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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Groth on August 08, 2004, 12:28:16 AM
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I've seen alot of flyers drop out. Seems they can't AFFORD to spend money on their graphics, AND pay $15 bucks a month.....
SOMEONE will bring an online flight sim that the average guy can fly.... lack of subscribers killed AW. If you can't play, why pay?
I'm the only member of my squad that's played every week since ahII. I like it. I'll plug along. I'm NOT spending money to improve hicktits bottom line, but someone else, w/ more sense, will...
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This is just erraneous on so many levels.
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Originally posted by Groth
I've seen alot of flyers drop out. Seems they can't AFFORD to spend money on their graphics, AND pay $15 bucks a month.....
SOMEONE will bring an online flight sim that the average guy can fly.... lack of subscribers killed AW. If you can't play, why pay?
I'm the only member of my squad that's played every week since ahII. I like it. I'll plug along. I'm NOT spending money to improve hicktits bottom line, but someone else, w/ more sense, will...
You won't spend the money that someone with more sense would????
I don't think that sentence means what you think it does.
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Hahahaha...this is a funnany.
Newflash:
Doom3 just release with awesome new graphics that most can't play.
Halflife 2 due to be released with even more awesome graphics that no one will be able to play.
OP2, et al are all coming out with graphics that are beyond most peoples machines yet someone (not naming names) beetches because people can't play AHII.
Get a grip, a new computer, or at least a reality check. HTC is actually making sure that the most people are able to play AH compared to other games never to mention the other flight sims.
BTW, have you tried to play IL-2 lately?
If you can't AFFORD to spend money on graphics then I suppose you probably aren't playing many current games on your computer.
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Perhaps you could come off the mountain, and list them. Such a vociferouis, intelligent being should be able to enumerate them with out breaking a sweat?
Oh, I forgot, you have the 'UBER' system. We all be dweebs at your feet, oh great .....what?
Come on, we've heard you spew on people who've had to listen to your contracted version of reality. You're sooooooooooooooooooooooo helpful.
Be helpful now. Or you just flamin'....................as usual.
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Like I said, SOMEONE with more brains WILL make one the 'clueless' can play.
This is an important topic, not to you apparently.
And on it goes.......
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This is an important topic, not to you apparently.
Is it? I can't figure out what it is you are crying about.
AH2 requires no more of a system then any other modern game. Quite a bit less then most.
Its not like it will cost "thousands of dollars" to build a PC that will play Ah2 rock steady.
How come no one complains of this type of garbage when other games upgrade?
Sounds like someone has PC envy...
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Money
It's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bllchit
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Originally posted by Groth
Perhaps you could come off the mountain, and list them. Such a vociferouis, intelligent being should be able to enumerate them with out breaking a sweat?
Oh, I forgot, you have the 'UBER' system. We all be dweebs at your feet, oh great .....what?
Come on, we've heard you spew on people who've had to listen to your contracted version of reality. You're sooooooooooooooooooooooo helpful.
Be helpful now. Or you just flamin'....................as usual.
oh man come on .....
I'm playing on my 3+ yr old system most of the time
1.3 ghz amd
512 ram
it was a GF 2 mx 400 (which was playable ) i upgraded to a 85 dollar 9550 256mb ati card . (it plays great now along with waking up some of my other games )
Here i'll put it in simple terms ...
How much do you spend on new games each year ???
(game cube/playstation ect .. games included )
I spend about 150 a year on games (alot of used ones at the seconds store)
How much have you spent on your PC in the last 3 to 4 years ?
(i have around 450 in this old pc plus the 85 for the new card , thats not to bad for over 3 years of hard gaming and enjoyment )
Hell most of use can spend that just going out in less then 2 months .
So whats the big deal about a little pc upgrading ???
btw video cards are super cheap right now .
most guys just needed a video card upgrade .. and the ones that needed a faster pc were way over due ... ( or they bought a word processor instead of a gamer , there is a difference)
So I guess I'll take my "UBER System" and go play with the big Dogs ... (hint mine still gets off the porch )
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Stupid thread of the month.
