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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jackal1 on August 06, 2004, 12:48:01 AM
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12:25 AM Central time.
Is nothing sacred anymore? :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1091770204_numbers.jpg)
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Maybe the majority of current rooks live on the coast?
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Originally posted by Octavius
Maybe the majority of current rooks live on the coast?
Or, perhaps, the way institutional Bishops approach the game is repugnant and morally reprehensable to most thinking people? ;)
Zazen
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maybe chess piece loyalty is retarded?
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Ahh More Bish Bashin from Zazen :eek:
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Originally posted by Octavius
maybe chess piece loyalty is retarded?
It's not retarded for those who have been playing with the same group of people for a decade, cultivating friendships, comraderies and a deep and profound respectfull repore.
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And if that same group of people, including yourself, were switched to another chess piece... you would remain loyal to the original chess piece?
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Originally posted by Octavius
And if that same group of people, including yourself, were switched to another chess piece... you would remain loyal to the original chess piece?
They don't switch for the same reasons I do not...See above... ;)
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lol get rid of the bish add em to the nits :aok
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Ah, ya snuck that edit in there.
Anyway, you understand my point. A chess piece is just a label. The only things I care about are squaddies and others I enjoy(ed) flying with.
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Originally posted by dragoon
lol get rid of the bish add em to the nits :aok
That's a good idea except for one serious flaw. The ratio of Bishop children to Knight baby-sitters would be greater than the state mandated maximum ratio. I'm afraid child services would be called in and all those poor Bishops kiddes would be hauled off en masse to orphanages.
Zazen
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
your right ya know:p
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Originally posted by Octavius
Ah, ya snuck that edit in there.
Anyway, you understand my point. A chess piece is just a label. The only things I care about are squaddies and others I enjoy(ed) flying with.
Octavius, it was only an arbitrary label in beta 1. Now at Tour 55, like it or not, each country has a developed a 'culture' based on it's institutional members and their respective behaviors, actions, and overall approach to the game. There is a difference in 'group methodology' between the teams. Those that have been playing a while have been attracted to and remain with the team that has a methodology that most closely resembles their own personal approach...
Zazen
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Originally posted by dragoon
lol get rid of the bish add em to the nits :aok
i second that :D
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I've flown for all 3... choose to stay rooks, along with my squad. Those #'s are bad for furballs though... Bish need a kickstart. Used to have some pretty good bish missions when I was over there. Rocstar, Hap, and Waffle were 3 guys who could really organize a mission. Good luck bish, maybe get together for a JSO??
--Mike/Howitzer
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Octavius, it was only an arbitrary label in beta 1. Now at Tour 55, like it or not, each country has a developed a 'culture' based on it's institutional members and their respective behaviors, actions, and overall approach to the game. There is a difference in 'group methodology' between the teams. Those that have been playing a while have been attracted to and remain with the team with a methodology that most closely resembles their own personal approach...
Zazen
o yes Bishops like to fight people
Nights like to fight people
Rooks like to cherry pick people
ahh i see
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One of us pee in your cereal bowl or somthin?
You take this Bish-Nit-Rook thing way to seriously IMO,
most of us share many of the same intrests in WW2 aircraft, History etc., Just curious why you constantly rip on guys that you would probably enjoy havin a beer with?
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Octavius, it was only a label in beta 1. Now at Tour 55, like it or not, each country has a developed a 'culture' based on it's institutional members and their respective behaviors, actions, and overall approach to the game. There is a difference in 'group methodology' between the teams. Those that have been playing a while have been attracted to and remain with the team with a methodology that most closely resembles their own personal approach...
Zazen
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Institutional behaviors? And that's attributed to a chess piece... um, no. No chess piece or country has any attributes "stained" to itself after 55 tours.
Rotate all Bish to Rook, Rook to Knit, Knit to Bish. Any change besides a name?
Thanks for agreeing with me. You're thinking way too hard Zazen :)
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Originally posted by Octavius
Institutional behaviors? And that's attributed to a chess piece... um, no. No chess piece or country has any attributes "stained" to itself after 55 tours.
