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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mars01 on August 05, 2004, 02:48:34 PM
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Last night for one sortie I was kicking prettythang for a change lol.
Then they killed they carrier. 6 kills in my FM2 and too far to fly for my tastes to land em. So I thought, we'll I've seen alot of posts in the past about guys landing on the Battle Ship.
So I said what do I have to lose. I got about 100 ft off the deck slowed her down to about 150 knts then brougth her up behind the Battleship nice and slowly.
As I got here just behind the stern I started to bring her down as I approached the deck I got her at the speed of the boat cut the throttle and she stcuk like glue.
.ef and the next thing I know I'm in the tower and it said I ditched WHAAAAAAAAAAA.
lol.
Was fun to do tho.
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Originally posted by mars01
Last night for one sortie I was kicking prettythang for a change lol.
Then they killed they carrier. 6 kills in my FM2 and too far to fly for my tastes to land em. So I thought, we'll I've seen alot of posts in the past about guys landing on the Battle Ship.
So I said what do I have to lose. I got about 100 ft off the deck slowed her down to about 150 knts then brougth her up behind the Battleship nice and slowly.
As I got here just behind the stern I started to bring her down as I approached the deck I got her at the speed of the boat cut the throttle and she stcuk like glue.
.ef and the next thing I know I'm in the tower and it said I ditched WHAAAAAAAAAAA.
lol.
Was fun to do tho.
nice landing.
but, why wouldn't it be a ditch? I mean, if you land on the grass within the boundaries of your airfield, or park your aircraft 2 feet from the runway & you get stuck with a ditch :rolleyes: :mad: , you should probably be awarded a ditch for landing ON THE WRONG BOAT! :D
I wish HTC would fix the ditch parameters.
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Thx.
Yeah I gues I can understand that. It would be cool tho :D .
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I'm going to sound incredulous for a minute - not trying to make you feel bad.
You land on a ship other than your carrier and you wonder why its a ditch???
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
...can't ..... stop .....laughing.....oh the pain!!!
simple answer - land a plane anywhere that a time consuming recovery or repair of the aircraft is necessary and you'll likely get a "ditched" statement. Battleships tend to be one of those places.
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Yeah but for such a feat pulling off something like that they should throw us a bone as a simple reward and at least agive us a successful landing.
I just think it is something cool and would be a fun option, especially when the carriers are so easily killed.
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Originally posted by Adogg
I'm going to sound incredulous for a minute - not trying to make you feel bad.......................... ............................. ............................. ............................. ..................
simple answer - land a plane anywhere that a time consuming recovery or repair of the aircraft is necessary and you'll likely get a "ditched" statement. Battleships tend to be one of those places.
What we have here is a "Game Play Issue"
And for morale sakes...id say give it a sucessfull landing...same for Landing within the paramaters of an airfield. After all......
Not trying to be a bad person here.
But are we saying that WWll fighters were not able to land on grass without damage? Get Real!
Probably more than half the MA planeset were capable of landing on grass with no damage in the "Real World".
Not trying to be a bad person here.
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Honestly, I dont wana be in the rear turret of a cruiser when some hobo tries to crash land into it. Sorta like a friendly kamikazee.... (and Im pretty sure I spelled that wrong so dont bother with the flame)
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LOL a plane wouldn't even scratch the turret.
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what about the deck guns ??
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Originally posted by mars01
LOL a plane wouldn't even scratch the turret.
yEAH BUT HE CALLED YOU A "HOBO"
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A few more words would come out of my mouth if someone crashed their airplane into a cruiser just becasue he didnt want to get his feet wet.
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There was no crash, I landed no damage no crash.
Plus and here is the big suprise - Are you ready -
Its A Game Fk Nuts
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If you can get out in friendly territory with plane intact it should be a safe landing.
Land on the runway and flip flop with gear missing and its safe not a ditch--go figure.
Mars is dead right , no damage , friendly territory , walking distance to the crapper , about as safe as it gets , which was the point of the post.
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Originally posted by mars01
There was no crash, I landed no damage no crash.
Plus and here is the big suprise - Are you ready -
Its A Game Fk Nuts
Game or Sim ?
