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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: lwp508 on August 09, 2004, 11:52:56 PM
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nailed saying I'm a crybaby , jus t looking for honest opinions . and a big thank you to widewing and fuseman for the help in the training area
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Originally posted by lwp508
nailed saying I'm a crybaby
The answer is simple.... don't whine about getting killed, no check6 etc.... bite your tongue and tell yourself "it's only a game". Most of all - have fun! :)
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I have alot of fun for about an hour then I just want to kill someone. Maybe I need to hook up with a squadren or something . By the way I replied to your earlier post .
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LOL yes, I have just replied to your other post too, and joining a squad was one of my suggestions there - just don't rush into joining the first one you come across. Ask to fly with a few to see how you get along first and then decide. :)
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Yes, I have learned a lot faster by joining a squad. It
still will take you a long time to be "effective" in this game.
Go into it with the attitude that you WILL get killed at
least 10 times for every 1 kill you make (or more), but each
time you go up, record your engagements (Using ALT R)
and review them at the end of the night. Use this as a great
tool to see what you did to get you into a bad situation, and
what it would take the next time to avoid that.
The film viewer is awesome (if the viewer decides not to crash on you..it's still a bit buggy). The films let you view ANY pilot's
cockpit within a certain range of where you were when you were
recording. Next time you get killed, note the name of the pilot
that killed you. Then when you review the film, ride along in
his plane and see what tactics he used to get on your six.
If you find a friend in here that is great at the game, ask
him if you can ride along with him . If you can, and he's in a fighter, look his name up in the "Join" section of the game,
click on his name, and when he accepts you..you are an observer
in his plane. You won;t be able to control anything accept
your own views (left, right, up etc.). this is kinda cool way of
learning too.
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lwp508 ~
You've been provided with a short list of valuable advice. Here's another tip: find a plane you're comfortable in and stick with it. Maximize its head positions, fine tune its gun convergence and get to know all its strenghts & weaknesses. Altitude = potential energy. Use it wisely. When you encounter a furball - kinda hard NOT TO DO on the small maps...stick to the outter perimeter and hunt the strays on the fringe. ALWAYS check your SIX and give "check 6's" whenever you can. Never up from a capped field unless you plan to die.
Conquering the learning curve is half the fun. Be patient...kills will come and deaths will subside.
DmdMax
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lwp, ty anything I can do to help I will. What is your handle in the game? I'll look out for you and try for some 1 on 1 stuff before the free period ends if we meet.
As mentioned above the H2H will still be available after the tryout is over, free for you to use until your ready to join up.
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handle is a508 and once again thank you.
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I fly in the MA pretty much exclusivley. Im in a squad. We fly Knights. IF thats who you are flying for we would be more than happy to help you in any way we can.
Learning this game (I still am after a couple years )can be extremely frustrating. I have lost my temper more than once. I have slammed my chair backwards and walked away for a few days. Even quit a few months.
Lemme tell you it is fun. Once you treat it just as it is. A GAME. I still get frustrated at times but not NEAR the level I used to.
Find a Squad as was mentioned. Fly with them or near them. Help where you can. Dont be afraid to ask questuions. Youll get the smart a** answer Im sure but someone will answer you in a polite way Im sure as well.
Find one plane. Fly it ALOT. Bored with flying it fly it some more. When you have everything set and you finally feel comfortable, one day youll be flying and notice..."Holy **** I have 5 kills this run" :rofl Don't be concerned with what somoeone says about what you fly. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.
Welcome to AH. Youll find that this game can be a great deal of fun. You can make new friends(all be it online). You can learn all the time even when you become what you think of as good.
Enjoy it:)
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When i started i got shot down all the time trying to get a kill.
Then i changed strategy.
I tried to NOT get killed myself, waisting all my energy with staying behind the enemys.
When you can fly in enemy space for the whole fuel tank worth and get back and land, without any kill, that is GREAT skill.
Start to get kills later.
ciao schutt
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Originally posted by RedTop
... Don't be concerned with what somoeone says about what you fly. TRUST ME ON THIS ONE ...
RedTop is a Spit DWEEB !!!! ;)
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Fly the Dweeb seven (La7) from novice to ace in 30 secs....