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I stoped AH to play FB-AEP, so it's not that my computer cannot handle AH2 :D I left for the gameplay first, graphics second.
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Same Frenchy... AEP only.
What servers do you fly on? Do you still fly with the 56th guys in Jugs? What do you think of the jugs in 2.04?
I never could shoot your arse down in AH but would love to cram a 30mm up your arse to revenge the Big Week Scenario...:)
Damn Allied Opportunist :p
Anyway a few of us fly over on HL. My nic is 4./JG53_Wotan.
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Originally posted by Groth
I've seen alot of flyers drop out. Seems they can't AFFORD to spend money on their graphics, AND pay $15 bucks a month.....
SOMEONE will bring an online flight sim that the average guy can fly.... lack of subscribers killed AW. If you can't play, why pay?
I'm the only member of my squad that's played every week since ahII. I like it. I'll plug along. I'm NOT spending money to improve hicktits bottom line, but someone else, w/ more sense, will...
we live in free country,
if you dont like it dont pay , stop fly and stop complaining
or earn 300$ for new PC wichone can handle AH2
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Originally posted by Groth
... lack of subscribers killed AW.
Wrong! EA killed AW! The rot started when they got rid of volunteer staff as well as most of the contracted staff; as it happened just before they started charging, many simply did not subscribe and left the game. So, although there was a lack of subscribers, it was EA's actions that caused it and it was they who ultimately pulled the plug.
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Originally posted by Seraphim
Money
It's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bllchit
...New car, caviar, four star daydream,
think I'll buy me a football team!
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"one the 'clueless' can play"
Like an arcadish arcade game? While Crimson Skies may be too complex try this one....
(http://www.wwiifighterpilot.com/images/pac_09_400.gif)
http://www.wwiifighterpilot.com/
Another, a classic called Zaxxon, would fit your bill but even that I think might have been too challenging for "the clueless".
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Originally posted by Seraphim
Money
It's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bllchit
Ahhh god the memories ! Purple ceiling lights and saggy bean bags!
Pink Floyd are coming to Canberra on 11 Sept and im gonna be there! W00T !
oh....Aces High bbs b*tch slappin....umm.....pray continue :)
P.S. When AW died, was there a horrible red screen of death that pervaded all pilots screens? LOL. God I hated that.
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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Ahhh god the memories ! Purple ceiling lights and saggy bean bags!
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That`s strange. I definitely remember them bean bags being rather perky in those days......................... .or were you referring to the chairs?
Ahhhh the mammaries. :D
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Originally posted by Flossy
Wrong! EA killed AW! The rot started when they got rid of volunteer staff as well as most of the contracted staff; as it happened just before they started charging, many simply did not subscribe and left the game. So, although there was a lack of subscribers, it was EA's actions that caused it and it was they who ultimately pulled the plug.
Flo...
Because you're a lady, I will be more polite :). While you are correct that Groth is wrong, you are incorrect as to the cause for the demise of AW. EA did not 'kill' Air Warrior, they merely presided over they merely presided over the funeral. AW was dying from neglect long before EA bought the product. Newscorp tried to use AW as a cash cow for years. All the while, slicing off the occasional 'side of beef' to support the development of new products. Could EA have 'saved' AW? After the AW:Vietnam debaucle, an attempt was made (anyone remember the great dog & pony show at the Indy con?). Sadly, it was too far gone.
Flo, I was head of informal training when Cris went online. When AW moved to AOHell and Compuserve, I became head of all AW training. I was the first Game Op (both on AOHell and in the AWII beta which became Gamestorm). All the while, I was hearing from my bosses how AW development was being mismanaged by the Newscorp bean counters. My bosses included Blue Baron, Centurion and Moggy. I really do have a couple of clues on this subject :).
Bottomline, it was greed that killed AW and if you want to point fingers....try flippin' one Rupert Murddock's way :).
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Welcome to the wonderful world of fast paced technology development. If you're going to play games on a computer, expect to spend money to keep up. AH is THE reason I upgrade my system on a semi-regular basis.
Still, as mentioned, in the world of current games, AH has far less hardware requirements than most. HT and crew have done a great job of providing strong and enjoyable game play without requiring a top-of-the-line system to do it. Hell, this game is even playable on a dial-up connection! Can you say that for most of the online games out there today?
