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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on August 07, 2004, 02:21:52 PM
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Hitech and chums,
here is a very simple solution to the ditching rule.
As long as you land in friendly territory (IE: closer to a green base than a red base) then you should be able to leave (like when you eject on the floor) your aircraft and walk home. (if in enemy territory then you would surely be picked up by *non existent* ground troops)
On many occasions i have ejected after ditching and walked around, sometimes spying on enemy bases and sometimes trying to walk home. i believe you should be able to walk to your airbase and succesfully complete the flight. Also it would be great if you could eject from your plane, and join one of your friendlies in his GV without having to end flight. imagine how much more realistc it would be.
If the player that gives you a lift is killed, though, then you should also be killed however, unlike the gunner/observer rule.
But if when you actually come to the .ef command your little man is standing on the runway or in a hanger etc (therefore no need to change the ditch/land programing) then he has crashed his plane but made it home. ie: showing his kills in the text buffer.
Essentially what i mean is:
you can park your plane anywhere on the airfield, but its where you pilot walks to that counts for the landing.
personally i am not too bothered that a change be made, but as it seems to bug some, and i must admit, me, when i land 2 feet from my runway and get a ditch, then it may be worth trying the 'get out and walk home' rule?
what do ya think?
what do all you players think also?
batfink
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So, like, if Lindbergh had ditched short of the coast the swam ashore and walked to Paris he would have still been credited with the first transatlantic crossing?
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I have no problem the way it is now, but I do agree that often sliding 2 feet off the runway with a bunch of kills is very annoying. A change to that would be nice, but the rest seems alittle elaborate. Maybe in future AH2 after all the bugs and some new developments have been worked out.
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HAHAH :) arlo, very true, but i was mearly saying this as a small input for those who do have strong feelings for the ditch/landing rule.
as a spit mkV dweeb myself, i rarely even make it home, let alone worry about landing! :p
as far as i am concerned, its fine how it is.
just an idea, that became over elaborate, like you say BlueJ
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but you still lost the plane in your scenario.
no punishment in perks or score for losing a plane?
i know it gets gray when on an airfield, but possibly 10 miles away??
personally on an airfield if you wrecked the plane enough where you can't manuever on to the runway it is a plane lost (major repairs needed)
if it's just gas, well thats a touchy subject. how do you code the game to know that the reason for being 5 feet of the runway is because of gas???
i dont think it is possible, therefore leave the "ditched" thing the way it is. though frustrating sometimes, it is the most accurate way it can be done IMHO
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Originally posted by JB73
but you still lost the plane in your scenario.
no punishment in perks or score for losing a plane?
i know it gets gray when on an airfield, but possibly 10 miles away??
personally on an airfield if you wrecked the plane enough where you can't manuever on to the runway it is a plane lost (major repairs needed)
if it's just gas, well thats a touchy subject. how do you code the game to know that the reason for being 5 feet of the runway is because of gas???
i dont think it is possible, therefore leave the "ditched" thing the way it is. though frustrating sometimes, it is the most accurate way it can be done IMHO
agreed.
was just an idea that hit me whilst sitting here brooding that you guys can all play and my new PC is still not ready! :mad:
PS: you stole the HTC avatar 73?? getting risky eh?
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Originally posted by mechanic
PS: you stole the HTC avatar 73?? getting risky eh?
stole?
i took the original AH classic splash screen image re-colored it to my tastes and shrunk it.
i even made a new splash screen for AHII here:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125948
i love the "old" logo, and am currently in the market for a new avatard.. this is my interum one every time
call me a fanboy if you want LOL i just like the look of it.
if HTC people think it is misleading to clients of the BBS, so be it, i will remove it. i have no allusions to being part of the "staff" and hope by the different color people know i a not one of them.
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I think, and it's just my opinion.......
Land on the designated area (pavement..IE runway on a filed) or accept the ditch.
If you want to land on grass and have it accepted as a landing, come on over to the CT. Many of the scenarios there have grass fields.
I agree with Arlo. If you haver to walk back to the field without your aircraft, you have ditched.