Rotate all Bish to Rook, Rook to Knit, Knit to Bish. Any change besides a name?
Thanks for agreeing with me. You're thinking way too hard Zazen :) [/B]
You could call the teams apples, pears, and grapes, but it wouldn't change the fact that each team will attract and retain likeminded individuals. I played AW for a LONG time, there were Az, Bz, and Cz. Curiously, the exact same thing happened across 10 different arenas. Each team on each server quickly identified themselves with a general methodology and approach to the game. It's just simple human nature and it happens fairly quickly.
You could change the names of the countries, give us all new handles prohibiting us from divulging our old ones, shake us all up and spit us out randomly. But, give us the freedom of choice of movemement from one country to another just like we enjoy now. I guarentee you, within 6 months, we'd be exactly where we are now, and if you suddenly gave us our original handles back you would find 95% of us gravitated back to the same group of people.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Cooley
One of us pee in your cereal bowl or somthin?
You take this Bish-Nit-Rook thing way to seriously IMO,
most of us share many of the same intrests in WW2 aircraft, History etc., Just curious why you constantly rip on guys that you would probably enjoy havin a beer with?
If I 'had a beer with' most Bish, I'd be hauled off by the coppers for contributing to the delinquency of a minor....
Zazen
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Wow, thats witty :rolleyes: nm
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Originally posted by Cooley
Wow, thats witty :rolleyes: nm
It's also the truth...
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Define most? 75% or higher?
If that wasn't a failed attempt at humor, I'll ask ya to back up that assertion. It's highly unlikely, if not impossible, that you can.
heh, this isn't gonna go anywhere. I digress... what do I know? I simply shut up and FLY.
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Guess Zazen starting to campaign for Rook president...
Figured it was only a matter of time before politics reared it's ugly head in another forum beside OT.
Ah well, few months time...will be fun feeding crow to "Zazen" King of the Rooks.....
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Guess Zazen starting to campaign for Rook president...
Figured it was only a matter of time before politics reared it's ugly head in another forum beside OT.
I have no desire to be the President of anything, I'm just explaining human psychology and basic human nature as it applies to our closed system of AH demographics. It's not political, it's reality.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm have no desire to be the President of anything, I'm just explaining human psychology and basic human nature as it applies to our closed system of AH demographics. It's not political, it's reality.
Zazen
No, It's a game....
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Effective immediately, all AH subscribers will be required to move to Central U.S. time zone and work during the designated hours authorized by The Peoples Aces High Workers Party.
Game play will commence only at officially sanctioned times as prescribed by the Leadership Committee of The Peoples Aces High Workers Party.
All chess piece affiliation will be immediately assigned by the party and loyal party members will assimilate into their chess piece collective.
Party members will abide by this affiliation until assigned differently by the Leadership Committee, or until their demise, upon which their offspring will be assigned to fulfill their obligation to the party by singing the glories of their chess piece manifesto.
Thank you for your attention to this matter and good night.
Marvin W. Rolex
Party Chairman
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Originally posted by Zazen13
If I 'had a beer with' most Bish, I'd be hauled off by the coppers for contributing to the delinquency of a minor....
Zazen
LOL Well if you have a beer with this Bish you wouldn`t have to worry about the "minor" thingy by a long, long shot, but by Gawd Margaret you would be the one to buy. :D
I also agree with the country loyalty thing by a squad. I would sure hate to see people be forced to change countries if they have been playing for a while and are settled in on a country. I don`t think that is the problem though anyway. I beleive the newer player sees the opportunity to get on the steam roller band wagon and takes it. Of course there is also some of the more seasoned players who have no ties or bonds to any particualr country and will switch faster than Oprah`s weight change also, but this is not the norm.
I`m not sure what would be a feasible cure for this situation.
I thought this might generate some thought and actual discussion of ideas from others, but as usual it has turned into mud pie day at Happy Town.
Zaz, hand me a beer.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
No, It's a game....