Does high end equipment make things better? To some degree, yes...but if you are willing to understand those differences, it doesn't really take away from game play if your video card or processor can't handle 6x AA, maxed out mip-mapping detail and so on. Even with lower settings, AH is perfectly fine and completely playable at a competitive level.
Of course, everyone has their threshhold of what is considered "too much" for a hardware upgrade, and that's understandable. $80 for some might be nothing, and completely out of the question for others, but bottom line is, you can upgrade to decent hardware that will play the game well for not much money. Birthdays and Christmas are excellent opportunities to get yur system upgraded. For that matter, if you want that new video card bad enough, go mow some lawns, or find some odd job you can make some cash, or start stashing a few dollars here and there...pocket change in the jar, etc. It adds up quick.
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AHII System Requirements (from the AH page):
Windows 98/ME/2K/XP
DirectX 9.0b
32M video card that supports hardware T&L
P850 or better
Joystick, sound card and speakers
Not that UBER in my opinion. I have a system that is almost five years old that plays AHII
Originally posted by Groth
Like I said, SOMEONE with more brains WILL make one the 'clueless' can play.
I guess you are saying that someone smarter than Dale will make a flight sim that caters to the people who have dated machines? That also will include both gameplay and graphics that not only will entice a new audience but also retain them for the long haul?
This seems like a really, really silly idea. Sorry if I'm gruff, but I don't suffer people with extremely silly ideas very well. Or people acting silly either.
Lastly, as far as HTC losing the people who cannot afford to 'update' (read buy a new $85 video card for) their system...I think HTC would lose many more subscribers if they didn't update the graphics.
I'm not really an ass, I just play one in real life.
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Hmm, let's compare AH2 buglist to Doom3s...oh wait...its a finished product and got tested before being pushed out the door and called "Complete".
Im sure Ah2 will be a great game, someday.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Could EA have 'saved' AW? After the AW:Vietnam debaucle, an attempt was made (anyone remember the great dog & pony show at the Indy con?). Sadly, it was too far gone.
Well, from what I remember, AW4 was being worked on right up until EA closed down Kesmai Studios in October 2001. I remember watching Spiffy demonstrate it at our UK Con in September 2001, and it was looking really good by then:
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_01.jpg)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_02.jpg)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_03.jpg)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_04.jpg)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_05.jpg)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_06.jpg)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/Combat_Damage_07.jpg)
Flo, I was head of informal training when Cris went online. When AW moved to AOHell and Compuserve, I became head of all AW training. I was the first Game Op (both on AOHell and in the AWII beta which became Gamestorm).
I was a Game Assistant from September 1999 until March 2001 and loved giving something back to the game which had given me so much enjoyment. When we were all dismissed by EA - with very little warning - in March 2001, I felt like I'd been kicked in the stomach! I very nearly left the game at that point (as many others did, in disgust!) but my love of AW was so great that I went ahead and subscribed the following month.All the while, I was hearing from my bosses how AW development was being mismanaged by the Newscorp bean counters. My bosses included Blue Baron, Centurion and Moggy. I really do have a couple of clues on this subject :).
OK, I don't know the ins and outs of what happened at Newscorp. I can only go by how I saw things from my perspective at the time. What I saw were screenshots (and a limited version of the game itself at our UK Con) of what looked like was rapidly becoming a great new version of AW...... and then I was shocked to see Kesmai Studios closed down, spelling the end of AW shortly after. No, sorry..... but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else. :(
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Originally posted by LePaul
Hmm, let's compare AH2 buglist to Doom3s...oh wait...its a finished product and got tested before being pushed out the door and called "Complete".
Im sure Ah2 will be a great game, someday.
you still flaming LePaul?
maybe its someting wrong with your PC, cuz my never suffer from bugs
oh wait, i cannot play Join Ops, cannot play Doom3, but I CAN play AH2
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one more
JOPS, doom are games for 2-3 weeks, maybe month
AH is game for years, even if you play once a week or less
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Originally posted by Flossy
but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else. :(
t'was MY understanding that EA bought Kesmai so they could get in bed with AOL and run AOL's Games channel. Once they had that secured, they started the process of phasing out AirWarrior.