RTR
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Originally posted by JB73
stole?
i took the original AH classic splash screen image re-colored it to my tastes and shrunk it.
i even made a new splash screen for AHII here:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125948
i love the "old" logo, and am currently in the market for a new avatard.. this is my interum one every time
call me a fanboy if you want LOL i just like the look of it.
if HTC people think it is misleading to clients of the BBS, so be it, i will remove it. i have no allusions to being part of the "staff" and hope by the different color people know i a not one of them.
:D
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Besides ... you get full credit for kills when you ditch. You get 1.5 credit if you land. So all that landing kills gains you is "exaggerating your successes" and some buffer brag text. :D
(p.s. I land them any chance I get)
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buffer brag text is my favorite bit of the game besides actualy flying :lol
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Originally posted by mechanic
buffer brag text is my favorite bit of the game besides actualy flying :lol
Then landing on runways is likely a good idea..:D
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Originally posted by detch01
Then landing on runways is likely a good idea..:D
ROFL :D
VOTE ARLO 2004
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Jackal .... if elected I promise to maintain the status quo while I enjoy myself immensely at the taxpayer's expense. I won't even attempt to conceal the fact.
My mottos:
"Change is bad unless it's something I think needs changin'."
"Couldn't hoit!"
"You could do worse, yaknow. Probably have, if you think about it."
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Originally posted by RTR
I think, and it's just my opinion.......
Land on the designated area (pavement..IE runway on a filed) or accept the ditch.
If you want to land on grass and have it accepted as a landing, come on over to the CT. Many of the scenarios there have grass fields.
I agree with Arlo. If you haver to walk back to the field without your aircraft, you have ditched.
RTR
I agree...walking sucks.
But, like I suggested to HT in another thread...
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Originally posted by hitech
How about I change the ditched message to you have landed. And change the landed message to you have landed on a runway.
HiTech
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HT,
Just a suggestion...
...leave the messages as they are now, but count a "safe landing" as any landing that occurs within the boundaries of the airfield. I'm sure that, in WW2, many aircraft had to be towed back to the hangar after a rough emergency landing in the grass. But the pilot wasn't docked a kill or two because of where he landed the plane.
A landing anywhere else definitely deserves to be called a "ditch."
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Originally posted by Arlo
Jackal .... if elected I promise to maintain the status quo while I enjoy myself immensely at the taxpayer's expense. I won't even attempt to conceal the fact.
My mottos:
"Change is bad unless it's something I think needs changin'."
"Couldn't hoit!"
"You could do worse, yaknow. Probably have, if you think about it."
Before we get you elected be sure to watch the 3 CD set training films narrated by Bill C. entitled " Of Interns and Cigars". :D
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
HT,
Just a suggestion...
...leave the messages as they are now, but count a "safe landing" as any landing that occurs within the boundaries of the airfield.
.........Or he could just leave them as they are and when we come limping in for a landing and collapse a gear to go skidding off the runway, we could just stick another pin into our "Dale" voodoo doll. ......................Errrrrr rrrr ummmmmm........everyone does have one of them, don`t they?
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. DOH! I just looked and I have been sticking the wrong doll. I`ve been using the "Roy" doll.
That`s why I heard the leg broke off off Skuzz`s BBQ pit the last time he used it. :D
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I hope I'm never your enemy, Jackal. :lol
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JB73 - its possible. The questions is: Is HTC capable of coding it?
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And the real answere for why it is not changing.
Landing is suppose to be a goal, wanting to survive and make it back to base, and acctualy land on the runway is suppose to be a challeng. Making the area bigger just dimishises the reward for accomplishing a task. So those requesting bigger areas, are you saying you suck so bad , you can't even land your plane on a runway?
As to the fuel idea, how is screwing up and not saving gas to get back to base any different then getting damaged, infact shouldn't be the other way around?
Isn't it more of a chalange landing a plane with a missing wing piece on the base?
Vehicles are a different issue. I never have been able to come up with an solution Im happy with.
HiTech
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Not really HT.
I think it very challenging to land a plane on the grass at an feild that the NME is swarming. And it should be rewarded.
Why not got to another field? The HOARD these days are making that a rare option.
