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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Preon1 on August 13, 2004, 07:20:20 AM
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Metallica gets group therapy (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396949/)
Most bands, when they start to suck, just break up or fade away. Not Metallica. These guys stare mediocrity in the face... and go straight to therapy. What the f***?! They seriously should have died in a plane crash in the mid 90's when people still thought they were good. I wouldn't wish this slow miserable decline on any celebrity figure.
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but they are so talented
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Originally posted by Preon1
Metallica gets group therapy (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5396949/)
Most bands, when they start to suck, just break up or fade away. Not Metallica. These guys stare mediocrity in the face... and go straight to therapy. What the f***?! They seriously should have died in a plane crash in the mid 90's when people still thought they were good. I wouldn't wish this slow miserable decline on any celebrity figure.
Sounds like you are the one who should received the therapy, wishing that they had died in a plane crash...
But I guess you have personal experience with having many platinum albums?
IKON
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nothing wrong with metallica.... their latest album took some getting used to tho.
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They have sucked since Justice....nuff said.
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what???? you mean to say that guys with arms the size if hot dogs and hair that is done by farrah faccet's hairdresser wearing halter tops and eye shadow and lipstick are...... pansies?
lazs
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Originally posted by narsus
They have sucked since Justice....nuff said.
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Originally posted by narsus
They have sucked since Justice....nuff said.
ditto, I don't event want to hear that last one... it might make me cry.
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I havnt liked Metallica for a while. There music used to rock now it just sounds tired. They need to just retire. I've heard some of their newer stuff and it just sounds like crappy rewrites of their old stuff.
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Originally posted by lazs2
what???? you mean to say that guys with arms the size if hot dogs and hair that is done by farrah faccet's hairdresser wearing halter tops and eye shadow and lipstick are...... pansies?
lazs
lol...winner.:aok
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Metallica changed music forever with Master of Puppets. They pry did it before with Kill Em All, and Ride the Lightning, but for sake of argument, in 1986, Laz's hotdog arm hairspray bands were still growing out their hair.
The "winner" is actually being in your late 30's and being a multi-millionaire, rich enough not to care, and to do what ever you want, because you have been headbanging for a decade, again, because you can.
Laz would have both legs, no biker chick warts, and a Benz if he was born rich and 38. Ain't the whole road a ride.
This music lesson is over. Discuss.
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What does it say about a person who interjects in a thread with a negative coment for the purposes of unvieling his ignorance of the subject matter?
Metallica began to go down hill in my opinion because the man in the band with the innovation and motive died. If you notice in JFA, the first album without Burton, there is a persistant and loud double kick-drum beating from Lars. This was, in my opinion, an attempt to compensate for the loss of the bong rattling bass riffs that Cliff had previously provided. Cliff's departure was also noticable in the lyrical department. They regained some focus and made the black album. It was better than JFA, but they had stopped evolving, and they didn't seem to know how to get back in the race. Every subsequent album has been more or less a revisitation to garage days.
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wow....you guys take your Metallica pretty seriously.
"Don't mess with Metallica dude...they..like...ROCK man."
lol
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Hey..Rock N' Rollr's rarely makes it to middle age..
The ones that do(eg Rush..Mettalica..Rolling Stones....etc) are the reasons you have a CD collection.
And yes..Most of these dudes sought therapy at some point.
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Try to find a copy of the Download Festival bootleg. It was actually entertaining considering Lars was in hospital and guest drummers stepped in on a moments notice to fill in. Dave Lombardo was awesome, made Metallica actually play like they did back in the day.
I was laughing outloud listening to Joey of Slipkniot try to play all the Metallica fills, comedy gold. When in doubt doublebass to keep the beat.
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Originally posted by SunKing
Try to find a copy of the Download Festival bootleg. It was actually entertaining considering Lars was in hospital and guest drummers stepped in on a moments notice to fill in. Dave Lombardo was awesome, made Metallica actually play like they did back in the day.
I was laughing outloud listening to Joey of Slipkniot try to play all the Metallica fills, comedy gold. When in doubt doublebass to keep the beat.
Slipknot are starting to get realy popular here.....never heard it myslef i think
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lol thosugth you meant JFA....Jody Fosters Army!!!
btw KILL THEM ALL
MAster of Puppets
Ride The Lightning
damgood..
Creeping DEATH
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They seriously should have died in a plane crash in the mid 90's when people still thought they were good. I wouldn't wish this slow miserable decline on any celebrity figure.
Metallica did die....they died the day after there Justice tour ended. Aliens invaded and took over Lars. He corrupted the band and turned them into limp wristed sissys!