Was EA imho that fired the killing shot. AW to them, was but a means to hold hands w/ AOL.
At least, that's what the AOL employees were told.
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Originally posted by ramzey
you still flaming LePaul?
maybe its someting wrong with your PC, cuz my never suffer from bugs
oh wait, i cannot play Join Ops, cannot play Doom3, but I CAN play AH2
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one more
JOPS, doom are games for 2-3 weeks, maybe month
AH is game for years, even if you play once a week or less
Ramzey, you're a tard. Read my posts with both eyes open :)
So you see no bugs, thus there are none? Might I motion you to the Bug List forum. Now now, open both eyes.
Be brave.
And Ive played Joint Ops for a few months now. But that's ok, you can act like AH2 is all perfect and all problems are imagined.
Anyways....as i said before, Id assume fund/subscribe to a game that's more polished...and it looks like its slowly getting there. Just not quite yet. For me, at this time, its just frustrating. My PC has the guts to run it fine, its the bomber bugs, terrain issues and others that fueled my departure.
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Originally posted by Flossy No, sorry..... but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else. :( [/B]
Not a doubt it was EA. Sure there were internal grumblings. That`s gonna happen at any company or endeavor. They can be workded out.
EA is the one who shut AW down just like they did the other flight sims almost immediately after they purchased the rights to them . They have also done the same to MCO and many, many more games they have purchused. It`s their MO.
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Originally posted by Flossy
No, sorry..... but from my perspective it was EA who closed down my beloved AW, and nobody else. :(
Flo...
I really do 'feel your pain'. I can agree that EA closed the game. But, frankly, they bought a pig in a poke. Newscorp, in their collective wisdom, chose to devote resources that should have gone into maintaining and upgrading AW to new products like Island of Kesmai, their Battletech game and the ever popular Aliens (anyone remember that dog??). Heck, AW4W was originally shown as AWII. When the player base saw it (and picked their vitual jaws up off the floor), everyone screamed "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! ". Jonathan convinced them that it was unacceptable and they spent the next year + upgrading the graphics. When it finally went into beta, it was still light years behind the competition.
In the end, some enterprising souls a Newscorp recognized that Kesmai was in a deep hole with few prospects of climbing out and sold it. Unfortunately, many of the same people that had been there for Newscorp stayed for EA. That, coupled with the fact that EA was (and maybe still is) clueless about the world of MMOG's meant there was little chance that Kesmai could be saved.
In the end, AW was really a victim of it's own success (and some really crappy management). What I am trying to say is that Newscorp should not be left out. Only blaming EA is a little like blaming the new intern that got control of the patient that was misdiagnosed on the day before he died. Don't forget the doctor that misdiagnosed the problem in the first place. :)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
What I am trying to say is that Newscorp should not be left out.
Maybe not, I really don't know. I only started in AW in July 1998 and was very much in awe of it at that time. Anything negative going on behind the scenes was probably missed by me then, and I only saw what happened after EA got their hands on it. :rolleyes: :(
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Originally posted by Groth
Like I said, SOMEONE with more brains WILL make one the 'clueless' can play.
This is an important topic, not to you apparently.
And on it goes.......
Groth, meet Voss. Voss, meet Groth.
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Originally posted by Seraphim
Money
It's a hit
Don't give me that do goody-good bllchit
I'm in a high fidelity
fist class travelling set,
think i'll buy me a lear jet.
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Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Pink Floyd are coming to Canberra on 11 Sept and im gonna be there! W00T !
Roger Waters is coming or David Gilmour and those two burtn-out losers? THAT is not Pink Floyd, that band could not write decent lyrics to save their sorry lives (although Gilmour is one of the best living guitarists). Pink Floyd without the lyrics is like near-beer, kind of a waste of time.
