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This one don`t have Nick Nolte.
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I've enjoyed today. No matter the plane youre getting near 10 pp a kill at least. Stockup time in Knitville. Not to mention its easy to find a fight.
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How very, very common. :(
Gettin old aint it?
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these type of post are getting tired.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
This one don`t have Nick Nolte.
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The Reason I didn't fly once today.
I wont switch sides anymore due to the "we have a spy bullchit".
If you fuggin knits AND bish want to get your tails handed to you every night with 2:1 odds fine by me. Keep saying what your saying, doing what your doing and things will continue to be as they are.
I dont give a rats arse about your wars. I dont like lopsided fights unless they are not in my favor. (Theres more fun for me flying with odds against you) I only ever switched to help even up the numbers. NOT to spy on your pathedic little "War", "Missions" ect.
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I love it
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What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.
Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.
I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?
On the other hand, I have seen the Knights and the Bishops work together against the Rooks plenty, so the constant whine about two countries with numbers beating on the one without is bogus as well. It doesn't stop when the smallest country is no longer in danger of being reset either.
The numbers issue is nothing new, it is older than AH, and it is cyclic. It will turn around. It always has.
If it doesn't, then perhaps some should take a look at their outnumbered country, and see if maybe there's a reason why it's short of people. I'm sure there are plenty of people looking to switch, I mean, after all, they can go to another country, and then they too can cry out, "Rook no talent ganging horde", and "alt monkey Rooks". Really, after all, that constant barrage of insults and whining is bound to win over hundreds of people.
Oh yeah, go ahead and flame me real good now, and tell me how easy it is for me to talk. Make sure you say something about the no talent no skill Rooks who can only get kills with mass numerical superiority and 5K altitude advantage. That'll make it nice and easy for me to prove my point, won't it?
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I wont switch sides anymore due to the "we have a spy bullchit".
Spy!!!! Spy!!! He's a spy!!! He's trying to fool you!!! Don't listen to him!!! It will be your doom!! :D
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I don't get it. It looks like 250 against 200 rooks in reset corner.
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You'll always have FATE to beat up on, we are a bish squad, and we will die as bish.
When all the bishops are gone, there will still be 30 Fate, collecting perks and trying like hell to turn the tide.
Lopsided odds or not, God, Country, Squad.
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Lopsided odds or not, God, Country, Squad.
Thats nice but I prefer...
God, Squad, Me. :)
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ill stay bish
rooks are gang dweebs lately
knits give much better fights actually
skill is with the knits and not with the rooks
that's because they always fly on the lowest numbers
that's the truth
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Originally posted by Jackal1
This one don`t have Nick Nolte.
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it got worse it was something like
130bish
110knits (a couple of hornets changed to knits.......including me)
240rooks
ahhhhhh 25 perks for 4 kills in a 190a5........:D
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
(Theres more fun for me flying with odds against you) /QUOTE]
A slip , I`m sure. :D
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I don't see the big deal, personally. I usually switch to whoever has the lowest numbers when I'm on, typically that is knight or bish, but sometimes it is rooks.
Easier to find someone to kill when you side is outnumbered, as long as you aren't down to 2 bases or something.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.
Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.
I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?
On the other hand, I have seen the Knights and the Bishops work together against the Rooks plenty, so the constant whine about two countries with numbers beating on the one without is bogus as well. It doesn't stop when the smallest country is no longer in danger of being reset either.
The numbers issue is nothing new, it is older than AH, and it is cyclic. It will turn around. It always has.
If it doesn't, then perhaps some should take a look at their outnumbered country, and see if maybe there's a reason why it's short of people. I'm sure there are plenty of people looking to switch, I mean, after all, they can go to another country, and then they too can cry out, "Rook no talent ganging horde", and "alt monkey Rooks". Really, after all, that constant barrage of insults and whining is bound to win over hundreds of people.
Oh yeah, go ahead and flame me real good now, and tell me how easy it is for me to talk. Make sure you say something about the no talent no skill Rooks who can only get kills with mass numerical superiority and 5K altitude advantage. That'll make it nice and easy for me to prove my point, won't it?
Very lucid and accurate post. I hope people read it carefully and understand.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.
Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.
I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?
On the other hand, I have seen the Knights and the Bishops work together against the Rooks plenty, so the constant whine about two countries with numbers beating on the one without is bogus as well. It doesn't stop when the smallest country is no longer in danger of being reset either.
The numbers issue is nothing new, it is older than AH, and it is cyclic. It will turn around. It always has.
If it doesn't, then perhaps some should take a look at their outnumbered country, and see if maybe there's a reason why it's short of people. I'm sure there are plenty of people looking to switch, I mean, after all, they can go to another country, and then they too can cry out, "Rook no talent ganging horde", and "alt monkey Rooks". Really, after all, that constant barrage of insults and whining is bound to win over hundreds of people.
Oh yeah, go ahead and flame me real good now, and tell me how easy it is for me to talk. Make sure you say something about the no talent no skill Rooks who can only get kills with mass numerical superiority and 5K altitude advantage. That'll make it nice and easy for me to prove my point, won't it?
No comment on you talent or skill can explain you apparent ignorance.
1 Bish do organize with the numbers they have.
2 There are skilled pilots plenty.
3 You are wrong about the countries without numbers (Working together)
4 The (Numbers Issue) is much more pronounced these days than ever in the history of AH
Never has the Odds been this high.
5 And yes you are correct...There has been 2 more complete squadrons that made the change to ..You guessed it..ROOK in the last 3 weeks. And yep...there are more talking swithc at present. Guess where they are going? YEP Rook again.
Why? Because they are tired of being outnumbered.
6 The whines of the outnumbered are going to continue to grow every day. And it is totally waranted whether you like it or not.
Its just not going to be enough with these odds.
Cmon over and take a beating with the bish or nits for a year.
Then explain how youd rather fight than switch.
These are gameplay issues...not personal attacks on any individual.
HT should do something to bring balance to the numbers.
Then we will se how organized Bish and Nits are when they KICK Rook Arses into submission.
After all...even though the odds have been extreemy against them for quite some time now...They have done very well holding off the Rook masses.
Most of us thought things would balance out by now...(Over a year now)
But i think most are getting real tired waiting for the balance to return.
regards.
