team me until they get the kill. One of the 51 pilets calls me a dweeb for flying a 'sissyfire' for the "Axis" side. LOL .. boy now there's some real action and (superior pilets). Needless to say I logged off to play another game.
That almost mirrors my last experience in the CT. It was nothing more that a smaller verison of the MA as far as I was concerned.
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Fix the radar and icon ranges, and you'll probably see at least a small increase in the numbers. The CT has far fewer people in it than the MA, but sometimes it seems that the fights are twice as difficult to find. Why? It's faux realism for its own sake IMO. Make it a microcosm of the MA; MA settings but with interesting new maps and historical plane setups every week. I'd go for that.
You also have to overcome the collective action problem where players like flying against lots of other players. Since the CT never seems capable of fielding enough players, few want to fly there. As such, the numbers remain low and perpetuate the fact that nobody wants to go there. I'm not sure how you're going to overcome that one by tweaking arena settings.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Alternate plan is to get someone to trip over the MA's cable once or twice a night.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Alternate plan is to get someone to trip over the MA's cable once or twice a night.
J00 AR3 T3H SMART!!!!1
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Good question Curtiss.
1st off I am going to assume (knowing the risk of doing that) that there was something wrong with the CT and having all planes available to both sides here. What Dipstick describes is anethma to much of what I like about the CT.
I prefer the CT in almost all aspects more than the MA except for one and that is the number of targets/friends in the arena. I think that if you could solve that one you'd have a winner. I also agree that when TOD gets released it will largely obviate the need for a CT.
I am not so naive as to think that I am in line with the majority opinion on the CT being better than the MA as far as arena settings go and all that, but let me explain just a few of my reasons.
1.) You almost never hear the "quit running and fight" stuff in there. Why? Because the aircraft in the setup are pretty evenly matched (unless you are there on jet-week), particularly so when compared to the MA. You simply do not have to didge your 1944-45 B&Zers when you are flying in a 1941-42 aircraft.
2.) Partially becasue of the above point, I see more good " dogfights" in one night of CT flying than I usually do in a week of MA flying. Evenly matched planes are conducive to that.
3.) I prefer reduced icon range. Have you ever looked at a car at 1 mile away and tried to tell if it was blue or black or grey much less what the make and model was? How about 3 miles away? Have you ever been to the airport and tried to tell the difference between a twin engine plane and a single from more than a mile away? I'm not advocating removing icons just those at extreme ranges. You can still see dots at extreme range, you just cannot tell what model of aircraft is closing at what rate until they get closer.
4.) Radar too, whenever my country loses dar (a nightly occurence lately) I find I spend more time scanning the sky than trash talking on ch200. I know some will say just turn off icons or turn off dar but I am after increased realism here not unfair advantages for my enemy.
5.) Trash talking is definitely less in the CT. I think one reason is because of all the points above. Folks are not feeling the frustration of trying to fight a P51 with a Hurri or a Dora with a P40. Folks are busy scanning for incoming enemies and don't spend the whole climbout talkin smack while letting the dot-dar tell them if a con is close or not. The overall level of trash talking might increase if the CT ever posted significant numbers but for now it is generally pleasant and cordial. On a per capita basis there are MANY more salutes given, partly becasue most kills are earned not cherried.
6.) I like flying a wide variety of planes, and there are many I'd like to try to learn better but unfoirtunately many of the ones I want to try to learn are simply dead meat in the MA.
I want to encourage anyone who has not given the CT a serious try to do so. Particularly when the MA has no dar or your side is getting banged by a horde. But to answer the original question there's only one thing that will make me fly the CT more and thats the number of players in the CT, a nasty catch-22 I realize, but its the truth.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
3.) I prefer reduced icon range. Have you ever looked at a car at 1 mile away and tried to tell if it was blue or black or grey much less what the make and model was? How about 3 miles away? Have you ever been to the airport and tried to tell the difference between a twin engine plane and a single from more than a mile away? I'm not advocating removing icons just those at extreme ranges. You can still see dots at extreme range, you just cannot tell what model of aircraft is closing at what rate until they get closer.
It sounds to me like you need glasses, or new glasses if you already have them.
The color of an automobile (much smaller than even the smallest WWII fighter) is easy to see at a mile.
Telling a twin engined aircraft from a single engined aircraft at two miles doesn't even require concentration. It is simply casual data.
More to the point, I can tell if a single engined aircraft at three or four miles is getting closer or farther away whereas in AH I cannot without the icons.
I do agree that more graduated information would be better.
As to the question.
I hate dot chasing.
The radar in AH is greatly more reliable than WWII radar, but provides significantly less data at shorter ranges. It is in fact so flawed as to make a BoB scenario using it pointless and you might as well hand the Germans the victory.
The stealth 4AM land grabs where the Lufties then declare Sea Lion a sucess is annoying BS as the RAF is never equiped with aircraft capable of retaking any ground.
Being vulched because few people ever seems to want to play the Japanese, but rather wants to recreate "The Marianas Turkey Shoot" feels lie the MA. If the Japanese do get equal numbers and put up a fight we are then treated to a long whine about how the Japanese have it too easy in the CT Forum and how Japanese aircraft really sucked.
Many of the setups are very odd in their choice of aircraft. Freely available Fw190D-9s (700 built) and Bf109G-10 (really a Bf109K-4 and relatively few built) completely eliminates any historical immersion.
Spitfire hatred. How can you have an arena that claims to be historical matches and then do everthing possible to avoind putting the Spitfire in setups where it was? The same can be said for the F4U.
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Alternate plan is to get someone to trip over the MA's cable once or twice a night.
No need to pull the plug...just limit the # of players to 400 in the MA. Overflow will fall into the CT and maybe attract new players.
