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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: demaw1 on August 06, 2004, 03:20:48 PM
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I have been invited to a meeting next week. This meeting is not just for vets but most are...It is to discuss whys to support the vets who have come out against kerrys vietnam record.. They and I guess I do also,believe the news media and dems are going to be vindictive and untruthfull about them.
More important, the main thrust of debate, is to see what they personally can do, to protect those that come back from iraq, from the liberals. Now this is more dear to my heart, It seems they want to stand up for the military, and stop those that would from spitting,calling them baby killers etc.
I thought I better say this isnt suppose to be some get your guns thing, just being a support ,barrier,thing. He did laugh and say someting like spiting might equal a bloody nose he he.
Anyway he said it seems because of the way the dems ,hollywood and the media are becoming there is a ground swell beginning, the saying being something like ,never again.
Has anyone else heard anything like this?
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Any member of the American Armed Services been spat on or been called a baby killer lately?
nope didn't actually think so......but what the heck - why spoil a evening of righteous indignation getting your piss in a froth with a little thing like reality.
let us know how it turns out - plse take pics!!!
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Maybe neo-con means paranoid?
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"to protect those that come back from iraq, from the liberals. "
Your time would be better spent focusing on protecting the returning Iraq vets that might be critical of the war they just fought, from the hatefull attacks of people like yourself. How ever you might define yourself.
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excuse me...all I did was ask a question, .
and with respect you might want to take your head out of sand because the vicious language has begun a little .Who said it was going to get out of hand?
Where did you see rightous indignation or anywhere I said spitting or anything like that happened yet?
Now, the baby killing thing has been said about bush, well if you believe that ,then who is next in line?
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I am proud to call myself a liberal, and insinuating that I or people like me would call returning soldiers from Iraq or Afghanistan "baby killer" or anything similar just makes me want to say 2 words to you...
**** off.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I am proud to call myself a liberal, and insinuating that I or people like me would call returning soldiers from Iraq or Afghanistan "baby killer" or anything similar just makes me want to say 2 words to you...
**** off.
When you wallow in the mud, you become muddy...here are your liberal friends.
http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/
http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/idiots/
http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-bush/
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Originally posted by midnight Target
"I am proud to call myself a liberal..."
Wtg MT.
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Originally posted by Nash
Wtg MT.
Yeah, WTG MT! (Looks like your body hiding behind the sign..)
(http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/117-1743_IMG.JPG)
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Oh please!
Here are some of your "conservative" friends:
(http://www.celticmist.com/capt_kkk_rally_9mtmine.jpg)
(http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/1980_03.jpg)
(http://www.guerrillagirls.com/posters/images/march.gif)
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THere are more liberals than KKK members. We're doomed as a nation.
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I guess that sound you heard was the point wizzing on by. Posting picks of fringe idiots to make your point is well...... pointless.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I guess that sound you heard was the point wizzing on by. Posting picks of fringe idiots to make your point is well...... pointless.
All the (real) liberals I've met in person were fringe idiots. I think you just play one on the BBS.
Can't say I have met any KKK members, knowingly.
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Originally posted by demaw1
I have been invited to a meeting next week. This meeting is not just for vets but most are...It is to discuss whys to support the vets who have come out against kerrys vietnam record.. They and I guess I do also,believe the news media and dems are going to be vindictive and untruthfull about them.
More important, the main thrust of debate, is to see what they personally can do, to protect those that come back from iraq, from the liberals. Now this is more dear to my heart, It seems they want to stand up for the military, and stop those that would from spitting,calling them baby killers etc.
I thought I better say this isnt suppose to be some get your guns thing, just being a support ,barrier,thing. He did laugh and say someting like spiting might equal a bloody nose he he.
Anyway he said it seems because of the way the dems ,hollywood and the media are becoming there is a ground swell beginning, the saying being something like ,never again.
Has anyone else heard anything like this?
Geez, demaw. Are you that paranoid? I have to echo MT sentiments. The liberals are NOT spitting on troops, calling them babykillers or the like. I personally find it insulting that you insuate that I and other liberals do.
I am an american veteran and G**D*** proud of it. If anyone EVER dared to spit on, at, or in the general vicinity of a member of the armed services in my presence I would not hesitate 1 second before defending them by flattening the scum.
Yes, there is a groundswell. It's the nausea of the american people against the policies and actions of this administration. You see, the flag belongs to all americans, not just George W. Bush and his supporters.
Not that it matters, but have you ever served? I'm pretty sure I know the answer.
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Thanks ripsnort ,I would have done that but I dont know how yet.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
All the (real) liberals I've met in person were fringe idiots. .
Very true statement.