Originally posted by Zazen13
Very lucid and accurate post. I hope people read it carefully and understand.
Very inflamitory and inaccurate (Zazen like) post and thats why you understand it so well.
:P
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.
Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.
I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?
Come on, if you've been here since December 7, 2002, you surely remember the dismal numbers the rooks had and the UNLIMITED complaints that we all had to listen to. Rook whining during 2002 makes Bish/Nit whining sound like a gentle buzz.
As for why anyone would switch sides, well, read this thread. The current rook run in numbers started as a result of it. The AKs switched to Rook for a week or two and others made the change permanent.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69234&referrerid=2176
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Come on, if you've been here since December 7, 2002, you surely remember the dismal numbers the rooks had and the UNLIMITED complaints that we all had to listen to. Rook whining during 2002 makes Bish/Nit whining sound like a gentle buzz.
As for why anyone would switch sides, well, read this thread. The current rook run in numbers started as a result of it. The AKs switched to Rook for a week or two and others made the change permanent.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69234&referrerid=2176
curly
And what, pray tell, did HTC do to help the Rooks when they were outnumbered? Since I don't really remember HTC doing anything for the Rooks, you might find out how they turned it around, and try it yourselves.
The question is why any Rook would go over to either Bishops or Knights after being bombarded with constant insults and whines.
The question is not why your squad switched to Rooks. Perhaps you should ask your squad members why they switched to Rook. If they switched because of numbers, then they are part of the problem, which leaves you little room to complain, since you've followed along.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
And what, pray tell, did HTC do to help the Rooks when they were outnumbered? Since I don't really remember HTC doing anything for the Rooks, you might find out how they turned it around, and try it yourselves.
The question is why any Rook would go over to either Bishops or Knights after being bombarded with constant insults and whines.
The question is not why your squad switched to Rooks. Perhaps you should ask your squad members why they switched to Rook. If they switched because of numbers, then they are part of the problem, which leaves you little room to complain, since you've followed along.
The rooks did nothing to turn it around. They couldn't --- a typical evening would be 180 Knights, 140 Bishops and 80 Rooks. It got turned around because a number of Knight and Bishop squads thought the game would be more fun if the numbers were more evenly balanced.
curly
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
The Reason I didn't fly once today.
The reason I haven't flown for three weeks - that, plus small maps.
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The question is why any Rook would go over to either Bishops or Knights after being bombarded with constant insults and whines.
Anyone who takes his "nationality" this seriously needs help.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Perhaps you should ask your squad members why they switched to Rook. If they switched because of numbers, then they are part of the problem, which leaves you little room to complain, since you've followed along.
Somehow I think you got confused along the way. AKs switched to the lower numbered team to help balance things out. When things got better they came back to Bish. They were highly applauded on both ocassions.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
The rooks did nothing to turn it around. They couldn't --- a typical evening would be 180 Knights, 140 Bishops and 80 Rooks. It got turned around because a number of Knight and Bishop squads thought the game would be more fun if the numbers were more evenly balanced.
curly
well said.........
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Originally posted by Urchin
I don't see the big deal, personally. I usually switch to whoever has the lowest numbers when I'm on, typically that is knight or bish, but sometimes it is rooks.
I flew Saturday AM USA time and rooks were outnumbered by both other countries the entire 2 hours I was up. It was not a drastic outnumbered situation but it was certain, adding to that the the rooks were stuck in reset-corner. The country in the north was rolling up the east coast pretty rapidly but we were holding onto the west coast. I was near the middle at and we were fighting back hordes of reds coming in from the north, there, I used the word, happy now?
I did not fly Saturday in prime time and all of my stick time on Sunday was used up in the BoB scenario.
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I too have seen Rooks outnumbered in the last week.
I still maintain that the numbers imbalances are cyclical, and are going to eventually change again.
Been here since 2001.
When Bish were the heavy hitters a couple of years ago I stayed as a bish.
When we became outnumbered on a regular basis I stayed.
The reason I don't switch (on a permanent basis), is that my squadron is pretty small, we rarely fly together anymore and it would have no real impact on numbers. (had my squad been larger and able to have an impact, I would have taken the road the AK's did, and I them for what they did)
I have no "real" loyalty to one chess piece or another. I just recognize that numbers will change, and don't get all worked up about it.
Besides, as a bish right now, it sure isn't hard to find a fight / target :)
RTR
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I feel the same Bug_Eaf. :lol
Im a knight, and sunday nights i go fight the bish cause i know numbers are more even against them and tend to bring better fights. The last sunday (rook) night bish brought fights down to the deck and it was a fun furball. I dont tend to see that with the rooks.
I really dont care about taking fields, I dont care about who wins.
All I care about is getting a good fight, low alts, and not getting ganged which I dont get very often against rooks.
There are good pilots on the rook side but they just get caught into the thing of ganging people and the high alt stuff.
Canaris
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One more item.
AS far as those who decide to switch country, why are they berated for that decision?
Morpheus is a good example (sorry morpheus, hope you don't mind being the example).
Here's a guy who recognizes that Rooks are outnumbering all, makes a switch and is branded a "spy" for his efforts.
WTF??
Since when did we start applying a moral standard to someone on the basis of which chess piece he/she spends thier $14.95 on?
Get a grip people.
This Rook bashing is pointless, they will have thier turn in the barrel again eventually.
This belief that you can assign a behavior, or moral standard, or flying talent, to an individual based on the chess piece they fly for is all bull..chit as wel, and it gets tiresome. Knock it off.
Whoooboy.
RTR...OUT
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Originally posted by ra
Anyone who takes his "nationality" this seriously needs help.
::Twitch twitch::I need help.::Twitch::
but then again ::Twitch::I needed help long before I ::Twitch::ever took my country seriously.::Twitch twitch::
Yes its just a game.But.
Being loyal to your country adds to the immersion.
Some people fly and play just for themselves which coincides nicely with the current "ME" generation we belong to. And thats fine.
to each their own
For me I am trying to simulate not only the fights but the overall attitude of the time. They were the "WE" generation.
Just as everyone on all sides was fighting for their country then. So am I now
Just adds to the immersion.