Sometimes when trying to get to another base after trying to defend the base followed by eminent capture you get cut off by 5 Rooks...oops...i mean 5 nme. :D
So you are forced into a hot landing at the NME caped base and PRONTO!!!
Making it inside the boundaries of the airfield and on the grass without damage to the AC would be very appropriately scored as a safe landing.
Not asking anything unreasonable in that scenario.
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Ahh so Mugzeeee, Your saying you just want it to be easier .
HiTech
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No im not
see edit. LOL
...best to let Rooks just have at the MA at will. Why bother trying to defend till the last minute?
Thats what it has become anyway.
If Game Play isnt an issue any more..Just say so. And i will accept it.
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Originally posted by hitech
Ahh so Mugzeeee, Your saying you just want it to be easier .
HiTech
:D
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Reminds me, when I started playing AW I would turn my plane off the runway like I learned when taking flying lessons. When I joined a squad Icy the CO was checking my score and asked me why I had so many ditches. :eek:
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I think if you put your plane on the airfield at all, it should count as a successful flight, whether it is on the runway or not, as long as you are on the airfield. I don't agree about ditching and then walking to base. Being picked up by someone in a GV would be interesting though.
In real life, a pilot that wrecked his plane on landing because of damage, etc and lived was not penalized for his kills. No one got in trouble because they tore up the belly of the plane because they had no landing gear, or only one, or half a wing...everyone was happy they even made it home alive.
Maybe HT could add another dimension to the game...rescue units. Send out a PT boat or an m16/m3 type vehicle to retrive downed pilots (if someone is so inclined)....very much like folks taking vehicle supplies out to his buddies during a GV fight. I don't imagine that would be a difficult thing to do.
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Originally posted by Warp
In real life, a pilot that wrecked his plane on landing because of damage, etc and lived was not penalized for his kills. No one got in trouble because they tore up the belly of the plane because they had no landing gear, or only one, or half a wing...everyone was happy they even made it home alive.
Well now .... if a pilot never brought a plane back I'm sure there were other penalties that the game can't mimic. A desk transfer, for instance. And maybe a nickname "Lucky" - but luck only goes so far.
I think it's giving leeway that you can belly in your plane on the runway everytime and not get penalized for causing the squadron maintenance crews to have to devote 50% of their time on your planes alone.
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Nice try mugzee, I dissagree with you and you 1. accuse me of not caring about game play and 2. Bring in the country number whine all in one sweep, I'd give it a 7.5.
HiTech
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yall should just be glad he doesnt make you taxi to a hanger
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Originally posted by hitech
And the real answere for why it is not changing.
Landing is suppose to be a goal, wanting to survive and make it back to base, and acctualy land on the runway is suppose to be a challeng. Making the area bigger just dimishises the reward for accomplishing a task. So those requesting bigger areas, are you saying you suck so bad , you can't even land your plane on a runway?
As to the fuel idea, how is screwing up and not saving gas to get back to base any different then getting damaged, infact shouldn't be the other way around?
Isn't it more of a chalange landing a plane with a missing wing piece on the base?
Vehicles are a different issue. I never have been able to come up with an solution Im happy with.
HiTech
HT,
THANK YOU for actively participating in this thread. Your company's customer service has always been top-notch. :aok
I figured that this was the concept that you were following when you designed the landing strategy for AH. However, please realize that there are many times when we've flown 10+ minutes just to limp back to base on one engine, leaking fuel & oil, etc (sound like enough effort to achieve the goal you speak of?) and ended up losing the full value of several kills because the emergency landing didn't go quite right. Now, step back to WW2...a damaged fighter plane returns to base with every desire to make it back safely - just as WE do in AH - and the plane skids off of the runway and into the grass within the airfield perimeter. In real life, this WW2 fighter pilot would be awarded his kills and labelled a 'Hero' for getting the damaged bird back - whether he was on the runway, on a taxiway or the grass.
If you afforded us the same rewards for making the full effort to return - whether the landing was perfect or not - you would be mimicking real life in a sense. Now, yes, there may be some people who abuse the larger landing area by making a quick 'ditch', but you know what -- these dweeb tards are already out there 'gaming-the-game' right now, and they will continue to cut corners in every way possible no matter how hard you try to control them. But, by forcing a pavement landing, you're cheating those of us who deserve credit for making the full effort just so you can ineffectively control the gamers.