RHIN0
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Originally posted by Karnak
I hate dot chasing.
that pretty much sums up 1/2 my post LMAO... i need to be more concise and simple when i post LOL
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I've never flown in the CT, for the simple reason that anytime I've looked it's had 20 pilots or less. Last time I looked was an evening when knights were outnumered 2-1 by rooks, had 5 fields all vulched etc., so I thought I'd try the CT and there were 3, thats right 3 pilots up.
--Peregrine.
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9pm central time. Drop on in. If things ain't porked there's a party planned. 262s (at one base perked @ 75). 190a5s as well as most of the late war Luftwaffe rides (for those who prefer non jets). Both ponies, all the Jugs, the dirty ape and the Hog D as well as Fortresses and Marauders inbound to wreak havoc.
The CT banner links to a site with the details. This one:
http://www.jollyrogers.info/Combat_Theater.html
Edited: Whoops - thought the Jets were free - nm. Tigers cost 25.
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Originally posted by DipStick
About 100+ players at MOST times and players joining the side with lower numbers upon entering. Period.
I flew there other day for the heck of it. Was headed out because the MA was a joke. Joined the low # side was 21 : 10. Grabbed a SpitV, my plane of choice (it appeared all planes were available for some reason).
Head for the coast at 5k, get jumped by numerous 51s, zekes, 109s, etc.. (all high-alt heros). Fend off a few, get a kill or 2 and then have one 51 pileit running from me, after the usual sad boor-n-z attempts anytime I was engaged.
In the meantime his buddies reup in 51s and they tag team me until they get the kill. One of the 51 pilets calls me a dweeb for flying a 'sissyfire' for the "Axis" side. LOL .. boy now there's some real action and (superior pilets). Needless to say I logged off to play another game.
Musta been the Egypt map
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i hated that spit vs. spit.
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Originally posted by kevykev56
I flew for 2 hours in the CT last night. Was fun to start with but soon the other side was down to 2 players. I dont feel like jumping ship everytime the sides are uneven. I want a sense of loyalty at any arena I play in.
answer
#6....Need more players in the arena.
#7....Need a balanced ammount of pilots.
#9....Advertised special nights in the CT to draw pilots in for a
taste of what CT is about...IE Sundays...Let rooks horde
alone!
There is alot of good going on in the CT problem is there isnt alot of instant action for players to want to make the change. I will keep making my way in there nightly until the numbers in the MA stabilize, or I start enjoying the CT better than the MA.
RHIN0
LARGE MISSION TONIGHT. ALLIES WILL BE ATTACKING. 2200 eastern tonight.
RHINO, I saw you in there last night. That was my squadron making rocket runs on the Vbases. Although it was only two of us, it wasnt sqaud night.
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What I don't like is to be flying with a person one min then getting killed by the same person 5 min later because they jumped sides and know exactly what/where you are going or doing...like you are in a goon headed to capture a base.....out of the blue a con finds you only to see that text when you are killed is a person that was on your side 5 min ago....BS I tell ya!
Or your CV is now under attack because they up on your side note all of the CV locations then switch and go bomb em.....BS I tell ya.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
That almost mirrors my last experience in the CT. It was nothing more that a smaller verison of the MA as far as I was concerned.
Slapshot, that sounded like the Egypt map Egypt vs Isreal. One of those post war maps with mixed planes.
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Originally posted by Karnak
It sounds to me like you need glasses, or new glasses if you already have them.
The color of an automobile (much smaller than even the smallest WWII fighter) is easy to see at a mile.
Telling a twin engined aircraft from a single engined aircraft at two miles doesn't even require concentration. It is simply casual data.
More to the point, I can tell if a single engined aircraft at three or four miles is getting closer or farther away whereas in AH I cannot without the icons.
I do agree that more graduated information would be better.
As to the question.
I hate dot chasing.
The radar in AH is greatly more reliable than WWII radar, but provides significantly less data at shorter ranges. It is in fact so flawed as to make a BoB scenario using it pointless and you might as well hand the Germans the victory.
The stealth 4AM land grabs where the Lufties then declare Sea Lion a sucess is annoying BS as the RAF is never equiped with aircraft capable of retaking any ground.
Being vulched because few people ever seems to want to play the Japanese, but rather wants to recreate "The Marianas Turkey Shoot" feels lie the MA. If the Japanese do get equal numbers and put up a fight we are then treated to a long whine about how the Japanese have it too easy in the CT Forum and how Japanese aircraft really sucked.
Many of the setups are very odd in their choice of aircraft. Freely available Fw190D-9s (700 built) and Bf109G-10 (really a Bf109K-4 and relatively few built) completely eliminates any historical immersion.
Spitfire hatred. How can you have an arena that claims to be historical matches and then do everthing possible to avoind putting the Spitfire in setups where it was? The same can be said for the F4U.
Karnak I must disagree with you. The color of a car is not easy to see at a mile. I fly for a living and most of the time you cant see an airplane at two miles, much less tell what kind it is unless it is an air carrier. If spottong planes were easy, we wouldnt have ATC in "congested" areas. Oh, the Blimps are easy to see at a distance but thats beside the point. In the summer time visability drops to three miles around here. Average 7 miles and thick haze. I asure you identifing aircraft is not easy more than three miles away, telling what kind they are is nearly imposable. However, the closer rate is hard in AH than in RL. If you are one of those pilots that gets to climb up to 8k and turn on the autopilot and were the air is clear and ATC tells you were the trafic is, then yes, you can ID more at a distance. I can see the space shuttle from Columbus, Ga as it passes through 25-30k over tha cape. Columbus, Ga is halfway up the state on the Alabama line. Visabilty is always better up high (simply stated).
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I didn't say "easy to spot". I was referring to once you had spotted it.
I do agree that the icons over compensate.
I would like to see a better system, but that is for another thread.
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Originally posted by koda76
What I don't like is to be flying with a person one min then getting killed by the same person 5 min later because they jumped sides and know exactly what/where you are going or doing...like you are in a goon headed to capture a base.....out of the blue a con finds you only to see that text when you are killed is a person that was on your side 5 min ago....BS I tell ya!