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I have to agree. Its time to stop biatching about the numbers and for the Bish or Knights which ever team you belong to and figure out what tactical and strategic tactics are needed to stop the onslaught.
One sunday I organized a truce between the Knights and the Bishops only for me and my bish counter part to be chatized by a few of our country mates for being a bunch of *ussies, that truces were for wusses and I can tell you that when you your out numbered by 50 ppl, unless your Voss, Meta Tron or what ever his name is, your not going to win the battel of attrition. So that means the Knights and Bish are going to have to learn to work more as a team, get organized and stop making the "arm Chair General" a dirty name. After all there are some of us who understand the concepts of this game pretty well and have real world tactical and strategic battle planning experience to make this game fun for every one and not just a selected few. I stoped trying to help the knights out with my knowledge and experience because I got tired of being ignored and told to screw off, yet the Knights are biatching about numbers and being rolled day in and day out, go figure....I wish each country had a special forum that topics like this could be discussed with out the other countries knowing what the others are talking about. I've written threads explaining that you can be successful and be at a number disadvantage but again no one listens so nothing changes.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
The Reason I didn't fly once today.
I wont switch sides anymore due to the "we have a spy bullchit".
If you fuggin knits AND bish want to get your tails handed to you every night with 2:1 odds fine by me. Keep saying what your saying, doing what your doing and things will continue to be as they are.
I dont give a rats arse about your wars. I dont like lopsided fights unless they are not in my favor. (Theres more fun for me flying with odds against you) I only ever switched to help even up the numbers. NOT to spy on your pathedic little "War", "Missions" ect.
That is a shame Morph ... sorry to hear that.
Morpheus, XJ, or any AoM have absolutly nothing to gain, "spywise", when they switch.
They are here for the fight, and boy can they fight !!! Any team that these guys switch to, should welcome them with open arms.
When the 13th just did the rotate thing, not once were we accused of being "spys" and were greeted with respect and a feeling of belonging by both the Rooks and Bish ... especially by the Rooks.
How can we (Knights) try to crawl out of this numbers hole when we reject and treat those who come to help, with that type of welcome.
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Completely Right Slap, not to mention, what idiot is going to claim a guy is a spy when he is using the same login he flys with in his original country.
Little boy from the Sixth Sense...
"I see stupid people, (whimper), Their all around me. (Scared)"
LOL.
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As much as I detest the horde.
I have to give cradit to rooks for one thing.
Over the last several days I've been primarily fighting rooks to see if I can prove Zazens statistical comments right or wrong. Or find out the reasons for them.
So far I STILL do not see them as better pilots. Certainly no better or worse then bish
BUT
One thing the rooks seem to do more then either knits or bish is fly together. and they rarely get caught below 10K (you guys sure do like your alt huh LOL)
They RARELY are caught alone even when outnumbered arena wise.
They always fly in groups
In the last 3 days and dozens of flights I've managed to get into only 5 fights where I wasnt outnumbered by at LEAST 3-1 when flying by myself. Usually the odds were much worse.
And only 3 of those was a 1v1 for the entire fight.
Gotta hand it to em though. They do fly together and they dont just fly by when they see a countrymen in a fight.
If its a 1 v1 they will join in, a 2v1 they will join in
a 3,4,5V1 they will STILL join in.
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No Morpheus really is a spy! :p
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
One thing the rooks seem to do more then either knits or bish is fly together.
They RARELY are caught alone even when outnumbered arena wise.
They always fly in groups
In the last 3 days and dozens of flights I've managed to get into only 5 fights where I wasnt outnumbered by at LEAST 3-1 when flying by myself. Usually the odds were much worse.
And only 3 of those was a 1v1 for the entire fight.
Gotta hand it to em though. They do fly together and they dont just fly by when they see a countrymen in a fight.
If its a 1 v1 they will join in, a 2v1 they will join in a 3,4,5V1 they will STILL join in.
There's safety in numbers. The HORDE rulz!
PS... I actually agree with Bug and MugZ! That's a first on both counts.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
As much as I detest the horde.
I have to give cradit to rooks for one thing.
Over the last several days I've been primarily fighting rooks to see if I can prove Zazens statistical comments right or wrong. Or find out the reasons for them.
So far I STILL do not see them as better pilots. Certainly no better or worse then bish
BUT
One thing the rooks seem to do more then either knits or bish is fly together. and they rarely get caught below 10K (you guys sure do like your alt huh LOL)
They RARELY are caught alone even when outnumbered arena wise.
They always fly in groups
In the last 3 days and dozens of flights I've managed to get into only 5 fights where I wasnt outnumbered by at LEAST 3-1 when flying by myself. Usually the odds were much worse.
And only 3 of those was a 1v1 for the entire fight.
Gotta hand it to em though. They do fly together and they dont just fly by when they see a countrymen in a fight.
If its a 1 v1 they will join in, a 2v1 they will join in
a 3,4,5V1 they will STILL join in.
This is something that I noted in a post, in another thread.
When we flew with the Rooks, I would say that the vast majority of the Rooks will, at all costs, cover a fellow countryman.
This was my reasoning for why the Rooks always have the better K/D ratio. Not because they are more skilled, because they have comraderie ... more than any other team.
They will not let one of their pilots flounder alone, which in most cases gets the guy out of trouble and then he is able to also land his kills.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
One thing the rooks seem to do more then either knits or bish is fly together. and they rarely get caught below 10K (you guys sure do like your alt huh LOL)
They RARELY are caught alone even when outnumbered arena wise.
They always fly in groups
Just a guess on my part but based on my own style of flying...
When I am in enemy airspace that is generally true; fly a fast plane, come in highish, and keep the hard-deck at about 7K for emergencies (don't get low/slow for a single kill because there's plenty of reinforcement otw to save the guy you are after).
When I am on defense I generally fly an agile plane and often fail to get above 6K.
Maybe thats what you are seeing. Rooks have had higher numbers as a whole for the last few tours, so they tend to be on the offensive more than defensive lately. Just a thought that would explain what you are seeing.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
This is something that I noted in a post, in another thread.
When we flew with the Rooks, I would say that the vast majority of the Rooks will, at all costs, cover a fellow countryman.
This was my reasoning for why the Rooks always have the better K/D ratio. Not because they are more skilled, because they have comraderie ... more than any other team.
