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Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Hortlund on August 11, 2004, 06:23:03 AM
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Bin Laden hints major assassination


By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


U.S. intelligence officials say a high-profile political assassination, triggered by the public release of a new message from Osama bin Laden, will lead off the next major al Qaeda terrorist attack, The Washington Times has learned.
The assassination plan is among new details of al Qaeda plots disclosed by U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports who, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the killing could be carried out against a U.S. or foreign leader either in the United States or abroad.


The officials mentioned Saudi Arabia and Yemen, two nations that are working with the United States in the battle against al Qaeda, as likely locales for the opening assassination.
The planning for the attacks to follow involves "multiple targets in multiple venues" across the United States, one official said.
The new details of al Qaeda's plans were found on a laptop computer belonging to arrested al Qaeda operative Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan of Pakistan.
"We're talking about planning at the screwdriver level," one official said. "It is very detailed."
Khan was arrested July 13 in Lahore, Pakistan, along with Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian who was indicted in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa and was on the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorists.
U.S. and allied counterterrorism officials are pursuing leads on other terrorists based on the data from Khan's seized laptop. At least one arrest in Britain has been made so far, and others are expected, the officials said.
Additionally, U.S. intelligence officials said they think that several al Qaeda terrorists already in the United States are part of the plot, although their identities and locations are not known.
The targets, in addition to the financial institutions in New York, Washington and Newark, N.J., that have been the subject of public warnings, include such economic-related targets as oil and gas facilities with a view toward disrupting the November election.

"The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the U.S. economy and to undermine the U.S. election," the official said. "The view of al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush.' "


The officials also said the terrorist group has begun using female members for preattack surveillance and possibly as suicide bombers, thinking that women will have an easier time getting past security checkpoints at airports, borders and ports.
The al Qaeda attack plans call for bombings using trucks and cars, and hijacked aircraft, including commercial airliners and helicopters.
"There is a particular concern that chemical trucks will be used," one official said.
Regarding the new bin Laden message, the officials said there are intelligence reports, some of them sketchy, that a new tape from the al Qaeda leader will surface soon.
In the past, video and audio messages by bin Laden or his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, were broadcast days or weeks before an attack, the officials said.
"The message likely will be the signal for the attack to be launched," one official said.
A second U.S. official said one intelligence agency was aware of unconfirmed reports of a new bin Laden tape.
"There may be such a tape, but it hasn't surfaced and we haven't seen it," this official said.
Bin Laden last released a taped message in April. The CIA said that the audiotape probably was the voice of bin Laden and that the mention of the March 11 Madrid train bombings shows that the tape was current.
That tape offered a "truce" for any European state that pledged to stop attacking Muslims and end cooperation with the United States.
Contrary to what some Democratic critics of the Bush administration have said, intelligence officials said the new details of al Qaeda planning were obtained from the Khan laptop. The terrorist group was in the process of updating older attack plans, the officials said.
On Aug. 2, the Bush administration raised the terrorism threat level from "elevated" to "high" for five finance-related sites in the District, New York and New Jersey, based on the intelligence in Khan's computer, as well as other intelligence.
Frances Townsend, a White House homeland-security adviser, said Sunday that the government has received a steady "stream" of intelligence indicating that an al Qaeda attack is planned.
"What we know now that we didn't know six months ago is that they've done a good deal of planning and surveillance work to accomplish that goal," she said on CBS' "Face the Nation."


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Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Eagler on August 11, 2004, 07:03:55 AM
did Reagan break the Tecumseh Curse?
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: midnight Target on August 11, 2004, 07:27:39 AM
Well, some claim we was brain dead, but I think he did.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Westy on August 11, 2004, 08:07:51 AM
" the official said. "The view of al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush.' ""


 lol.   Attempting to paint people who do not like Bush and want him out as supporters of al Qaeda is truly pathetic.  While not a new low but it's down there.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Gunslinger on August 11, 2004, 08:24:39 AM
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Originally posted by Westy
" the official said. "The view of al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush.' ""


 lol.   Attempting to paint people who do not like Bush and want him out as supporters of al Qaeda is truly pathetic.  While not a new low but it's down there.


I dont remember reading that in the article.  Can you point out to me the line that says people who do not like Bush support Al Qaeda?
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Westy on August 11, 2004, 08:35:37 AM
Sorry man. I don't have time to spell things out in big letters for you.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Hortlund on August 11, 2004, 08:38:17 AM
Its fun to see people trying to draw their own conclusions from that quote.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: muckmaw on August 11, 2004, 08:38:26 AM
Westy, your out of line.

No one is intimating that Kerry supporters are supporting terrorists.

Thats insane.

If you believe that's whats being said here, you need to loosen the tin-foil hat.

That line reads like this to me:

Al-Qaeda is more afraid of Bush than anyone else running for president.

That's all there is to it.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Gunslinger on August 11, 2004, 08:39:54 AM
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Originally posted by Westy
Sorry man. I don't have time to spell things out in big letters for you.


probably because you cant.  You make a blanket statement of crap and when it starts stinkin you run from it.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Westy on August 11, 2004, 08:50:13 AM
Muckmaw and ****slinger you're both full of bull or blind.

"No one is intimating that Kerry supporters are supporting terrorists."


 BTW,  I did not say that.  Read my post  again.

