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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on August 06, 2004, 07:02:13 AM
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USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/cowboys/2004-08-05-carter-legal_x.htm)
Carter may have case against Cowboys
By Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY
Former Dallas Cowboys quarterback Quincy Carter, released Wednesday amid reports that he faced discipline for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy, could pursue legal options on the grounds the team violated the league's collective bargaining agreement with its players union.
"If a club were to cut a player because of problems in terms of league discipline, that would be improper," Richard Berthelsen, general counsel for the NFL Players Association, said Thursday without speaking specifically about Carter's case.
Agent Eugene Parker refused to comment on Carter's plans. The CBA allows the quarterback 45 days to file a grievance, which would be heard by an arbitrator.
Carter, 26, was not claimed off waivers by any of the league's 31 other teams.
Un-fediddleing-believable :rolleyes:
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Based upon numerous discussions about the two types of football...the real one and American football...I think that there must be a mistake.
American football players are role models, amazing atheletes, great Americans and all round manly men.
They are not crackheads.
This article is a lie.
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They used to be, Curval.
(http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img6792421.jpg)
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Originally posted by rpm371
They used to be, Curval.
(http://images.nfl.com/photos/features/img6792421.jpg)
Now they are mostly wanna be rappers. Look at how many black athletes are arrested for spousal abuse, drug charges, rape, murder, DUI. In black "culture" it's cool the be the "thug" the "playa", "pimp", "hustler" you name it. It isnt about the love of the sport its how many Ho's or how much bling you got. Spinner wheels on Escalades..........started by athletes/rappers....tv's in cars.....ditto.
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Yeah, back when Tex owned the team the B.S. didn't last long. Criminal offenses resulted in releases or trades within 24-48 hours. No matter how good the player was. I remember seeing two players, one was caught with cocaine, and one was charged with statutory rape, and both were gone within 8 hours.
Stick and ball sports have become infested with low life individuals who are scum of the earth all the way down to high school levels. It's really sad too. I used to love to watch the games. Now you can see the same players (with some exceptions) down at the booking room.
It's all about money and winning at any cost now.
For every Cal Ripken Jr., you get a dozen Daryl Strawberrys.
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Originally posted by snapperhead
Now they are mostly wanna be rappers. Look at how many black athletes are arrested for spousal abuse, drug charges, rape, murder, DUI. In black "culture" it's cool the be the "thug" the "playa", "pimp", "hustler" you name it. It isnt about the love of the sport its how many Ho's or how much bling you got. Spinner wheels on Escalades..........started by athletes/rappers....tv's in cars.....ditto.
Pimp my ride !! LOL
that'd be racist if it weren't true, maybe it still is - LOL
just gonna get worse as the average overweight whitey kid would rather play fball, bball on his playstation in the a/c than in the heat on the field
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So they were role models, amazing atheletes, great Americans and all round manly men when the teams were staffed by white players?
Is this what I am reading?
Okay...
What a wonderful view you guys have of your greatest sport.
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Originally posted by Curval
So they were role models, amazing atheletes, great Americans and all round manly men when the teams were staffed by white players?
Is this what I am reading?
Okay...
What a wonderful view you guys have of your greatest sport.
not saying that at all, but just look at the obvious without the pink color PC glasses...
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Black or white has nothing to do with it.
The era which is used as an example had plenty of black athletes who were of role model quality. Staubach was white, but both primary receivers, the two Pearsons, were black, as were the two backs, Dorsett and Newhouse.
It's about the culture that now infests the game. Not about the color of the men who play it.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Black or white has nothing to do with it.
The era which is used as an example had plenty of black athletes who were of role model quality. Staubach was white, but both primary receivers, the two Pearsons, were black, as were the two backs, Dorsett and Newhouse.
It's about the culture that now infests the game. Not about the color of the men who play it.