Who deserves your attention more - the harcore combat simmer or the dweeb gamer who will game-the-game anyway until he cancels his account because Doom 3 or Need For Speed - Bling bLiNg PimPin' in Da' HoOd Edition was just released?
P.S.: Oh, and HT...PLEASE take a second to read the GREEN portion of my signature, too. ;)
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Originally posted by Warp
Maybe HT could add another dimension to the game...rescue units. Send out a PT boat or an m16/m3 type vehicle to retrive downed pilots (if someone is so inclined)....very much like folks taking vehicle supplies out to his buddies during a GV fight. I don't imagine that would be a difficult thing to do.
Sounds like a good addition to the game. I know that - when I'm having a particularly frustrating day in the air - I'd be more than happy to drive 10 minutes to pick-up a squaddy and return him to base if it saved his 5 kills.
Plane ditches & pilot exits plane.
GV pulls up, opens the rear door, & pilot walks through the door and is "joined."
GV drives back to base, parks on the airfield.
Pilot walks out the rear door and gets credit for his kills.
Very cool! Great idea, Warp. :)
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extending the "landing zone" by about 3.5 meters around the runway would probably be enough...most people only get upset when 1 wheel slips on the edge of the runway and they lose there brag text...
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When I ditch (depends if theres a nme around) I taxi around and taxi to the runway if I misjudge my glide slope upon landing.
Falcon
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Originally posted by Arlo
So, like, if Lindbergh had ditched short of the coast the swam ashore and walked to Paris he would have still been credited with the first transatlantic crossing?
No, all he would have had to do way get to dry land :D
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Landing on the grass 2 ft from your runway shouldn't count as a ditch. Anywhere on the airfield should count, imo.
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TBolt A-10, that was my idea from another post. Good to see others are thinking the same as me tho.
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Originally posted by hitech
Nice try mugzee, I dissagree with you and you 1. accuse me of not caring about game play and 2. Bring in the country number whine all in one sweep, I'd give it a 7.5.
HiTech
Do you think it more of a challenge to land on the concrete on a base that isn't under attack as opposed to landing in the grass within the confines of a base that has fallen under heavy attack while you were defending? All while the swarm is trying to blow you apart before you can escape to the tower?
In this scenario it is very much a gameplay issue.
Its all one in the same. Very appropriatly linked together.
BTW do you have any plans to devise a device to balance numbers? Or No?
Id like a direct answer on the issue.
Thanks
Originally posted by Falcon
When I ditch (depends if theres a nme around) I taxi around and taxi to the runway if I misjudge my glide slope upon landing.
Falcon
falcon dont try going to the tower when NME overhead even while sitting on the grass of an friendly airfield. Because even if you havent taken damage, the NME will score a kill on you.
But if you are on the concrete or runway and have taken damage...you will get a sucessfull landing.
More Score logic. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
BTW do you have any plans to devise a device to balance numbers? Or No?
Id like a direct answer on the issue.
Thanks
Mugzeee,
Hitech shouldn't have to do anything to balance the numbers. If balanced numbers are desired, it's up to the community to take care of that. And, often, the community does. It's very common to see entire squadrons change countries for the sake of better balance between countries.
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Arlo,
There are no repair crews working on any planes in the game and you aren't penalized for damaging the plane when landing ON the runway (hell, I skid in on my belly intentionally to save stopping time, especially when the field is under attack). As well, there are no real "deaths", you get shot down, you hop in another plane and go again...and no limits on number of aircraft available. No penalties whatsoever for any of that, so why should landing in the grass on the airfield be any different?
The point is, people keep bringing realistic situations in to the discussions to bolster their arguement, and nothing wrong with that, but my point is, if you want realism, it should be equitable across the board and not selective to suit your personal tastes.
I have no problem with game play concessions, like only getting partial credits for kills if you die and don't return to base...that makes sense (actually, I'm surprised you get any credit at all), but to make someone lose points for not stopping on a runway is kind of silly in my opinion. Seems a bit nit picky and certainly a point of frustration (obviously) for many.