Regarding AH2 and system requirements:
I cannot think of a game released in the last 2 or 3 years that plays as well on 5 year old computers as AH2. I find it humorous every time I see some guy flying who claimed he could not run it on his system and also could not afford an upgrade back when AH2 was in beta. You've got to realize that being a computer gamer requires an investment in computer hardware. You cannot use the former without the latter.
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Get a job or save some money and buy some new parts.
They are cheaper now than ever and will run AH2 just fine.
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Sue HTC- that's how other people are trying to make money.
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I make my money by working. Its fun
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Perhaps(actually I did) I vented a bit much.
This has been something I've wanted to throw out there for a while.
I think some very good points were made, couple stinky ones, couple stinky ones by myself as well. Not unhappy about that except I could have bee a little more 'delicate' in my phrasing.
Maybe I should put in the frustrating incidents that may have triggered my outburst. I've been to 3 individuals homes to try and 'help' (like the tooth-less teachin someone to chew...) them get on and fly. Two had been to my home here in the sticks and all 3 were fired up to play. It was apparent their graphics/comp wasn't gonna go. And that was that.
I'm still prodding them, hope they can find it worth their while , and I did this ENTIRELY for selfish motives, it'd be kinda cool to have some 'in-town' that was in this too.
I think the creator, Hitech and entire staff are really kickin'.
I have no real idea how they could be more helpful, realisticly. Great game. Just was a bit peived....... and hoping that this isn't gonna be some 'elitist' thing. And the video ability of even the cheaper PC's are getting better all the time. Hopefully Hitech's planning has put AHII ahead of the curve:)
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now you sort of see what we see ..
theres alot of new players ..(which we like to help and turn into decent players) but they come online using a word processor instead of a gamer and they get all frustrated when there pc aint up to snuff , and try to take it out on us .
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Economics 101
2 guys write a version of pong in java on their vacation that out produces AW sales 10-1... EA looks at the cost of development and support and chooses Pong over AW3&4...
OF course thats the simplified version but according to my friend at EA pretty close to the truth...
We have AH now... Get over it...
IKON
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AW had no defense against cheats, which drove away clients, which killed the game. ende.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
AW had no defense against cheats, which drove away clients, which killed the game. .
Yea, and I`m a brain surgeon. If you need anything just yell and I`ll have our fully equipped `60 Chevy van mobile unit drop by. Free gray matter alignment with first purchase.
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Originally posted by Groth
I've seen alot of flyers drop out. Seems they can't AFFORD to spend money on their graphics, AND pay $15 bucks a month.....
SOMEONE will bring an online flight sim that the average guy can fly.... lack of subscribers killed AW. If you can't play, why pay?
I'm the only member of my squad that's played every week since ahII. I like it. I'll plug along. I'm NOT spending money to improve hicktits bottom line, but someone else, w/ more sense, will...
get a job...even a fast food place will do. dont whine that others have money. if you want the same money as everyone else maybe you need to goto commie china ;)
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Originally posted by Groth
...I'm NOT spending money to improve hicktits bottom line...
Originally posted by Groth
...I think the creator, Hitech and entire staff are really kickin'.
I have no real idea how they could be more helpful, realisticly. Great game...
funnay!!
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Heh if AW died due to lack of subscribers, AH must be in serious trouble since AW had far more players than AH has ever had!
In other words AW's "lack of subscribers" was in reality EA's unhappiness that it didn't have "The Sims"-like subscription numbers; EA was truly retarded and their online gaming plans failed miserably. Several excellent games, of which AW was but one, met their end due to EA's colossal incompetence.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Overlag
get a job...even a fast food place will do. dont whine that others have money. if you want the same money as everyone else maybe you need to goto commie china ;)
Get a job! I'm a workoholic...everytime I think about work I gotta drink.
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Originally posted by airbumba
Get a job! I'm a workoholic...everytime I think about work I gotta drink.
amen thats what payday is for......you celebrate pay day for the weekend, and by monday, 3 days after pay day i have no money ;)
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I Had to get(build) a new pc to play ah2 $29 for a new case ,$100 for used amd 800 cpu and mother board $ 30 for 128mb mem (used) and $ 75 for a 128mb geforce at wal-mart. Used the old floppy and disc drive, harddrive, and old mem and network card. Now this got me up in the air again.spread the cost out over 3 paychecks. Its not a great monster unit but it works very well and I have shot down my fair share of bad guys.now I can take my time and build a GOOD system down the road. on the other hand I havn't bought any other games in 6 months so I may have saved money playing aces high LOL.To me it was worth it to play a great game. SALUTE.........ROOK POWER!