I've been instructed many times that this is a flight "Sim" not a flight "Game"
With that in mind let's see what the others have to say, then we'll let ya know if it's acceptable to land on a boat instead of the carrier. I'm pretty sure if it's a "Sim" you would have to land your A/C on the carrier, BUT, if it's a "Game" I say set'er down on the boat or crusier or water tower..................
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In real life has there ever been an instance of a plane landing on a battleship?
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Originally posted by MOIL
Game or Sim ?
I've been instructed many times that this is a flight "Sim" not a flight "Game"
That’s just it Moil.
PPL use the GAME or SIM definition to suit their argument. And to that end many will flip flop like a politician on the definition of the game/sim to make their point.
Fact is AH2 is Both.
There are few that could/would argue that a WWll fighter plane in "Real" couldn't land safely on the grass.
I still think that any where on the Airfield should be a Safe Landing if your plane suffers no damage.
Heres the kicker. Drive a GV to an airfield and end mission on the grass= Ditch too.
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I think you were robbed mars. ;)
It's a game that simulates wwii air combat moil. :p
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its a flight simulation with gameplay.
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But are we saying that WWll fighters were not able to land on grass without damage? Get Real!
Mugzee - i understand your point there but it doesn't apply - he landed on a BATTLESHIP.
Hey it's a fantastic landing but recovering a plane from the deck of a battleship would suck up major time and effort in the real world. Not to mention earn the pilot a court martial.
That was my point.
As for landing on grass - hey I'm all for it.
This has been rehashed before. Ditch isn't technically the correct term for it BUT the notion of returning the plane to the ground in a manner that makes it unflyable i.e. no gear, rolled over, collision with water, boat, building, ripping the wings off etc etc. makes sense.
The system isn't perfect. BUT landing on a BATTLESHIP is well beyond the pale to count as a "landing."
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As long as the plane is intact it is not a ditch. I'd rather HTC stopped discriminating between landings/ditched altogether when it comes to scoring as long as the ditch was in friendly territory. In R/L many planes landed in farmers fields and on roads because they ran out of fuel, and unless they totally wrecked the plane it could usually be repaired. If you land wheels down the ground crew only needs to come over and tow the plane to the nearest airfield.
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This game is not a SIM.
Dipstick is right, it is a game the roughly simulates WWII Air
Combat.
Until we have complete engine management, gun management, oxygen mamagement, routine failures etc this will never be a sim.
I'm reading A Flying Tigers Diary - Bonds diary. I am amazed at how many times he pulled the trigger and his 50s didn't work. He's continually recharging his guns trying to get them to work.
I just finished Blacksheep One and on two occasions Boyington dives on a Zeke forgetting to arm and charge his guns.
This is not a sim. HTC has made some trade offs between sim and game to enhance the overall game play. I think he has captured the essence of the combat without sacrificing the playabiliy.
With that said, I think the friendly territory thing works the best. If you can walk away in friendly territory you land successfully.
I can live with the way it is, but I'm just saying it would be nice. I don't know if the moon and the stars will ever be aligned correctly for me to pull of a Battleship landing again so the point is probably moot lol.
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Thanks for the great comment of calling my FK Nuts. It brought a tear to my eye that Ive actually achieved a title on the BBS. Thankyou kindly. Excuse me for not swinging my purse back at you mars. Anyway, I also believe that a landing on the grass on a nearby airfeild should count as a successful land. But, I do not think a landing on the Cruiser would be a successful landing. Heres my argument. Whether AH2 is a Game or a SIM, its still unacceptable for someone to try to land on a cruiser just to land successfully. Even if AH2 is a game, it is still trying to become a SIM.
I aslo believe that the rescue planes should be put into the game. I remember in scerarios such as Kadesh where they worked quite well. In more current scenarios its seems to be having more problems. If this was emplaced into a larger arena such as the MA I think it would work quite well. A landed successfully could possibly be reached through rescue. PT boats around carriers would serve a new purpose of picking up the downed pilots that did not wish to endanger the lives of the men on the ships if no carrier was present.