But I would have to say the exact same thing to be also true about any (real) conservatives I've met in person
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I am proud to call myself a liberal, and insinuating that I or people like me would call returning soldiers from Iraq or Afghanistan "baby killer" or anything similar just makes me want to say 2 words to you...
**** off.
Really? Maybe this is why demaw's meeting is necessary.
vet called babykiller (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/181422_robert09.html)
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Originally posted by Martlet
Really? Maybe this is why demaw's meeting is necessary.
vet called babykiller (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/181422_robert09.html)
WOOPS!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Martlet
Really? Maybe this is why demaw's meeting is necessary.
vet called babykiller (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/181422_robert09.html)
Neo-Con! Show me an article written by Kerry's paid campaign publicist and then I mightb belive you!!!!!
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(Crickets..)
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PONGO....MT.....RPM...
As much as I want to I am not going to use a bunch of dirty words....even as a kid I never had to, to feel tough.
Pongo I have always treated you with respect. Most of us didnt say much about the people who were against the war in vietnam when they came back. Isnt kerry a senator,wasnt carter a president....much more...
The difference is kerry being cic thats all. after years of being against the military, the hatefull things he said....now all sudden he is saluting,talking about nothing but his service.
whatever pongo.
MT...looking at my thread again I realized maybe I should have said far left, I didnt think about it.
Instead of posting as you did would it not have been better to ask me if I meant all liberals or far left liberals?
But then again what did the liberals like you do to stop the far left last time? AND
those that did spit on others,called out baby killers, attacked when it was always 3/4 on one...the people that did and said all that stuff in the 70s. Where they::::
1. conservatives
2. moderates
3. left
4. far left..
Come on have some guts, you are behind a screen,
easy question to understand ...answer it. Dont give me a red herring like that kkk stuff....just answer.And try not to misdirect.
R P M......
Paranoid ?? I said it was a question,that is all...I know some of the people that are going and they are not weird.One of them lost some of his face by a phos. granade going off.
Paranoid?? Are you saying this did not happen? What did normal liberals do to stop it? I just figured the libs did nothing last time so I didnt say liberals.
I know nothing about it, yes I am going is all, did you expect me to ask a liberal If they knew anything about it ?
Yes there is a ground swell .Its the nausea of the American people against the polices and actions of the democrats and liberals. The lies..and decit...and slander... from the mouths of democrat leaders and many liberals. From, It depends on the meaning of is, to kerry saying in his speaches last days ..
I know what war means I had to fight in NIXONS war....nixons??
The flag belongs to all Americans....Ive heard that before about late 60s and early 70s Paranoid?? ha.
No I decided I wont answer your last question cause I am insulted by it . You dont know by now you never will.
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All I can say is had I been there I'd have told them to STFU.
It is possible there was a miscommunication between the announcer and Jason Gilson. She denies being sarcastic and claims to only want to know which military action he was a veteran of to announce it.
The people yelling needed their arses kicked on the spot.
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Captain virgil sir....
I didnt know that, damn I knew it was starting.
PONGO, MIDNIGHT LIGHTS, R.P.M.
I changed my mind,This is what I say now,
F - C- YOU. I may be much older now but I will come
out from behind this screen anytime you
want....Skuzzy if you dont understand my
anger at this time then so be it.
I join those that will not let it happen again.
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The people who said that were IDIOTS! Not liberals or conservatives but IDIOTS.
The only red herring in this thread is the one you all created by lumping honest Americans who don't like the conservative mantra into the same gropup as those IDIOTS.
An apology and -- it is hoped -- healing on Bainbridge (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/182359_robert16.html)
Same author and paper as the above article.
A confession.
I am willing to bet my last shiny penny that if Gilson were marching in a Republican stronghold -- say, Midland, Texas -- and carrying a pro-Kerry sign, he would be barbecued faster than a longhorn steer.
Aside from not being a family value, intolerance is hardly partisan.
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So? The mayor apologized, the perps didn't. Like I said before, that's why demaw's group is having a meeting. You took offense and flapped your pie hole. You were wrong.
Live with it.
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RPM...........
You must have posted before I did, I take back the fact that I included you in the last post..I wouldnt say that just because of disagreement.....Only I the women saw the vietnam vet hes sixty , the gulf war vet is what 40... This kid was in his 20s anyone would know what war he was in...What else did you expect her to say?
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MT....
Thought so MT, no guts, cant answer simple question ,just a simple question ........which group?
At least I have tried to answer any question asked.
If anyone lumped anyone in anything it was me ,no one else but me.
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1st
to you for your service demaw.
Since you are a Vietnam Vet, you know there is a big difference between the Vietnam era and today. There were some ugly things going on in that war. Remember the My Lai massacre?