Much better way of saying it.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Cowboys fan here. It amazes me that he has the ability to sue, he test positive for an illegal drug (not just one banned by football) and still can do this unreal the world we live in.
As far as role models thankfully there still are some very good role models in the game.
Favre
Emmitt
Aikman (was...hell still is)
McNair
reggie White
Montana
Johnston
you can still find them...but i agree the sport has definately gone down hill over the last 15 years or so.
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I worked with pro football players for over 15 years, and there's no way to generalize about the way "they" are- in fact they're just as diverse a group as you'll ever find.
The vast majority of players are highly focused and dedicated atheletes- if anything the kids coming up today are more focused, more dedicated than players of the past because the competition for a roster spot is so intense.
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McNair???
You do know that he was pulled over for DUI last year, among other things?
Yes, the charges were dismissed, but only on the somewhat dubious grounds that the officer "stopped him on a hunch".
Funny, when they pull joe average over, they call it probable cause, or suspicion of DUI. The charges generally stick pretty good too.
Sure, there are a FEW decent guys out there now, but as I said before, for every good one, there are a bunch of bad ones. Maybe that's because the media tends to display the dark side of the human species, but there sure seem to be enough examples to give them plenty to display.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I worked with pro football players for over 15 years
Doing what..photocopying doctored drug test results?
;)
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Originally posted by Curval
Doing what..photocopying doctored drug test results?
;)
No Curval, organizing charity events (softball, basketball games) between pro players and police and firefighters' associations.
Fifteen years has taught me that it's impossible to generalize about players- after the event, some wanted to go party, some wanted to go eat, some wanted to hit the gym and some wanted to go to their rooms and study film.
The only common trait I noticed was a highly competitive nature no matter what the game. Other than that they're actually quite normal (although some here may question my judgement on what "normal" is) ;)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
McNair???
You do know that he was pulled over for DUI last year, among other things?
Yes, the charges were dismissed, but only on the somewhat dubious grounds that the officer "stopped him on a hunch".
Funny, when they pull joe average over, they call it probable cause, or suspicion of DUI. The charges generally stick pretty good too.
Sure, there are a FEW decent guys out there now, but as I said before, for every good one, there are a bunch of bad ones. Maybe that's because the media tends to display the dark side of the human species, but there sure seem to be enough examples to give them plenty to display.
Not all of the old time players, even heroes, were great role models. Many of them were less than honerable characters themselves. Many of them made mistakes so lets not look at the 'good old days' with rose colored glasses. There are enough stories of drinking and whoring binges from the 50's, 60's and 70's to fill an encyclopedia.
Saying that, the media didn't hype the badboyness of their transgressions. In general the media tried to cover over their transgressions because they were role models and because it was thought that pointing out their fallibility would lessen their positive impact on kids.
These days it seems the worst of the worst get the most attention and the most praise. There are plenty of positive role models, both black and white, in sports but unless you are beating up your wife, or involved in a shooting near a club, you don't seem to get much recognition. It is sad that in some black communities, a positive role model who keeps his or her nose clean is considered a 'sell out'.
Until these kinds of communities quit glorifying the most violent members of their group there will be no improvement. That change has to come from within, no amount of encouragement or browbeating from the outside will do it.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Black or white has nothing to do with it.
The era which is used as an example had plenty of black athletes who were of role model quality. Staubach was white, but both primary receivers, the two Pearsons, were black, as were the two backs, Dorsett and Newhouse.
It's about the culture that now infests the game. Not about the color of the men who play it.
Excellent summary, Virgil. There were bad boy players back in the day, mostly white. Staubach replaced a notorious party hound, Don Merideth. The film North Dallas Forty gives a very candid look inside those 1960's era players lives.
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Dandy Don may have been a party animal, but that is hardly the sort of transgression I am speaking of. I'd hardly place Merideth in the company of the sort of thug I'm talking about.
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Dunno Virgil, I've heard Don tell stories. But with him it's hard to tell if he's BS'ing.