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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: dragoon on August 13, 2004, 04:58:39 PM
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The new patch is kewl with 1 exception and you know what that is! I pay my 15 a month to fly whatever i want to fly and now im dictated to as to what i can and cannot fly and thats crap. dont get me wrong i love to fly other bird but when it comes to a non perked speed ride i WANT MY LAFFER. My squad is talking strike and theres talk of cancelling their accounts.
sad truth is....when the rooks have numbers we still get our butts kicked alot. Its not only my opinion that the new patch is crap and we want it changed back.
if you have to do something about the cry babies and whiners crying about the numbers...then figure out something else. dont hold us responsible cause we have a few more numbers then other countries.
i also want to point out lately we havent had the numbers yall cryin about.
PLEASE change it back or figure out something else. :mad:
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Originally posted by dragoon
The new patch is kewl with 1 exception and you know what that is! I pay my 15 a month to fly whatever i want to fly and now im dictated to as to what i can and cannot fly and thats crap. dont get me wrong i love to fly other bird but when it comes to a non perked speed ride i WANT MY LAFFER. My squad is talking strike and theres talk of cancelling their accounts.
sad truth is....when the rooks have numbers we still get our butts kicked alot. Its not only my opinion that the new patch is crap and we want it changed back.
if you have to do something about the cry babies and whiners crying about the numbers...then figure out something else. dont hold us responsible cause we have a few more numbers then other countries.
i also want to point out lately we havent had the numbers yall cryin about.
PLEASE change it back or figure out something else. :mad:
That didn't take long, 53 minutes from Pyro's post.
-Sik
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I'm hoping this is a troll, but i'll bite anyways.
Your $15 gives you the privlege to log into the game, and to play it in the manner that HTC sees fit. You have no right to play the game your way. You have no right to fly _insert_favorite_plane_here_.
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They DID try other things. None of them worked because of people like you who didn't care about perks.
If you want the La-7 you can go to the Bishops or Knights.
If you want to stay Rook, you can try the Typhoon on La-5FN. They're both good aircraft.
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eskimo
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Wonder what will happen if a 1000 people say screw this and leave.
mmmmm $180,000.00 hole in the old cash flow for the next 12 months.....should get someone's attention.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Wonder what will happen if a 1000 people say screw this and leave.
mmmmm $180,000.00 hole in the old cash flow for the next 12 months.....should get someone's attention.
1000 more sign up in that time and accept things the way they are when they get in. Cash flow baclk to norm.
Frik its been 1 dang hour...you guys need to relax just a lilllll bit. :lol
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Ditto Innominate.
I logged on quick before I leave for work to see what's up... Channel 200 is exploding with 99% complaints. New system hasn't been out more than 1.5 hours and players freaking out. Was it merely the discussion that started all out pandemonium?
Just before I logged, I noted HT commenting on the god channel: "funy thing is, all planes are availible"
HTC is not forcing you to play a certain way. He stated before, a choice is being offered. If you refuse to switch countries, YOU are forcing YOURSELF to remain limited.
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_Schadenfreude_,
The fact that HTC has taken this step gives be the distinct impression that doing nothing was costing them accounts. It is just going to be a matter of what costs more.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Wonder what will happen if a 1000 people say screw this and leave.
mmmmm $180,000.00 hole in the old cash flow for the next 12 months.....should get someone's attention.
I wonder if 2,000 people have already left AH because they were bored by perpetual gang-banging?
No move is going to make everyone happy.
eskimo
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You mean another 1000.
The problem is that its hard to account for how many people have quit because of the gang bang. but its way higher then 0
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I really don't understand why this is such a big deal for people. In most games you don't start out with unlimited access to the best, coolest, most powerful weapons. You have to either work your way up to them, or you only get limited access to them. It's part of the game and makes it more enjoyable. It makes getting to the cool weapons a treat and something to work for in the game.
Imagine a game like Doom where you got the BFG9000 as your starting weapon. What would be the point? Or something like Combat Mission with all the units priced at 1 point ... you'd get bored of King Tiger vs. Pershing pretty quickly.
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I'm surprised they're not charging extra for the entertainment value all the whining will bring.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Wonder what will happen if a 1000 people say screw this and leave.
mmmmm $180,000.00 hole in the old cash flow for the next 12 months.....should get someone's attention.
Can't (and won't) speak for anyone else, but I'll probabaly resubscribe, pending news on how this is working of course.
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Thing is people want to fly with their online friends and they feel that since they pay for the pleasure of flying online they should be able to fly whatever they want from the planeset.
Being forced to do otherwise is going to get up people's nose.
If you have limited time available for AH and then you find yourself forced to either change sides or lose your favourite plane - I couldn't get a frikken A8 or a seafire mk2 at one stage - you might as well say screw it and go and look at Targetware or IL2.
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Puck is dee debil and Zanth wears the mark of da beast.
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Novocaine from dental surgery Arlo?
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HAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHHHHAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Thing is people want to fly with their online friends and they feel that since they pay for the pleasure of flying online they should be able to fly whatever they want from the planeset.
Being forced to do otherwise is going to get up people's nose.
If you have limited time available for AH and then you find yourself forced to either change sides or lose your favourite plane - I couldn't get a frikken A8 or a seafire mk2 at one stage - you might as well say screw it and go and look at Targetware or IL2.
Your sacrifice by quitting will be appreciated by fellow pilots who can now fly a Seafire.
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dragoon's signature:
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If ya dont like it...get over it!
If ya cant get over it, ESAD!
If ya refuse to ESAD, go kiss yer mom for me cause she was always my favorite.
in other words......
Dont gimme no schitt, no bullschitt
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DRAGOON--->Guess your signature is not any indication of your ability to adapt and over come adversity. And here I complimented the Rooks recently for their evidence of cohesiveness as a country by virtue of the bu++ kicking Knights and Bishops have received for many months. Am I under the delusion that my fancyfull faith in the Rook superiority is ill founded?????? :eek:
WELLLL whom do I complain to? I'm insulted. I placed my reputaion as a DWEEB on the line thinking the Rooks had figured out how to overcome the adversity of AH's disorganised game play. Are you now admitting the ride is more important than the MAN?????:rofl
I am so ashamed,,,guess I'll just go let Shane SLAP me SLOBBERDONKEY................ ...:cool:
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In the space of an hour the rooks went from a 30 player adv to-
Bish 89
Knits 87
Rooks 91
Looks like it's working.:D
Dragoon if rook have been having low numbers lately then you have nothing to worry about.
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lol at buster - I had missed the irony of the signature.
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Fact remains a lot of squads moved to rook when they were the underdog for so long.
Cool, and as it should be.
Now that they have the numbers some of those squads should be rotating back to knight & bish.
Since they don't seem to want to on their own HT has to implement a program to encourage them.
Aces High has been a continually changing online enviorment since it started way back when.
I for one am glad to see yet another change. Quit whining, & deal with it for a tour. Let em get the bugs out.
THEN see where your at.
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_Schadenfreude_,
I'd not be surprised if the sides are pretty balanced pretty quick and this becomes a rare effect.
A lot of non-diehard Rooks switched to them and can switch elsewhere without the angst that seems to grip some squads.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Thing is people want to fly with their online friends and they feel that since they pay for the pleasure of flying online they should be able to fly whatever they want from the planeset.
Being forced to do otherwise is going to get up people's nose.
If you have limited time available for AH and then you find yourself forced to either change sides or lose your favourite plane - I couldn't get a frikken A8 or a seafire mk2 at one stage - you might as well say screw it and go and look at Targetware or IL2.
I've always felt I should be able to fly the f4u-4, unperked of course. So what? Cancelling an account means you never get to fly your favorite ride ever. That's kind of like decapitation as a headache cure.
--Peregrine.
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I don't get all the angst, wasn't Zazen just telling us the other
day how leet the Rooks were. You know..how much better their
k/d and how the other countries just couldn't measure up?
Surely flying different aircraft couldn't effect the uberness of
rookdom..that would be very strange indeed:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rino
I don't get all the angst, wasn't Zazen just telling us the other
day how leet the Rooks were. You know..how much better their
k/d and how the other countries just couldn't measure up?
Surely flying different aircraft couldn't effect the uberness of
rookdom..that would be very strange indeed:rolleyes:
PH.....:lol :rofl
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Originally posted by Rino
I don't get all the angst, wasn't Zazen just telling us the other
day how leet the Rooks were. You know..how much better their
k/d and how the other countries just couldn't measure up?
Surely flying different aircraft couldn't effect the uberness of
rookdom..that would be very strange indeed:rolleyes:
:lol Seems like thats what I read as well......
Funny how some never quite know what that smell is til they finally ask...and that reply comes....
"Huh that was BS":lol
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change the game piss off 45% of the population. they pay their 15 per month to fly the game they know and love. and IF you think for 1 second we dont have the right to ***** about it your wrong or you are prolly a bish or nit.
reminds me of when they finally updated diablo 2. they got rid of the hacked items and crap but ruined the game completly.
all you BBS flamers are missing the point here. its not only gonna effect the rooks but all countries as well. i cant wait to hear your whines when you cant be a dweeb and it will happen. sad part about it is that the rooks (hate to say this) were the easiest prey. when i was a nit for like a year. and yes we were outnumbered almost every night but it made for sorties with 5 to 10 kills each. it was only when the bish and rook gangbaned us constantly that it got old. but the numbers things wasnt a factor.
how many people are actually sitting AFK on a country with numbers and that country suffers the penilty? hard to say. How many players on that country are busy recruiting or training newbs and are not actually in combat with the other countries? how often do i goto a tower and see 2 or 3 peeps AFK for hours?? very often. then ya goto a different tower and the same thing...many players afk or busy just bull****tin and not flyin. from what i understand this effects the penilty.
although i havent had the pleasure of not being able to fly what i want yet.......its gonna happen sooner or later and its gonna happen to you all as well.....think about it.
i have 32 squad members 13 of which are talking about cancelling or striking. i am obligated to voice their opinions as well. im sure they gonna post shortly cause i know for a fuqu that the rooks are pissed off. i even tried to get my squad to move but half em refuse...and this was b4 the patch. so there ya go........if my squad falls apart cause of the patch......whatever.
point is it needs to be changed back or a different solution needs to be fingered out. i will voice my opinion when i feel i should and if ya dont like it get over it. look at the big picture not of the now but of the near.
oh yea, dont gimme no schitt no bullschitt: and bustr if ya dont like it sir refer to my signature for your solution. far as im concerned your just another BBS flamer like the rest in which i hold little regard for. :aok refer to the part that says ESAD please......oops looks like your able to tolerate schitt due to the fact that its what flows from your lips. get over it flamer
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lol, you are just wearing your selfout. but ya what, maybe it is time for you to get out of what shane calls the Girl planes. I'll be happy to see less rook 51's and bish la7's. maybe your squad should change sides. don't be part of the prolbme be a cure of it.