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by lwp508
I have alot of fun for about an hour then I just want to kill someone. Maybe I need to hook up with a squadren or something . By the way I replied to your earlier post .
I would suggest you play 59 mins at a time. ;)
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Fly the Dweeb seven (La7) from novice to ace in 30 secs....
DoctorYo
nice stinkbait, but the average la-7 weenie doesn't have a clue anyway. all they do is run when they inevitably screw up, which is why people really whine about the la7.
the la7 is both over- and underestimated... for all the wrong, clueless reasons
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Every time I get shot down, I get the first second of being pissed then I think well if nobody got shot down no one would have any fun, so by me getting shot down once in a while someone is having some fun so....
At least your allowing for everyone to have some fun.
It's ghey but it works lol.:D
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Shane I guess if the shoe fits wear it..
The La7 is the most survivable plane in the planeset.. thats why i gave him that advice.. he's tired of dying so im giving him the best chance to survive with the least amount of skillset to learn.. note i didn't say shanemobile i said dweeb seven but if you take offense.. I happy to hear that...Truth always hurts the most...
you only need one skill set to fly it.. and thats understanding turn radii and throttle management.. (similiar to the attributes of the spit.. but the la7 is 70mph faster.)
once you understand that your aircraft is more adept at killing than say a spitfire.. or anything else in the main..
Dont mean to hijack but i was serious when i I said fly the La7 not bait its the truth....
Hijack over..
new guy.. trust me on this fly the la7 listen to the other advice about not upping capped fields etc.. youll improve ...
Learn to cut throttle into a turn and accelerate out of the corner, much like driving a car... (downshifting into and accel out of it..) (dont cut full throttle, use more like 3/4 to 1/2 when cutting; but think turn radii whenever turning with something..
learn these skills and fly the la7.. you cant go wrong..
throw in some e fighting lessons for advanced training youll be a ace in no time..
DoctorYo
PS Shane fly a zeke/d11 for a tour..... you need to be re-educated... Then we will debate if you up for it..
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Shane I guess if the shoe fits wear it..
The La7 is the most survivable plane in the planeset..
once you understand that your aircraft is more adept at killing than say a spitfire.. or anything else in the main..
Dont mean to hijack but i was serious when i I said fly the La7 not bait its the truth....
PS Shane fly a zeke/d11 for a tour..... you need to be re-educated... Then we will debate if you up for it..
survivabilty doesn't make one an "ace." you're just encouraging the development of yet another HO/Run Dweeb. La7's not a plane ot learn acm in, it's a plane to take the acm you've learned in other planes to a higher level.
too many "la7 dweebs" don't even get to that point because they've never mastered acm in other planes - result? whines about la7 this la7 that, which are merely disguised whines about *how* someone flies, not *what* someone flies. namely, running cherrypickers. these "e-fighting" "aces" in la7's are figments of your over active imagination. they're fairly cluess overall, this is very noticeable when you catch them alone or only with a single buddy.
I know quite well the qualities of a d11... I can fly *anything* effectively, I merely choose the La7 for it's abilities to both run down runners and give spit/niki dweebs the shock of their lives when they get out turned - even slow...
innomi's stats page (tours 24+) shows me 631 kills to 204 deaths in a d11. and i flew it as aggressive as i fly any plane i pick for a sortie. this isn't even including the time i've spent in one in the CT.
as for a zeke, i'll take a spit5 over one thank you very much.
I've done my time in almost all planes, with very few exceptions such as a 190f-8, even the hangar queens I've spent time in, especially in the CT where their qualities shine when matched with comparable planes from the same time frame.
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A question and a comment.
Question: Which La was available in Air Warriors?
Comment: I rarely fly the La7 in AH due to the fact that visibility over the front cowling is almost nill fronm a straight back or raised seat position...the "move-up" view. How do you La7 guys get hits?
DmdMax
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AW had the la-5...
as for the la7, you get used to the semi-crappy views, and learn to shoot closer in, even then it's not easy... especially with deflection shots, 150 rds per 3 guns doesn't last that long, and the ballistics aren't all that great.
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I think we should the title of this thread Shanes frustrated..
:eek:
:confused:
:lol
As Sgt Wolka always said.