They will not let one of their pilots flounder alone, which in most cases gets the guy out of trouble and then he is able to also land his kills.
Well like we were saying in another post Slap, if I'm engaged with 1 guy I don't want 'help' unless I ask for it. Rooks can only survive in a position of 2:1 or better. I don't know it doesn't really matter. :rolleyes:
I just know when I log on and dar is down and rooks outnumber us 2:1 I usually log because if you can find rooks it will be 5-10 of them, 5-10k above you. Just gets a "bit" old after a few months.
Although I will say my skills (SA, defense) have improved fighting a constant horde so it's not all bad.
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yep, I saw Morph's Spy ID card.. No doubt, he is 100% spy!!!!! How'd I know it belonged to him you might ask?? Cause the name on it said: Bad Mother ****ing Muppet...
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Gotta hand it to em though. They do fly together and they dont just fly by when they see a countrymen in a fight.
If its a 1 v1 they will join in, a 2v1 they will join in
a 3,4,5V1 they will STILL join in.
That is also true and regrettable. If you have 5 guys all dive to the deck to gang one enemy who is already fighting a 2v1 you have just screwed up. I see this alot and I saw it with other countries too. Perhaps being on the up side of a 30v10 makes one more desperate to score a kill and we end up fighting with each other for scaps:(
This is not universal though. Just last Saturday morning I was climbing out in a Yak and saw a 2v2 taking place low at my 3:00. Two other rooks were fighting a pair of 190s who seemed to be wingmen. I called out and asked if they were okay or if they needed help. Both of them said almost simulatneously "HELP". So I peeled off and dove in. One of the rooks blew up almost instantly but had managed to get the 190 to almost stall in the verticle, I was able to get a fuel leak on the guy who popped him but closure rate was too high to finish him off and I broke high. I looked back to see the other rook get wasted too. Now I was in a great 2v1 with a pair of 190s. Don't know who you guys were but it was a blast. The uninjured 190 was a Dora and he dragged me a long way, can't figure out why you guys ran to our base though, maybe he was lost. Both died to the ack ( I think it was manned) and all I got was an assist :(
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Originally posted by DipStick
Well like we were saying in another post Slap, if I'm engaged with 1 guy I don't want 'help' unless I ask for it. Rooks can only survive in a position of 2:1 or better. I don't know it doesn't really matter. :rolleyes:
I just know when I log on and dar is down and rooks outnumber us 2:1 I usually log because if you can find rooks it will be 5-10 of them, 5-10k above you. Just gets a "bit" old after a few months.
Although I will say my skills (SA, defense) have improved fighting a constant horde so it's not all bad.
No no no ... My point is that when YOU are in trouble ... not when YOU have the advantage. When I was in trouble, many times, WITHOUT asking, I would hear ... "Hang on Slappy, I'm in".
Now that you mention it, I don't remember too many cases of kill stealing by Rooks.
Yes .. flying for the Knights for the last 3 years has definately tweaked the SA up a notch ot 2 ... for sure.
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I used to switch just to hear the squeals of the low lifes that actually cared. :D
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Used to be rook when their numbers were low. Now I am knight. I love it. I can up any field any time and find a fight.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
The rooks did nothing to turn it around. They couldn't --- a typical evening would be 180 Knights, 140 Bishops and 80 Rooks. It got turned around because a number of Knight and Bishop squads thought the game would be more fun if the numbers were more evenly balanced.
Well said.
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...also, HT installed the perk multiplier to help with the numbers near the end of the rooks turn in the bucket.
I have flown with bish and knits lately. Noone accused me of spying. I got plenty of C6's. I had fun.
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Which has pretty much done nothing, as the current ratio shows.
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What some fail to see is that this off balance creates an awesome war enviroment.
The goal to conquor the Rookies mass distruction. The over coming of the rooks without game intervention should prove to be a great AH battle to remember.
Looks like the possibility of Knights and Bish as allies to defeat Rooks could happen.
Isn't this exactly how WWII turned into some hardcore gunslinging?
Stop sniveling about Rooks numbers and devise ways to beat them down. it can be done, most spend too much time crying about it rather then taking part in a great virtual war.
Smarten up,... kick their ars.
Fire this game up ;-)
Anim
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FLush , plunge, flush.
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funny how you guys try to defend how its allright that you have 2v1 over everbody:rolleyes:
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bah, just put it this way....
cRooks need the numbers:D
and yes Morpheus is a spy, just cause I say so. And he is also a puppet, a puppet spy, ya thats the ticket.
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I have flown AH since Beta off and on.I always was Rook,until my Squad decided to fly with the Knights.We had some good friends flying P38's over there,and numbers had nothing to do with switch.The numbers will adjust back and forth,and people will complain about alt monkies,ganging,etc.AH is a conglomeration of personalities,and if I said the sun was going to rise in the East,someone would argue about it.I just enjoy flying my P38,trying to have some fun,and I really don't care if we are outnumbered or not.I never bother with score,but it seems to me that becoming a Knight hasn't made a lot of difference in my dweebiness;)
IronDog
475th Fighter Group "Satans Angels"
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There may be more to the problem than just cyclic change, though, and as a realtively new member I may have a little insight into current forces.
When I first joined, I started as a Bish. I was learning the AH ropes, but also learning flight sims in general -- I hadnt ever played online, and the last one I seriously tried was "Their Finest Hour," LucasArts' BoB game (released in 1989 ). After geting my feet wet enough to figure out the game flow, I found myself continually frustrated because the Rooks seemed to roll over everyone and my countrymen didn't seem to do the things obviously necessary to counter the Rook moves. Even as a newbie it seemed that too many bish just flew around like headless chickens. I'd meekly call out, "that looks like bombers inbound, shouldn't we intercept?" and nobody would do anything. If I tried to do it alone, I naturally fell to earth surrrounded by flaming aluminum (an end that occurs now only slightly less often, but that's beside the point).
After about a month, my squad moved to rooks, and I found a very different world. Check 6s, missions, ad hoc cooperation, supply goons, and LOTS of furballing. (BTW, for the unnamed whiners amoung us, please note that in the 3 hrs I was on last pm the roughly 240:120:100 imbalance netted the rooks ONE base. Not exactly a gross gameplay imbalance, sirs.)