Or your CV is now under attack because they up on your side note all of the CV locations then switch and go bomb em.....BS I tell ya.
Sorry you feel that way. The ability to change countries either immediately or within a short period of time is more of a pro than a con in a low population arena that has several pilots willing to switch to maintain parity.
Truth be told, you'll find more of this type of stuff generally happening in the MA. Time limit can't stop it. At any given moment in the MA there are hundreds of pilots that can switch countries. Not being able to switch back for a period of time isn't considered a hindrance by all of them. They can join missions and send private messages. "Escort" your goon and send private messages. Take command of a fleet, keep it straight and steady and vector in enemy bombers. Why? It's their brand of fun. Maybe even it's something their squad assigns them to do.
"Today, Fred, it's your turn to go undercover and provide intel."
"Yes, sir!"
Here's something else to ponder. Don't broadcast your goon position on the country channel. That's askin' for it. If someone asks for your position and you don't know them, don't give it. If someone escorting you suddenly disappears, consider changing course or aborting.
Fleet position? Good luck there. They WILL be found. Best thing is to not beach them unless you have a large number of players ready to commit to a beach landing. Defending fleets is alot of fun even if a landing isn't currently happening. I don't worry about losing a fleet unless there's a landing in progress or it's port is under attack or destroyed OR it's a CT setup and that fleet is the only place for me to up my fav ride from.
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Good questions, Hawk. I'd like to fly in the CT more, but.. the Euro prime time, if it's 3 players in the CT vs 200 in MA... Well, some setups (at least in AH1) were a bit more popular so they were flyable (FinRus sort of comes to mind.. ;))
Well, once we get the summer over here in Finland we'll try to get our squad nights back on track so we'll at least fight each other, perhaps even persuade some other folks to join the fun.
So this to all Eurotime flyers (2pm-6pm ET, 7pm-11pm GMT, 20-24 CET, you get the point.. and all Finnish dudes!), come fly the CT - historical setups, limited planesets and fun fights! Come rewrite the history and enjoy the game! ;)
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panzzer and his ubber finnpekele.:D
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yeah i`m pretty green at AH and don`t always recognize all the acronyms tossed around in here,figured out what TOD was but haven`t read or seen anything official on the subject.. (maybe by diigging thru the archives i would but haven`t)...anyhow i dropped into CT a couple nites ago and rather enjoyed time i spent there.
I agree to an extent that it was similar to the MA, but thot that the plane match up a much more realistic scenario that i find in the MA..I suppose that why it was started in the first place huh?
I found flying in darkness a hoot..only thing was missing was a few spotlights firing up in search of intruders...long story short i plan on returning to CT and making a nuisance of myself while quaffing down a few rootbeers in the very near future...
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CT=MA-P-PS=0
ct is the ma with 2 sides that can switch at any time with usualy the most boring scenario of the war. and the planes to go with it.
what i think would make the CT more of a draw is this.
3 teams... no switching for 20 mins..plane set switching every 2 hours according to the 6 years of the war( yes 6 years..not just pacific bordom theater)...
but alas i think it will never take off, how many year has it been going now?
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Your ideas won't work because they are biased and not well thought out.
3 teams. No. CT is setup to have traditional opponents. A third team ends up a rogue spoiler.
No switching for 20 minutes. Bad idea. In 20 minutes time you can have as many players log on and back off because they saw the roster read 20:4 and thought they'd either be joining a horde or simply making the odds 20:5. Whereas if the switch is kept to five minutes or less they may actually see things balance before they log in disgust.
Planeset rotating every 2 hours. I think you better get with the CT staff and HTC to discuss how practical that is. ;)
About your comment on Pacific setups. Until there's 2 CTs that are permanently rooted in European and Pacific setups, it behooves us all to show a bit of tolerance to other players preferences. If you can't, then yes, the CT isn't for you. :aok
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there is none of that in the CT... if 190a5's are allowed the enemy knows this.. all you can be in is an A5 not an A8 or a D9 or whatever.
Your missing out this week. Stop by tonight around 10pm est. You may like it.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Karnak I must disagree with you. The color of a car is not easy to see at a mile. I fly for a living and most of the time you cant see an airplane at two miles, much less tell what kind it is unless it is an air carrier. If spottong planes were easy, we wouldnt have ATC in "congested" areas. Oh, the Blimps are easy to see at a distance but thats beside the point. In the summer time visability drops to three miles around here. Average 7 miles and thick haze. I asure you identifing aircraft is not easy more than three miles away, telling what kind they are is nearly imposable. However, the closer rate is hard in AH than in RL. If you are one of those pilots that gets to climb up to 8k and turn on the autopilot and were the air is clear and ATC tells you were the trafic is, then yes, you can ID more at a distance. I can see the space shuttle from Columbus, Ga as it passes through 25-30k over tha cape. Columbus, Ga is halfway up the state on the Alabama line. Visabilty is always better up high (simply stated).
What you are saying about real life is quite true. What the CT folks don't want to understand is that most folks play to have fun and, realistic or not, chasing dots around the sky isn't fun. Don't misunderstand, I had a number of fun fights in the CT. BUT, between the flaky radar setup and short range icons, I had a lot more "chase the dot" flights.
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damn near every time I try out Ct...there are like 15 people (which is OK), but most are at 20kor better tryin to make DAMN sure they have comfortable 5-10k cushion to b&Z ya to death (which is NOT ok) They want KILLS, not FIGHTS...more fun putting sharp stick in eye
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
What you are saying about real life is quite true. What the CT folks don't want to understand is that most folks play to have fun and, realistic or not, chasing dots around the sky isn't fun. Don't misunderstand, I had a number of fun fights in the CT. BUT, between the flaky radar setup and short range icons, I had a lot more "chase the dot" flights.
Hawk rule number 1; Never chase a dot more than 60 seconds.