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Originally posted by dragoon
. get over it flamer
HARRRRRR! You get over it!!
Or ESAD or STFU
Or take yer 15 bucks and put it where yer mouth is.
Or
Learn to fly.
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What's worse, flying with people you don't like or flying a plane you don't like?
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Originally posted by dragoon
all you BBS flamers are missing the point here. its not only gonna effect the rooks but all countries as well.
Why do you assume that?
I fully expect that it will affect me at some point. In that case I will either switch countries so that I can fly the Ki-84, or I'll fly the Mossie. Depends on how I feel.
I spent the first three years I subscribed as a Rook. I well remember the constant gangbang. It was really tiresome. I switched to Knights because I joined a squad that wanted to fly Knights.
HiTech tried to use a carrot to fix the problem in AH1, but it did not work. I'm sure HTC has lost significant numbers of accounts due to the lopsided numbers. Don't make it out as though everybody was fine with the way it was and now nearly half the subscribers are upset.
There are probably approximately the same percentage of people AFK or recruiting/training in all three countries at a given time.
I'm sorry that your squad feels that way, but they'll just have to make their choice.
And there is a choice.
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Originally posted by dragoon
change the game piss off 45% of the population. they pay their 15 per month to fly the game they know and love. and IF you think for 1 second we dont have the right to ***** about it your wrong or you are prolly a bish or nit.
reminds me of when they finally updated diablo 2. they got rid of the hacked items and crap but ruined the game completly.
all you BBS flamers are missing the point here. its not only gonna effect the rooks but all countries as well. i cant wait to hear your whines when you cant be a dweeb and it will happen. sad part about it is that the rooks (hate to say this) were the easiest prey. when i was a nit for like a year. and yes we were outnumbered almost every night but it made for sorties with 5 to 10 kills each. it was only when the bish and rook gangbaned us constantly that it got old. but the numbers things wasnt a factor.
how many people are actually sitting AFK on a country with numbers and that country suffers the penilty? hard to say. How many players on that country are busy recruiting or training newbs and are not actually in combat with the other countries? how often do i goto a tower and see 2 or 3 peeps AFK for hours?? very often. then ya goto a different tower and the same thing...many players afk or busy just bull****tin and not flyin. from what i understand this effects the penilty.
although i havent had the pleasure of not being able to fly what i want yet.......its gonna happen sooner or later and its gonna happen to you all as well.....think about it.
i have 32 squad members 13 of which are talking about cancelling or striking. i am obligated to voice their opinions as well. im sure they gonna post shortly cause i know for a fuqu that the rooks are pissed off. i even tried to get my squad to move but half em refuse...and this was b4 the patch. so there ya go........if my squad falls apart cause of the patch......whatever.
point is it needs to be changed back or a different solution needs to be fingered out. i will voice my opinion when i feel i should and if ya dont like it get over it. look at the big picture not of the now but of the near.
oh yea, dont gimme no schitt no bullschitt: and bustr if ya dont like it sir refer to my signature for your solution. far as im concerned your just another BBS flamer like the rest in which i hold little regard for. :aok refer to the part that says ESAD please......oops looks like your able to tolerate schitt due to the fact that its what flows from your lips. get over it flamer
:lol
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Signpost ahead:
<-----------
Warbirds
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Fighter Ace
Good luck mystery squad!
-Sik
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"how many people are actually sitting AFK on a country with numbers and that country suffers the penilty? hard to say. How many players on that country are busy recruiting or training newbs and are not actually in combat with the other countries? how often do i goto a tower and see 2 or 3 peeps AFK for hours?? very often. then ya goto a different tower and the same thing...many players afk or busy just bull****tin and not flyin. from what i understand this effects the penilty.
although i havent had the pleasure of not being able to fly what i want yet"
You haven't even flown/logged in but you can make up all these senarios about stuff you have no idea is happening?.. what a joke.
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Signpost ahead:<----------- Warbirds Fighter Ace ------------> (http://www.rod-serling.com/wav/tzone/seas2/season2b.wav)
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"i have 32 squad members 13 of which are talking about cancelling or striking."
That will certainly help to free up plane availability.
I can just imagine someone parading around in front of their PC with a picket sign. Please post pic's.
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(http://www.warszawa.hailcesarz.com/images/boohoo.JPG)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Thing is people want to fly with their online friends and they feel that since they pay for the pleasure of flying online they should be able to fly whatever they want from the planeset.
Being forced to do otherwise is going to get up people's nose.
If you have limited time available for AH and then you find yourself forced to either change sides or lose your favourite plane - I couldn't get a frikken A8 or a seafire mk2 at one stage - you might as well say screw it and go and look at Targetware or IL2.
It works both ways, If you have limited time to fly and all week you have 3 Porked bases left no Dar and 40 to 50 20k enemys, Its not much fun eather.
Like the Pizza Box Says " You have tried the rest you will be back for the Best "
Cya when ya Get back >S<
Crims
479th Raiders
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I must concur with Mr. Furious...
HAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
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Originally posted by dragoon
(http://users.burgoyne.com/~jtod/crying%20baby.jpg)
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Well put crims
p.s. Nice to see someone else from long island playing!
Originally posted by crims
It works both ways, If you have limited time to fly and all week you have 3 Porked bases left no Dar and 40 to 50 20k enemys, Its not much fun eather.
Like the Pizza Box Says " You have tried the rest you will be back for the Best "
Cya when ya Get back >S<
Crims
479th Raiders
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Never mind. I misread the thread subject. I thought this was about milking dirty cows.
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6 hours into the patch and lala drivers are going on strike, Hitech is accused of killing a pony squad... I always suspected most ponylalas were flown by nervous types but this is crazy.
I imagine next the spit 9s will be chaining themselves to the hangars and the n1ks will organise a protest march through all 3 countries, with whistles and babies holding placards.
We all have our favourites but jeez guys, get a grip. You've 60 other planes to choose from.
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I don't respect people that don't use punctuation and make more spelling or typing errors than me after a very, VERY long day. Bah. Damn spoiled big children. 'I pay taxes!' 'I DEMAND being allowed to carry automatic weapons and shooting illegal people at our fine country's border!' 'WAAAAAHHH!'
I won't change sides, not because of some misplaced loyality for a chess piece but because I can't bother. When I started Bish were always a majority, not so for the last few weeks. I couldn't care less. Besides, I would even be in favour of a rolling plane set, just to frustrate the morons who can't do without their La-7, P-51, Spit IX, N1K2, whatever.
Constructive criticism? No. But again I'm so fed up by people's attitude on the forum that I'd like to up a Spit I with my raving headache and shoot a few whiners down. 'Ooooh, cheater!' 'I swear that was a Spit XIV with a normal icon!'
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I go and post my griefs and get nothing but flak by people who are BBS pilots. so here is what i think of all yall who are simply *******s in the world i live in :) recieving flak from such members who are known for cheating and you know who ya are;)
Chew on this postards
Leute wie Sie bilden das Spiel sehr hart zu schlucken. Nicht haben Sie Launen nichts besser als Ratenwhines und Flammesomeonesleid zu tun? Erhalten Sie einem ****inleben Sie psycho sluts von der Hölle. Und wenn ya es nicht mögen, erhalten Sie dem Bumsen rüber es bereits. Mehr Leutepfosten und -spiel dann gerade Sie. So gibt was Ihnen das Recht, Gesamtjerkoffs zu sein? Stille im, die versucht, sie aus mich darzustellen. Sowieso bin ich Kranker des Hörens Ihrer Scheiße beim Versuchen, eine formale Beanstandung bekanntzugeben. Alle Sie haben Ihre Wahrscheinlichkeit an whining gehabt und Sie erhielten wirklich Ihre Weise... WTG!!!
Il y a des 3 un peu de personnes en ce monde. 1. droit decient et pas affraid pour se tenir prêt leurs actions. 2. les gens qui prospèrent de créer le chaos pour les personnes decient. 3. les gens qui pourraient s'inquiéter moins de leur homme de camarade. Vous chute d'incendiaires dans les 2 et 3 catagories. Un peloton fireing vous ferait toute la justice.
¿Usted todo no tiene cualquier cosa mejor hacer que los *******s completos? Los monos tienen más cooth y el tacto entonces usted hacer y ellos incluso lanza su mierda en sí mismos. Usted todo me recuerda cerdos. También, KJ714 usted es de una escuadrilla de actuadores sabidos. ¿tan qué le da la derecha de funcionar su lechón del martillo? cuando el mundo termina y estamos todos en infierno que biselo espera para ser el primer para saludarle:) Vete a la mierda para no ofrecer una opinión y llameante usted buch de la mierda que golpea de la cuadrilla que arroja a putas.:rofl
dont like it get over it.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
nice ya cant even spell a picture right *******. try again
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the strike mentioned was not a picket toting computer jockey. they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you potato peelin number whining crybabies and if theres a problem catch me online :)
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Originally posted by dragoon
the strike mentioned was not a picket toting computer jockey. they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you potato peelin number whining crybabies and if theres a problem catch me online :)
Throwing a cog in the system? and we're the crybabies?
-Sik
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Dunno about anyone else but I'm laughing now, if that counts.
As for catching you online, that shoudn't be a problem in your 1940 8 horsepower clunker.