RHIN0
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Only NeoCons and fascists talk crap about Metallica.
-SW
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you are all wrong...
bob rock (producer of bon jovi for cod's sake) killed them all while making the black EP, and replaced them with robots like in bill and ted's bogus journey.
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bob rock (producer of bon jovi for cod's sake) killed them all while making the black EP, and replaced them with robots like in bill and ted's bogus journey.
LOL.....very well.....then where did he put the REAL Metallica? Did he put them on ice and save them for a rainy day? Or was the real Lars the Gimp in Pulp Fiction?
RHIN0
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he ate them with some fava beans and a nice chianti
he is evil incarnate
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They suck, they always have sucked, and always will suck, because they suck
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Rush sucks, they always have sucked, and always will suck, because they suck
I know.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I know.
-SW
Aw, wolfie has a fascination with me!
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I'm in your bushes.
-SW
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Originally posted by IK0N
Sounds like you are the one who should received the therapy, wishing that they had died in a plane crash...
But I guess you have personal experience with having many platinum albums?
IKON
Wow... totally forgot that there was no room for hyperbole on the internet. Everyone takes the 'written' word too seriously for sarcasm.
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it's just irritating noise played by a bunch of angry pansies.
lazs
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Originally posted by JB73
bob rock (producer of bon jovi for cod's sake) killed them all while making the black EP, and replaced them with robots like in bill and ted's bogus journey.
I know the guy who had to refashion Lars' studio drumming into acceptable, workable tracks on the last few albums. Talk about an editing nightmare. The guy is a sloppy, brutal drummer... Can't comment on the music itself because it aint my thing, but I agree with Creamo - they did have a huge effect.
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Originally posted by lazs2
it's just irritating noise played by a bunch of angry pansies.
lazs
im just curious what you like lazs? i personally have some of everything from classical to death metal.
what do you prefer to listen to?
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Forget Metallica, they're long gone.
Fortunately we still have Slayer.
And Pantera.
And a lot of other stuff.
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Joe Cartoon owned them.
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They were one of the best bands of the early 80's. Unfortunately they didn't retire after their third album.
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they are just humans, look in the mirror and ask yourself what have u done
in the last 20 years, and at what point have you should
retired *lol*
R
Gh0stFT
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Metallica has changed over the years but one thing is for certain they are still getting paid and paid big unlike some who question them.
It's very unfortunate Cliff had to die because he did bring alot to the band. There was no replacement for Cliff at all even with Newsted. Frankly his playing didn't have the life to it that Cliffs did.
Some folks had a fit when Mustaine left the band too. Frankly Mustaine seemed like the typical long hair, tight spandex pants, girly band member typical of the times. Opposed to just playing he had to play it up with his flashy showoff moves. Yes he was a good player but frankly he had a long way to go. Stevie Ray Vaughan on the other hand had what it took to back up his flashy moves while on stage. Metallica at the time wasn't about the "show" it was about the music.
Biggest thing that annoys me with the newest Metallica album is Lars and his wild and unrelenting smashing of the cymbals. It's rather annoying and even when turning it down it's still so distinctive and unavoidable that you have to just turn it off.
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I think Metallica will be viewed up there with Led Zeppelin as the second most influencial "rock" band.
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Well, ACDC too, but I'd place Metallica above them as far as influence.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I think Metallica will be viewed up there with Led Zeppelin as the second most influencial "rock" band.
You kind of have that right....
Zeppelin and Metallica: Somewhat influential and awful.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Joe Cartoon owned them.
LOL NS :)
culero
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Actually I take that back... I can name 10 Metallica influenced bands. Cannot do the same for Zeppelin. They were horrible, and nobody took them seriously until they got re-discovered 10 years later somehow... and they remained horrible.
Metallica and Zep up there in the top 3 bands ever? Geeze....
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How many Beatle infuenced bands do you think?
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Metallica is influential?
What do the following acts have in common?
Red Hot Chili Peppers, Elvis Presley, Keith Richards, Elvis Costello, the Greatful Dead, Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mark Knofler, Little Richard, Dean Martin, the Everly Brothers, Cowboy Junkies, Ray Charles, Norah Jones, Bob Dylan, the Carpenters, Sheryl Crow, and Coldplay. (there are scores more on the list)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Metallica is influential?
What do the following acts have in common?
They're mostly good (I got you pegged music-wise).
Just 'cause Metallica was influential doesn't mean they were good. Just influential. Zep sucked always, and were/are not influential.
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lOL Holden, if you are gonna say Hank, Im gonna laugh my bellybutton off
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http://www.coversproject.com/artist/Hank+Williams
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Nash, how can you say Zep sucked? True, they had some really chyit songs, but they also had some amazing songs.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, how can you say Zep sucked? True, they had some really chyit songs, but they also had some amazing songs.