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Originally posted by bj229r
damn near every time I try out Ct...there are like 15 people (which is OK), but most are at 20kor better tryin to make DAMN sure they have comfortable 5-10k cushion to b&Z ya to death (which is NOT ok) They want KILLS, not FIGHTS...more fun putting sharp stick in eye
Thats basicly what we do, Fight not furball. Wanna furball, the DA is an excellent arena for that.
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Originally posted by bj229r
damn near every time I try out Ct...there are like 15 people (which is OK), but most are at 20kor better tryin to make DAMN sure they have comfortable 5-10k cushion to b&Z ya to death (which is NOT ok) They want KILLS, not FIGHTS...more fun putting sharp stick in eye
Timing is everything. The CT mission/event had approximately 60 participants tonight. Engagements ranged from 25k to 1k off the deck. The Allies came in with B-17s and B-26s escorted by mainly P-51Ds and some P-38s. Axis defended with Doras, 109G10s and 190A8s. The Allies had a slight glitch on their initial takeoff when all of the drones mutinied. The P-51 main body seemed to switch roles from escort to diversion at that point. Unfortunately Axis groups scouting East located the bombers with virtually no escort. The bombers were shredded (but not without loss to the Axis). The target bases took some damage from rogue units upping South East.
This time it appears that the Axis came out of it better. May not be so lucky next time.
And the good thing about the CT? Theoretically speaking, we can run these "mini-events" whenever we want.
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Ah, the age old icon thing again?
Curtis P-6E, if you can't ID planes at 2 miles, then there's something wrong. Well, unless you mean something like you can't tell a 152 from a 172 at two miles....that I can understand. But what about, say, telling apart two distinctly different airplanes from two miles? I can certainly tell a Beech Bonanza from the aforementioned Cessnas at two miles! Do you not think you could tell a FW-190 from an Me-109 at two miles?
Planes can indeed be tough to SPOT sometimes; it's funny how they can seemingly hide in thin air. But once I find them, I seldom find it difficult to identify them--or at least identify their general archtype (eg high-wing single-engine light monoplane). Spotting planes is something which comes with practice; hollywood-style nonstop panning just doesn't cut it. I find that I need to pick an area and LOOK, then move on. This is something flightsims don't really model--and it has nothing to do with ICONS.
I am amazed at your "can barely tell car color at a mile" comment, unless you live in some REALLY polluted city or somewhere with a severe haze problem. I can EASILY pick out car colors on a highway overpass at a distance of 4 miles as long as the light is right. And as you certainly know, visibility at ground level is reduced over even what you can see at 5K AGL. What is wrong with the area you live/work in that your vision is so horribly restricted? I can do that and I have 20/40 vision! I live in rural Ohio....best place in the country for the 5 months of the year it's actually nice (and a cold grey slushy hell for the rest of the year, hehe).
Of course if the light WASN'T right all you'd see was the sunlight glare off the windows but such is life. Flightsims don't and can't model such nuances yet. I'm not so sure it'd be all that much fun if they did.
Flightsims are a funny thing. The "dot" you see at 10 miles distance in a flightsim is WAY easier to pick out against the background than a real airplane at 10 miles (there's no "hiding in the sky" on a computer screen); yet even at 500 yards your vision in a flightsim is worse than 20/200 due to resolution limitations and screen size--so bad that flying a PC is akin to flying legally blind! Isn't it wierd that computer tech makes you an eagle eye at 10 miles, but blind at one mile?
In other words there is NO perfect compromise. Having NO icons is just as unrealistic as having them, just in different ways. It boils down to a matter of preference. At 6K yards (3.4 miles)--MAX ICON range in AH--a reasonable person could tell something like a P-47 from a Me-109, but probably couldn't tell a 109 from a Spitfire. Like I said....it's a choice between which compromise you want to make. Neither choice is entirely accurate.
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As for why I don't fly much in the CT (the ICON thing doesn't actually affect my CT attendance) :
Low population
Lack of P-51D
No desire to re-live or re-create events of 60 years ago....the past is the past.
Reasons I WILL occasionally fly in CT:
Lack of good fights in MA
Night/Dusk in MA
Other events in MA which make it un-fun.
Not that I think the MA is the greatest thing ever (I view it as pretty flawed conceptually actually), but the CT in its current form just doesn't interest me. It never has.
J_A_B
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ARLO i comend you for you unswerving support for the CT, but alas people vote with their feet( mouse cick in this case)..it just aint fun...
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Originally posted by peregrin
I've never flown in the CT, for the simple reason that anytime I've looked it's had 20 pilots or less. Last time I looked was an evening when knights were outnumered 2-1 by rooks, had 5 fields all vulched etc., so I thought I'd try the CT and there were 3, thats right 3 pilots up.
last night when I logged in there were 67 in the CT. Later I checked and it was into the 70s. I'm not saying that is normal but it does make for some fun fights.
It sounds to me like you need glasses, or new glasses if you already have them.
The color of an automobile (much smaller than even the smallest WWII fighter) is easy to see at a mile.
Telling a twin engined aircraft from a single engined aircraft at two miles doesn't even require concentration. It is simply casual data.
More to the point, I can tell if a single engined aircraft at three or four miles is getting closer or farther away whereas in AH I cannot without the icons.
I do agree that more graduated information would be better.
I'm not trying to be snide or attack you in any way but...
I used to have 20-10 vision, now that I'm a month away from 40 it is down to 20-15. In other words I do not need glasses. With all respect, I think you need to better understand just how far away a mile really is, you are not thinking of a Kilometer are you? A passenger car at one mile is perhaps larger than the "fuzzy dot" in AH2. But at two miles it is just that, a single pixel blob. Try it on the interstate sometime, use those mile markers. At three miles you cannot even see the car. I'll grant that most of the planes in AH are considerably larger than a passenger car, when you take wingspan and fuselage length. But at extreme range the wings and the fuse become awfully "thin" compared to the "fatness" of a car. In fact an F250 is roughly as "fat" as a P47's fuselage, and they didn't make any fighters bigger than that in WWII. The Bf109 was downright tiny compared to it.