"Lighten up Frances"
DoctorYo
PS: Shane ive flown everycrate in this game so far also and the la7 is the best non perked ride in the game.. Also note if telling the man about turn radii (aggressive stall fighting for the numskull impaired) is corrupting his flying style compared to your wishes then im truely not sorry to offend..
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
PS: Shane ive flown everycrate in this game so far also and the la7 is the best non perked ride in the game.. Also note if telling the man about turn radii (aggressive stall fighting for the numskull impaired) is corrupting his flying style compared to your wishes then im truely not sorry to offend..
the la7 is?? nooooo kidding!!!! best for what, tho? stats will seem to contradict this claim as the la7 only has a middling k/d. 11 other non-perked fighters have better k/ds. as i said, the avg la7 weenie has no clue, and hence the cries for perking are.... misplaced.
i've been on the other side of the vs la7 equation, and let me tell ya, there's very little to whine about the plane, about *how* it's flown (like ponys and dorkas), sure, but about the plane itself, nah. it can get shot down just as easy as anything else in the right situation. and like several other planes, it has the ability to get outta dodge.
i highly doubt a noob would have much of a clue about turn radii... so try and spin it as fast as you can, it's you who's frustrated, apparently, hence the barely disguised la7 whine in a thread that it need not be in.
persoanlly i'd suggest a noob start off with the spit9, then progress to a f6f, then a yak9u, then a pony, then a 109, then jugs, then la7's... and then round out with the rest of the set to find the plane/style that most suits their abilities and temperament.
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Ripnpaste:
the la7 is?? nooooo kidding!!!! best for what, tho? stats will seem to contradict this claim as the la7 only has a middling k/d. 11 other non-perked fighters have better k/ds. as i said, the avg la7 weenie has no clue, and hence the cries for perking are.... misplaced.
Ill use your own words for that foolish foolery; note a few thread replies earlier:
too many "la7 dweebs" don't even get to that point because they've never mastered acm in other planes
I never said I didn't agree with that but from the horses mouth (you) I cant say i dont concur..
IMO all latewar should be perked not just your beloved la7.. its just the best of the bunch..
in regards to what lwp508 wants to fly, i have to agree with the spit9 or the la7 as your initial aircraft.. (both aircraft can do it all just one is 70mph faster than the other; and the spit turns better and has better view/loadout options..)
Now this is my favorite part : Ripnpaste
innomi's stats page (tours 24+) shows me 631 kills to 204 deaths in a d11. and i flew it as aggressive as i fly any plane i pick for a sortie. this isn't even including the time i've spent in one in the CT.
I haven't been there in a while and im glad you reminded me of that excellent web site..
Note Shane:
http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/careerstats.php?sortby=&player=shane
Note Doctoryo:
http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/careerstats.php?sortby=&player=Doctoryo
normally i don't bring up stats but since the above statement about your success in d11 im rofl....
but wait you fly aggressive right thats your rebuttal... Well when my zeke k/d is higher than your boom and zoomers late war... then I think your talking thru the end of your buttocks... (heres another stat 3295 posts to DoctorYo's 362; im must say at least you got me beat in something..)
yeah i can run alright in the zeke, the spit9, the p47d11, and the ki61 those are runner planes... ("uh huh i reckon" in my best sling blade voice)
:rolleyes:
stats a good one shane .......
DoctorYo
Ps: lwp508 see how everyone gets along here.. just keep plugging away and youll get better. get as much training in the TA with trainers as you can..Because they offer accelerated learning over the MA ....
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lwp or A508,
First, we have good examples and bad.
The bad - We have two guys here that entered a 'heated debate',{editted}. See how some guys get so riled up about a plane another guy flies.
The good - Others have given some good advice.
We usually start people off in the Spitfire series because it's an overall good plane, leaning to a turnfighter because most new players end up in those kind of fights. Once you learn the game and the basic flying stuff, then branch out to other planes that YOU want to fly.
Learning curve is steep but go at it gently and not try to do too much and you should be ok.
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unlike you, i don't hang around in friendly crowds picking people off and praying to get saved.. i'm sure we have quite different styles.
all late war planes perked huh? sounds like heaven, being able to tear up noobs forced to fly planes with lesser performance in conjunction with general noobishness.
and oh... lol, you're a ROOK.... now that sure explains a lot.
