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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Grits on August 06, 2004, 03:32:59 PM
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AA Report Gunfighters Thursday Aug. 5th.
CO: Grits
Mishun: Intercept Buffs.
A two aircraft flight, well...not really a flight since one Gunfighter upped from the wrong field, and the other was 5 minutes late, but there were two of us in the air at the same time. At any rate, the CO, in an FW190A-8, climbed to 30k and remained a bit farther south than the other aircraft in the mission. Many enemy targets were sighted in sector 7.8.8, but these turned out to be P-51 decoy/scouts and were ignored. Seconds later members of JG54 sighted buffs and F4U escorts in sector 8.8.6 at approximately 12k, and the CO vectored to intecept. Upon seeing the Buffs, the Gunfighters CO completely lost his mind and against all known doctrine, saddled up behind a box of three B-17's at D400. Unbelievably, he somehow managed to kill one Fortress before being shredded by the gunners.
The fate of the other Gunfighter is unknown other than he was heard to salute his enemy on the way down in his flaming wreck of an aircraft. Service records for the Gunfighter known as "Oldman" are mysteriously missing, but his chivalry indicates that he may actually be a veteran of WWI.
Gunfighters portion of the mishun rated as moderate failure.
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:rofl We gotta love our grits.
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880 flew LW for this mission, and we're still trying to get the smell of LowenBrau and pickled pigs feet out of our uniforms
Took off from A72 and patrolled the sector assigned to us by Bear76. After being thankful we brought those DTs, the Allied horde began to cross the channel. We picked them up on DAR and noticed one group begining to be engaged to the West as another showed up to our North, to the North is where we found the bomber formations. It is always so neat to come across a mass formations of bombers like that. Bomber pilots.
But as we were setting up our attack on the buffs we were distracted by some F4us. Now even though we were in the War's finest high-alt interceptor, the Dora, I don't recall breaking 29k :) We were able to push the F4us down and then returned to chasing the buffs. Some of us were able to catch up with the formation and make 1 or 2 head on attacks, but most just contented themselves with chewing up the stragglers.
After that the bombers were pretty much decimated and were moving towards a friendly base, so we worked over the few remaining fighters in the area.
Still having fuel and ammo, we moved to 39 to intercept the fighters reported rolling out of there.
After a very long sortie, over an hour and a half, our fuel was tapped out and we rtb'ed.
Believe we landed over 10 kills with the lose of only one airframe. But everyone in the squad had a great time.
Sorry I'm not as funny as Grits.
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The shifts were changing in the hospital. The lights had been dimmed, and most of the patients slept. The older nurse, coming off duty, stood at the desk, filling out the last of her charts.
“How are they doing today, Frau Kuchler?” The pretty young nurse removed her own cloak and flashed a gleaming smile. So much to learn, thought Frau Kuchler. Well. Within a few months perhaps she would look less like a Hollywood movie star.
“The usual. Watch out for the new patient at the end of row five. They just brought him in this afternoon.”
The young nurse glanced at the chart. “Good lord, he’s older than my father. He may be older than my grandfather! One of the Volkssturm?”
Frau Kuchler chuckled. “He’s a pilot.”
“No.”
“Yes. It has come to that, I’m afraid. He’s badly burned. He was in a fight with American fighter planes today.”
“Why should I be careful of him, then?” The young nurse knew that while the burn patients were among the most seriously injured, they were usually passive.
“When he isn’t sleeping he’s delirious. He talks about ‘Grits.’ I think that must be a person, possibly his commander? I gather he thinks this Grits assigned him a dangerous aircraft.”
As if on cue, the bandage-swaddled patient at the end of the ward suddenly sat up, flailing his arms against the restraints. “It’s a death trap, Grits. They’ll murder me. Why do you want to murder me, Grits?” He was quiet.
Suddenly he screamed, a scream that jolted all the other patients awake. “I’m not flying that frigging A8 again!” And he collapsed.
The young nurse, plainly shaken, looked at Frau Kuchler.
“Don’t worry about it, dear. Perhaps he lured those Americans away from one of our good pilots. I’m sure it’s all for the best. Enjoy your shift.” And she walked out the door.