While we're all here, could you sharpen this babel fish translation up a bit? I get kind of lost at 'pigs of the hammer'
You everything do not have any complete better thing to do than ******* s? The monkeys have more cooth and the then tact you to do and they even sends its excrement in themselves. You all remember pigs to me. Also, KJ714 you are of a squadron of known actuators. so what gives the right him to work their pig of the hammer? when the world finishes and we are all in hell that I bevel delay to be the first one to salute to him Veto to the excrement not to offer a flaming opinion and you buch of the excrement that strikes of the group who throws to putas
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Originally posted by Chortle
You everything do not have any complete better thing to do than ******* s? The monkeys have more cooth and the then tact you to do and they even sends its excrement in themselves. You all remember pigs to me. Also, KJ714 you are of a squadron of known actuators. so what gives the right him to work their pig of the hammer? when the world finishes and we are all in hell that I bevel delay to be the first one to salute to him Veto to the excrement not to offer a flaming opinion and you buch of the excrement that strikes of the group who throws to putas
I stand corrected. It appears my first impression of this thread (see page 1) was indeed correct :)
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Originally posted by Chortle
Dunno about anyone else but I'm laughing now, if that counts.
As for catching you online, that shoudn't be a problem in your 1940 8 horsepower clunker.
While we're all here, could you sharpen this babel fish translation up a bit? I get kind of lost at 'pigs of the hammer'
You everything do not have any complete better thing to do than ******* s? The monkeys have more cooth and the then tact you to do and they even sends its excrement in themselves. You all remember pigs to me. Also, KJ714 you are of a squadron of known actuators. so what gives the right him to work their pig of the hammer? when the world finishes and we are all in hell that I bevel delay to be the first one to salute to him Veto to the excrement not to offer a flaming opinion and you buch of the excrement that strikes of the group who throws to putas
Hey Gweedo/Zo/Dragoon
Don't start pm'ing me with a bunch of lame *** threats. Get a life.
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All sides will out number the other throught the day. They to will suffer the lack of Lgay7's
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Originally posted by thrila
In the space of an hour the rooks went from a 30 player adv to-
Bish 89
Knits 87
Rooks 91
Looks like it's working.:D
Dragoon if rook have been having low numbers lately then you have nothing to worry about.
They logged off in mass to make Bish suffer the ol La7 loss ;)
Seriously...i dont mind seeing this thing play out. But i think a different idea could acheived the desired result with WAY less infringment on the subscribers.
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Originally posted by dragoon
if you have to do something about the cry babies and whiners crying about the numbers...then figure out something else. dont hold us responsible cause we have a few more numbers then other countries.
i also want to point out lately we havent had the numbers yall cryin about.
PLEASE change it back or figure out something else. :mad:
LOL,
If you don't have the numbers lately then I would think that you have nothing to complain about since it only affects the country with the numbers :aok
You call people "cry babies and whiners about the numbers"? Well your post is a little......hmmm.......well you get the point :D
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this make no sence when i hear other say" live with it"
THIS IS A direct post from Hitech's front webpage
" Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WWII air combat
and sets it in an online high intensity environment where
hundreds of players can battle it out with and against
each other. High fidelity air combat is the heart of
Aces High, but it doesn't end there. In addition to
flying a multitude of aircraft types, players can
also man vehicles, boats, amphibs, gun batteries,
and ships. It's the most diverse virtual arsenal
available to players in this genre and it's constantly
growing through frequent updates. In the air, on
land, and at sea, the battle rages 24 hours a day
with participants from around the world."
lets pick apart this
"
In addition to
flying a multitude of aircraft types( NOT WHEN ONE SIDE IS OUT NUMBERED) , players can
also man vehicles, boats, amphibs, gun batteries,
and ships. It's the most diverse virtual arsenal
available to players :lol in this genre and it's constantly
growing through frequent updates"
DOESNT LOOK LIKE ITS TO AVAILABLE 24 HRS AS THE WEBPAGE SUGGESTS.. and if this is the case why not perk more than the one german bomber....lets perk the b17's and lanc's i say 200pts each....NOW LETS REALLY HEAR YOU GUYS WHO SAY "JOIN ANOTHER COUNTRY IF YOU DONT LIKE IT"
come on im whining about 6 formations of lanc's 14 1000's each dropping on a field...
oh thats right we cant do that because that would make things uneven or not historically right....just like when Germany was getting its tail kicked by the Russians...The Germans Cried Foul...Russians Stop flying the la7's and went up to fight jerry's in
there r-5sh ww1 biplanes to even things out for germany in ww2
:lol :lol :lol :mad:
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Originally posted by grunch
DOESNT LOOK LIKE ITS TO AVAILABLE 24 HRS AS THE WEBPAGE SUGGESTS..
There are still a multitude of planes available.
Then again, maybe you're right.
You should sue.
-Sik
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Dragoon, get another translater,,,,lol.
Ton francais est pire que la mien. Prendre ce pour la vrais francais de Quebec, vas donc chier mon hosti de tapette!! Ci t'es au rien miuex de faire que brouille (sp? lol) vas leche la cul de ton chien. Arrete de fair la baboon, sort ton tete de ton cul puis vol une autre l'avion, mon hosti de christ!!
lol
Man my french written sucks...
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Je suis malade et fatigue... tu jour la mem chose...
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:D ,;) ,:p ,:cool: ,:rofl ,:aok
That about sums this 1 up!
<>HTC
Anton
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Je suis malade et fatigue... tu jour la mem chose...
I can understand that Hyrax, i thinkat some point or another,it happens to all of us, and for different reasons.
I'm flyin with low fps, in ancient planes on an outnumbered country, and I always find a way to enjoy myself, ok granted, that usually follows many beer, but that doen't detract from my point.
mais bonne chance, et bonne vol, .
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Signpost ahead:
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Warbirds
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Fighter Ace
Good luck mystery squad!
-Sik
That'll 'bout double the players in WB, right ?:D
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Originally posted by Octavius
HTC is not forcing you to play a certain way. He stated before, a choice is being offered. If you refuse to switch countries, YOU are forcing YOURSELF to remain limited.
And HiTech is admitting that the three country model is a failure... and other things have to be done to even the sides.
Let's go to two countries. When you log in you get dumped into whichever country is short people.
No need for squads either.
Can get rid of all those country stats, player stats, squad stats. Man... the more I look at this the more advantages I see. Imagine the amount of overhead that could be saved if we did that. A lot less to maintain etc.
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Originally posted by Zanth
Can't (and won't) speak for anyone else, but I'll probabaly resubscribe, pending news on how this is working of course.
Heya Zanth. I will wait and see how it works out as well... but I might just change places with you. We can neatly offset each other.
I don't care to be told that I have to change countries to fly my plane(s) of choice. Especially where I have no control over who decides to fly in which country.
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Originally posted by thrila
In the space of an hour the rooks went from a 30 player adv to-
Bish 89
Knits 87
Rooks 91
Looks like it's working.:D
Dragoon if rook have been having low numbers lately then you have nothing to worry about.
30 plane advantage to the combined BISH / KNIT numbers or just 30 planes more than the next highest country?
Why doesn't the three country model allow the two lower countries to to focus on the larger and prevail? That is why we have three countries?
There should be absolutely no reason we need parity between the three countries... as long as balance can be maintained to prevent a runaway by any one country.
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Originally posted by Xargos
What's worse, flying with people you don't like or flying a plane you don't like?
Being FORCED to have to make a choice....
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Originally posted by airbumba
Dragoon, get another translater,,,,lol.
Ton francais est pire que la mien. Prendre ce pour la vrais francais de Quebec, vas donc chier mon hosti de tapette!! Ci t'es au rien miuex de faire que brouille (sp? lol) vas leche la cul de ton chien. Arrete de fair la baboon, sort ton tete de ton cul puis vol une autre l'avion, mon hosti de christ!!
lol
Man my french written sucks...
so you question my sexuality eh?
"Your French is worse than the mien. To take it for French truths of Quebec, thus **** my hosti of queer!! Are Ci to you with nothing miuex to make that estrangement (sp? lol) go leche the bottom of your dog. Arrete to fair the baboon, leaves your tete your bottom then flight the another plane, my hosti of Christ!!"
lol takes one to know one :aok
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kj714 at least im not part of a squad known for cheaters lol. i seem to remember wilby going rook, upping buffs and letting your dirty fokkers vulch him to death to pad scores and gain perkies. so you think its funny that my squad are not playing in the numbers we are used to playing? they logged on and simply said F this and logged out. the strike they was talking about had nothing to do with your lame attempt at a laugh. they are talking about not playing, quitting and simply screwing with the system to make it hell on those who started this whining schitt. and i bet you were the number one whiner. your squad CO said for everyone to cool it and here ya are again. so i think im gonna search for a post.
dont start something ya cant finish kj refer to my signature.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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HeHe HoHo HaHa. ..... a few just miss the whole picture, its all about the long term for HTC... I'm sure they all (HTC) knew from the start it would take time for the game to grow and get debugged etc.. anybody in business knows it all takes time for things to level out, go ahead and times all the 14.95 per month you want, if 100 or 200 people quit the game, it wont make them go under , they wont throw out the game, i dont know any of the people at htc personally, I just know business people. some must think these guys are just slaming all this green in their pockets, well they may do ok, but im know for sure they have some expenses.... most all business do... sigh.... for sure.....All they can do is try things out, they aint gunna buckle under the threat of cancels, I would'nt!! paying 14.95 a month does'nt mean you dont have to be a little understanding. besides if they do get too many people canceling (and we know they wont),,,,.......... ya Hitech - Skuzzy just let me know i'll get a second account or three just to help ya out, of course you would let me know when your back in the green so i may reinstate my nudie bar yearly pass. (yeh,! boyeeezzzz!! i'd give that up for the hood!!) lmmfao!!!!!!!!!! Relax it'll all be ok.... or close to ok........ Dont be Hate'n!!!!!!! lmmfao again & & & & &.................... it will always be something with someone, til the end of time. .. .... hehehohohaha!!!!
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3 country has been in place ever since AW land from what i hear. you had A,B, and C land in AW. its not the 3 coutry that is a problem its this damn small map stuff. Uterus is a perfect example. you have 150+ rooks on a 2 sector front.