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DoctorYo 4.4 K/H
Shane 13.7 K/H
Shows Shane does fly a bit more agressively. ;)
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shane rarely rtb's hence no rtb return time... he flys the la7 independently giving him quicker transit time to the battle (zeke doesn't have that ability nor the d11) he only flys defense with no deep missions into enemy terroritory.. (la7 doesn't have range to do such...)
Fly two sectors into enemy territory by yourself and take on mutiple aircraft with no support kill a few, then return to base unscathed to talk about in a aircraft like a d11 (at minimum lower their alt so they attack your bases at lower alt.. hence easier meat for your base defenders ived changed the whole tides of the battle by doing this tactic at times this wins wars not the battle and at no attrition loss either.. if attrition was factored pilots like shane and the other suiciders would have no resources to fight a war..) and watch your KOT goto crap to..
Go do a bomber escort mission if they dont attack the bomber group then guess what I may just end my sortie with no kills (bummer) (not a bummer when you fubared 2 bases and your countrymen start Blitzkreiging em.. If you exempt yourself from the above missions your KOT will go up too.. Do the above and watch it drop..
I can game the game too.. but overall rank in this game is fubar with no plane weighting for KOT stats.... (or K/D or any stat with no plane weighting) any fool can attack until death and increase their KOT scores.. (you cant run in a zeke or be passive that will get you killed) The true stat for all combat (not just aircombat) is kills to deaths go do your history on warfare youll see im right again..
Vailiant effort at discreditation but thwarted.. Nice try Dip...
There is a difference between aggressivness and suicide.... you know im right... look at it this way he sporting less than 3 k/d on most of his aircraft.. thats 3 kills auger or die 3 kills auger or die.. get the picture.. im not impressed.. you also see his k/d go to crap with inferior aircraft when he not using the big 4.. this is shure sign of plane weighting i get the same thing on my stats.. but my k/d is 3-5 times higher all around.. in some of the most flimsy slow non running aircraft in the game.. (zekes) I'd like to hear your rebuttal on this..
DoctorYo
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rebuttal:
you're a rook.
blahblah for blahblahing's sake:
i do not partake of hamstardness (I outgrew that sometime back when the hamstards started multiplying like a wet gremlin and turned it into a game of sheer numbers). i am not a horde monkey. i do not care about k/d. I will continue to fly until either gas or ammo is gone, and still get kills even then, without ammo - sometimes even without gas.
i usually fight from a disadvantage in either alt or numbers, often both. i do not run from co-alt dot(s). I do not think, "crappies" i better get out of dodge before i screw up my precious k/d and leave someone hanging in the process, especially if i have gas or ammo to help.
totally different styles. the only thing we may have in common is that i do fly into injun territory, 99.8% of the time alone. i tie up multiple hamstards, and kill them, too. i do defense, sure, against big red darbars.
i do know however, i can what do you better than you can do what i do... if i so chose to. and the one i do that you do is fly into enemy territory for interdiction.
lets take a look at Kills per sortie, which is a truer measure of "effectiveness" than K/D is. we won't even throw in K/T into the equation.
and that this is merely a game, not real "war. so in effect there's nothing wrong with how you choose to fly, except that from my perspective, it's nothing impressive. i tear up dweebs like you all the time when i can actually catch you or pick you out of the crowd.
i mean how often do the k/d weenies pull out that particular stat as an indicator of skill when it's merely an indicator of judgement? there are plenty of times when i ask myself, "i can rtb now, should i? naaaaaahhh."
what would you do when your horde buddies have all disappeared and all you see is me? most likely you're gonna go down if some help doesn't arrive and you can't run fast enough.
personally i save the k/d weenieness for scenarios where attrition does come into play.
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A high k/d and low k/h tells me you probably cherry-pick and run alot. Guys like you have no idea how guys like Shane, and me for that matter, fight. Never will until you come down off that perch and mix it up.
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Shane im a knight... so your wrong yet once again... (you cant win with me can you...)been so even before your first accusation (i ignored your first simian goading response...) in fact if you broke down my original stats which i dont think Inommi's has becuase i left the game for about a year before the rook guantlet.. you would see I was a knight originally, then rook when they were getting pounded, still rook now that the numbers were skewed but to limited amount of sorties per camp..(really limited see for yourself) so your halfwitted un researched claims are meritless.. now thats rooks are out of hand ive switched before your accusations.. (note before... for the shane impaired..)
totally different styles. the only thing we may have in common is that i do fly into injun territory, 99.8% of the time alone. i tie up multiple hamstards, and kill them, too. i do defense, sure, against big red darbars.