Amazing songs? Fluke, if anything. You have to take it all into context. There's 1,000 "amazing" songs written per day. What's their best? You can beat their best down with a wet noodle on several levels.
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Originally posted by Nash
Amazing songs? Fluke, if anything. You have to take it all into context. There's 1,000 "amazing" songs written per day. What's their best? You can beat their best down with a wet noodle on several levels.
You can't compair all the songs ever written against one band. Compair Zep to any other one band and tell me how many measure up.
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Why not start with Holden's list? Most of them blow Zeppelin outta the water.
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Nash, have you ever listened to about 5 Hank tunes, performed by Hank, in a row? By the end, you would probably want to kill yourself. That guy wrote some of the worst crap I have heard.
His music sucks, his voice is irritating and the lyrics are horrible.
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Why not try a real band
http://www.coversproject.com/artist/Beatles
Hope you have patience on the scroll-bar
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Nah.... I call foul...
That guy was good.
It's phooked nowadays.... The quality of someone's voice has to fit 'tween such a narrow window (thanks lots to software)....
The country you hear on the radio is not country. It just plays one on the radio.
But I have prollems with him too... So I aint gonna step into a Hank vs. debate.
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Holden, using your source, I could not list the bands that have covered Beatle songs in one post. In fact, it would require 7 posts just to list them.
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Get over the Beatles.
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Originally posted by Nash
Get over the Beatles.
why?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Why not try a real band
http://www.coversproject.com/artist/Beatles
Hope you have patience on the scroll-bar
ok lets compromise.
http://www.beatallica.com/
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Why?
I know some guys who still wear their goofy Michael Jackson Thriller coats. I know some guys who wear feathered hair and have a comb sticking out of their back pocket.
I give 'em 10-15 years to live, tops.
Tomorrow is a lot different than yesterday. And it's a helluvalot different than 40 years ago. Staying stuck on any one thing is tantamount to surrender.
It is throwing your flag up and saying "I give, and I don't have the energy required to engage in today".
Because if you're saying that nothing competes with a 40 year-old band, you are clearly not engaged.
Do you know what the death-rate is for people within 1-3 years after retirement? It's absurd....
Thars *****loads of good bands... Get out there, or die.
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Well, if we are compairing bands overall, no time restraint, the the Beatles pretty much are not matched.
I am not "stuck" on the Beatles...I am a fan of music and like many styles of music.
The BeaTles are probably the best band that has ever been if you compair them to any other single artist/band.
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Yer stuck.
Name your favorite album release of 2004.
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I couldn't tell you a specific release. I'm too old to care that much.
I like Kieth Urban ( awesome writer and performs, plays and sings amazingly) Ever hear of him?
I like some "LIVE" songs
I like: Hole, Nirvana (Unplugged), Sound Garden, Led Zepelin, The Cars, CCR,
I like music on many levels. I like 40's American band music even.
I'm a music fan
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You realize that besides Kieth Urban, most of the bands you listed haven't put out a record in about a decade? That's 10 years plus, give or take....
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Live put out a single not too long ago.
Like I said, Im too old to be trying to keep current .
I like what I like, and you will too.....even as you get old. :)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Live put out a single not too long ago.
Like I said, Im too old to be thying to keep current .
I like what I like, and you will too.....even as you get old. :)
Live's last was 2003 or 2002... I liked it actually even though tho you couldn't but hear the sun setting...
"Like I said, Im too old to be thying to keep current ."
This will kill you.
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Or maybe most the newer "music" just isn't any good. We are in the midst of another "bad" period for music, not unlike the late '80's or the Disco era before that. It will pass with time.
I'm not going to pretend to like this schlock just so I can look "trendy" or "cool", any more than I pretended to like trendy-in-its-day crap like MC Hammer or Milli Vanilli.
But then worrying about how "cool" or "modern" I am isn't exactly my priority in life. I wear button-down shirts, never wear shorts (I despise the sloppy look most people wear these days), I drive a big brown sedan, and I still actually pay with cash unless I have no other choice (like internet purchases).
10 years from now I'll still be able to say that I like the Beatles or Boston or Hendrix or Alabama or ACDC or any such band without being embarrassed. How many NSYNC or Britney Spears fans do you think there'll be a decade from now?
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Or maybe most the newer "music" just isn't any good. We are in the midst of another "bad" period for music, not unlike the late '80's or the Disco era before that. It will pass with time.J_A_B
You're wrong.