Now i really dont understand why you people that fly (quoted from shane) "Gurl planes" learn to fly more interesting, and fun rides like the 109F4. Hell i think a P47D11 is 10x as god a p51. Lgay7 is a La5 on steroids. Spits you have a hurricane that is almost as good. I mean come on guys every single plane in AH (cept 38) has a counter part you can fly that handles like it.:rolleyes: Stop whining and head to the TA!
Or better yet Come on down to the CT!
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Originally posted by dragoon
kj714 at least im not part of a squad known for cheaters lol. i seem to remember wilby going rook, upping buffs and letting your dirty fokkers vulch him to death to pad scores and gain perkies. so you think its funny that my squad are not playing in the numbers we are used to playing? they logged on and simply said F this and logged out. the strike they was talking about had nothing to do with your lame attempt at a laugh. they are talking about not playing, quitting and simply screwing with the system to make it hell on those who started this whining schitt. and i bet you were the number one whiner. your squad CO said for everyone to cool it and here ya are again. so i think im gonna search for a post.
dont start something ya cant finish kj refer to my signature.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Groan, you are such a tard. Search for the post, Racerx aint gonna care. Try not to have a meltdown this time. You are a real pewsy with that pm'ing karpola.
Introducing The Shiznot's finest ---> Mr. Dragoon, Zo, Gweedo, whatever online whacko persona you've got going on now.
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Is it me or did the dragoon guy have, like, some sort of babblefish meltdown? :D
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Ok . Thats wacked dude!!!!!. lets be civil here... Bit off subject eh?, your bringing up stuff that dont have any thing to do with the discussion.. besides (remember that ol saying, ummmmm , thats like the pot calling the kettle black) gezzz man what the f! , ya know I never remarked or replied to any of that crap then, rather not now either,,,, nudges Mr.D ,,,..... ya know where im comming from.... so lets be cool , dont get in a uproar .... Dont be Hate'n!! take deep breath, hold it, get a head rush , sit back in your chair.... relax ..... do it for the children for crimminy sakes... think of the children!!!! ok?ok.......
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Originally posted by Arlo
Is it me or did the dragoon guy have, like, some sort of babblefish meltdown? :D
Looks like we're headed that way again.
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Originally posted by tactic
Ok . Thats wacked dude!!!!!. lets be civil here... Bit off subject eh?, your bringing up stuff that dont have any thing to do with the discussion.. besides (remember that ol saying, ummmmm , thats like the pot calling the kettle black) gezzz man what the f! , ya know I never remarked or replied to any of that crap then, rather not now either,,,, nudges Mr.D ,,,..... ya know where im comming from.... so lets be cool , dont get in a uproar .... Dont be Hate'n!! take deep breath, hold it, get a head rush , sit back in your chair.... relax ..... do it for the children for crimminy sakes... think of the children!!!! ok?ok.......
He's just been waiting for it. I guess Zo/Gweedo/Dragoon took getting kicked out of the squad really personal. They say time brings wisdom, but I guess some people's clocks are a little slower, cuz they're missing a spring or two. And thats no bullschitt!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
3 country has been in place ever since AW land from what i hear. you had A,B, and C land in AW. its not the 3 coutry that is a problem its this damn small map stuff. Uterus is a perfect example. you have 150+ rooks on a 2 sector front.
But if Rooks have 150+ on 2 fronts.. facing 100 Knits on one and 100 Bish on another... why is that a problem?
The 3 country is failing not because of the maps... because two countries can't see the need to focus on one. It worked Weds and Thurs with no problems. Rooks were PINNED on the main island.
This abortion we have instituted to even the sides says....
3 country is broken.
Country based game play model (resets, cooperative missions, etc) is broken. (you can't expect to have people move to keep things even so it is harder to get a reset)
All that is left is the individual game play model.
So throw out 2/3rd of the game... even the sides.
At this point... we only need 2 countries... no land grab... no reset....
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Originally posted by dragoon
and if theres a problem catch me online :)
you throwing out duel challenges? I was making it a hobby last tour to find pilots ranked in the top 20 and going to the DA to see if their skill level was equal to their rank. Would love to add you to my list.
Not being rude, not chest pounding, just curious. You have been a top ranked pilot for many tours now, and I would like to see if it's merited. (doubting it though)
Let me know...
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I for one think its a brave step htc have made...i for one welcome it.(anythinkg to stop the stagnation) i also think its good...
ive read some posts of canceling accouts and stuff, well there are how many planes? and your worried that you wont be able to fly 1 or 2 of them some of the time..what a shameful act threatening to do this or do that, stamping your feet and throwing tantrums..
This game is for everyone not just you, Stop and think somepeople might welcome this( I for one do) move just as much as you dont..let it bed in, and think again next month
Pull yourselves together, take a deep breath, count to ten..and remember you cant please all the people , all of the time..
try flying something else, after all you pay your 15 dollars for them too..:aok
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
I for one think its a brave step htc have made...i for one welcome it.(anythinkg to stop the stagnation) i also think its good...
ive read some posts of canceling accouts and stuff, well there are how many planes? and your worried that you wont be able to fly 1 or 2 of them some of the time..what a shameful act threatening to do this or do that, stamping your feet and throwing tantrums..
This game is for everyone not just you, Stop and think somepeople might welcome this( I for one do) move just as much as you dont..let it bed in, and think again next month
Pull yourselves together, take a deep breath, count to ten..and remember you cant please all the people , all of the time..
try flying something else, after all you pay your 15 dollars for them too..:aok
But why is this step necessary?
Why did HTC suddenly say.... "Gee I MUST do something to level numbers"?
Is the strength of any one country SIGNIFICANTLY larger than the COMBINED strength of the other two? (the reason there are three countries is to allow allocation of effort etc to counter one country running away with the ox cart) When I say SIGNIFICANTLY larger, does the strength of one exceed say 40-60 more thanthe COMBINED strength of the other two? Not in small blocks.. say one evening... but everyday... most of the day...etc.
I would suggest that no one country is stronger than the other two combined for any length of time on a repetitive basis. Rather, the three country model is not used as it was designed to offset numbers imbalance. That and of course the two smaller countries, if they combine, cannot realistically work to an arena reset for one while they are working more or less together.
Last week, especially Weds and Thurs the Rooks were PINNED on the small main island with 6 or less bases all night.
Yet Friday we implement a strategy to encourage (read force) cross leveling of fliers. When the arena finally starts using the three country model in a manner for which it was intended, we reward that by changing the model.
I'm not going to go into vignettes to show how someone could change country based on availability of plane types and the numbers shift within 30 minutes and now he is once again in the "wrong" country and is stuck there for 12 hours.
The arena was designed to account for uneven distribution. The reason it doesn't work well is people don't understand or like to have to adjust their effort to more or less team with another country for whatever time period uneven distribution requires it. They want a chance to be MY COUNTRY the arena reset winner. Which of course is another major game play model of AH that is now being broken because we are encouraging people to switch countries based on numbers.
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Originally posted by 4510
At this point... we only need 2 countries... no land grab... no reset....
Bull Manure. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Bull Manure. :D
Ah another intelligent response......
Were you on the original design team for AH?
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Originally posted by dragoon
so here is what i think of all yall who are simply *******s in the world i live in :) recieving flak from such members who are known for cheating and you know who ya are;)
Enlighten us with your divine knowledge. :D
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Originally posted by 4510
Were you on the original design team for AH?
And that relates to what?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
And that relates to what?
Sorry Jakal... I was trying to add as much value to the dialog as you were. I sunk to your level.
Let me spell it out in a clearer manner. Why a two word reply... BULL MANURE?
Why not "I disagree.. and here is why?"
I mean in an information exchange....wouldn't one want to at least exchange some information?
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lets see. how is that a problem. i guess the young skull needs to educate you.
150 rooks on 2 fronts.
100 bish on 2 fronts
100 knights on 2 fronts
now lets see.
OMG THAT IS 50 KNIGHTS AND BISH ON EACH OTHERS FRONT.
While the rooks on the other hand heave 25 more pilots on each front. spread out over a 2 sector front. that = overwhelming odds.
get the idea or do i have to educate you some more?
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4510, you are assuming that the 2 lower countries will join up to hit the larger 3rd country. That is an assumption, not a fact.
People behave in ways that are not always predictable. In AH, people dont all play for the strat. Lots of fliers could care less about bases, they just want a good fight -- and if they can get a capture of an unwatched base, they will. So, strat minded people have to defend agianst the weaker guys too.
Watch what actually happens in the MA -- truces are realtively rare except for sunday nights, when the previously huge rook numbers made it mandatory. Dont ASSUME others will behave in ways that make sense to you -- test your theory with reality, and you'l see better why changes were made.
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Originally posted by 4510
Why did HTC suddenly say.... "Gee I MUST do something to level numbers"?
At a guess I'd say he was losing many subscriptions due to the rampant imbalance.
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Originally posted by 4510
I'm not going to go into vignettes to show how someone could change country based on availability of plane types and the numbers shift within 30 minutes and now he is once again in the "wrong" country...
The arena was designed to account for uneven distribution. The reason it doesn't work well is people don't understand or like to have to adjust their effort to more or less team with another country for whatever time period uneven distribution requires it. They want a chance to be MY COUNTRY the arena reset winner. Which of course is another major game play model of AH that is now being broken because we are encouraging people to switch countries based on numbers.
Excellent points, all, 4510. As a Rook squad we are constantly looking at bases owned and changing targets to beat down the nearest (closest in number of bases) opponent.
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Originally posted by Karnak
At a guess I'd say he was losing many subscriptions due to the rampant imbalance.
Again, when I am overwhelmed by numbers of planes - I climb into a Tank - or a field gun - or a CV gun. I find something I can play in and have never logged because it was impossible to do so.
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Again, when I am overwhelmed by numbers of planes - I climb into a Tank - or a field gun - or a CV gun. I find something I can play in and have never logged because it was impossible to do so.
What you do has nothing to do with whether or not the imbalance was costing HTC subscribers.