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No malice ment BlueJ, more sarcasim, tounge in cheek kinda thing.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
In real life has there ever been an instance of a plane landing on a battleship?
Weren't some of the Japanese carriers acutually coverted battleships that had flat decks built on top of them?
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Alot of cargo ships were converted into flattops.
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I'm just surprised that this thread has lasted this long. hehehe
AH, like AW & the others, is a sim alright -- a combat sim.
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How about I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.
HiTech
LOL!
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Originally posted by hitech
I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.
HiTech
Cool. I might as well ask you before the score potatos start emailing you left and right..."But, are they both scored equally?"
Thanks, Hitech. :)
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Cool. I might as well ask you before the score potatos start emailing you left and right..."But, are they both scored equally?"
Thanks, Hitech. :)
No, that's the joke. :lol
"you have landed" will count as ditch and "you have landed on a runway" will count as successful. Gotta love the way HT thinks. He is eeviiill. Scary part is I'm beginning to understand him! :eek:
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Your such a Tease HT. :D I could care less about scoring just looking for some "Mars01 killed something" Action. I have to take what I can get lol.:)
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Originally posted by DipStick
No, that's the joke. :lol
"you have landed" will count as ditch and "you have landed on a runway" will count as successful. Gotta love the way HT thinks. He is eeviiill. Scary part is I'm beginning to understand him! :eek:
aAaaarrgggghhh...okay. lol But, even though I'm not a scores guy - infact, I don't even think I HAVE a score this campaign - I've always disliked how a safe landing on the grass of an airfield counted as a "ditch." Anywhooo, thanks for filling me in, DipStick. hehe
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Maybe because LA7s were not designed to land on carriers. Oh wait, you were in an FM2. Never mind.
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Wrote the first post incorectly , now it reads what I was thinking.
HiTech
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:rofl
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Originally posted by hitech
How about I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.
HiTech
HT,
Just a suggestion...
...leave the messages as they are now, but count a "safe landing" as any landing that occurs within the boundaries of the airfield. I'm sure that, in WW2, many aircraft had to be towed after a rough emergency landing in the grass to the hangar. But the pilot wasn't docked a kill or two because of where he landed the plane.
A landing anywhere else definitely deserves to be called a "ditch."
:)
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lol you think ditching parameters are bad? Drove my tiger out of the vh and onto the grass of the newly captured base.....to kill the gvs that were attempting to protect the field. The grass was so perty that I thought I'd park it right there. "You have ditched." WTF???? 50 yards forward of the vh and I ditch? What kind of "stuff" (can't express it the way I would like to) is that? But okay, let the bugs be worked out of the program first, then this can be addressed. In the meantime there's a dent in the fileing cabinet next to my computer.
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AH it's like a Sigame or a Gasim that's how I see it
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Originally posted by debuman
Weren't some of the Japanese carriers acutually coverted battleships that had flat decks built on top of them?
maybe Cargo ships. But you are right...the first Flat tops were converts.
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Originally posted by mars01
Your such a Tease HT. :D I could care less about scoring just looking for some "Mars01 killed something" Action. I have to take what I can get lol.:)
Tease isnt the first word that came to my mind. LOL
But Stubborn is fitting.
I Still think it appropriate to score any landing of an un-damaged aircraft or tank within the confines of the airfield a landing.
I mean really...a tank must land on the Concrete of an Air base to get a "Landing" score..But can land on the grass at a V Base for a "Landing" score.
Rediculas.
Now can it actually be coded this way? I think its a pain in the arse and we arent going to see it happen. ;)
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Originally posted by hitech
How about I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.
HiTech
That would be excellent as long as the system messages are included. "GScholz landed 2 kills at Monsieur Bricolage's farm in a 109G-10 (If anyone can come over and pick me and fraulein Bricolage up it will be most appreciated)" ;)
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how can you not land on a CA? it is easy and same with landing on a DD.:D
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I do agree, the ditching and landing deal is bogus. Who wouldnt complain about having a left gear off the runway, and the right one on the runway and counting as a ditch.
Then again hitech could make it even more unbearable and have us taxi!! ABSURD! Why not? :rofl