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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Coolridr on August 06, 2004, 02:04:24 PM
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Alot of you prettythang-wipes go around pinning this tag on everybody that dislikes Kerry on this BBS and every anti-Kerry article or commercial thats out there. So since I've been called this once I just wonder what your definitions are. I don't think of myself as left or right but pretty close to the middle.:D
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Search this UBB and you will find plenty of threads on the subject. It means "evil".
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I never understood the need to pigeon-hole people with a tag.
Maybe they just need to put you in a box, and you do not fit into any other box, so this tag gets applied. Sort of a "misc" category.
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HERE (http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html) is a pretty good article on NeoCons.
Basicly NeoCons are now the Far- Right wing of the GOP.
McCain would be the exact opposite of a NeoCon.
"Neocons" believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire. Neoconservatives believe modern threats facing the US can no longer be reliably contained and therefore must be prevented, sometimes through preemptive military action.
Most neocons believe that the US has allowed dangers to gather by not spending enough on defense and not confronting threats aggressively enough. One such threat, they contend, was Saddam Hussein and his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. Since the 1991 Gulf War, neocons relentlessly advocated Mr. Hussein's ouster.
They also believe the US is unnecessarily hampered by multilateral institutions, which they do not trust to effectively neutralize threats to global security. Neocons envision a world in which the United States is the unchallenged superpower, immune to threats. They believe that the US has a responsibility to act as a "benevolent global hegemon." In this capacity, the US would maintain an empire of sorts by helping to create democratic, economically liberal governments in place of "failed states" or oppressive regimes they deem threatening to the US or its interests.
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My real point of this thread is not so much the actual definition of neo-conservative, I just wanted to see what some of these guys said. I think alot of these guys are uninformed or misinformed and are apllying lables to stuff when they don't know what they are talking about.
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A label means whatever you want. A neo-con is someone who was a liberal in the 50's or 60's, but became a conservative. That's all, not very deep. But it has a nice sinister ring to it, so liberals use it as a label for anyone on the right they feel like slamming at the moment.
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Originally posted by rpm371
HERE (http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html) is a pretty good article on NeoCons.
Basicly NeoCons are now the Far- Right wing of the GOP.
McCain would be the exact opposite of a NeoCon.
explains a bunch of our problems. super lefties would last about a day in arab world because they dumb enough to think that their view on life is worldwide. in most of the world outside of europe and japan its better to be percieved as dangerous and strong and to surprise them by being benevolent thru actions. super lefties want to appear harmless which will get you killed very fast in a large part of the world. "if youre not a hard target you are a soft target". as long as different cultures exist they are going to rub each other wrong way every so many years. some believe it best that the fight from the rubbing takes place outside us where people would stage and plan to hit us. others think we should let people break our nose and run away and then go looking for them after we get back from er and only with permission of our mom and neighbors.
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Then why dont you be real and ask about the pigeon hole comment 'liberals' or 'pansy liberals, hippy, or tree hugger, or greeny, or communist, or anti-american, or any other name commenly thrown around on this bb... Dont limit the question as if only one group of people are responsible for these actions.. Thats being hypocritical...
edit: this just in; 'super lefties'..........
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like I said. I felt people were using it and not knowing what it means. We all can figure out what a Communist or tree-hugger is and use it in a description the proper way without the definition, they define themselves. :D
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Only NeoCons start threads like these.
-SW
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I'm no Neo-con....But when I run for Dictator in 2020.......
:D
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Then why dont you be real and ask about the pigeon hole comment 'liberals' or 'pansy liberals, hippy, or tree hugger, or greeny, or communist, or anti-american, or any other name commenly thrown around on this bb... Dont limit the question as if only one group of people are responsible for these actions.. Thats being hypocritical...
edit: this just in; 'super lefties'..........
want me to get you a tshirt? it can say "im really nice and i respect all cultures" on the back. that shirt and a company of Marines will keep you safe in the rough part of cairo at night.
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What is wrong with being called a Liberal?
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Originally posted by anonymous
want me to get you a tshirt? it can say "im really nice and i respect all cultures" on the back. that shirt and a company of Marines will keep you safe in the rough part of cairo at night.
Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im happy I dont live in your world of fear, but I'll take the shirt.. 8)
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Originally posted by Lizking
What is wrong with being called a Liberal?
nothing that i know of. if theyd only tell their little retarded distant cousins at moveon.org to shut up and stop lying all the time they wouldnt take so much heat.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im happy I dont live in your world of fear, but I'll take the shirt.. 8)
world of fear? ever been to the middle east? ever dealt with arabs? different culture there and assuming that your version of acceptable force and right and wrong and expected restraint applies to it is both arrogant and highly dangerous. i know it doesnt fit in with your happy world book from disney but believe me when i say that there are some places in the world that if you look like you are weak you will be preyed upon very quickly.