In short, I had more FUN as a rook. And, since it's my $15, don't expect me to have a less enjoyable experience just because you don't like the looks of the roster.
It's been said many times, but a good part of the apparent imbalance is rganization rather than total mass. I've been ountnumbered as a rook in the mornings fairly frequently, but I haven't yet had the chutzpah to post the grid on the BBS.
I now know what I couldnt see as a newly minted AH'er -- that there are many truly excellent pilots with the Bish and Nits. (And they all seem to find my icon strangely attracts their shells.) However, my experience with the swarm of less capable, less strategically minded, adn probably nonBBS posting Bish pilots drove me to leave that team.
If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ill stay bish
rooks are gang dweebs lately
knits give much better fights actually
skill is with the knits and not with the rooks
that's because they always fly on the lowest numbers
that's the truth
Very lucid and accurate post. I hope people read it carefully and understand.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ill stay bish
rooks are gang dweebs lately
knits give much better fights actually
skill is with the knits and not with the rooks
that's because they always fly on the lowest numbers
that's the truth
well said....
and its nice to be knit again :aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?
The knights have the Chk6s, the furballs, and the cooperation therein that you mentioned. Not too much of the cooperative base-taking stuff, but then again I don't mind. :)
But whatever. I think you can have cooperation without numbers, and I think cooperative base taking and any other activity in this game can be enjoyed more without a large overall numbers advantage (from both the gang and gangee's perspective).
IOW, style of play and cooperation is orthogonal to the issue of numbers.
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Originally posted by phookat
IOW, style of play and cooperation is orthogonal to the issue of numbers.
:) Gotta luv it. :D
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Originally posted by Furious
...also, HT installed the perk multiplier to help with the numbers near the end of the rooks turn in the bucket.
Sure you get more perks.
Not that I care as I RARELY fly perk planes.
and you can fly cheap perk rides when outnumbered.
But the only problem with that is as soon as you jump in a perk plane you basically have just put a "Kick me" sign on your back.LOL
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Originally posted by Simaril
There may be more to the problem than just cyclic change, though, and as a realtively new member I may have a little insight into current forces.
When I first joined, I started as a Bish. I was learning the AH ropes, but also learning flight sims in general -- I hadnt ever played online, and the last one I seriously tried was "Their Finest Hour," LucasArts' BoB game (released in 1989 ). After geting my feet wet enough to figure out the game flow, I found myself continually frustrated because the Rooks seemed to roll over everyone and my countrymen didn't seem to do the things obviously necessary to counter the Rook moves. Even as a newbie it seemed that too many bish just flew around like headless chickens. I'd meekly call out, "that looks like bombers inbound, shouldn't we intercept?" and nobody would do anything. If I tried to do it alone, I naturally fell to earth surrrounded by flaming aluminum (an end that occurs now only slightly less often, but that's beside the point).
After about a month, my squad moved to rooks, and I found a very different world. Check 6s, missions, ad hoc cooperation, supply goons, and LOTS of furballing. (BTW, for the unnamed whiners amoung us, please note that in the 3 hrs I was on last pm the roughly 240:120:100 imbalance netted the rooks ONE base. Not exactly a gross gameplay imbalance, sirs.)
In short, I had more FUN as a rook. And, since it's my $15, don't expect me to have a less enjoyable experience just because you don't like the looks of the roster.
It's been said many times, but a good part of the apparent imbalance is rganization rather than total mass. I've been ountnumbered as a rook in the mornings fairly frequently, but I haven't yet had the chutzpah to post the grid on the BBS.
I now know what I couldnt see as a newly minted AH'er -- that there are many truly excellent pilots with the Bish and Nits. (And they all seem to find my icon strangely attracts their shells.) However, my experience with the swarm of less capable, less strategically minded, adn probably nonBBS posting Bish pilots drove me to leave that team.
If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?
Great post Simaril! This is how the teams look from an un-biased perspective, totally new to the genre. That's as objective as it gets. The raw numbers are just a 'symptom' not the cause!
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Originally posted by Simaril
There may be more to the problem than just cyclic change, though, and as a realtively new member I may have a little insight into current forces.
Unlikely. ;)
I found myself continually frustrated because the Rooks seemed to roll over everyone and my countrymen didn't seem to do the things obviously necessary to counter the Rook moves. Even as a newbie it seemed that too many bish just flew around like headless chickens. I'd meekly call out, "that looks like bombers inbound, shouldn't we intercept?" and nobody would do anything. If I tried to do it alone, I naturally fell to earth surrrounded by flaming aluminum (an end that occurs now only slightly less often, but that's beside the point).
There's a reason for the headless chicken act. Prior to AH2, when the number were 200:140:100, that meant serious trouble was on the way. It meant that either the 140 or 100 man country was about be rolled over by superior numbers.
It meant that you, as a new person, shouting that "hey, there are bombers inbound" had incorrectly priortized the available tasks and the wiser heads than you had to decided to attack another threat. Like all countries, there are only so many guys available who wish to play the 'strat game' and therefore, reduced numbers means a reduced number of guys who will respond to country threats. Each country has a certain fraction of guys who participate because they like 1) the strat game, 2) to furball, 3) vulch or whatever.
The true nastiness of superior numbers is that it permits all three behaviors as the front of the hoarde progresses. The process feeds on itself.
Now that AH2 is here, 200:140:100 means very little (so far as strat goes) *IF* the 200 man country has the SE corner of Ndisles or Mindanao. HTC has modified the strat to the extent that numbers don't always prevail (given the indicated positioning of the countries.) Of course, in AH1, number were far more important.
In short, I had more FUN as a rook. And, since it's my $15, don't expect me to have a less enjoyable experience just because you don't like the looks of the roster.
Since we are talking about chess pieces and not culture, it's safe to assume the above paragraph means one thing: You prefer to be with the country who has the largest numbers. You should remember the old adage "what goes around, comes around." The wheel will indeed turn and then I'll get to watch Simaril scurry to the side with the advantage and spout similar self-serving garbage as the post I just read about his new side.
It's been said many times, but a good part of the apparent imbalance is rganization rather than total mass. I've been ountnumbered as a rook in the mornings fairly frequently, but I haven't yet had the chutzpah to post the grid on the BBS.