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What does 'japanese modem' mean, waffle?
And I saw Pink Floyd at Soliders Field, noon till way past night fall. Increadible music, theatrics, and such a crowd.... best I could do, not being able to go to England then.
And what does it mean when a 'japenese modem' makes a player 'invincible'..........
choking?
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got the film of the 'discussion' in MA
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Originally posted by wojo71
I Had to get(build) a new pc to play ah2 $29 for a new case ,$100 for used amd 800 cpu and mother board $ 30 for 128mb mem (used) and $ 75 for a 128mb geforce at wal-mart. Used the old floppy and disc drive, harddrive, and old mem and network card. Now this got me up in the air again.spread the cost out over 3 paychecks. Its not a great monster unit but it works very well and I have shot down my fair share of bad guys.now I can take my time and build a GOOD system down the road. on the other hand I havn't bought any other games in 6 months so I may have saved money playing aces high LOL.To me it was worth it to play a great game. SALUTE.........ROOK POWER!
for 85$ you can get brand new athlon 2700+ with mb at fry's
case 20$
fdd - 9 $, but if you have windows system installation on CD, you dont need them, at last once for HDD format
HDD about 50-60$ i reccomend new one, or cheaper in surplus
CD rom 15$
memmory 50-78$ depends from brand (512 mb)
video card i reccomend buy from secound hand, searching in people ads in local BBS (i payd 25$ for 64 mb gf4 440 8 months ago)
monitor 17' 40$ used but in good condition
keyb - 5$ at surplus
mouse 5-7$ (microsoft optical)
if you have spare (old) parts as CDrom, keyb,modem,monitor, mouse you can save som money
itys not expencive and enough to play this game
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What is FB/AEP????
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Il2 : Forgotten Battles + Aces Expansion Pack
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
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In the end, AW was really a victim of it's own success (and some really crappy management). What I am trying to say is that Newscorp should not be left out. Only blaming EA is a little like blaming the new intern that got control of the patient that was misdiagnosed on the day before he died. Don't forget the doctor that misdiagnosed the problem in the first place. :)
NB, with all due respect, BS.
Don't get me wrong. I don't dispute anything you've said here regarding what Newscorp did. I don't dispute your opinion that the result of those actions meant AW lagged far behind of where it could have been in terms of software. I reckon all that is true, and concede that this cost AW in many ways.
However, there are some counterpoints to be made.
AW's community grew during Newscorp's administration, by leaps and bounds. Much like the original 10,000 Dweebs episode, many old-timers decried the influx of people as less than positive.
Finances are an inevitable concern in the business world (I know you know that, I say it for rhetoric value). Huge increases in numbers equals a better and more stable financial base. I'd venture that even though you're right that AW didn't get the best deal it could have from Newscorp in terms of distribution of development money, it probably did get more resources than it would have had without seeing the growth that occurred on Newscorp's watch.
But that's not my argument. My argument is this: the community flourished during Newscorp's administration. Newscorp left people in charge of the community that were from the AW community and cared about it passionately. Some were "old guard", some were new, but all of them truly gave a damn about the community they came from. It was more than a job for these folks, and because of that the community remained strong.
We suffered greatly when we lost Jonathan. But even though there were suits and outsiders in charge, there was a core group of dedicated Air Warrior enthusiasts immediately below that level of the chain of command, who all worked their tulips off to influence management decisions for the best. You may personally feel the game was mismanaged, and I won't argue that it couldn't have had better management. But it was a HELL of lot better than it could have been, due to the people involved at the "grunt" level.
Sometimes you can't have it all one way. Sometimes working within the system is the only way to achieve some of what you want, rather than seeing none of it happen.