Many people will have nothing to do with GVs at all.
How this will work out as far as subscriber impact goes, well...
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naww doubt that, HTC does'nt wake up in the morning and say, lets see what we can do to piss off the players today and lose a few. Reading the whines does not make there day or mine for that matter (ok some whines are pretty funny). Who knows what will work til its tried ? eh? , its a % thing. Try to make 70% happy , 25% little less satisfied but can live with it , the other 5% nothing in the world makes them happy Period!.. So!! slow the frick down and give it a week or two, it aint gunna damage you for life.. or you'd ,for sure, not be here now, with all the transitions we've ALL gone through . imbalance,, bah! big deal. funny to see some guy (1) out numbered (who cares what country he flies for) have 3 or 4 or more guys on him and watch him kill every dang one of them and fly home. never biotching once about being out numbered.. see it happen all the time, before any biotching about this imbalance BS started. Matter of fact!!!! the only people that do or did biotch were the 3 or 4 guys now sitting in the tower saying, how he do dat? we had him out numbered!! lmao!!!!! (ive been one in the tower saying that exact statement) numbers bah!!!!! If things were not tried out we would not even have AH to play on now my brothers. what really needs to be biotched about is TV all the freaking reruns they play, and we all im sure spend more then 15.00 on tv sat or cable,,, call them up and biotch to them, see where that gets you. the same ol shows as yesterday!!! HTC is doing ok.. it aint easy stuff or all you guys would have it fixed for HT. Anybody that thinks they could do better, start code'n ... Let us all know when you have the game perfect, and we'll all quit AH2 and join your online flying game, I'm sure the HTC staff would love to go to work for you, sence you wrote a game thats so much better ya put them outa business. I'll wait right here , should only take , what? a few hours to get it going on line. we'll all be waiting with bells on.. so hurry!!!! write that code w/ no bugs.. just do it were all tired of this BS. you go boyeeeeeeeeeee!!
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Got it done yet? dang! hurry! cant wait, but i am! done yet?
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throw me an email would ya? would like to speak with ya. dont worry not gonna flip out lol. until your posts i never realised just how much i miss your rambling :) if ya dont have me email nemore look me up in the game please. again sorry about before. peace
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The new system is lookin pretty good. Not exactly how I would have tried to even numbers/advantages, but at least it is a step.
AH is progressing, changing, etc...I like that. Seems to me HT cares deeply about his game, otherwise we would never have progressed much beyond AH1 and the first patch or so.
I say hats off to HT and crew.
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Originally posted by Rino
I don't get all the angst, wasn't Zazen just telling us the other
day how leet the Rooks were. You know..how much better their
k/d and how the other countries just couldn't measure up?
Surely flying different aircraft couldn't effect the uberness of
rookdom..that would be very strange indeed:rolleyes:
As they used to say in the old days...A kill has been recorded.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by dragoon
oh yea, dont gimme no schitt no bullschitt: and bustr if ya dont like it sir refer to my signature for your solution. far as im concerned your just another BBS flamer like the rest in which i hold little regard for. :aok refer to the part that says ESAD please......oops looks like your able to tolerate schitt due to the fact that its what flows from your lips. get over it flamer
Bustr was just pointing out the contradiction of your signature and whine. Your signature is full of testosterone which is in direct contrast to the estrogen filled whine of your post.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
lets see. how is that a problem. i guess the young skull needs to educate you.
150 rooks on 2 fronts.
100 bish on 2 fronts
100 knights on 2 fronts
now lets see.
OMG THAT IS 50 KNIGHTS AND BISH ON EACH OTHERS FRONT.
While the rooks on the other hand heave 25 more pilots on each front. spread out over a 2 sector front. that = overwhelming odds.
get the idea or do i have to educate you some more?
Well B17... I understand what you are saying....
Your very statement explains why the 3 country model that should be able to control this problem doesn't work. Someone can't do simple math.
Maybe you could spend your time educating the Bish and Knits how to do math? If they can't see how they can both allocate enough people to counter the Rooks and still have some fights between themselves.... pity the fools.
But rather than do that... they go off and fight each other and then wonder why Rooks can overpower them. :rolleyes:
And suddenly it is a game design issue and a woe is me arena problem. :eek:
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Skull your reply is rather close minded. It would be rather stupid for the two lower countries not to place extra resources on the major front. If that is infact how folks play then there will always be an imbalance of some sort. Frankly it's a rather stupid decision to even think of splitting 50/50 when you know someone has more numbers. If that is what those countries choose to do then who's fault is it because common sense flew right over their head?
I'm going to assume the 3 country concept had in mind that another country may outnumber the other two at some point and time and that those two would have to shift accordingly. Why have a combat simulation if all fronts have to be perfectly even? Show me one war where this was the case. Fun Game play is another big hitter here. If the numbers are extremely lopsided then yes fun game play will take a hit. That is an issue and has to be fixed.
The extreme numbers is what folks are complaining about. Yes when it comes down to one side having an advantage even if the two lower countries applied all resources then there is an issue. Which at the current rate only happens on one night of the week.
But folks seem to make it as if it's every night of the week which is total bs.
HTC has the ability to track each countries players and indicate their relative position on dar. HTC also has the ability to track and know who owns what bases. They can also account for the overall number of folks per each country. Right now as far as I can tell the system is only dynamically changed based on the overall number and nothing else. My question is how do you know exactly who is outnumbered and where the imbalance is actually occuring? The overall number may indicate initially that a particular country has more members online. What it doesn't account for as far as I can see is where each country is concentrating on and how many numbers they are using on a Bish, Knight or Rook front.
So lets say rooks do have 150, Knights 100,and Bish 100. Who's to say that during this time frame Knights and Bish are actually thinking logically and placing added resources to the Rook front? This isn't just a Rooks thing it goes for all countries. Bish and Knights could also be in the "top" numbers slot and having the other two countries even the front lines by adding some extra resources. Yet they would still get penalized for their overall number even though the playing field is balanced on atleast 2 out of the three fronts. Expecting all three fronts to be balanced isn't going to happen and in the meanwhile some unfortunate country that has higher overall numbers may actually be the one getting overwhelmed by the other two. If one side actually does have an overall strategic advantage then we can pass judgement on them and restrict them in whatever way we feel fit. Just because you have numbers doesn't necessarily mean your winning the war. I'm sure there is many examples in our history to prove that.
I have no idea if it's even possible but here's my thoughts on a possible solution.
Include the following variables:
Number of bases owned.
Number of each countries players on a particular front.
Number of players per each country.
This game is about fun and about team work so folks can accomplish the overall mission which is reset one side and win the war. The current state punishes one side for overall numbers but doesn't account for how the strategic battle is actually playing out. I just don't understand how we can look at the books cover but not look at the words written inside. We are judging the book prior to ever knowing what it's really about because we have yet to look inside.
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Originally posted by Simaril
4510, you are assuming that the 2 lower countries will join up to hit the larger 3rd country. That is an assumption, not a fact.
People behave in ways that are not always predictable. In AH, people dont all play for the strat. Lots of fliers could care less about bases, they just want a good fight -- and if they can get a capture of an unwatched base, they will. So, strat minded people have to defend agianst the weaker guys too.
Watch what actually happens in the MA -- truces are realtively rare except for sunday nights, when the previously huge rook numbers made it mandatory. Dont ASSUME others will behave in ways that make sense to you -- test your theory with reality, and you'l see better why changes were made.
Simaril... I am not assuming they will.... I am saying the 3 country model was setup in the expectation they will. Let's be reasonable... the Bish and Knits both say the Rooks are the overbearing power in the MA. I would think the Bish and Knits would log on with visions of killing Rooks almost exclusively. If they aren't then whose fault is it they get overrun?
I mean that would be like complaining you have no dar when you don't bother to defend your HQs. The ability to negate this Rook advantage exists.... but Bish and Knits don't use it... and then as for a rule change or this "fix". :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Karnak
At a guess I'd say he was losing many subscriptions due to the rampant imbalance.
Well I suppose you could be correct. I certainly don't have visibility of who is leaving the game and why. But I still firmly believe if the Knits and Bish allocated their strength a little better (read don't fight between themselves when Rooks have large numbers up) there wouldn't be this problem. But my believing it doesn't mean it will work.
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Originally posted by Warp
The new system is lookin pretty good. Not exactly how I would have tried to even numbers/advantages, but at least it is a step.
AH is progressing, changing, etc...I like that. Seems to me HT cares deeply about his game, otherwise we would never have progressed much beyond AH1 and the first patch or so.
I say hats off to HT and crew.
Well I have trouble with saying HATS OFF. There certainly were a lot of other options. First I think HT and crew could contact the player base much more efficiently than they do. They do have all our email addresses. I don't believe the BBS accurately reflects the opinion of the player base... just the opinions of those who come to the BBS.
Personally I think the 3 country model and confronting the major power etc. should have been pushed more.
However, that being said.... I don't like the current plane at all. First... the formula they are using to start shutting off planes is a numbers advantage of X over the next nearest country. It should be X over the combined strength of the other two countries. Until then those countries could allocate their resources to counter the strongest country. They choose not to.
Secondly... rather than pull planes.... make them available only at the ME163 field near HQ. If the strongest country is backed up to fields right around HQ...so what if they have numbers and the ENY planes to fly. They don't have the land so they aren't going to reset anyone. So leave the plane set alone. As the front moves further away... then perhaps at a certain % of fields owned or something... the ENY planes become available only at the HQ field. Means they wouldn't have to change countries to fly them... but they would have to fly them a distance to join the fight. Would have the same effect of slowing the strongest country but without shutting off the planes.
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Originally posted by dragoon
I go and post my griefs and get nothing but flak by people who are BBS pilots. so here is what i think of all yall who are simply *******s in the world i live in :) recieving flak from such members who are known for cheating and you know who ya are;)
He brought up the C word!
ack-ack
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Originally posted by dragoon
the strike mentioned was not a picket toting computer jockey. they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you potato peelin number whining crybabies and if theres a problem catch me online :)
Not that German is my strong point but I am rather fluent in Spanish and I don't think you're going to be around much after HT gets a translation from your previous post.
ack-ack
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Simaril your comment about assumptions and facts brings up a good question. How do you know and how does the game know whether or not this is occuring and adjust for it accordingly? Your making an assumption it doesn't happen when infact it does happen and not just when it's a race to reset either.