Given the current strat model, very little happens in the morning that changes country base captures.
I now know what I couldnt see as a newly minted AH'er -- that there are many truly excellent pilots with the Bish and Nits. (And they all seem to find my icon strangely attracts their shells.) However, my experience with the swarm of less capable, less strategically minded, adn probably nonBBS posting Bish pilots drove me to leave that team.
If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?
You simply lack the perspective that time provides. Prior to November 2002 (for about a year), Knights had superior numbers and yes, we were blessed with numerous postings such as yours about the quality of Knight strategy/skill/whatever. Prior to November 2001 (approximately), Bishops had superior numbers, and again, we got to listen to the same sort of crap from them.
I know because we were rotating among all three countries. We ended up Bishop semi-permanently simply because they had the smallest numbers.
There are no advantages to one country, all things equal. If you'll stick around for awhile, you will find that each country has a few characters that you enjoy gaming with. Gaming consists of doing whatever you enjoy (strat/furballing/whatever.)
It would be difficult for me to give up the pleasure of my bishop friends (and a relief to give up my bishop idiots - both groups have sizable numbers) if suddenly the the Rooks or Knights found themselves consistently and grossly outnumbered, but I would do it in a heartbeat to enhance the gaming experience. Been there, done it.
It is amusing to read posts like this. There's very little that can occur in Aces High that I haven't seen, but it's always interesting to watch folks justify their reasons for inappropriate behavior. Since you are a newcomer, I'll simply mark your reaction down to ignorance rather than anti-social behavior. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Now that AH2 is here, 200:140:100 means very little (so far as strat goes) *IF* the 200 man country has the SE corner of Ndisles or Mindanao. HTC has modified the strat to the extent that numbers don't always prevail (given the indicated positioning of the countries.) Of course, in AH1, number were far more important.
curly
Huh?
What game you playing?
How was the strat modified to that extent?
Sure HTC changed the city a bit and made it alot harder for a small number of people to quickly capture a base.
But a horde usually brings an over kill of ord anyway. so for them thats not a problem.
Numbers are every bit as important in the steamroll.
And if they dont prevail its bacause one or a combination of 3 things happened.
Poor planning,execution and/or someone ran around and killed all the barracks. And even then. If it was planned right That would be a mere speed bump.
Contrary to popular beleif. Rooks are not great planners.
They put up great numbers yes And some equally great missions as posted above. But the numbers are the primary reason for much of their success as typically the large numbers more then make up for the shortcommings in planning.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Huh?
What game you playing?
How was the strat modified to that extent?
Sure HTC changed the city a bit and made it alot harder for a small number of people to quickly capture a base.
A number of things: 1) Reduced the number of barracks at each field (towns no longer have a barracks, 2) reduced the effectiveness of airfield ack, thereby making it easy for a single fighter to kill barracks and 3) greatly increased the number of town buildings (which means than sneak captures are rare.)
For example, I frequently up a 262 and kill the barracks at 3 fields. It was impossible to do this in AH1 due to the accuracy of airfield ack.
Obviously, I'm playing a different game than you. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
For example, I frequently up a 262 and kill the barracks at 3 fields. It was impossible to do this in AH1 due to the accuracy of airfield ack.
curly
only 3? i got 6 last night in one sorty in a mossie...rooks didnt seem to care about this silly wooden thing with all that ord.........oh and then i shot down a nik to boot, before running out of fuel 2 miles from base :mad: still got 20 perks....oh god i love the 1.8 perk modifier we had........
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Originally posted by AKcurly
It meant that you, as a new person, shouting that "hey, there are bombers inbound" had incorrectly priortized the available tasks and the wiser heads than you had to decided to attack another threat. .....
Since we are talking about chess pieces and not culture, it's safe to assume the above paragraph means one thing: You prefer to be with the country who has the largest numbers. You should remember the old adage "what goes around, comes around." The wheel will indeed turn and then I'll get to watch Simaril scurry to the side with the advantage and spout similar self-serving garbage as the post I just read about his new side........
You simply lack the perspective that time provides. Prior to November 2002 (for about a year), Knights had superior numbers and yes, we were blessed with numerous postings such as yours about the quality of Knight strategy/skill/whatever. Prior to November 2001 (approximately), Bishops had superior numbers, and again, we got to listen to the same sort of crap from them....
I know because we were rotating among all three countries. We ended up Bishop semi-permanently simply because they had the smallest numbers......
There are no advantages to one country, all things equal. It is amusing to read posts like this. There's very little that can occur in Aces High that I haven't seen, but it's always interesting to watch folks justify their reasons for inappropriate behavior. Since you are a newcomer, I'll simply mark your reaction down to ignorance rather than anti-social behavior. :)......
curly
Frankly, Curly, I'm stunned by the naked arrogance in your post -- especially from a guy who's spend years as a teacher. Closed minds are supposed to be more a marker of ignorance than knowledge, and you spent your career in "higher" education if I recall. I personally find that teaching new students keeps me sharp, as all that new blood keeps challenging my preconceptions. Makes one wonder where you're coming from, cause you were anything but open to me...
Reread my post -- I never claimed rooks were superior as pilots. In fact, I pretty much said the opposite, that there were excellent pilots in every country. In the context of this thread, which heavily discussed reasons for the numbers imbalance, I said my experience might shed some light on why newbies might be prone to the rooks. Like it or not, not everyone is as experienced and talented as you are. Oh, and for clarification -- I switched WITH MY SQUAD in my second month,which March '04. (I didnt join BBS till May.)
I'm not sure what planet you fly on, but in AH there's very little action based on "wiser heads prioritizing." Witness the way rooks can have huge numbers advantages but still not take a base for 3 hours. I used bombers inbound as an example, but it was actually much more common to see the (no doubt less talented and intelligent than you) Bish around me try to take a base for 20 minutes without bothering to get the VH at all, with defending vehicles continually interfering. Needless to say, if you keep getting Osties in the town you're not takin no base nohow. I guess I fail to see how wiser heads can justify that.