I admire HT for taking steadfast approaches to certain things, but sometimes I am a bit bewildered when his steadfastness doesn't make any sense.
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Who needs runways? Land at the VH :D
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I agree about the goal and the challenge HT. That was my main point of the landing on a battle ship.
A. My goal was to land my kills
B. It is a hell of a challenge to land on the back of a Battle Ship.
So why then would you only award a ditch message blowing both your gaol and challenge.
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Originally posted by Warp
Arlo,
There are no repair crews working on any planes in the game and you aren't penalized for damaging the plane when landing ON the runway (hell, I skid in on my belly intentionally to save stopping time, especially when the field is under attack).
I believed I pretty well covered that. :D
Originally posted by Warp
As well, there are no real "deaths", you get shot down, you hop in another plane and go again...and no limits on number of aircraft available. No penalties whatsoever for any of that, so why should landing in the grass on the airfield be any different?
Or even crashing ... or blowing up in the air. Hell, I don't think there's even really a point to having points. I find the buffer brag text and woohoos and kudos for players "landing" 2 ship gun kills
funny. When I get attaboys for landing 2 kills in one I'm like "Uh .. gee ... thanks ... it was a damned gun. :lol
Originally posted by Warp
The point is, people keep bringing realistic situations in to the discussions to bolster their arguement, and nothing wrong with that, but my point is, if you want realism, it should be equitable across the board and not selective to suit your personal tastes.
Kinda like the "realistic argument" that pilots in WWII who made it back alive without their planes weren't penalized the way we are in AHII?
Originally posted by Warp
I have no problem with game play concessions, like only getting partial credits for kills if you die and don't return to base...that makes sense (actually, I'm surprised you get any credit at all), but to make someone lose points for not stopping on a runway is kind of silly in my opinion. Seems a bit nit picky and certainly a point of frustration (obviously) for many.
It's been that way since day one. The runway is the endzone. No endzone, no touchdown.
Originally posted by Warp
I admire HT for taking steadfast approaches to certain things, but sometimes I am a bit bewildered when his steadfastness doesn't make any sense.
Makes perfect sense .... just not to those who don't make it to the runway very often. :D
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Mugzeee,
Hitech shouldn't have to do anything to balance the numbers. If balanced numbers are desired, it's up to the community to take care of that. And, often, the community does. It's very common to see entire squadrons change countries for the sake of better balance between countries.
I would love to reply to your reply...But i realize that in doing so i will further Hijack this thread. And i have already done so and sorry about it.
We shall meet on another thread.
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is it possible for individual replies to be deleted?
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As Mechanics Wingman and CO....I can attest to his dieing before landing. I know from expeirance because he drags me kicking and screaming with him.....:rofl
Its all good ideas..but..Since it wont change..why not practice landing:aok
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Originally posted by RedTop
Its all good ideas..but..Since it wont change..why not practice landing:aok
I'd like to think that HT would at least consider the points that we're trying to make here. I think he's reasonable enough to make a change when it makes sense. :)
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That 10 lb. block of butter is not going to help you stay on the runway, mister! :D
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Originally posted by hitech
Vehicles are a different issue. I never have been able to come up with an solution Im happy with.
HiTech
What exactly are you not happy with?
What constitutes a ditch, capture or landing in a GV?
eskimo
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Originally posted by vorticon
extending the "landing zone" by about 3.5 meters around the runway would probably be enough...most people only get upset when 1 wheel slips on the edge of the runway and they lose there brag text...
:lol that has happened to me more times (especialy with the new oil on the windshield thing) i think if any part of ur plane is on the runway :ie wingtips,it should be a landing.
Also,it would be great to have a single key to hit to exit ur plane,its time consuming to get ur mouse icon on the tower to exit the plane,the dot ef is just as bad
I think move the tower button to the bottom of the list and make it bigger,i have gotten vulched alot!!after landing while trying to get outta my plane moving my hand from my stick to the mouse,:( maybe make it hitting -shift e- or -alt e- or somthing to that effect to exit plane would be an improvement and faster:D just a thought .Sawman