Its not we have different styles its you suicide yourself to death every sortie..I have no problem if you suicide yourself thats you.. but when you claim fame for doing such in the best plane in the game then i say your full of it.. Well go figure your KOT is going to be much higher.. Then you claim well i get more kills per sorties.. well as stated some of my missions i get no kills.. Exp in a zeke sometimes the enemy decides to never let me get a shot at them.. ever.. is that my fault they outspeed me by 90mph (la7) not really if they dont engage i cant kill them im not miracle worker even though ive been known to goad people into a fight over channel 1.. but beyond that if they dont want to fight im limited in opitons..
Now when im in a g10 then my stats go up.. if I flew the la7 same thing but even more so due to its strength below 10k being able to run anything down anything with a half of sector head start is a huge advantage.. you claim to fly the spit 5 (compared to you la7 time its a sorry claim..) but yet you fail to interpret this.. sometimes I dont even take off on the runway.. i click the wrong mission set wrong ammo or ord and just end mission right there.... but k/d you cant really cant game it..(unless you fly all late war.. hence plane weight would be appreciated from htc.. you cant trick the system or exploit it.. its always standard never dynamic..)
You keep talking how i do this and that.. yet you have no proof except heresay.. yet when i describe exactly how you game the game thru suicide tactics you then cry foul (even though your last post clearly admits what i described as your flying style..) you a bag of laughs shane alot of bark no bite without your dweebmobile.. your debate is weak and unsubstantiated, with little to no proof of anything.. remember you brought the stats up ... you did not me.. as I said Truth always hurts the most.. only thing you got me beat in is yapping 3200 posts and climbing.. you should be proud of that statistic.....I find it amusing your pulling the KOT card then More kills per sortie card when flying the unperked superplane that is the la7..
get the last word in... you know you want to.. and guess what Ill let you have it.. (note I'll "let" you have it...) debating with you is like debating a houseplant...
you made myday you really did... heresay claims, digging for stats, now mindreading how i fly ... yet when i deductive reasoned how you flew by your own words i was dead on.. sucks debating DoctorYo doesn't it.. you cant win.. not if im in the right and I am..
Have a big fat Rook(im now knit, been so for a week) Muahahahah I now know why they nicknamed your the slobbermonkey.. Fitting..
have a nice day..
DoctorYO
PS Dipstick grats on flying the d11 successfully.. now start landing more than half the time, 2.0 kills to 1.4-5 is rather feeble minded to accuse anything but hey im not nocking you at least you fly d11... your crew chief is going to give you demerits for all that ammo blown but whose counting....
the the below posts by shane.. you look disappointed with your slobbering..
i could easily slap you around in any ride you chose. but that's a different skill-set, one i bet you hardly possess.
Now I know ive been debating a houseplant.. Thats just plain belligerent. I bet your best pilot on the planet too delivering presents for santa and Rudolf.. HO HO HO.....
4 kills is misrepresenting out of 22 is 18% how thats misrepresenting on day 13 of the month is a laugher, dig deeper for those wooden nickels in your pocket.. (who coined slobbermonkey damn thats good. )
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Originally posted by DipStick
DoctorYo 4.4 K/H
Shane 13.7 K/H
Shows Shane does fly a bit more agressively. ;)
the 461 kills as a ship gunner are particularly impressive!!!
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lwp508,
Ignore what Shane says. Just get past it. And ask him to give you lessons in the Dueling Arena. One on One he is a professional and polite teacher. He is also a very good teacher. But only if you make the effort. Then do ride on's with him. After that wing with him if you can stay up.
When this is done. Ride with DoctorYO and wing with him.
