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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hyrax81st on August 13, 2004, 10:28:09 PM
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Congrats !
Rook Joint Ops stalled tonight. We only had a modest 30 player superiority over the country with the least numbers - but that was enough to kick in the ENY over 6 on several occasions which caused us to not be able to up a critical plane. No, I'm not talking about the P51-D...
We couldn't defend our HQ from high level bombers because we couldn't up 163s or 262s from the base to intercept. Numbers and planes didn't cause us to lose radar. The 163 being 5 ENY caused us to lose radar (with no exception being made for that particular defensive ride).
Also, collision is now an offensive weapon again. I can be rammed successfully by a defender who has no shooting skills but can end my flight before arriving at target. At least make it so that two planes who collide both die. A squaddie got rammed and lost a wing but the rammer flew on with no apparent damage.
Yawn... I am underwhelmed.
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Congrats !
Rook Joint Ops stalled tonight. We only had a modest 30 player superiority over the country with the least numbers - but that was enough to kick in the ENY over 6 on several occasions which caused us to not be able to up a critical plane. No, I'm not talking about the P51-D...
We couldn't defend our HQ from high level bombers because we couldn't up 163s or 262s from the base to intercept. Numbers and planes
No dar! WAAAAAAA:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
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WE outnumbered :( WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAA WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Congrats !
Yawn... I am underwhelmed.
Ummm I gloated a bit about rooks not having DAR
because 1/2 the time knights have no DAR.
But after considering it a bit.....
They should let yall have the 163 for HQ defence no matter how
skewed the numbers are. Maybe not the 262, its got to long a range and its used for more than HQ defence.
But you SHOULD be able to mount a HQ defence.
I bet HTC will change this as they said they were reviewing
it after a few days.... :cool:
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G10 with gondalas weps up to 20k in about about 7 mins if I recall.
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Ummm I gloated a bit about rooks not having DAR
because 1/2 the time knights have no DAR.
But after considering it a bit.....
They should let yall have the 163 for HQ defence no matter how
skewed the numbers are. Maybe not the 262, its got to long a range and its used for more than HQ defence.
But you SHOULD be able to mount a HQ defence.
I bet HTC will change this as they said they were reviewing
it after a few days.... :cool:
Thanks for a reasoned response, X2Lee. It's obvious that automatic HQ destruction is not what was intended by the latest patch...
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I see the point about the g10, but the 163 is only available at one base as it is.... I think this should be the plane of exception due to that reason. 90% of the time it only has one function and that is HQ defence, since it is used so little, I don't think it should apply to this limiting thing that we have now to appease those who threatened to take their ball and go home.
:D
--Mike/Howitzer
P.S. Sorry, its defense, not defence... not sure what is wrong with me tonight. =)
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I think the 163 should be available at all times. Maybe they can be removed from the restrictions for HQ defense only.
What needs to be stopped is the dweebs hotpadding them to other fields.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
I think the 163 should be available at all times. Maybe they can be removed from the restrictions for HQ defense only.
What needs to be stopped is the dweebs hotpadding them to other fields.
LOL !
People actually spend time DOING this ?!?!
How absurd.
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finding a pair of N1Ks or Spits etc to bait into stall fighting is always worth it.
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I find nothing "dweeby" in hotpadding a 163 to another field. Infact it does reguire some skill. It doesn't take very much time either.
I'm proud to say that I do it from time to time.:D
Edit: And yes, the Me-163 should be excluded from the list of disabled planes.
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Considering 163 had very specific and rare fuel requirements they should not be able to be hotpadded at any field apart form their home one.
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what! me163 rearming im going to have to try this out:D
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Considering 163 had very specific and rare fuel requirements they should not be able to be hotpadded at any field apart form their home one.
I completely agree.
Originally posted by simshell
what! me163 rearming im going to have to try this out:D
It used to be easy to do in AH because you could taxi on the belly skid. In AH2 it's no longer possible. In AH2 you must not drop the gear after take off and land on it. However you cannot exceed 330 IAS without breaking the gear, this is no problem on ferry flights, but in combat it's hard to keep under that speed. The bonus side of AH2 in this issue is that the 163 has wheel brake enabled(obviously a bug)!
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Originally posted by Howitzer
:D --Mike/Howitzer
P.S. Sorry, its defense, not defence... not sure what is wrong with me tonight. =)
Your a little old lady?
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Your a little old lady?
This is where you explain the diff between you're and your:D :D
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The problem here is HQ=Radar for whole country.
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Originally posted by Zanth
The problem here is HQ=Radar for whole country.
This is certainly true...
Can someone explain how the loss of HQ disables ship radar?! LOLOLOL Must be an awfully long extension cord!
HQ needs to serve another purpose, such as increasing rebuild time or eliminating it completely at all bases while it is down... Perhaps the loss of BAR-DAR too.