No, it's the reality of the game....
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oh geez, yet another thread with this elitest [sarcasm]I played AW for 25 years with all my friends and us cool elitest cant help it we attract so many like minded players to our country[/sarcasm] crap in it. As if there is an exclusive monopoly of online flight sim veterans in a particular country. Get over yourself. Or at least go pump your ego in private.
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Careful Jackal, the Rooks are busy whining in another post how they never have decent numbers.....:lol
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I just read that post about rooks not having enough numbers for an answer to their lack of organization. Almost pissed my pants laughing. :lol
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Originally posted by RELIC
Careful Jackal, the Rooks are busy whining in another post how they never have decent numbers.....:lol
Well ....after going after the towel to clean up the iced tea I spewed everywhere after reading the first post of that thread I just go to say that is by far the most productive troll with such an outright fiction based subject, known to all, that I have ever witnessed.
Greatness must be applauded. :D
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Originally posted by Cooley
One of us pee in your cereal bowl or somthin?
You take this Bish-Nit-Rook thing way to seriously IMO,
most of us share many of the same intrests in WW2 aircraft, History etc., Just curious why you constantly rip on guys that you would probably enjoy havin a beer with?
Cooly this is why I play the game the way I do.
I dont give a Rats behind who I am flying for, with, against, into or whatever. As long as I am having a good time I am getting my 15 bucks worth from the game.
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The thread was started 2 years ago.
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Originally posted by Rolex
The thread was started 2 years ago.
Shhh, you are ruining our filter test of situational awareness.
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I erased countless of differently phrased posts bemoaning the pathetic state of mankind. Surely, I said, we will soon be extinct as donkeys possess a higher average intelligence. But, I decided to simply state the obvious without editorial since even the obvious will likely be misunderstood. ;)
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The thread was started 2 years ago.
D'oph! That explains it! I gotta start paying more attention to my surroundings.
It was nice to see the Bish having a better night tonight, but had to be a bummer for the Knits. They put up a heck of a fight until the numbers ran over em >S< Knits.
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Originally posted by Rolex
The thread was started 2 years ago.
One of the most excellent of all trolls........a vintage troll.
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I dont think ppl like Zazen have came to realize that it isnt Players like him that have been responsible for the evolution of Rook numbers growing. In fact i have posted my thoughts in another thread to why this situation has arised over the last year.
Originally posted by Mugzeee
It is my personal recollection that in the earlier days the followings comments were very accurate "If a country is gangbanged, no matter which country, and it has the equivalent of numbers of the two other countries combined, it does not have "numbers". Fighter for fighter, it faces an equal number of enemies, only on two fronts."
However this no longer rings true.
It cannot be disputed that the 2 countries with the largest numbers attack the country with the lowest numbers in effort to "Steal" the win from each other and collect the Perks and the Honor of being named the "Winner". It’s also true that most players play for ONE simple reason. (THE KILL) Don’t try to kidd me or yourself. Players will switch just to partake in the Vulch Fest and get their Name In Lights faster than you can say “Jimmy Cracked Corn” “Or Jimmy Landed 6 kills in a La7 of ______. LOL
And to answer the next question. Yes they will do it even knowing that "Win War" Peraks are not awarded. They still see their name in lights and gain easy fighter perks via Pick Kills and Vulch Kills.
And LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I believe this for some odd reason builds EGO and confidence for most.
With the current setup we can expect this to be the Normal.
Likewise it cannot be disputed that it is becoming increasingly more un-balanced as time goes by. It used to be a big deal when a said country had 20 to 30 more players than the other two. [color=redNow its very common the see a single country at prime time (Eastern Time) having 70to 80 players advantage over the other two.[/color]
You do have those that are claiming that Knights or Bishops have numbers during the morning and daytime. While this is true its usually to the tune of about 20 maybe 30 players on average over either of the other two countries.
Anyone is free to try and convince us otherwise. And in doing so hes proving he is in denial or just plain ignorant!