At least the F250's I see around here that are 8-10 feet high at the cab :D
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
ARLO i comend you for you unswerving support for the CT, but alas people vote with their feet( mouse cick in this case)..it just aint fun...
Selector, it's a matter of opinion and sometimes that opinion is arrived at too hastily and though assumption.
This club's full and that club's not. This club's fun, that club's not. :D
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CT is alot of fun. It puts all the guys who want to fly in an organized flight (which doesnt always happen in MA) together to fly a big mission. It doesnt matter if we "Get the goon in!" Its not about capturing bases as quick as you can..its about the mission.
Thats the reason I play this game.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Thats basicly what we do, Fight not furball. Wanna furball, the DA is an excellent arena for that.
..er...we furball, too. Something for everyone. Because the numbers are lower, we tend to have frequent 1v1 or 2v1 fights, which are a lot of fun.
- oldman
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Originally posted by J_A_B
In other words there is NO perfect compromise. Having NO icons is just as unrealistic as having them, just in different ways. It boils down to a matter of preference.
While we may disagree on many of the other things you said, on this we are in 100% agreement. I also realize that my icon preference is in the minority and accept that fully.
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Interesting thread, with especially interesting posts from JB73 and Edbert. When I get some time to play again, I'm going back to the CT. I liked the (relatively) realistic matchups - one was F6F v N1K - that was good. Another match was P47 & Hurr2 v 109F & 190A5 - that was OK too. Much better camaraderie in there. Lots of
, and I don't mind being shot down by ScatSr/ScatJr. Some of the matchups were not so good - 109G6 v SpitV, especially as that was AH1 and the SpitV could make 800yd laser shots - all a thing of the past now. (SpitV v 109F4 would have been better match)
Originally posted by DipStick
'sissyfire'
:lol
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Kinda funny thread. Guy asks why folks don't fly the CT. Folks reply with their reasons. Guy says their reasoning is just wrong.
:lol
Visual cues? Jeez, hasn't this been beaten to death?
No? Here, two old threads that show you what's wrong in the game compared to real life... some pictures may be gone now though.
Test Questions on visual "Realism" (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25522&highlight=visual)
"Visual Realism", Part Deux (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24575&highlight=visual)
Anyway, keep asking for suggestions on making the CT more popular and then tell the suggesters they don't know what they're talking about in the same thread.
It provides some entertainment.
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Several reasons I think why you dont see larger numbers in the CT.
first and foremost. Its not where the crowd is.
Most people want to be where the crowd is.
Secondly and almost as big a reason is the limited plane set. People want to fly what they want to fly. Many. if not most have their favorite planes, or only will fly one or two different kinds of planes. And thats what they want to fly.
thirdly and the reason I rarely gop to the CT is the last few times I was there all it was, was a smaller version of the MA with all the gangbanging and vulching going on.
Or you get a situation like I had the last time I was there.
There were about 10 planes while they werent vulching the field were hanging out just outside the feild at about 5K.
They would let you get up just long enough to get outside feild ack range but not enough to get any real fighting E up then come in on you 5-6 at a time from different directions.
After about 10 min of that I said the hell with it.
I can get ganged in the MA and at least most of the time it will be by different people
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Ah, the age old icon thing again?
Curtis P-6E, if you can't ID planes at 2 miles, then there's something wrong. Well, unless you mean something like you can't tell a 152 from a 172 at two miles....that I can understand. But what about, say, telling apart two distinctly different airplanes from two miles? I can certainly tell a Beech Bonanza from the aforementioned Cessnas at two miles! Do you not think you could tell a FW-190 from an Me-109 at two miles?
Planes can indeed be tough to SPOT sometimes; it's funny how they can seemingly hide in thin air. But once I find them, I seldom find it difficult to identify them--or at least identify their general archtype (eg high-wing single-engine light monoplane). Spotting planes is something which comes with practice; hollywood-style nonstop panning just doesn't cut it. I find that I need to pick an area and LOOK, then move on. This is something flightsims don't really model--and it has nothing to do with ICONS.
I am amazed at your "can barely tell car color at a mile" comment, unless you live in some REALLY polluted city or somewhere with a severe haze problem. I can EASILY pick out car colors on a highway overpass at a distance of 4 miles as long as the light is right. And as you certainly know, visibility at ground level is reduced over even what you can see at 5K AGL. What is wrong with the area you live/work in that your vision is so horribly restricted? I can do that and I have 20/40 vision! I live in rural Ohio....best place in the country for the 5 months of the year it's actually nice (and a cold grey slushy hell for the rest of the year, hehe).
Of course if the light WASN'T right all you'd see was the sunlight glare off the windows but such is life. Flightsims don't and can't model such nuances yet. I'm not so sure it'd be all that much fun if they did.
Flightsims are a funny thing. The "dot" you see at 10 miles distance in a flightsim is WAY easier to pick out against the background than a real airplane at 10 miles (there's no "hiding in the sky" on a computer screen); yet even at 500 yards your vision in a flightsim is worse than 20/200 due to resolution limitations and screen size--so bad that flying a PC is akin to flying legally blind! Isn't it wierd that computer tech makes you an eagle eye at 10 miles, but blind at one mile?
In other words there is NO perfect compromise. Having NO icons is just as unrealistic as having them, just in different ways. It boils down to a matter of preference. At 6K yards (3.4 miles)--MAX ICON range in AH--a reasonable person could tell something like a P-47 from a Me-109, but probably couldn't tell a 109 from a Spitfire. Like I said....it's a choice between which compromise you want to make. Neither choice is entirely accurate.
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As for why I don't fly much in the CT (the ICON thing doesn't actually affect my CT attendance) :
Low population
Lack of P-51D
No desire to re-live or re-create events of 60 years ago....the past is the past.
Reasons I WILL occasionally fly in CT:
Lack of good fights in MA
Night/Dusk in MA
Other events in MA which make it un-fun.