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Sorry I would give an AAR... but to many things going on.... will get my G-3 to write one.... Soon
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Originally posted by TheBug
880 flew LW for this mission, and we're still trying to get the smell of LowenBrau and pickled pigs feet out of our uniforms
Took off from A72 and patrolled the sector assigned to us by Bear76. After being thankful we brought those DTs, the Allied horde began to cross the channel. We picked them up on DAR and noticed one group begining to be engaged to the West as another showed up to our North, to the North is where we found the bomber formations. It is always so neat to come across a mass formations of bombers like that. Bomber pilots.
But as we were setting up our attack on the buffs we were distracted by some F4us. Now even though we were in the War's finest high-alt interceptor, the Dora, I don't recall breaking 29k :) We were able to push the F4us down and then returned to chasing the buffs. Some of us were able to catch up with the formation and make 1 or 2 head on attacks, but most just contented themselves with chewing up the stragglers.
After that the bombers were pretty much decimated and were moving towards a friendly base, so we worked over the few remaining fighters in the area.
Still having fuel and ammo, we moved to 39 to intercept the fighters reported rolling out of there.
After a very long sortie, over an hour and a half, our fuel was tapped out and we rtb'ed.
Believe we landed over 10 kills with the lose of only one airframe. But everyone in the squad had a great time.
Sorry I'm not as funny as Grits.
Post your photo that should be plenty funny!
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Once you are healed up from your injury`s the Luft Waffe will see to it that you are outfitted with a new(almost) 190 A9(almost) and send you back up to distract allied pilots once again.:p
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Originally posted by Oldman731
"... I gather he thinks this Grits assigned him a dangerous aircraft.”
Well, the idea was that the A-8's would be more dangerous to the buffs than us, but it didnt turn out quite like I had envisioned it. :)
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This is great guys. This is the stuff I like to read. Wish I was a poet. Anyway, I like to compare what I recall and what pothers recall and see just how dificult it really was to discribe what really happened. For example;
I knew we (VMF-312) were at 30k at least once. With all the banking and rolling looking for cons, we must have lost 5k and ended up at 25k. This has got to be the way it is in real life, trying to recal, accurately, the acounts that really happened. However, it could be that its just my memory that sucks..lol
Bug, I was watching the bar dar and knew someone had to be close. I knew stream was dealing with the guys that were painting the bar dar in his sector. I had a smaller bar dar in my sector and knew they had to be close. Thinking I was at 30k I was looking down instead of up. All of a sudden I saw I saw a cluster of red dots right on my 7ok. I rolled left and looked down. Then the bad news, I saw, out of the corner of my eye, red icons at about 2 to 3.0 on our high 7ok. I told the guys to break, keep you guys off the buffs, then do what they had to do to survive. Trying not to leave the bombers empty handed, I continued with them. I was the lone F4U trying to do what I could do to help the bombers. However, it didnt take long to get lower and indicating 200mph. Once I was no threat to the higher and faster attacking cons, I turned and headed home. If you recall seeing that lone F4U, tell me what you guys did!
Hawk
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Hehe I do remember that lone F4u, and I also remember cursing him!:D
Didn't really pay too much attention to you and just tried to keep you in the corner of my eye, hoping to sneak in when you got low or slow. Just figured your fate was inevtitable, with so many LW around.
But you did truly prevent us from focusing 100% on the bombers and that can be dangerous if you make a bad approach on that many guns. Also was tough trying to get in front of the buffs if we had to turn to avoid an f4u.
I was on lightly engaged with the F4us, knocking one down, but Warloc or Skyfoxx might have a clearer picture on the fight after the initial contact. Me and my wingman, trukjr, made more of an attempt to reach the buffs.
Hawk, was fun.
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I think its neat when things dont go to plans. The first rule of combat is your plan "never survives first contact with the enemy". The Allies had some problems with the buffs, but Im sure that kind of thing happened in RL too. What I find interesting is how we adapt to events that werent though of beforehand, and change our plans to fit. I had never thought that the buffs might divert to that base NE of Normandy if things went bad, but that was a pretty slick move.
These kinds of missions do a good job of demostrating the "fog of war" that pilots experienced in RL.
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I had 3 good head on passes with the buffs & got 2 kill credits.
Hawk in the lone corsair escort defenatley prevented me from making more .
After Hawk was tied up with TheBug, I tried to catch up with the buffs again for some more passes, but ran into a pair of high P-51's. I avoided a few BnZ attempts & headed towards the rest of 880 with the 2 P-51's in chase. After a couple minutes the mustangs broke off (& headed back towards the buffs I assume) & I re-joined 880.