Either way any such attempt will earn any such person/persons a reserved spot on my personal "Ignor List" :P
Originally posted by Mugzeee
Why has it become more and more lopsided than ever before?
I think we might be seeing a "Security in Numbers" thing playing out. Imagine if you were a New Player to AH2 these days and you join up with the Bish or Knights at first logon. After a few weeks you are getting you butt pummeled for a couple of reasons. First you may be (New to AH2 Flight Model or even MA style Simming)
Secondly (your country is out numbered by the other 2 countries by 50 70 EVEN nearly 100 layers in some cases.) It soon becomes obvious that IF you are going to learn to play this game? It would be a lot more fun learning if you did it knowing you had 4 or 5 buddies nearby at all times to help you if you get you tit in the wringer. Couple this with other factors. Perk Points for kills, (While you might get fewer points per kill. You will get kills galore.) Endless Vulching sessions, Getting your name in lights for a change, via the system “Kills Landed” message) Makes tons of sense for the newbie and unfortunately for some Ego seekers.
There is the issue “What if I want to fly with a friend?”
Maybe we could swap countries with a willing participant for a day? PS (This might cause people to strive to have a little more diplomatic behavior towards others)
Im sure there are tons of ins and outs on the idea. But I would welcome another attempt at trying to balance the MA numbers to within a certain ratio.
Nonetheless I think HTC has proven that they can do as they wish and for the most part we will continue to play no matter the issues or fixes.
This is the “Give up sissy attitude” that causes the MA unbalance in the first place.
But that’s just me. I tend to feel a loyalty in anything I do. Unless of course, it’s for a ROOK! LOL
No harm intended guys. But IMO i feel it has become a problem with the over all Game Play expereince. Either way I choose to Press ON! Out Numbered or not. :)
PS. Remember...If yous Rooks react to this post saying that i am a whiner and no change is needed? Then i wont need to call you a whiner who is trying to stop something that "Doesnt matter" anyway :D
Bye Bye ;)
To my utter surprise i seen Rooks with 190 to 220 players 4 out of 7 days last week.
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Just logged into MA this Sat morn 2 mins after this reply.
Looky what i found.
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mugz/images/lasttime.gif)
Bish .......27 Feieds.....Bish NW territory
Knights..12 Fields.......Knights NE territory
Rooks.....36 Fields......Rooks SE territory
Whens the last time you seen any country starting with the SE territory of Mindinao do sooo well?
Rooks had serious numbers last night and it shows this morning.
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Obviously the horde mentality is the majority in the MA, it is clearly the most prevailant.
So lets just give Rooks their own arena to capture bases in without any resistance what so ever, since that seems to be there preffered flight trait anyway.
That would leave a 2 country based war & MAYBE JUST MAYBE we could get 2 sides to keep it close. AH history has shown us theres no way we can keep it close with 3 countries.
Anton
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Anton, pull your panties out yer butt. How is it you (or anyone else here) can see the horde mentality from any other country but your own?
I know why....:rolleyes: :rofl
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Well dipstick, I Look at the map.
But here is a lil bit of trivia for you to help you understand where my opinion comes from---
I flew Rook for a while before AH2 moved to MA, then my puter couldnt play AH2, but I kept my account open for 3 months hoping for a solution. When no solution could be had, I decided to buy a new system.
When I got my new system I arrived back in MA as a Rook. Flew 2 days w/ rook, always watching map & numbers. Not 1 single time in those 2 days, in morning, noon, or nite, did the Rooks not have a LARGE numbers adavantage.
After 2 days of racing 7 countrymen to the ONLY con in the sector, Or de-winging a plane at 20k only to see 5 (apparently kill starved)countrymen chase the carcass to the ground, I got BORED!!!!! REAL BORED!!!!!
I beacame part of the SOLUTION and not part of the PROBLEM
I dont know what the cure to feeble minded players choosing the cakewalk path to undefended bases is. And thats not MY job.
But Its REAL obvious that MANY people are SICK of the constantly lopsided numbers, and SICK of the horde wimps. Many of us long for a game where the outcome is determined by skill, and not just how many people are on 1 side.