Though people don't necessarily choose to go fight specifically for the reset. Their presence and actions in a particular area can and do affect the game. A few guys looking for a dogfight roll across a mission accidentally and because they are there they jump the mission to get some kills. During this process the dogfighters force many of the players in this mission to jettison their ord. Now the mission that was suppose to hammer a base or take it has been foiled. The dogfighters weren't specifically set out to intercept a mission but because they happen to be in the right place at the right time thier actions changed the dynamics of the game unintentionally. Now have similiar scenarios play out across the playing field. Again these scenarios affect the game play regardless of what their original intentions were.
You don't have to predict what these guys are doing. You just have to indicate exactly what is happening at any given time based on what you have at your disposal. You can't have a dynamic game and then expect to help control the overall outcome by using one variable. You have to account for all of the changes that are happening and use multiple variables to ensure that the checks and balances you are trying to implement work accordingly.
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Originally posted by kj714
Looks like we're headed that way again.
Cool, another episode of "When 'tards meltdown".
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Karnak
At a guess I'd say he was losing many subscriptions due to the rampant imbalance.
Thing is if Hitech said "Guys, we're losing people due to major imbalances so this is what we're going to do as a test to see what happens" there wouldn't have been a problem.
It's the I'm right and stfu and take it is what gets up everyone's nose - happens on every online flitesim I've played - what is it with these guys.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Thing is if Hitech said "Guys, we're losing people due to major imbalances so this is what we're going to do as a test to see what happens" there wouldn't have been a problem.
It's the I'm right and stfu and take it is what gets up everyone's nose - happens on every online flitesim I've played - what is it with these guys.
Well I'm sure HiTech probably gets a little burned out with having to deal with a pretty vocal customer base. But I too have gotten a little tired of the HT "if we didn't think of it, it isn't worth thinking about" attitude. Might not be intended, but as you say... it certainly comes across that way.
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Wow!!!
The entire first page of posts is so positive I can hardly stand it.
TC:
" think the jest of the problem comes from the fact that so many here come from a big variety of different flight/combat sims or sims in general, each simmer had his/her idea of what was good or bad set in stone before they ever arrived in the AH realm and it just takes time to gel. More so as time progresses with AH2 more and more players have came around and accepted something new, alot of players in any game hates change, especially once they become accustomed to a certian way, hence Aces High Classic, we had it, what since open beta of was it 99/98 and all of a sudden everyone near the end of it around May or so was use to it, so here we are with AH2 a new up to date version..with it comes turmoil, some like it better, other dislike it......give it a year or so and we all be right back where we were over a year ago and having absolute fun..people come people go...true simmers always stick around til they are finally burnt out and have to leave it be for awhile....This community is not being torn apart or spiraling down, it is just in flux and is adjusting to all the changes from AH1 to AH2, this happens in every Flight/online Sim always has always will....just got to bite the bullet and see how it plays out........if it don't satisfy your taste buds, then that is how it should be....I feel alot of people just don't give things enough time, sure we all have our wants, sim players are greedy and when it comes right down to the jest of it, if it don't hold your interest or pisses you off to fast/too much you honestly need to step back and take a look at your self and how you are acting, if some realize how foolish they look after reading what they typed, maybe they should take some time off and enjoy the great outdoors.....but to flame players, flame the company that brings this fine entertainment to the masses is down right ludicrous.
I can't wait to see us all 10 years from now and I bet we all will still be acting the same identical way.....that is just the way it is and always will be......especially on a BBS
bottom line...if it isn't fun why waste your time........and bring everyone else down?
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the Damned Air Group
http://www.damned.org
Maybe just me
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Originally posted by 4510
And HiTech is admitting that the three country model is a failure... and other things have to be done to even the sides.
Let's go to two countries. When you log in you get dumped into whichever country is short people.
No need for squads either.
Can get rid of all those country stats, player stats, squad stats. Man... the more I look at this the more advantages I see. Imagine the amount of overhead that could be saved if we did that. A lot less to maintain etc.
Sorry...but, these are NOT good ideas. You went overboard when you suggested eliminating squads. :lol
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Originally posted by Sikboy
(http://www.warszawa.hailcesarz.com/images/boohoo.JPG)
rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Simaril your comment about assumptions and facts brings up a good question. How do you know and how does the game know whether or not this is occuring and adjust for it accordingly? Your making an assumption it doesn't happen when infact it does happen and not just when it's a race to reset either.....
I guess I didnt communicate my thoughts as well as I'd hoped, but Cobra got my clouded idea anyway.
When 100+ people are on a side, randomness enters the equation. Everybody's doing what they enjoy, and what they see as important for their goals (including the team goals), but enough unpredictability enters that the optimum strategic move gets blunted. That's why real wars have generals and enforce discipline -- like rules of engagement.
Without that discpline, you can't really expect entire outnumbered side to consistantly behave in the strategically optimal fashion.
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Originally posted by Simaril
When 100+ people are on a side, randomness enters the equation. Everybody's doing what they enjoy, and what they see as important for their goals (including the team goals), but enough unpredictability enters that the optimum strategic move gets blunted. That's why real wars have generals and enforce discipline -- like rules of engagement.
Without that discpline, you can't really expect entire outnumbered side to consistantly behave in the strategically optimal fashion.
Thank you for putting that point out there. Ive seen some stubborn views to the effect that if the high numbered country doesnt outnumber both countries combined, that there is no problem. That is a ridiculous notion considering that nobody can make their countrymen act stretegicly. Even with the few rare cease fires between the low numbered coutries, there were still groups of players running raids and jeprodizing the cease fire.
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Originally posted by 4510
But I too have gotten a little tired of the HT "if we didn't think of it, it isn't worth thinking about" attitude. Might not be intended, but as you say... it certainly comes across that way.
You might wish to check your facts. And read the 6 page thjead of where I discused my proposal, than changed what I was thinking to a player submited one. Oh and that was done b4 we made the change.
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Originally posted by dragoon
they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
thanks for ruining it for the rest of us you potato peelin number whining crybabies and if theres a problem catch me online :)
Sounds like you're making a threat to hack HTC. Better take a few days off and HOPE you don't get banned for life sparky.
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Simaril I understood what you were getting at. The one thing that hurts this all is people also cannot control the amount of players on one side or the other. So balancing the field of play will never happen it will always be unbalanced in some way or another.
Lets say folks do try balance the fields. They go to the sides that were outnumbered and about an hour later that side now has more numbers. Now those folks who did try to help out are stuck being penalized until x amount of players try to balance the field again. It's a never ending battle that unfortunately can't be completely fixed. Because of these type of scenarios and the design of the game folks have to do something to help counter more numbers per each side. They have to shift resources accordingly.
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It's impossible to try and balance the number of players in an ever changing arena environment. It changes almost every second. It can't be done. The best you can hope for is to adjust the advantage in other areas over to the side with the fewest.
The idea of restricting planes is actually a good one. It just needs to be modified a bit. I think the answer is to only restrict bombers based on player numbers.
This would not stop the offensive capability of the side with the most players. It would just require that they use more bomber personel to take ground. With more people tied up in doing buff duty then less people that country has for fighter ops. That's where the balance would take place.
The current setup with fighter restrictions just makes SOME of the pilots from the country with the most players easier kills. What is needed for balance is to require more people to accomplish the same task. (You have more people therefore you need more people to take a base.) Put tough restrictions on buffs using the current system and it would even things out. (Requiring more ground troops might be something to look at too.)
-Buzzz
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I still say... just raise or lower the countries lethallity of its bombs and bullets, like ,.. your countries lethality is -10% (-20 -30 etc.) or +10% what ever the case may be. then fly what ever the helk you want! if its minus 10% and it takes 3000lbs to kill VH,.. now takes 2700lbs to kill vh,... or plus 10%, it now would take 3300lbs to kill vh. have it in the pop up window like the one now for plane availablity.systm used now.. if it changes in flight , oh well so does the plane aval systm now... kinda more real life too its like they reenfoced the target or it got soft'n by artilary fire or something..... get it good!!! see thats easy... would work , minium whine factor ,<--- we'd hope on that 1!!!!
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Originally posted by tactic
I still say... just raise or lower the countries lethallity of its bombs and bullets, like ,.. your countries lethality is -10% (-20 -30 etc.) or +10% what ever the case may be. then fly what ever the helk you want! if its minus 10% and it takes 3000lbs to kill VH,.. now takes 2700lbs to kill vh,... or plus 10%, it now would take 3300lbs to kill vh. have it in the pop up window like the one now for plane availablity.systm used now.. if it changes in flight , oh well so does the plane aval systm now... kinda more real life too its like they reenfoced the target or it got soft'n by artilary fire or something..... get it good!!! see thats easy... would work , minium whine factor ,<--- we'd hope on that 1!!!!
i'd actually prefer to have the same consistent results on a given shot. we would hear even MORE whining if a shot resulted in a kill today while the same shot tomorrow resulted in minor damage.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Sorry...but, these are NOT good ideas. You went overboard when you suggested eliminating squads. :lol
I guess I didn't pour enough sarcasm on that post.....
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Originally posted by dragoon
the strike mentioned was not a picket toting computer jockey. they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
Originally posted by dragoon
the strike they was talking about had nothing to do with your lame attempt at a laugh. they are talking about not playing, quitting and simply screwing with the system to make it hell on those who started this whining schitt.
Hmm - suprised you or your squad is still here with threats of hacking (a cog in, or screwing with the system). If that's what you mean. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
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Buzz - This would be a good idea apart from 1 thing.
Whats the difference if it take 3 flights of B17s or 9 P38s to kill a town when one country outnumbers the other by more than the six extra people needed? Plus the 9 P38s also act as fighters.
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Originally posted by 4510
I guess I didn't pour enough sarcasm on that post.....