After that we headed to CAP a field (A39 I believe) where the enemy was rolling from. We loitered for another 15mins. or so, then rtb'd to A38 due to low fuel.
Just after touch down at A38, the runway was straffed by P-51's, but I don't think they got anybody :rofl
It was a sucessful mission for 880 & good to see so much action in 1 sortie that lasted over an hour and a half.
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Somewhere someone said something about guys getting shot down and then reupping. This was somewaht solved, in that other game, by allowing only three lives. This is not as bad as it sounds. It makes guys think twice...ok, three times before making suicide attacks. Basicly you have two lives to do crazy stuff and then that last life to fly right or go to another arena for the rest of the night.
The lives thing was only for prime time hours say about 9pm eastern till midnight ewstern. The three lives also balances itself out with not having a "limited" departure time as dosed in SA events. Once guys take-off, the log is closed. "Target for Tonight" lasted untill WBIII came out, then it died off as did players.
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Re-upping came up after some of us got killed in the mission. I had misgivings about it since the Allies couldnt re-up and quickly get back into the action, while we were 1-1.5 sectors away. This was not really fair, but as it played out, the raid was so disrupted even before the first of the re-uppers got back that it only speeded the inevitable.
I can see in the future where this might swing the balance enough so that it might not be really fair or "sporting" as Bug put it. As I said before, I think most of the CT regulars, if asked beforehand, would not re-up after being killed until the mission was over one way or the other.
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Jg54 had a flight of 6 planes. Four 109's and two 110's. We upped from A72 to patrol sectors north of the Normandy beach.
Flights were assigned different altitudes to patrol from 25,000 ft to 10,000 ft. The high flight reported enemy fighters in the west sector. We pursed them into the eastern sector where we encounterd several B-17 formations at about 10,000 ft. I initiated the first pass followed by my wingman 2851. I reversed for another pass scoring hits. My final approach was on the trailing formation. I was able to down one bomber, but lost my engine in the attack. I was forced to make a safe ditch on the beach at A72. I don't think we lost any other pilots in the sortie. I did re-up to intercept a set of buffs low over V100. This was a loner formation not part of the allied mission.
It was a well planned mission and I think our dividing into separate sectors worked in our favor and enabled us to have a broad coverage of all avenues to the Normandy beach. Well done by all
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I'm having a heck of a time getting my film viewer to work without crashing, but I did manage to grab some images from the 1st half of the film roll. Thought I'd post a couple images here from the CT mission Thursady night.
(http://home.alltel.net/hensons/skyfoxx1.jpg)
(http://home.alltel.net/hensons/warloc1.jpg)
(http://home.alltel.net/hensons/trukjr3.jpg)
You can find several more at this site (http://home.alltel.net/hensons/880pics.html).
I hope to be able to post more to this page if my film viewer will allow.
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That F4U or U's getting thier wings hit must have been Memnon and MVJester(warhawg)
The F4U leaking fuel was Phaser, he RTBed and ditched at the CV.
The Single F4U with the Bombers was me.
Dont know who or where the P-47 came from.
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erm... i was in a FW190-A8 with the 30mm option, 75 % fuel (figured that'd be enough for an hour, if the allies hadnt visited by then, they werent going too lol)
I took out 2 b17's and 1 p47 with several assists and rtb'd safely although i was on fumes by the time i landed. damage to the A/C was very light with only a couple of .50 holes in the starboard wing.
That was good fun, Tension, Knowing their coming, But not knowing exactly where, Excitement and the chase to get an advantagious position to attack, And then you hold your breath as you attack because them .50's hurt. And finally the relief as you RTB safely.
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I think the low altitude actualy helped for that mission. The bombers were lower than expected by the LW and may have allowed them to get a bit closer to the target. It still didnt take long for the LW to remove the escorts. Ten escorts may not have been enough :D
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I was in a 110 with good altitude and speed as the bombers were sighted and reported I CTD'd. It took me a few minutes to relog. I started up again only to be pounced by elements of the 325th which were delighted to find a lone 110 beneath them. I was able to drag several to a lower altitude. There I met a firey death in a hail .50 cal.
Maybe we need more of everything, bombers, escorts and opposition. I suspect that as word spreads of the fun these well planned missions generate we will see more of our MA neighbors showing up to participate.
I will gladly start an aleve fund for Stream if that will keep him planning and executing this type of mission. I'm truly looking forward to Thursday night.