 The staunch anti-Bush slogan has long been "anyone but Bush."   And now the adminstration ("the official") has tried to link thier view ("anyone but Bush") with those supposedly of AQ.  
 Similar to the same kind of alienating crap they pulled when they invaded Iraq;  "You're with us or with them (AQ and terrorism)"

 So did that spell it out clearly enough?  No tin foil hat needed. Just some capabililty for independent thought, freedom from party mantra and rudimentary critical reading skills are needed.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: muckmaw on August 11, 2004, 08:59:35 AM
That's a good point, Westy.

I would like to know who the "Official" is who said that and what he bases it on.

Al-Qaeda has to realize a terrorist attack only strengthens Bush's hand.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Westy on August 11, 2004, 09:05:39 AM
Thank you Muckmaw.  

And I agree with you.   Any attack would definitely make Bush's election stronger.  IMO So would the mere threat of pending attacks.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: TweetyBird on August 11, 2004, 09:11:48 AM
I don't know what it helps when news organizations print Al Queda demands. Obiously we're not going to give in to them, oviously they are twisted, obviously we know they are evil - why is the news constantly giving them a mouthpiece?

Six thugs on a skinny camel get access to the world by holding a knife to an innocent person's throat. Something is very wrong.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: mars01 on August 11, 2004, 09:53:38 AM
What's up with the hunt for Bin Laden.  Funny how everyone has seemingly forgotten about bringing him to justice.

We need this Fker dead!!!!!
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on August 11, 2004, 09:55:01 AM
Beekawz Irak = teh UU M DEE!!!
-SW
Title: Dems and Al Quaeda?
Post by: TalonX on August 11, 2004, 10:01:05 AM
I don't doubt the patriotism of the Dems...   I don't share their political views, though.

That said, it's a boon to the Republicans that Osama and the Dems support the same candidate!!  

Don't get your panties in a wad, I know we are all American Patriots, Dems and Republicans, alike.

Title: Re: Dems and Al Quaeda?
Post by: -MZ- on August 11, 2004, 12:15:06 PM
An unattributed quote in the Washington Times is worth about as much as a cup of spit.
Title: Re: Re: Dems and Al Quaeda?
Post by: Edbert on August 11, 2004, 12:54:54 PM
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Originally posted by -MZ-
An unattributed quote in the Washington Times is worth about as much as a cup of spit.

is the spit still warm or has it been allowed to cool yet?



Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: CMC Airboss on August 11, 2004, 01:54:54 PM
If I read this "press release" correctly, Bin Laden and al Qaeda are endorsing any candidate that can defeat President Bush.  eg,  a vote for Kerry is a vote for al Qaeda.  

There are only two reasons that al Qaeda doesn't want Bush to remain in office
- Bush scares them and has been effective with his anti-terror policies.
- They perceive that Kerry will be ineffective

MiG
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Bodhi on August 11, 2004, 02:05:11 PM
Guys,

Just mellow out, Westy is so desperate to get Kerry out of Massachuesettes he will say / do anything to accomplish it... kinda like Arkansas when they were trying to get rid of the turkey and the witch...
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Gunslinger on August 11, 2004, 03:03:36 PM
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I don't know what it helps when news organizations print Al Queda demands. Obiously we're not going to give in to them, oviously they are twisted, obviously we know they are evil - why is the news constantly giving them a mouthpiece?

Six thugs on a skinny camel get access to the world by holding a knife to an innocent person's throat. Something is very wrong.


For once I agree with you.  There's no way to really kill the media coverage of terrorists but I think that would go along way to hurt their cause.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: X2Lee on August 11, 2004, 04:19:44 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Westy, your out of line.

No one is intimating that Kerry supporters are supporting terrorists.
Thats insane.
If you believe that's whats being said here, you need to loosen the tin-foil hat.
That line reads like this to me:
Al-Qaeda is more afraid of Bush than anyone else running for president.
That's all there is to it.


Pssst.  He's from Mass ;)
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Dux on August 11, 2004, 04:34:44 PM
Drop that paintbrush, Lee.
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Ripsnort on August 11, 2004, 04:36:02 PM
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Originally posted by Dux
Drop that paintbrush, Lee.


hehe, yeah, we tend to forget there are people with a head on their shoulders like Dux. :)  Thank God you're not all alike politically speaking. :D
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: Sandman on August 11, 2004, 05:02:16 PM
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Al-Qaeda is more afraid of Bush than anyone else running for president.
 


Damn straight. Invading Iraq certainly cramped their style. :aok
Title: New info on current Al Quaeda plot
Post by: cpxxx on August 11, 2004, 05:20:50 PM
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"The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the U.S. economy and to undermine the U.S. election," the official said. "The view of al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush.' "


First off the original security alert has already been show to be based on old pre 911 intelligence.

Secondly the quote is someone's opinion, someone American, someone who wants Bush to continue as President. The not so subtle message is that a vote for Kerry is what OBL wants. We will see a lot more of this in the coming months. It's electioneering.

In reality an attack in America between now and November will ensure Bush's re-election. In my opinion Al Qaeda might prefer Bush to stay president because he is such a hate figure among the loony extremists that it's easy keep them onside. Kerry is an unknown quantity for them.  

At the same time I think they don't really care who is president. whether it be Micky Mouse or Martha Stewart. Their enemy is America. End of story.