I did'nt support the war, but neither did I support those burning flags, spitting or calling troops "baby killers". But you can't deny those attrocities did happen by american hands, albeit in very rare instances. Those soldiers were not honorable and delt with by the UCMJ.
The reason I say paranoid is there is very high support for the troops today versus 1967. The majority of liberals (excluding the far left wackos, of which there are few) support the troops and want them to safely and succesfully complete their mission while at the very same moment disagree with the mission. Going after Saddam was the wrong move but the troops did'nt get to choose. Troops do the job they are asked to do. They do not get to pick their orders, only follow them. That's what makes them honorable.
If you don't like message, you don't shoot the messenger. You go for the author. That's why we are supporting Kerry. God as my witness, I'd rather have Kerry with his battle experiences than Bush with his training sorties as CIC. Kerry has been in the **** and seen men die up close. I feel he will be less of a loose cannon than GWB.
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Originally posted by demaw1
RPM...........
You must have posted before I did, I take back the fact that I included you in the last post..I wouldnt say that just because of disagreement.....Only I the women saw the vietnam vet hes sixty , the gulf war vet is what 40... This kid was in his 20s anyone would know what war he was in...What else did you expect her to say?
Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo? Lot of different recent battlegrounds. I see she wrote him a letter apologuising and explaining she did not intend to sound sarcastic.
The writer is correct about the Midland comment.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Any member of the American Armed Services been spat on or been called a baby killer lately?
nope didn't actually think so......but what the heck - why spoil a evening of righteous indignation getting your piss in a froth with a little thing like reality.
let us know how it turns out - plse take pics!!!
on east coast some dependant of deployed servicemen who were in iraq were harassed by "antiwar" protester. some kids of guys overseas were told that their daddies were bad for going to iraq and hurting iraqis. this happened early on in iraq war.
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Originally posted by rpm371
1st to you for your service demaw.
Since you are a Vietnam Vet, you know there is a big difference between the Vietnam era and today. There were some ugly things going on in that war. Remember the My Lai massacre?
I did'nt support the war, but neither did I support those burning flags, spitting or calling troops "baby killers". But you can't deny those attrocities did happen by american hands, albeit in very rare instances. Those soldiers were not honorable and delt with by the UCMJ.
The reason I say paranoid is there is very high support for the troops today versus 1967. The majority of liberals (excluding the far left wackos, of which there are few) support the troops and want them to safely and succesfully complete their mission while at the very same moment disagree with the mission. Going after Saddam was the wrong move but the troops did'nt get to choose. Troops do the job they are asked to do. They do not get to pick their orders, only follow them. That's what makes them honorable.
If you don't like message, you don't shoot the messenger. You go for the author. That's why we are supporting Kerry. God as my witness, I'd rather have Kerry with his battle experiences than Bush with his training sorties as CIC. Kerry has been in the **** and seen men die up close. I feel he will be less of a loose cannon than GWB.
my lai was isolated incident and was stopped by and reported by other us forces. if it was more common you can bet there would have been pictures taken by enemy for propoganda. truth is vc/nlf massacred more civilians in vn than us did by large margin. bush is not a loose cannon and president is advised by joint chiefs and other in military on all military action. if military think action not a good idea or time or plan not right they will say it and if cic blatantly ignored such advice you can bet that it would leak into press eventually. i am not critical of kerry military service in country but must say that four months in combat zone is not guranteed to make "hardened combat veteran". equating kerry as combat experienced like Marine rifleman with two tours in vn is not accurate.
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Originally posted by demaw1
RPM...........
You must have posted before I did, I take back the fact that I included you in the last post..I wouldnt say that just because of disagreement.....Only I the women saw the vietnam vet hes sixty , the gulf war vet is what 40... This kid was in his 20s anyone would know what war he was in...What else did you expect her to say?
demaw1 plenty of very combat experienced guys in their twenties. many of them two tours in afghanistan and two going on three in iraq.
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I'm a liberal. I'm also a veteran with ten years of service.
IMHO, the vets don't need protection.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm also a veteran with ten year's of service.
How many babies did you kill?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How many babies did you kill?
Every one I shot at. :p
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gurnhurz
gees gurnhurz
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The people who said that were IDIOTS! Not liberals or conservatives but IDIOTS.
The only red herring in this thread is the one you all created by lumping honest Americans who don't like the conservative mantra into the same gropup as those IDIOTS.