Not that I think the MA is the greatest thing ever (I view it as pretty flawed conceptually actually), but the CT in its current form just doesn't interest me. It never has.
J_A_B
Alright, I give a bit more detail;
I can see a white car, red car, blue car but they are alll bright colors. I can not tell the diff between a 152 or 172 at two miles but yes, a low wing, high wing short stubby, long this etc, I can tell. Try spotting a cammo UH60 1/2 mile below you at and 1000ft LOW TO THE GROUND. Its not easy. Pending light and sun angle. I fly every day at 1,200 feet agl for 4 hours. In highly congested military T-6 trafic as well as Helos and fighters. C-130s stick out like a sore thumb, when higher. It depends on light, color, visability and sun angle. Over all, it aint easy!
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
3.) I prefer reduced icon range. Have you ever looked at a car at 1 mile away and tried to tell if it was blue or black or grey much less what the make and model was? How about 3 miles away? Have you ever been to the airport and tried to tell the difference between a twin engine plane and a single from more than a mile away? I'm not advocating removing icons just those at extreme ranges. You can still see dots at extreme range, you just cannot tell what model of aircraft is closing at what rate until they get closer.
I decided to do an experement. I work on the 35th floor (450ft up) There is a highway 3000yds from my building (measured 3.1 degrees below horizontal from office). Using my poor eyesight (20/30) I can tell color, basic size etc of the cars on that highway, but can't determine make or model. However, much more importantly, when the traffic helicopters come hover over the highway i can clearly distinguish the types. I conclude that at 3000yds against the sky aircraft types can be easily distingushed.
--Peregrine.
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Toad,
My exact thoughts last night.
Edbert,
I suggest you actually go measure a mile. It does not reduce automobiles nearly so much as you indicate it does, or one of us has something wrong with our eyes.
What is the point of a thread like this? You ask why we don't like the CT so that you can feel smug and superior while you talk down to us about why our reasons are wrong?
Hello?
They are the reasons we don't like the CT. Nothing you say can or will change that. If you have no interest in changing things in order to address the problems people have, don't ask the question.
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I'd actually like to get more people into the CT. I just tried it out a week ago with only 10 players and it was a blast. Havent seen that much teamwork in a while. It is also much more realistic in the aspect of plane sets, and radar.
I would encourage everyone from the MA to try out the CT atleast once per tour. It truly is alot of fun.
You are able to get away from all the dweebs and kiddies flying la7s, spits, n1ks and any other planes that you dislike because 50% of the enemy is flying it. Best part is that country is used only for operations and none of the political and whining bull that the MA sees constantly.
I will still play MA because thats where the squad operates and captures bases but CT is a great area for more realism rather than a pick-up football game - MA.
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Originally posted by Karnak
You ask why we don't like the CT so that you can feel smug and superior while you talk down to us about why our reasons are wrong? [/B]
Hopefully this was not addressed to me, if it was I assure you that I do not feel superior to anyone. I tried very hard within this limited medium to NOT offend anyone. My first post was not an answer to Curtis' question because I did not see that his question was directed at me, because I do like the CT. I merely stated some of the reasons why I do like it, not to detract from anyones reason for not liking it, simply as another point of view. Others replied to me stated that their opinions were different (primarily discussing icons) and I clearly said that my opinion put me into the minority. I never sought to denigrate someone for their POV.
I thought the overall thread was positive in nature, particularly for this BBS. Perhaps I am in the minority on that subject as well.
My biggest dislike for the CT is small turnout. Last night there were over 70 people in there and it was an absolute blast. We had a 2 hour ~6v6 going on that never got above 10K between two bases in the same sector. There was an ebb and flow but no capture attempts were made.
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No, that was not directed at you.
I just find it useless that this thread was started just to ask those of us who have problems with the way the CT is run what we don't like about the CT and then to bluntly tell us we're wrong.
If there was never an intent to see if there was any way to address the concerns of people who don't like the CT in order to get more people into the CT, then what is the point of asking the question?
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
My biggest dislike for the CT is small turnout. Last night there were over 70 people in there and it was an absolute blast. We had a 2 hour ~6v6 going on that never got above 10K between two bases in the same sector. There was an ebb and flow but no capture attempts were made.
Actually, that is the usually the case, but as luck would have it, something out of the norm happens when MA folks pop in and they (quite understandably) say F this, and leave. Base captures happen, sure, but the majority of the time, its a 4v4, 4v6, 10v10 fight between two close bases, with captures and base porkage a rare thing. That happens in the MA also, but its uncommon.
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Originally posted by Karnak
No, that was not directed at you.
I just find it useless that this thread was started just to ask those of us who have problems with the way the CT is run what we don't like about the CT and then to bluntly tell us we're wrong.
If there was never an intent to see if there was any way to address the concerns of people who don't like the CT in order to get more people into the CT, then what is the point of asking the question?
It was started by Hawk and he's debated visual acuity with players who think longer icon range will help the CT grow. (Something I haven't contested.) I believe I'm the only one who's bluntly told anyone they were plain wrong about something. I also believe I did it both tastefully and logically.
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Tastefully and logically are irrelevant.
If there is no possibility of trying something different then the question is pointless.
You aren't looking for feedback.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I just find it useless that this thread was started just to ask those of us who have problems with the way the CT is run what we don't like about the CT and then to bluntly tell us we're wrong.
Apologies to all - we do get carried away sometimes. Please don't run away from the thread, though, because it has produced some good responses, and CT people are currently discussing ways to make the arena more attractive to more people.
- oldman
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I repeat. It wasn't my thread. Also the suggestions of 3 sides, upping the side switch limitation and 20 minute planeset rotations were neither practical nor did they address the actual problem at hand. Nor does the claim that cheating runs rampant in the CT due to unlimited side switching hold merit.