Or, I was just in a serious mood when I read it. :lol
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Now i really dont understand why you people that fly (quoted from shane) "Gurl planes" learn to fly more interesting, and fun rides like the 109F4.
i don't call any planes "gurl planes." i don't denigrate anyone's plane choice, only the weak-arsed way they fly them.
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4510,
Do you think Dale is going to sit and e-mail everyone personally for every issue? Ugh, that would take an entire new staff of people to accomplish.
I still say hats off if for no other reason than they are actively pursuing a solution to the issue. That in itself is a lot more than can be said for many online games. I know the whole issue surrounding the "C" word as well and I dare anyone here to find an online, multiplayer game that has less cheaters and cheats in it than AH. No one here can argue that HT and crew have one of the tightest games when it comes to that. In addition, they still continue to advance the game, create new systems, setups, refine the play, the modeling, etc all the while maintaining a relatively cheat-free, highly dynamic game...and all with a relatively small crew. Oh, and they don't charge us an arm and a leg to play either.
Do we have frustratoins with the game? You bet...I do, you do, everyone does for the most part, but IMHO it is still the best online war sim available...and getting better.
I think HT provided some good input when he said that everyone's solution to the numbers problem was centric ("doesn't impact me" is how he put it I think). He may be right. Unless we as the gaming group police ourselves and fix the numbers issues, he has no choice but to do it for us...as long as we continue to cry about it.
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Originally posted by Warp
4510,
Do you think Dale is going to sit and e-mail everyone personally for every issue? Ugh, that would take an entire new staff of people to accomplish.
Well I don't know Warp.... I know he didn't on this issue. However, I would suggest if you can program to the level evident in AH you could write a script that can send a general notice to the customers describing the issue at hand and solicit input. Like I said... not everyone comes to the BBS on a regular basis. When we have major issues with the game / arena etc. and you are about to implement changes that affect the entire customer base..... is it bad business to make sure the customer base knows what the issues are.
? I don't think so and I don't think it would be that difficult to do. Heck even the low speed programmers I work with could pull that one off... and figure out a way to have a subject line or something that caused an auto sort when the replies came back.
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Originally posted by hitech
You might wish to check your facts. And read the 6 page thjead of where I discused my proposal, than changed what I was thinking to a player submited one. Oh and that was done b4 we made the change.
That thread is where I found about the impending change....
as it sits today... (and I didn't count all ten pages..) but thru 5 pages.. you have input from about 120 individual people (give or take a few). If we just accept that the increase of new posters will double that number by the end of 10 pages you have managed to get the involvement of 240 people.
Seems a pretty small sample for the number of customers you have.
My opinion of course.
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I wish the ENY thing was not needed, but it was implemented due to the never ending whines of folks who demanded that something be done about the numbers imbalance. Ironically many of those who dislike this ENY setup are the very same ones (not all so calm down I was not referring to you :D) that were p1ssing and moaning about the hordes.
I wish HTC would put the issue to rest regarding the subscription base. Are the number of active accounts within 5% of where they were last year this time? If so, drop the talk about a dwindling player base once and for all.
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Originally posted by 4510
That thread is where I found about the impending change....
as it sits today... (and I didn't count all ten pages..) but thru 5 pages.. you have input from about 120 individual people (give or take a few). If we just accept that the increase of new posters will double that number by the end of 10 pages you have managed to get the involvement of 240 people.
Seems a pretty small sample for the number of customers you have.
My opinion of course.
I got an idea, why don't you quit AH2, and create your own flight sim. It's quite OBVIOUS you already know everything, and could focus your vastly superior intellect and abilities to creat a product that would stand heads and sholders abover what poor ole' Dale has done.
BUT until you do, leave the programming ideas to the guys that have experience in this kind of thing. HT has created a product that is 2nd to none, and should be commended for all that he has accomplished. What i've come to know after several year of flying here, is that eventually (generally sooner than later) it all gets worked out.
Your suggestion to send out mass emails with every change in the product is just plain silly. Just because you CAN do something, does not mean that is the BEST thing to do. BUT in the sim YOU create, you can email everyone what you had for breakfast each day, if you hang left or right, and send everyone neat little My Littly Pony cards on the subscribers birthday.
Your people skills are lackin' bub. Had I been HT, after you flamed me on MY OWN BBS, I woulda told you to take your measly 14.95 and shove it. (keep it up though, he still might...) You need this game alot more than he need 15 bucks.
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Enjoying the new system.
Re-subscribed.
I quit because of all the gang-banging.
Whether or not it works, I could not tell in the short time I played this weekend, but I had some great even fights with a whole new set of airplanes.
So Far...WTG HT.
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"People like you form the play very hard to swallow. Don't you have to do moods nothing better than Ratenwhines and Flammesomeonesleid? Receive to one **** inleben you psycho sluts from hell. And if ya do not like it, receive to the Bumsen more rueber it already. More people post and play then straight they in such a way give which you the right to be Gesamtjerkoffs? Silence in, which tries, to represent it from me. Anyway I am patient of hearing your **** when trying to communicate a formal objection. All you had your probability whining and kept you your way real on... WTG!!!" - Originally posted by Dragoon
Loose translation folks.
Dragoon, I'm tired of the whines on country channel (Rook) over this issue. What pisses me off is when I tell them to hop in a different plane, you have people like Danld who will chime in and start cussing. What I find funny? It's like I said last night to him: "Had I agreed with the whines you typed, you wouldn't be arguing with me now would you?" You don't have the sack to cuss in English. I've been a Rook longer, and really am fed up with the way some now "blame" this patch for their lack of talent.
The Me163 is the ONLY legitimate complaint for this ENTIRE ISSUE, if there is to be one complaint. The niki is for sissies, and I used to fly the LGay7, now I fly the La5. What it boils to is simple, you'd rather roll a Niki to a vulched field and be lucky to land 2 kills. Where as I (and have done for the last 8 months) fly a higher enemy valued plane and land 3+. You afraid to do some work and get perks. But go ahead with your whining.
Don't let the door hit you in the arse. I'm at my wits end with the whining. This is sincerely pathetic.
Karaya
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Originally posted by dragoon
Also, KJ714 you are of a squadron of known actuators. so what gives the right him to work their pig of the hammer? when the world finishes and we are all in hell that I bevel delay to be the first one to salute to him Veto to the excrement not to offer a flaming opinion and you buch of the excrement that strikes of the group who throws to putas
Actuators?
pig hammers?
bevel delays?
...and a few putas thrown in for good measure?
:eek:
Originally posted by dragoon
"People like you form the play very hard to swallow. Don't you have to do moods nothing better than Ratenwhines and Flammesomeonesleid? Receive to one **** inleben you psycho sluts from hell. And if ya do not like it, receive to the Bumsen more rueber it already. More people post and play then straight they in such a way give which you the right to be Gesamtjerkoffs? Silence in, which tries, to represent it from me. Anyway I am patient of hearing your **** when trying to communicate a formal objection. All you had your probability whining and kept you your way real on... WTG!!!"
LMAO, I am really having a hard time telling if he is off his meds or on the wrong ones. Someone send some men in white coats and a bambulance to Dragoons cave...STAT.
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Man, all I know at this point is that all the way through college I didn't write papers as long as some of these posts.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Buzz - This would be a good idea apart from 1 thing.
Whats the difference if it take 3 flights of B17s or 9 P38s to kill a town when one country outnumbers the other by more than the six extra people needed? Plus the 9 P38s also act as fighters.
Exactly right. It would take 3 times as many heavy fighters to do the work that 3 guys in 17s could do. Those fighters are flying heavy so until they drop they are not really in the furball action.
Using plane restirction can not / will not / is not making even numbers in the arena as it is now. Limiting buffs wouldn't even out numbers either. It would just take a few more people off fighter sweeps and CAP duty and put them in "target" aircraft. It would have a major impact on slowing down the land grab and make it so that if things got real uneven, one side is not going to blitz another totally off the map in short order.
You can't make the sides even. Can't be done. But this ability of restricting planes might have another use. I'm just trying to find another application for this feature that might be worthwhile.
-Buzzz
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Actuators?
pig hammers?
bevel delays?
...and a few putas thrown in for good measure?
:eek:
LMAO, I am really having a hard time telling if he is off his meds or on the wrong ones. Someone send some men in white coats and a bambulance to Dragoons cave...STAT.
Well Edbert, I swear I got a cab ride in NYC once and heard exactly the same thing.
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4510,
You're right, not everyone comes to the BBS, but then again, there is nothing stopping them from doing so either. It's also quite possible many do not come here because they are happy enough with the game as is that they don't feel the need to come here to discuss anyhting. It's also possible that many come, read the posts, read the announcements and never post at all. Your argument holds no merit in this respect.
The BBS is a perfectly viable solution for discussions as BBS's have been since day one (before the worldwide web, back when BBS's were dialed into). It's kind of the point of a BBS actually. The BBS provides for interaction with everyone participating, not just between you and HT in your private e-mails.
I can imagine the outcry that would ensue should HT go to an e-mail solution and then decides to implement someone's suggestion. That poor slob would be accused of any number of things, not to mention the whining that would start on the BBS about not having a fair say or not being able to express opinions on the matter. No, I think the BBS is the best solution in this case. Of course, that's my opinion...and I'm sticking to it :-)
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I'm sure they find the bbs useful for feedback, but I think they also rely on their own knowledge of what makes a good experience for their customers.
Is there really anything that could have been done to "promote balance" that wouldn't have caused just as much outcry? I think any approach that caused a material change in the game to balance things out would've been met with as much resistance, even some of the alternatives that are being discussed now.
The Rook RJO was wildly successful, a little too much maybe.
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Actually HT is somewhat of a prophet:
"Giving rewards to the lower number side, while some what helping out the getting screwed feeling does not seem to provide a large enough force to move people across countrys.
Had considered new players to the lower side, but this does nothing to help out short term balance, and allso provides a force for people to want to go to the higher number side. I.E. If your on the high side, you have lots of dweebs to kill.
Limiting plane selection on the high side could possibly work. But im not sure there would be any less complaints than for the time limit. Can hear all thow , how come "Insert fav plane here" is limited and not the "Insert fav dweeb complaint plane here" is not."