An apology and -- it is hoped -- healing on Bainbridge (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/jamieson/182359_robert16.html)
Same author and paper as the above article.
so what is your answer when democrat running for president accept support and endorse people like this? where was denouncement of bush equals hitler movie at moveon.org by democrat politician. democrat running for office use idiots you despise as attack dog. and you do nothing and say nothing.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Every one I shot at. :p
Is it true you just lead them a little bit less?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Is it true you just lead them a little bit less?
Exactly... just like the movie. ;)
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RPM.....Afghanistan...
Although I would put kosovo vets in their 30s by now I never the less forgot afghanistan.......I stand corrected....
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Originally posted by demaw1
MT....
Thought so MT, no guts, cant answer simple question ,just a simple question ........which group?
At least I have tried to answer any question asked.
If anyone lumped anyone in anything it was me ,no one else but me.
Huh? I answered your question. Go back and read.
What the heck is this guts thing? Are you an internet tough guy?
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Midnight.......Questions..... .
No you did not answer my question,Idiots was not a direct answer it was a typical liberal missdirection....Thats ok the mayor of city answered it for you.
Nor was I talking about Gilsen,but about Vietnam, which I am sure you understood.
The thread I started was honest....and since I did experance what happen during Vietnam era I thought it was starting up again.
You and others sat behind a screen and blasted me with words and tough sarcasm. Since I was serious and wanted a honest answer I didnt even include liberals.Tell me of the first 4 replys from liberals which was serious and honest and on subject. Of course except for RPM you all ended up with egg on your face.
After I looked at cap.virgils link I was vindicated...my gut feeling was right. I have since found more evidence. In my first post I ignored your name calling. After seeing the link, my dislike for almost everything liberals stand for came to the fore front . Thus my second post. When I found out I was wrong about rpm I said so and took it back....How does me saying you dont have the guts to answer a question, make me a cyber tough guy, when you dont answer the questions? Of couse you can set behind a screen and cuss people out and that makes you what??
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I guess that sound you heard was the point wizzing on by. Posting picks of fringe idiots to make your point is well...... pointless.
Mr pot, meet Mr kettle
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SUBAROS.......answer.....
I do hope you will read my post above.
1 5:18 pm
2 5:29 pm
3 5:51 pm
4 10:43 pm
5 11:51 pm.
It will maybe clear this up a little, and you will see that even in anger I will apologize if one is in order.
I do hereby formally apologize to Subaros, as it is warranted.
I dont know how I got him mixed up with Pongo, but be assured I did. Subaros had nothing to do with that particular thread.
Thanks demaw.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Mr pot, meet Mr kettle
See ... that little saying only works if I had done the above... sorry.
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Ahhhh the "idiots". The truely liberal:
(my favorite)
(http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/idiots/118-1857_IMG.JPG)
(this is one why liberals scare the hell out of me)
(http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/idiots/117-1737_IMG.JPG)
YUP....Even SATAN himself would be a better president for the US...ABB!
Yup those true colors really shine through on this one:
(http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/117-1723_IMG4.jpg)
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I reckon the troops' welfare would be better served being protected from the conservatives that send them off to war, rather than the liberals that don't want them to go. Call me a fringe weirdo, but I'd choose getting called a baby killer over getting shot at with AKs and RPGs ever time.
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Originally posted by demaw1
I have been invited to a meeting next week. This meeting is not just for vets but most are...It is to discuss whys to support the vets who have come out against kerrys vietnam record.. They and I guess I do also,believe the news media and dems are going to be vindictive and untruthfull about them.
OK go ahead and support these guys, you'll just look silly, or worse, in the end.
Here's a little info on Larry Thurlow of Swift Vets 'fame'. He's the one who states in that new rag out that they weren't under fire the day Kerry's actions got recognised.
See, Mr. Thurlow got a Bronz Star himself in that action.
This is hitting the media today...
In newspaper interviews and a best-selling book, Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in Vietnam, has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star for his actions that day.
But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act, contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla. Thurlow won his own Bronze Star that day, and the citation praises him for providing assistance to a damaged Swift boat "despite enemy bullets flying about him."
As one of five Swift boat skippers who led the raid up the Bay Hap River, Thurlow was a direct participant in the disputed events. He is also a leading member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a public advocacy group of Vietnam veterans dismayed by Kerry's subsequent antiwar activities, which has aired a controversial television advertisement attacking his war record.
more here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Maybe neo-con means paranoid?
Ain't it da truth.:aok
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Why does everyone care so much what veterinarians think about politics?
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Originally posted by demaw1
More important, the main thrust of debate, is to see what they personally can do, to protect those that come back from iraq, from the liberals.
Good thing the right wingers dont lie and play dirty.
Thurlow got a bronze star for the same action that Kerry did, and claims that Kerry didn't deserve his.
http://tinyurl.com/6l5pv