And, despite your blithe assertion, I do not prefer to be part of the horde. I generally look for boxes with essentially equal numbers, for the obvious reason that I cant find anything to shoot at when the swarm of locusts descends. In the middle of a horde, mid range players can't get to the victims fast enough to get a shot -- the vets work their magic and blast 'em long before we'd be ready.
Your comment about the uselessness of the morning for strat reasons also ignores the reality that even with the numbers the rooks are often ineffective strategically. You're just spouting a variant of the traditional numbers whine. I may not call you a producer of "self serving garbage," mostly because numbers whines are just regurgitated repetitiveness.
What you're missing in my post was the emphasis on the REASONS for the imbalance. I didn't have fun as a bish, not because I like outnumbering people but because as a bish I always felt alone -- and frustrated at the strategic and tactical decisions I SAW made around me. I may have been new to AH, but I've played strategy war games since Panzer Blitz was brand new. I even remember when SSI only made boxed games, and when computer games came in baggies. Don't assume that because I didn't play AW1 I must be an idiot.
You've been a bish long enough for calcification to set in, and you have a network of relationships. I never said NO ONE can have fun as a bish. But at least consider the possibility that people leave the bish not because they want to outnumber people, but because, say, rook strangers will call 6's and include new guys in their flights. I find people going out of their way to include me as a rook. I even had one guy this week give up a kill to let me have the satisfaction of downing the last of a bomber trio that jumped my supply goon a few minutes earlier. (Bombers running for home popped over a ridge directly above my NOE goon in a "safe" sector, and only had to press the trigger to make a goon flambe'. Grrr.)
that's what I find as a rook. If you enjoy being a bish, I'm honestly happy for you, and I'm sorry if somehow you took my first post as a personal slight. I only wanted to point out that there are other, non-random factors that affect country distribution.
Again, curly, I have to say that I'm disappointed in the arrogant disrespect you demonstrated towards my comments. I'd expected a bit higher level of interaction from you.
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Originally posted by Simaril
And, despite your blithe assertion, I do not prefer to be part of the horde. I generally look for boxes with essentially equal numbers, for the obvious reason that I cant find anything to shoot at when the swarm of locusts descends. In the middle of a horde, mid range players can't get to the victims fast enough to get a shot -- the vets work their magic and blast 'em long before we'd be ready.
This is incredibly important for people to understand. Being in a horde, especially a horde in great disproportion to the enemy is NOT in any way, shape, or form conducive to getting easier kills, more kills, or even any kills at all. In fact, as Simaril points out, you have to be PERFECT in your timing, aim and tactical positioning to have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a kill at all. Your upper-echelon players will be getting the vast majority of the kills, your average player is going to STARVE to death for kills in this situation.
It is for this reason most prefer to be at least locally even, or even preferably, locally out-numbered by a small margin.
With all things warlike there is the omnipresent risk/reward balance. A big, one-sided horde means very little risk, but also very little potential reward for your average person.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Simaril
Frankly, Curly, I'm stunned by the naked arrogance in your post
Perhaps, but it certainly wasn't intended to be arrogant. Not that it matters at all, but I listened to the rooks whine & complain for over two years about low numbers. I used to constantly get private messages from Rooks complaining if the AKs attacked rooks (because of low numbers on the rook side.)
The Knights had a good run on numbers that lasted over a year and there were Knights everywhere offering advice on why people were flying Knights.
And now, the rooks have had a good run (over 1.5 years) and once again, I'm hearing "good advice." Perhaps I've had my fill of "good advice." :)
There are essentially 3 types of players: a) guys who furball, b) guys who play for strat, and c) quake type fellows. Well, actually 4, but the fighter sweep guys are fairly rare now. Anyway, when one side achieves a temporary numbers advantage, the quake type (for the most part) move to the side with the numbers advantage.
I'm not sure what planet you fly on, but in AH there's very little action based on "wiser heads prioritizing." Witness the way rooks can have huge numbers advantages but still not take a base for 3 hours. I used bombers
Yes and that's because there's a significant group of Bishops/Knights (whoever) that are killing troops. No troops, no base capture.
On any given night, there will be a number of new guys (guys who haven't quite figured out the strat situation.) It takes a while to become comfortable with it I suppose. Now, suppose new guy x says "threat y" is coming and I know that I should ignore threat y and concentrate on something else. What am I supposed to do? If I take the time to type a response, I'll be typing all night because that type of question comes up in the country channel every minute or so.
The way to learn the game is join a squad. If you like to furball, then join a furball squad; similarly for strat stuff. The squad will tell you what is important.
And, despite your blithe assertion, I do not prefer to be part of the horde. I generally look for boxes with essentially equal numbers, for the obvious reason that I cant find anything to shoot at when the swarm of locusts descends. In the middle of a horde, mid range players can't get to the victims fast enough to get a shot -- the vets work their magic and blast 'em long before we'd be ready.
I believe you, but the hoarde persists and it pretty much screws up the game for both strat and furball types.
What you're missing in my post was the emphasis on the REASONS for the imbalance. I didn't have fun as a bish, not because I like outnumbering people but because as a bish I always felt alone -- and frustrated at the strategic and tactical decisions I SAW made around me. I may have been new to AH, but I've played strategy war games since Panzer Blitz was brand new. I even remember when SSI only made boxed games, and when computer games came in baggies. Don't assume that because I didn't play AW1 I must be an idiot.
I never played AW any flavor. ;) And, had you joined a Bish squad, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
You've been a bish long enough for calcification to set in, and you have a network of relationships. I never said NO ONE can have fun as a bish. But at least consider the possibility that people leave the bish not because they want to outnumber people, but because, say, rook strangers will call 6's and include new guys in their flights.
At the risk of sounding arrogant, you are wrong about 6 calls. Many of us have flown for all three countries for extended periods of time. There are no differences among the countries. All countries call sixes. I'm not saying you're lying, but you flew bish when you were new and joined a squad towards the end, right? New guys who are not in a squad are dead meat.
that's what I find as a rook. If you enjoy being a bish, I'm honestly happy for you, and I'm sorry if somehow you took my first post as a personal slight. I only wanted to point out that there are other, non-random factors that affect country distribution.
And once again, there is exactly one factor which affects country distribution: Numbers attract numbers until an unusual circumstance changes the distribution. It's not quality of sticks, quality of planning, generosity of country mates or any of those items. It is sheer numbers. We lost a squad member last week because he said "he was tired of flying on the outnumbered side. He wanted to be on the side with greater numbers." It's a common attitude.