I switched from the side w/MOST numbers to the side w/LEAST numbers. I have taken steps to try to improve the gameplay, have you?
Anton
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Originally posted by Jackal1
12:25 AM Central time.
Is nothing sacred anymore? :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1091770204_numbers.jpg)
was in ma this morning at 8:30am est. and numbers were fairly low on all sides, 30-40's for bish and knites, 60-70's for rooks:eek:
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
I dont think ppl like Zazen have came to realize that it isnt Players like him that have been responsible for the evolution of Rook numbers growing. In fact i have posted my thoughts in another thread to why this situation has arised over the last year.
I never said anything of the sort.
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You've said that flying rooks is a utopian ideal who's honour and bravery shine like a beacon from amongst the ugly 12 year old bishops. I've checked the stats but I'm still not convinced.
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I'm firmly convinced that if you took an average chess-warrior and swapped him around, he'd notice no difference in the behaviour of his friendlies or his enemies.
Overall numbers actually mean very little. You know why? Because nobody from ANY side will engage when they don't have numbers.
So if the numbers are even, you'll see one horde of 15+ (knight, or rook, or bish) planes hitting a preferably undefended (bish, rook, or knight) field, while the next sector over there will be a similarly sized horde of (bish, rook, or knight) will be hitting a preferably undefended field of the (bish, rook, or knight).
If the numbers are vastly lopsided, you'll typically see 2 or 3 hordes instead of just one for the one team, but you'll still see the "outnumbered" team hitting back against an undefended field belonging either to the 3rd team or the "big" team.
One thing I've noticed, although this may be personal "bias", is that the rooks do seem to fly higher and more timidly than the bish or knights. Usually they are in the faster planes (runstang, la7, run90) and will make a couple bore n zoom passes and either run or orbit while calling for friends. This happens on all sides, but it seems to be the modus operandi for the majority of the rooks.
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Those that have been playing a while have been attracted to and remain with the team that has a methodology that most closely resembles their own personal approach...
what about those of us who fly with the side with the least numbers to try to even out game play? ive played on all 3 sides, now im currently nit to do what i can to even numbers.
~S~
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Originally posted by Black Sheep
Anton, pull your panties out yer butt. How is it you (or anyone else here) can see the horde mentality from any other country but your own?
I know why....:rolleyes: :rofl
You are apparently burrying you head in the sand and avoiding the facts.
Originally posted by Chortle
You've said that flying rooks is a utopian ideal who's honour and bravery shine like a beacon from amongst the ugly 12 year old bishops. I've checked the stats but I'm still not convinced.
He sure did...I seen it. again and again and again.
Originally posted by anton
Well dipstick, I Look at the map.
But here is a lil bit of trivia for you to help you understand where my opinion comes from---
I flew Rook for a while before AH2 moved to MA, then my puter couldnt play AH2, but I kept my account open for 3 months hoping for a solution. When no solution could be had, I decided to buy a new system.
When I got my new system I arrived back in MA as a Rook. Flew 2 days w/ rook, always watching map & numbers. Not 1 single time in those 2 days, in morning, noon, or nite, did the Rooks not have a LARGE numbers adavantage.
After 2 days of racing 7 countrymen to the ONLY con in the sector, Or de-winging a plane at 20k only to see 5 (apparently kill starved)countrymen chase the carcass to the ground, I got BORED!!!!! REAL BORED!!!!!
I beacame part of the SOLUTION and not part of the PROBLEM
I dont know what the cure to feeble minded players choosing the cakewalk path to undefended bases is. And thats not MY job.
But Its REAL obvious that MANY people are SICK of the constantly lopsided numbers, and SICK of the horde wimps. Many of us long for a game where the outcome is determined by skill, and not just how many people are on 1 side.
I switched from the side w/MOST numbers to the side w/LEAST numbers. I have taken steps to try to improve the gameplay, have you?
Anton
Now that is respectable!
Salute!