I'm all for discussion about it but the truth was touched on a couple of times already. The MA enjoys more success because it was here first and more players fly there. Almost every single CT convert I've conversed with said they either didn't know about the CT at all or that friends they had in the MA gave it a bum rap and that's why they haven't been flying there.
I'm sure some tweaking will continue to happen, but what's really going to help the CT is positive promotion. And there's no need for MA regulars to fret about it. The CT could double in size (as far as regulars are concerned) and it shouldn't detract from the complaints about rook/knight/bish hordes or the size of the map in the MA or the general situation of the MA at all.
CT recruitment also involves an MA squad comprised of CT regulars now. So don't be surprised if you hear something positive said about the CT in the MA from time to time.
There's room for all, even with differences that YOU personally find distasteful (even differences that actually apply).
And yes, your presense in the CT would be welcome. Furious was there the other night. I was glad to see him. He seemed to be having a good time.
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Just in the last couple of days of flying in the CT one thing that stands out above others....The average pilot in the CT are hands down better sticks. Im not saying this as a knock on anyone, it is just my personal experience. The maturity level also seems much higher. When you make that first turn on someone and say...whoa this guy is good, and then the second turn your saying it again. When one of you finally die it is
"name" Great fight! The adrenaline is pumping and the fun is there. None of the I want my Uber plane to kill your C202. Its more about even matchups that are fun! I will be spending more time in the CT and believe that there is room for more people in there. By the current situation in the MA I am thinking alot of others who would give it a try would also enjoy it. However its not for everyone, and I can also understand that.
Just saying give it a try, you may actually have fun!
RHIN0
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Arlo,
I'm not saying that all suggestions should be entertained. Clearly 3 sides and accusations of rampant spying are silly.
However the reaction to icon issues was much the same as the reaction to the 3 side suggestion.
I want the CT to work and be a viable option for me.
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Originally posted by kevykev56
RHIN0
Curse you Rhino!
When you make that first turn on someone and say...whoa this guy is good
Hopefully I made you think that at least once :(
Seriously man, you handed me my arse more than once last night. You and "thebest1" both did, but at least I got him back once. to you, it was fun!
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alot of times i go to the CT to bomb with bombers i could not use in the MA j88 j87 Val BN5 without having to face 190d-9s and typhoons all the time
yet you guys dont want bombers you want furballs
m i wrong?
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Originally posted by Karnak
You aren't looking for feedback.
Bingo.
As to the idea that the CT just hasn't had enough exposure or that folks don't know about it, I'm tempted to do a rolleyes thingie.
Were all of you guys here when the CT was argued for and established? My oh my! The predictions of how folks were just going to FLOCK to the CT were coming fast and furious. Yet it never "took off", no matter that various folks have tried their hand at running it and attracting people.
Sooner or later the obvious will occur to some of you. This isn't an "advertising" problem. It's a "content" problem.
All you have to do is look at the suggestions made in this thread and the responses drawn from CT promoters. Not that any are NEW, of course; these same suggestions have been made since the CT's inception.
Crowds in the CT? Not until "the powers that be for the CT" take some of these suggestions to heart.
Change, in other words.
Just my .02.
As for the icons, I suggest you review the factual data in those two thread links I posted. This game....... ANY flying game currently available...... doesn't begin to match RL in terms of valid visual cues available. All come up woefully short; that's why we have conventions such as icons.
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As to the idea that the CT just hasn't had enough exposure or that folks don't know about it, I'm tempted to do a rolleyes thingie.
I have only been flying AH for 1 year now. The CT at that time was available, there just was never many people flying in it. Like I posted earlier I have only flown in there a couple of days and have enjoyed it.
I have mainly flown in there because I don’t enjoy the backed in the corner, no dar, hording that is going on in the MA. It is refreshing to come to the CT and see a different take on things.
Had it not been for the advertising on this board I may never have ventured into the CT. Since seeing more people coming in maybe there will be a few regulars. For the regulars posting here I don’t see why they need to be discredited for wanting more people in there.
The crowd seems more mature in the CT and maybe that’s what they want, a more mature mentality to fly with. The changes that are being asked for is mainly people. That seems to be the common trend "Need More Pilots". If more continually fly in there I would consider flying CT permanent.
RHIN0
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Originally posted by Mr. Toad
This game....... ANY flying game currently available...... doesn't begin to match RL in terms of valid visual cues available. All come up woefully short; that's why we have conventions such as icons.
What a wonderful way to start the weekend - being in complete agreement with Mr. Toad. :) Doesn't happen that often. :lol;):)
Yep, I remember flying over the Alps descending into Nice, and seeing all those tiny swimming pools from 6000'... One of the reasons I have NEVER tried IL2 is that (I am told) it is iconless.
But having said that, I don't have a problem with the CT icons. :aok
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takes 9 mins to switch sides
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
ARLO i comend you for you unswerving support for the CT, but alas people vote with their feet( mouse cick in this case)..it just aint fun...
CT is twice as fun as the MA horde dweeb planes set mind set
I wont be back to the MA
well except to fly thats dang ole dang ole KI
IMA killer in that ride ;-> well usta be.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
I wanted to ask those of you that do not fly in the CT.....why? All I am asking is for a simple explination. Maybe also what it would take to get you to fly in the CT if some things could be changed like:
1. Radar Range
2. Icon Range
3. Planes
4. Maps
5. Trash Talk
6. ??????
Thanks,
Hawk
Because they rarely put the P-38L in any of the CT setups and when they usually do, the other side whines about it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Karnak
Arlo,
I'm not saying that all suggestions should be entertained. Clearly 3 sides and accusations of rampant spying are silly.
However the reaction to icon issues was much the same as the reaction to the 3 side suggestion.
I want the CT to work and be a viable option for me.
I'm with you in that. I'm flexible on icon ranges. From a personal standpoint, I don't see why it's such an issue since I've been able to find plenty of fun fights in the CT with icon settings as they are - BUT I don't see making icon ranges identical to the MA as being a disaster. Put me in the "yes" category on that, for now.