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I believe you, but the hoarde persists and it pretty much screws up the game for both strat and furball types.curly
I sense this is a big part of the bitter streak I read in your posts. And, as it seems numbers are a major issue for you, I wonder if the numbers issue has blinded you to even the possibility that anything else could be palying a role.
Originally posted by AKcurly
I never played AW any flavor. ;) And, had you joined a Bish squad, we wouldn't be having this conversation.curly [/B]
Umm, think about it Curly -- I did join a bish squad, about a week after starting AH.
Originally posted by AKcurly
At the risk of sounding arrogant, you are wrong about 6 calls. Many of us have flown for all three countries for extended periods of time. There are no differences among the countries. All countries call sixes. I'm not saying you're lying, but you flew bish when you were new and joined a squad towards the end, right? New guys who are not in a squad are dead meat.curly [/B]
You seem to keep focusing on the easy issue and ignoring the more challenging ones. Neither inbound bombers or 6 calls are my central point. I also mentioned bits about failing to do obvious things like hit the Vh when vehicles are a problem. When I see rooks go after base, there seems to be an institutional informal organization about it -- somebody gets the VH, somebody clears the ack, then people go after the town. Attack rides call out "what needs eggs" when they arrive on station. Never saw this as a bish. And,, hey, it just feels good to have guys pull off to let you get a kill. Seen that much on your side?
Also, curly, you're forgetting about cultural shift. You've been a bish for a long while, and an intelligent person would have to consider that things may have changed since you were last there.
Originally posted by AKcurly
And once again, there is exactly one factor which affects country distribution: Numbers attract numbers until an unusual circumstance changes the distribution. It's not quality of sticks, quality of planning, generosity of country mates or any of those items. It is sheer numbers. We lost a squad member last week because he said "he was tired of flying on the outnumbered side. He wanted to be on the side with greater numbers." It's a common attitude.
curly [/B]
Here comes that arrogance thing again -- how can you possibly know that "there is exactly one thing" affecting country distribution? My whole point is that something else may be going on, and many old hands (regardlless of AW membership) like you just dont want to consider the possibility.
Let's just play a game here, and pretend that someone other than Curly might have a worthwhile idea. Lets imagine that a year ago, a few rooks are more open to organized activities, and have the initiative to make things happen. They know the furballers aren't going to go along, but they gather others with like minds and organize missions, with formalized high and low cover, etc. This attracts other fliers who enjoy that organized style, and before long they take the next step -- joint squad operations, with base targets assigned by squad, fighter squads providing cover, etc all along a front.
People who like this stuff are impressed. Bish and Nits who don't see this level of organization at home consider switching. But, the majority stay put. Over time, the guys who like higher level of organization preferentially stay longer on the rook side. Rook numbers climb AT THAT POINT, as randomness is superimposed on nonrandom factors. Once the disparity gets annoying, the last phase occurs --people who follow the numbers switch to catch up with an already established wave.
You're a math guy, so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of selection bias. This is how selection bias works outside of the classroom -- groups become nonrandom based on human choices influenced by a factor extraneous to the study design. You may not like it, but it happens in the messy reality outisde the classroom.
Curly, you've openly said that you already know the answer and you're not open to any other opinions. I can understand how a math teacher could feel that way (2+2 isnt open for discussion), but I'd hope you have the epidemiologic background to see that a host of factors interact when large numbers of humans get involved. In any case, I'm glad I wasnt in your classroom.
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Originally posted by Simaril
I sense this is a big part of the bitter streak I read in your posts. And, as it seems numbers are a major issue for you, I wonder if the numbers issue has blinded you to even the possibility that anything else could be palying a role.
Umm, think about it Curly -- I did join a bish squad, about a week after starting AH.
You seem to keep focusing on the easy issue and ignoring the more challenging ones. Neither inbound bombers or 6 calls are my central point. I also mentioned bits about failing to do obvious things like hit the Vh when vehicles are a problem. When I see rooks go after base, there seems to be an institutional informal organization about it -- somebody gets the VH, somebody clears the ack, then people go after the town. Attack rides call out "what needs eggs" when they arrive on station. Never saw this as a bish. And,, hey, it just feels good to have guys pull off to let you get a kill. Seen that much on your side?
Also, curly, you're forgetting about cultural shift. You've been a bish for a long while, and an intelligent person would have to consider that things may have changed since you were last there.
Here comes that arrogance thing again -- how can you possibly know that "there is exactly one thing" affecting country distribution? My whole point is that something else may be going on, and many old hands (regardlless of AW membership) like you just dont want to consider the possibility.
Let's just play a game here, and pretend that someone other than Curly might have a worthwhile idea. Lets imagine that a year ago, a few rooks are more open to organized activities, and have the initiative to make things happen. They know the furballers aren't going to go along, but they gather others with like minds and organize missions, with formalized high and low cover, etc. This attracts other fliers who enjoy that organized style, and before long they take the next step -- joint squad operations, with base targets assigned by squad, fighter squads providing cover, etc all along a front.
People who like this stuff are impressed. Bish and Nits who don't see this level of organization at home consider switching. But, the majority stay put. Over time, the guys who like higher level of organization preferentially stay longer on the rook side. Rook numbers climb AT THAT POINT, as randomness is superimposed on nonrandom factors. Once the disparity gets annoying, the last phase occurs --people who follow the numbers switch to catch up with an already established wave.
You're a math guy, so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of selection bias. This is how selection bias works outside of the classroom -- groups become nonrandom based on human choices influenced by a factor extraneous to the study design. You may not like it, but it happens in the messy reality outisde the classroom.
Curly, you've openly said that you already know the answer and you're not open to any other opinions. I can understand how a math teacher could feel that way (2+2 isnt open for discussion), but I'd hope you have the epidemiologic background to see that a host of factors interact when large numbers of humans get involved. In any case, I'm glad I wasnt in your classroom.
I'm not fond of exchanging personal attacks, so I think I'll bow out of this one.
curly
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Curly, I apologize if my response stooped to the level of personal attack. That is inappropriate on my part. Forgive me.
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