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I've been to the Middle East a bunch of times and actually most of the people were very friendly. It's just the "religous fundamentalists" that are the haters.
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Pretty much everywhere in the world, including large parts of America and Europe, too.
It is not fear, it is knowledge and a realistic worldview.
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TheDudeDVant
I hear people say they get accused of being un American on this board by righties? Can you show me a thread this has happened on?
Maybe I am missing it, but I think this is a perception thing, I think for the most part the guys saying this are taking being told your wrong as your un American.
Then again maybe I just missed it. I have not been reading almost any of the Political discussions on this board.
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You are un-american GtoRA2.
See, it just happened. I have come to the conclusion that it must happen in every thread, and I base that on absolutely nothing.
-SW
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Originally posted by Coolridr
I've been to the Middle East a bunch of times and actually most of the people were very friendly. It's just the "religous fundamentalists" that are the haters.
arabs culture is brutal. i dont mean inferior or bad just rough. in us or england something that causes spanking for a kid could cause a serious whoopin if the exchange is father to son and thats just the way it is. if arab boys of teenage years ask you in daylight if they allowed in a zone and you say "no" they will ask "what happen if we go there". if you say "you will be in trouble" they will be there that night. if you say "i will shoot you and your friends" they will not be there that night and usually from then on there is mutual respect. they can tell their friends "the american is dangerous he threatened to kill me" so they are seen as brave. also because you are now recognized as formidible individual there is no shame in arabic boy treating you with respect. of course they would not be shot but the act must be convincing. first time i in middle east which was long time ago am standing with platoon chief and young adult arab males come up to us and one asks him if he likes killing. he says "yes but it has been some time i hope to kill again soon". of course he is not serious but with adult males in arabic culter also in -stans sometimes it very important to appear strong enough and dangerous enough to warrant respect. on street in us uk europe respect is by default because of society norms common decency whatever. this is not the same in some parts of arabic world. in some it is cabby in bahrain is not living in same world as villager in border area of afhganistan-pakistan. understand i dont think this is barbaric just the way that culture is. i dont look down on the people because the morals and standards are different.
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Neo-Conservative: A term utilized by Dumbocrats to admit defeat in rhetorical combat.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Neo-Conservative: A term utilized by Dumbocrats to admit defeat in rhetorical combat.
Agree 100%:D
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Great sport..a bunch of brainwashed conservitiles wondering why "liberals" need to pigeon hole people with labels..
man you sorry clowns are rich..lol
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Originally posted by Pongo
Great sport..a bunch of brainwashed conservitiles wondering why "liberals" need to pigeon hole people with labels..
man you sorry clowns are rich..lol
Why are we "brainwashed" ? From our point of view it's you who are brainwashed.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Why are we "brainwashed" ? From our point of view it's you who are brainwashed.
Oh My God, its the Borg.
-SW
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What I don't understand is why liberals both refuse to accept that descriptive term, and also refuse to use conservative for those who are. Why does the left always have to use cutsey little names for thier opponents?
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Originally posted by Pongo
Great sport..a bunch of brainwashed conservitiles wondering why "liberals" need to pigeon hole people with labels..
man you sorry clowns are rich..lol
Poking fun at people for labeling people, while labeling people. Interesting. Almost comical.
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(Millions of voices at once)
We are the Republicans.
Your cultural and technilogical distinctiveness will be added to our own.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
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Want me to list the cutsy little names for "liberal" that are used on this bbs alone? I missed your post(or skuzzys) complaining about that. That you dont see them, and make such a silly post makes you brainwashed.
If you endorse the world view and aggenda that is the self declared manifesto of the group that runs your country at the moment and are called neo-conservatives..then you are one of those.
Its quite simple.
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(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/edoom/theyareontome.gif)
-SW
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Ohh wait, you're from Canada?
Your opinion on U.S. politics doesn't matter. :D
No-one cares about Canadian Liberals. :D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Poking fun at people for labeling people, while labeling people. Interesting. Almost comical.
Not seeing the same problem with the whole thread..pathetic. Almost brainwashed.
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Lefty? That is the only one I can think of. Show me more.
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Let me say it again...
Ohh wait, you're from Canada?
Your opinion on U.S. politics doesn't matter.
No-one cares about Canadian Liberals.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
My real point of this thread is not so much the actual definition of neo-conservative, I just wanted to see what some of these guys said. I think alot of these guys are uninformed or misinformed and are apllying lables to stuff when they don't know what they are talking about.
Kind of like liberal, maybe it means hypocrite
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Kind of like liberal, maybe it means hypocrite
OHH here we go again.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Lizking
What is wrong with being called a Liberal?
I don't know, ask Kerry, it seems to tear his prettythang up.