My primary attraction to the CT is Axis vs Allies setups and more realistic maps - plain and simple.
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Originally posted by simshell
alot of times i go to the CT to bomb with bombers i could not use in the MA j88 j87 Val BN5 without having to face 190d-9s and typhoons all the time
yet you guys dont want bombers you want furballs
m i wrong?
There are dedicated furballers in all arenas. If there wasn't supposed to be bombing in the CT then the staff wouldn't add bombers to the planeset.
I think furballers just don't like having fighter hangars destroyed when there's a fun fight. I believe that's universal (CT and MA).
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because they rarely put the P-38L in any of the CT setups and when they usually do, the other side whines about it.
ack-ack
Was there all week, bro. I shoulda told ya. My bad.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Toad,
My exact thoughts last night.
Edbert,
I suggest you actually go measure a mile. It does not reduce automobiles nearly so much as you indicate it does, or one of us has something wrong with our eyes.
What is the point of a thread like this? You ask why we don't like the CT so that you can feel smug and superior while you talk down to us about why our reasons are wrong?
Hello?
They are the reasons we don't like the CT. Nothing you say can or will change that. If you have no interest in changing things in order to address the problems people have, don't ask the question.
I work at an airport with a 5,999 foot main runway. At that
distance it's relatively simple to ID aircraft, down to model and
depending on the paint job even the company that owns it.
On a 1 mile final, same thing..not sure why some folks have
trouble with the range, heck airliners going over 3K or more and
have no trouble IDing types and companies on those either.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Was there all week, bro. I shoulda told ya. My bad.
I was there but would leave after a bit once the Luftwhiners would start avoiding my P-38L.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I was there but would leave after a bit once the Luftwhiners would start avoiding my P-38L.
Do you leave the MA if they avoid you there or do you persist and kill them? I've been flying grey all this week and haven't avoided a 38 yet. Win or lose. :D
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Thats basicly what we do, Fight not furball. Wanna furball, the DA is an excellent arena for that.
being b&z'd to death by someone orbiting one of the few fields ya can use doesnt fit most peeps' ideas of fighting---with so few people typically in there, there simply isnt any need to fly at 20k, unless ya simply afraid of starting a fight without a 5-10k alt advantage
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Never tried the CT yet.
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i go CT whenever
A: rooks have 50% more numbers than us
B: bish are in reset corner with few bases
C: Knights are sucking rooks **** and ganging us for rook reset......
waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh :(
:)
CT has been fun lately anyway, makes a change, i mean the enemy asked as not to vulch and let him get speed up before we engaged....and we DID....and had some great fights.
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Originally posted by bj229r
being b&z'd to death by someone orbiting one of the few fields ya can use doesnt fit most peeps' ideas of fighting---with so few people typically in there, there simply isnt any need to fly at 20k, unless ya simply afraid of starting a fight without a 5-10k alt advantage
Ya tap the quote button on the message ya wanna quote.
Anyhoo .... there's all kinds. The MA has more than it's fair share of BnZers, ho-daddies, gang-rapers, pork-n-augerkazies, vulch-aces, spawncamp pointpotatos and astronautical cherry pickers. Occasionally that makes it's way into the CT as well. It's not something that can be adjusted for with arena settings. And it's not the defining differences between the arenas.
The game's designed to allow players to take advantage of each other. But it doesn't always end up that way. AAMOF, if you get there when the arena regulars are in number (even if it's only 30 or 40 in the arena*) you'll see plenty of opportunity for other facets of the game.
Sure, there's more numbers in the MA. Sometimes that means you can split from a dudsville locale to something more interesting. Sometimes that means you switch from a field being "suppressed for capture" to another one - or maybe to one your own side is doing the same thing to.
Like I says, timing is everything. The CT regulars are working on setting up a regularly scheduled "Target for Today (Tonight)" ... again. Maybe this time it'll take. When it clicks you'll be able to check it out by clicking on the CT banner above and it'll take you to the CT page that'll tell you exactly what the setup is (planeset, map, arena settings, etc) as well as the schedule for "mini-events."
*(We had 70 in the arena last night to participate in the "mini-event.")
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I was there but would leave after a bit once the Luftwhiners would start avoiding my P-38L.
ack-ack
I aint had too many run either. Most are happy to mix it up
And......
the 38 will catch half of them.
YMMV
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Originally posted by Arlo
Do you leave the MA if they avoid you there or do you persist and kill them? I've been flying grey all this week and haven't avoided a 38 yet. Win or lose. :D
You can always find prey in the MA if someone doesn't want to play. Unfortunately, in the CT it's not quite like that. That's not a knock on anyone but rather more of a statement about the lack of numbers.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Fix the radar and icon ranges, and you'll probably see at least a small increase in the numbers. The CT has far fewer people in it than the MA, but sometimes it seems that the fights are twice as difficult to find. Why? It's faux realism for its own sake IMO. Make it a microcosm of the MA; MA settings but with interesting new maps and historical plane setups every week. I'd go for that.
You also have to overcome the collective action problem where players like flying against lots of other players. Since the CT never seems capable of fielding enough players, few want to fly there. As such, the numbers remain low and perpetuate the fact that nobody wants to go there. I'm not sure how you're going to overcome that one by tweaking arena settings.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I never saw a difference between radar in the MA vs CT. Dot dar comes up inside radar circle. However, for those that cry about dot dar not being enough, CT Staffers now have enabled FULL ENEMY RADAR. IMO it a bad thing but they nwant to see if it will draw in more flyers.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Fix the radar and icon ranges, and you'll probably see at least a small increase in the numbers. The CT has far fewer people in it than the MA, but sometimes it seems that the fights are twice as difficult to find. Why? It's faux realism for its own sake IMO. Make it a microcosm of the MA; MA settings but with interesting new maps and historical plane setups every week. I'd go for that.
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
As DMF pointed out.
Eventually, it'll dawn on you. Good luck with the dar change though.