It won't pass, and you'll get smacked over the head with crap music from here to eternity. Don't think radio will wise up. And don't think your usual avenue for good music will in fact produce any.
You are a classic rock radio guy. Your measure of "good" is pure nostalgia. How could anything possibly measure up to that?
10 years from now I'll still be able to say that I like the Beatles or Boston or Hendrix or Alabama or ACDC or any such band without being embarrassed
Nice. But nobody's praising Brittney Agulara here. Thars way better than that. Maybe you get cred out in front of some old-timers bonfire weiner cook-out by saying "DC ROCKS WOOT!", but some are shaking their heads....
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Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, have you ever listened to about 5 Hank tunes, performed by Hank, in a row? By the end, you would probably want to kill yourself. That guy wrote some of the worst crap I have heard.
His music sucks, his voice is irritating and the lyrics are horrible.
from Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
The words and music of Hank Williams echo across the decades with a timelessness that transcends genre. He brought country music into the modern era, and his influence spilled over into the folk and rock arenas as well. Artists ranging from Gram Parsons and John Fogerty (who recorded an entire album of Williams' songs after leaving Creedence Clearwater Revival) to the Georgia Satellites and Uncle Tupelo have adapted elements of Williams' persona, especially the aura of emotional forthrightness and bruised idealism communicated in his songs. Some of Williams' more upbeat country and blues-flavored numbers, on the other hand, anticipated the playful abandon of rockabilly.
You guys is just plain ignernt.
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blah blah Gram Parsons blah blah Uncle Tupelo (aka Wilco)....
Here's a very very good starting point....
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Originally posted by J_A_B
10 years from now I'll still be able to say that I like the Beatles or Boston or Hendrix or Alabama or ACDC or any such band without being embarrassed. How many NSYNC or Britney Spears fans do you think there'll be a decade from now?
J_A_B
Agreed. 10 years from now, there will still be Metallica fans because of what they did early in their career. I just lament that they kept going.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One man's noise is another's nirvana.
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Even though I feel Zep was overated, to compare Metallica to them is absurd. Metallica wins most overated band award hands down
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Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, have you ever listened to about 5 Hank tunes, performed by Hank, in a row? By the end, you would probably want to kill yourself. That guy wrote some of the worst crap I have heard.
His music sucks, his voice is irritating and the lyrics are horrible.
Man, dood, it must suck to have no taste whatsoever :)
culero (just sayin' ;))
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"You're wrong. It won't pass"
Just like Disco and Hair Bands were here to stay too, right? Fads always pass.
For being a "classic rock" guy isn't it funny that my radio is mostly on country stations (although most of them don't really play country anymore)? Nah, it just so happens that most of the random bands I listed before happen to fall into the "classic rock" category. I'll listen to a lot of different stuff.
I didn't say ALL modern music is horrible. Some of it is decent. 3 Doors Down is okay and Toby Keith is reliable, to name a couple. I said MOST of the new stuff is horrible--which it is. I won't pretend to like the crap just because its "trendy".
I believe that if you life your life as your own, instead of trying to conform to all the lastest "trends", when you look back on your life 40 years hence you will never have a reason to say "what was I thinking?".
Name a few "modern" groups/singers that YOU like Nash.
J_A_B
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I always thought Metalica sucked. Because they do. It seems that when a person doesn't play an intrument of any kind..they like Metalica.
If you do, you know they suck. Amazing what crap marketing will put over on the masses.
Marketing over talent works the majority of time tho..
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I always thought Metalica sucked. Because they do. It seems that when a person doesn't play an intrument of any kind..they like Metalica.
If you do, you know they suck. Amazing what crap marketing will put over on the masses.
I dislike Metallica "Today" Not because they suck, but because of the way they teated their fans, myself included. I disliked the change in there music after the Justice album. But to say that they have no talent is absurd. Talent comes in many forms, and to become as popular as they are takes talent. Marketing plays roles in it but this is more than marketing. I agree that everything past black could be racked up to marketing tho.
If you just go back and listen to Puppets the way the music is put together is awesome. There was a fire in Metallica in those days that doesnt exist today. Kirk ripped it up on that album, James riffs were amazing, fat crunchy agressive and fast. It was also very technical. Not to the point of some of the great guitarists in the world. But still lots of talent involved.
I have been playing guitar for 20 years now. I learned every riff cover to cover from every metallica relase up until black. And to say there is no talent is just wrong. I would stand the melodies and complexity of Kirks solos to any other guitarist of that era. Not as smooth as Clapton, Not as much feel as SRV, Not as technical as Satriani but somewhere in between. And very pleasing to the ear (if you like Metal).
Nopoop on this one you are just way off base.
RHIN0