Geez, it's a good thing the time limit dealio got tossed, I'd even feel sorry for the high side on that.
PS: I think I'm changing my handle to "PigHamr"
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Your suggestion to send out mass emails with every change in the product is just plain silly.
I think I mentioned major changes.... not every change.
Your people skills are lackin' bub. Had I been HT, after you flamed me on MY OWN BBS, I woulda told you to take your measly 14.95 and shove it. (keep it up though, he still might...) You need this game alot more than he need 15 bucks.
While I would like this game to continue to succeed in a big way... ah no... I don't need it... or for that matter the $14.95. But if I'm going to do a charitable donation I want a receipt for tax purposes.
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Originally posted by Warp
4510,
You're right, not everyone comes to the BBS, but then again, there is nothing stopping them from doing so either. It's also quite possible many do not come here because they are happy enough with the game as is that they don't feel the need to come here to discuss anyhting. It's also possible that many come, read the posts, read the announcements and never post at all. Your argument holds no merit in this respect.
The BBS is a perfectly viable solution for discussions as BBS's have been since day one (before the worldwide web, back when BBS's were dialed into). It's kind of the point of a BBS actually. The BBS provides for interaction with everyone participating, not just between you and HT in your private e-mails.
I can imagine the outcry that would ensue should HT go to an e-mail solution and then decides to implement someone's suggestion. That poor slob would be accused of any number of things, not to mention the whining that would start on the BBS about not having a fair say or not being able to express opinions on the matter. No, I think the BBS is the best solution in this case. Of course, that's my opinion...and I'm sticking to it :-)
Good points... but if you are making a major change... wouldn't it be a nice "personal touch" to send something directly each subscriber that describes the situation, what is at stake and seek input? EVEN if the player was directed to the appropriate portion of the BBS to participate in the process.
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Originally posted by kj714
I'm sure they find the bbs useful for feedback, but I think they also rely on their own knowledge of what makes a good experience for their customers.
Is there really anything that could have been done to "promote balance" that wouldn't have caused just as much outcry? I think any approach that caused a material change in the game to balance things out would've been met with as much resistance, even some of the alternatives that are being discussed now.
The Rook RJO was wildly successful, a little too much maybe.
Well I guess I don't think that all people in Rookland are heathens.... and would like to think that if the situation was presented to the Squad COs, that some would be willing to work the issue with their squads and you'd see voluntary movement. Salesman for the effort where the rubber meets the road so to speak.
Persuasion and salemanship instead of a forced solution.
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Here's another thought, 4510 -- wouldn't the people who have the most interest, adn the most articulate involvement in the game, be the best resource for exploring changes?
I mean, who needs several hundred variants of "that sucks" and "that rocks"? realistically, that's what you'd be getting with the mass email idea. Just look at what the text buffer was like right after the update -- not exactly "Meet the Press" quality exchanges there....
It jsut makes sense to use the BBS the way HT has. And give the guy major credit, 4510 -- how many game designers run this kind of forum, listen to the feedback proactively, remain willing to change direction based on players' suggestions, and EVEN BE PRESENT ONLINE FOR A COUPLE HOURS DURING THE INEVITABLE WHINE FEST when the changes kick in? HT's dedication to the customer base seemed almost masochistic Friday.
And you're whining because he didnt do more? Give me a break.
I dare you to suggest that you know how to do things better -- and if you think you do, stop complaining about AH and go develop your superior product.
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Originally posted by Shane
i don't call any planes "gurl planes." i don't denigrate anyone's plane choice, only the weak-arsed way they fly them.
;)
LIAR!:D
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Originally posted by 4510
Well I guess I don't think that all people in Rookland are heathens.... and would like to think that if the situation was presented to the Squad COs, that some would be willing to work the issue with their squads and you'd see voluntary movement. Salesman for the effort where the rubber meets the road so to speak.
Persuasion and salemanship instead of a forced solution.
Doubt it, why would they? What squads have switched with the new solution? Ever tried to move a squad from one country to another country? Pretty tough, causes lots of problems, plus I think a lot of squad CO's will tell ya for the most part it's not a monarchy, the king says move so we move. Really good way to rip up your squad.
Just to try out your theory, why don't you guys come knit for a while or even bish? Any discussion going on in your squad to do such, to help things out?
I really believe that the ultimate effect of this will just be to get some of the more occasional flyers to get good in more difficult planes. Has there been much side switching by anyone? I still see the same names in the same places, it seems like.
PS, never said anything about heathens.
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Originally posted by kj714
Just to try out your theory, why don't you guys come knit for a while or even bish? Any discussion going on in your squad to do such, to help things out?
Usually people use the term "country" when talking about the sides but I really think a more accurate term would be "team". I personally have a problem with turning my guns on the guys I consider part of my "team" and who I normally fly with night after night. It has nothing to do with chess pieces or even country loyalty. I think it has more to do with my lifetime of programming and exposure to organized sports where you are expected to show loyalty to your "team". The technology needed to write code to patch human social behaviour is just not available at this time.
PS, never said anything about heathens.
Well... if the Knits and Bishs don't have live sheep sacrifices then for sure count me out.
-Buzzz
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so you've never played any sort of pick-up game or other adversarial game with your friends? you've been structured and regimented all your life?
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Originally posted by Simaril
I mean, who needs several hundred variants of "that sucks" and "that rocks"? realistically, that's what you'd be getting with the mass email idea. Just look at what the text buffer was like right after the update -- not exactly "Meet the Press" quality exchanges there....
Would we be better having that discussion BEFORE the change was made or after?
And you're whining because he didnt do more? Give me a break.
Is every opinion that doesn't jive with someone else's whining? That word seems horribly overused on this BBS.
I dare you to suggest that you know how to do things better -- and if you think you do, stop complaining about AH and go develop your superior product.
Designing a game.... I have no chance. Well... I won't go that far. I might be able to pull off a game design... speaking purely of... mechanics... game play etc. I don't know if it would be better or not. I mean except for the Perks and Reset.... this game doesn't differ markedly from AW. Same basic premise, same three country model, field capture, etc. Certainly far better execution in the varieties of planes and choices etc. (geez you got me thinking too hard) So yeah... I might be able to pull off a game design. Coding... nope.... no chance... don't know the first thing about it but to stay away from it.
As for managing the player base... or presenting ideas... or ways to deal with people. I'm comfortable enough to think I could do as well or better. (since you asked) Of course I've no way to prove that, since I don't have an online game to prove it with. I've over 20 years experience dealing with managing people and efforts at multiple levels in pleasant and adverse environments and producing outstanding results when a LOT more was at stake than an online flight sim. So yeah... I'd be willing to give it a shot.
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Good points... but if you are making a major change... wouldn't it be a nice "personal touch" to send something directly each subscriber that describes the situation, what is at stake and seek input? EVEN if the player was directed to the appropriate portion of the BBS to participate in the process.
4510,
Yes, I would agree with you on that.
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Re: chew on the tards
I believe the more appropriate term that should be used is
'scat muncher':lol
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I notice ole droolgoon or dragqueen or whatever the author of this post name is/was, hasn't been around lately....... Gee- I wonder why?
I'd also like to point out that after all the bichin I did over the numbers imbalance, & with the new ENY change, I still have been able to fly any plane I want, any time I wanted .
A_Clown
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Dragoon...........
"the strike they was talking about had nothing to do with your lame attempt at a laugh. they are talking about not playing, quitting and simply screwing with the system to make it hell on those who started this whining schitt."
I would tread lightly here.That could be taken as a threat against the game.A few of those comments and you wont have plane ONE to fly.
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Originally posted by 4510
But why is this step necessary?
Why did HTC suddenly say.... "Gee I MUST do something to level numbers"?
Well MABY its because for the first time this hasnt sorted itself out.And more people are headed to rook more likely than not.
Its OBVIOUS to anyone with a clue that the situation in MA has totally stagnated and some form of change has to be forced.I for one think its going to have the end result of evening things out.With the proper community this would have never happened.Seems its more all about "Me" than making small sacrifices for the betterment of the entire game.I dont get you guys.
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Originally posted by dragoon
the strike mentioned was not a picket toting computer jockey. they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
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This was the one that really blew me away, however I know many of the members of the Shiznot squad, so I doubt it's a truthful statement, even though Dragoon is the CO.
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Originally posted by A_Clown
I notice ole droolgoon or dragqueen or whatever the author of this post name is/was, hasn't been around lately....... Gee- I wonder why?
I'd also like to point out that after all the bichin I did over the numbers imbalance, & with the new ENY change, I still have been able to fly any plane I want, any time I wanted .
A_Clown
this wont get read on the end of page 3, better move it to the top part of page 4. Bubye Dragoon --(sarcastic wave)
A_Clown
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Originally posted by DrDea
Seems its more all about "Me" than making small sacrifices for the betterment of the entire game.I dont get you guys.
Well "ME" is a matter of perspective.
I am not opposed to levelling.... if in fact it is really a necessity.
A person's perception of numbers imbalance isn't the same as fact. The only numbers presented here (snap shots) from film captures don't support the necessity to take action to force a levelling.
But even accepting that we should level the numbers, doesn't mean I agree with our current method.
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Originally posted by kj714
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Originally posted by dragoon
the strike mentioned was not a picket toting computer jockey. they are talking about throwing a cog in the system and i bet yall be laughing when that happens i bet yall be whining.
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This was the one that really blew me away, however I know many of the members of the Shiznot squad, so I doubt it's a truthful statement, even though Dragoon is the CO.
whatever kj. was an annoyed retort to a flamer. and let me be the first to tell you kj...theres a few shiznots who "dont care much for him(kj)when we flew together in the airaiders."
screwing the system was brought up by someone i dont remember who. would have been funny though. mass transit of players to another side for the sole purpose of limiting their planeset. but there again it was offered up cause of flamers.
now, not once have i posted anything disrespectful to you since HTC posted forum rules. and i quote
"4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated."
this is the same thing as calling me a liar which is disrespectful. you will not goad me into a fight. by not reporting you i am violating rule number 6
"6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com."
please stop and it goes no further
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