Then for one month all month long, every night, 30 nights, fly only a P47-D11 for everything you do. The next month you will be handing people their rudders with fry's. :)
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Originally posted by DoctorYO [/b]
Shane im a knight... so your wrong yet once again... (you cant win with me can you...)
you lost any credibility now, as far back as tour 47 you've been rook. you have a grand total of 4 kills as a knit for this tour - you just switched, great. but i hate people who misrepresent things.
sometimes I dont even take off on the runway.. i click the wrong mission set wrong ammo or ord and just end mission right there....
nooo kidding, me too... hell, i also auger in just to switch sides or go to the DA, with or without having any kills that sortie.
you a bag of laughs shane alot of bark no bite without your dweebmobile.. your debate is weak and unsubstantiated, with little to no proof of anything..
i could easily slap you around in any ride you chose. but that's a different skill-set, one i bet you hardly possess.
remember you brought the stats up ... you did not me..
only because you told me to fly a d11 for a tour. I used innomi's page to show you i have experience in a d11.
as I said Truth always hurts the most.. only thing you got me beat in is yapping 3200 posts and climbing.. you should be proud of that statistic.....I find it amusing your pulling the KOT card then More kills per sortie card when flying the unperked superplane that is the la7..
I fly all planes similarly. too bad innomi's page only goes back to tour 24. the second time stats were even mentioned was my referral to the la7 having only a middling overall k/d compared to all planes. then *you* went on to try and compare yourself against me. with innomi's stats. stats are meaningless without some kind of subjective interpretation, even then stats are still meaningless. you cannot just look at one set, you have to take all factors into consideration. and looking at your overall stats, you're just a typical k/d weenie who couldn't acm his way out of an air castle.
you made my day you really did... heresay claims, digging for stats, now mindreading how i fly ... yet when i deductive reasoned how you flew by your own words i was dead on..
now that you're a knit, i'll have a better chance to see how you actually fly, no?
sucks debating DoctorYo doesn't it.. you cant win.. not if im in the right and I am..
it only sucks because you're relatively clueless. your opening post in this thread indicated that quite clearly.
Have a big fat Rook(im now knit, been so for a week)
a week, eh? for a grand total of 4 kills. wow, awesome. again i disdain dweebs who overtly misrepresent things.
it'll be amusing to observe your style and find i'm right in pegging you and your style. hell, i bet you don't even last 2 tours as a knit.
cheer up maybe someday the more clued in might give you the recognition for your "greatness."
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
the 461 kills as a ship gunner are particularly impressive!!!
in over 2 years, not so bad i guess. you want impressive ship gunner stats, check out whels. :D
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Shane,
When are you normally on and what arena? I've seen your films and been smacked around by you a few times and would like to wing or ride on board to learn. As for the little arguement here, don't sweat it. Those of us who have seen the films and faced you know the truth. >>><<<
lwp508,
Bustr's right, if you ever get a chance to see Shane in action take it. He is an amazing pilot!
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You do have to get past Shane calling you a rooktarded gangbangin spitdweeb however:p
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usually in MA these days, sometimes in CT (but not lately) and inconsistent with my playing times... if you see me on, just ask.
I never refuse a rider if they ask first, and sometimes if not too busy will take someone to DA for some lessons.
i do wish however that riders had more data to work with, like seeing all of the instrumentation working - and i'd love to have a command to allow a rider to slave their views to mine so they see what i see (although our head position settings may be slightly different)
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Originally posted by lwp508
I have alot of fun for about an hour then I just want to kill someone. Maybe I need to hook up with a squadren or something . By the way I replied to your earlier post .
My sqaud is what has kept this game alive for me. With summer now its a rarity for us to all get together and go hunting like we used to but once summer ends things will get going again, that I'm certain of.
lwp the best advise I got for ya is to look around first and fly with several different squads. Most are more than happy to take on new guys ( you are new right? Meant no offence by that) and help them learn the game. A squad that is willing to help a new player get started basicly takes the learning curve out of the equation. And knowledge will be handed to you faster than you will be able to take it in.
Last thing I recomend in looking for a squad is for you to figure out just what it is you enjoy doing. I enjoy doing anything I feel like doing when ever I want. Some squads are very diciplined. They only fly one type of plane and thats that. Others only do the GV thing. And then there are some that just fly bombers. The Army Of Muppets are mainly a fighter squad at heart but we do it all and have no limitations set for us as to what we are allowed to do and not too.
Thats about it.
Good luck and if you need help with anything my email is belowe. Email me and we can hook up and work on some things if you'd like.