The bottom line is that while, true, when EA bought AW it bought a package that included a really outdated software, it also bought a package that included a hell of a good team and a hell of a large, strong community. The team cared, and the community cared. Everyone involved was willing to work their butts off to improve the game on a daily basis in whatever way they could. The lag in software development cost AW some players, but those players left behind a community that would have continued to thrive had it been allowed to. The potential to reverse the trend and begin to grow the game's development was certainly there.
EA and EA alone was the entity that gave AW its deathblow. EA was the entity that systematically began to de-value the community from the very start of its administration, something Newscorp never did. No matter that Newscorp put its people in charge, as I said it left Air Warriors working for them. And, while management didn't give those folks 100% of what they asked for, they did at least listen, consoider their input, and often said "OK you're right go ahead".
EA OTOH was completely arrogant in their approach. Decisions were often made arbitrarily without even consulting the AW's on the staff. Worse, deliberate decisions were made to eliminate those folks with any prior experience in Air Warrior. You accuse Newscorp of trying to make AW a cash cow, when in fact they at least tried to do so while allowing the community to take some part in its administration. They recognized the worth in that. EA did not, not even a little bit.
Bottom line, Flossy is absolutely right. AW could have survived, and done so with great success had EA left it intact and worked with its community to further its development. That community would have been what held itself together while the software caught up. Instead, EA ignored the value of that community, and in what was either blind ignorance or a dispassionate refusal to participate in a "niche" market it made a cold decision to disband the game and its community.
EA did indeed kill Air Warrior, and it was a deliberate act done in cold blood. Nothing Newscorp did can be equated with that.
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Kelly...
Just like all of the arguements we had over the years. So, just like then...you're right, I'm wrong....CYA.
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I played AWI AOL, never played AWII, bought AWIII from the box and played the single player night and day for a long long time. I dreamed of being able to go to a service that might be free or very low cost, because I was about 12 at the time and had no job, and i would never have asked my parents to pay for it.
I heard that EA was going to host AW and I jumped for joy, downloaded the AW Millenium Version, then anxiously awaited for the service to open. However, the cost was still to high for me, so i just stayed out. I remember the bugs and what not of AW and AWIII, and I think that even though I wasn't very old, we have it much better here and now.
If someone makes a legitimate complaint about a bug, gameplay inequity, or whatever else have you, the company has a patch out the following friday to fix it! That's service!
I feel that this AH community is much closer than I remember the AW community being. If you believe I am wrong, then just ignore me i guess.
But AH is here, its good, and Im not leaving anytime soon.
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Originally posted by Jasta
and I think that even though I wasn't very old, we have it much better here and now.
Oh, don't get me wrong, Jasta..... I love Aces High now as much as I ever loved Air Warrior..... I believe AH is what AW could have been, and more! Its just something about the 'first love', you know? I deeply miss Air Warrior, of that there is no doubt...... and I will never forget it. However, I love Aces High just as much and many of the friends I made in AW are also here, as well as some new friends I've met since. Why else would I be going to the Convention next month? ;)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
... and the ever popular Aliens (anyone remember that dog??).
Aliens was a GREAT shoot-em-up...heh heh.... and don't forget the ever popular text based adventure game "Darkness Falls". Ahh... Kesmai...ahhh..... GameStorm....
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Roger Waters is coming or David Gilmour and those two burtn-out losers? THAT is not Pink Floyd, that band could not write decent lyrics to save their sorry lives (although Gilmour is one of the best living guitarists). Pink Floyd without the lyrics is like near-beer, kind of a waste of time.
You obviously have not heard some of the GREAT solo work of Roger Waters "Pro's and Cons of Hitchhiking" and many many others, even Gilmore has had some excellent works, i.e "There's No Way Out Of Here". You have to have lryics to appreciate good Floyd?!? Jesus, guess you never heard "Echo's" then. Get real, Roger Waters single handedly brought the music of Pink Floyd into mainstream reality with a kick arse anti-war theme to boot.
Oh yeah, and Alan Parsons was a major contributor to the dark side of the moon...
Money, so they say, is the root of all evil today. But if you ask for it, it arrives as no suprises, they're giving none away...None away!...Away....
Guess where the Pigs On The Wing got their name?
Oink