However, local field radar (DOT-DAR) should not be disabled except by local attack. Even fleet radar should remain up, even if only a single destroyer remains afloat as every ship should have SG search radar (these are USN type vessels, after all).
Perhaps HTC can begin eliminating some of the more "gamey" aspects as they improve and add to AH2.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
This is certainly true...
Can someone explain how the loss of HQ disables ship radar?! LOLOLOL Must be an awfully long extension cord!
HQ needs to serve another purpose, such as increasing rebuild time or eliminating it completely at all bases while it is down... Perhaps the loss of BAR-DAR too.
However, local field radar (DOT-DAR) should not be disabled except by local attack. Even fleet radar should remain up, even if only a single destroyer remains afloat as every ship should have SG search radar (these are USN type vessels, after all).
Perhaps HTC can begin eliminating some of the more "gamey" aspects as they improve and add to AH2.
My regards,
Widewing
Yep. I agree. Give HQ another function, or tie it to DAR radar only.
Preach it, brother Widewing!
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Ummm I gloated a bit about rooks not having DAR
because 1/2 the time knights have no DAR.
But after considering it a bit.....
They should let yall have the 163 for HQ defence no matter how
skewed the numbers are. Maybe not the 262, its got to long a range and its used for more than HQ defence.
But you SHOULD be able to mount a HQ defence.
I bet HTC will change this as they said they were reviewing
it after a few days.... :cool:
Still what amazes me... why does a 30 plane advantage compared to ONE country mean a limiting of rides? Why doesn't the equation compare to the COMBINED strength of the other TWO countries?
The whole reason for a 3 country model is to make up for uneven numbers distribution. Just because the two countries that are smaller in number haven't figured it out and work more towards the one larger country until numbers even a bit is no reason to change the game play model. Use the system as it was intended rather than hollering to get it changed.
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Originally posted by 4510
Still what amazes me... why does a 30 plane advantage compared to ONE country mean a limiting of rides? Why doesn't the equation compare to the COMBINED strength of the other TWO countries?
The whole reason for a 3 country model is to make up for uneven numbers distribution. Just because the two countries that are smaller in number haven't figured it out and work more towards the one larger country until numbers even a bit is no reason to change the game play model. Use the system as it was intended rather than hollering to get it changed.
If there is a way to base the limits on how many flyers are over the enemy territory that would be a better way to implement limits
if the numbers are skewed but 2 countries are ganging one it would stand to reason that more red dots of both countries would be in enemy airspace.
that shouldnt be hard to determine in this HiTech game...
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Originally posted by X2Lee
If there is a way to base the limits on how many flyers are over the enemy territory that would be a better way to implement limits
if the numbers are skewed but 2 countries are ganging one it would stand to reason that more red dots of both countries would be in enemy airspace.
that shouldnt be hard to determine in this HiTech game...
Lee.. the three country model was designed so two countries WOULD gang one country. Obviously the hope is the two smaller countries gang the one larger country.
With the arena reset and perk issue.... that was supposed to be the tie breaker. Two countries are ganging one country.. and it is almost reset time... suddenly those two countries have to consider if not actually start fighting each other... because in the end... only ONE can win the reset. That tie breaker is supposed to provide a bit of relief to the ganged upon country.
Why suddenly this doesn't work.... or is perceived to not work.... and we have this abortion of a "fix" put into the mix is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Chortle
G10 with gondalas weps up to 20k in about about 7 mins if I recall.
In a hard climb, maybe, but it won't cover enough ground in that time to intercept a diving B-17.
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True, it's just an example. Point is, with the superior rook teamwork I've read so much about, I find it suprising they cant defend hq with anything less than rockets or jets.
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"Also, collision is now an offensive weapon again. I can be rammed successfully by a defender who has no shooting skills but can end my flight before arriving at target. At least make it so that two planes who collide both die. A squaddie got rammed and lost a wing but the rammer flew on with no apparent damage."
So this new deal affects the collision model?
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Originally posted by Chortle
True, it's just an example. Point is, with the superior rook teamwork I've read so much about, I find it suprising they cant defend hq with anything less than rockets or jets.
Believe it... the nature of the arena is not to climb to nose bleed altitude and wait for something to arrive. It is climb, find fight, fight. It is the climb issue that the jets support better than the prop planes.
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Oh no, waaaaaa, I'm crying so hard, waaaaaaa, I'm blubbering, waaaaaa, waaaaaa. :rolleyes:
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I thought it'd go something like this -
Rook 1 - 2 buff boxes ib hq, 25k
Rooks 2 to 10 - position plz?
Rook 1 - NE, 2 sectors out
Rooks 2 to 10 - cc thx .move (HQ base)
Rooks 2 to 10 - damn, no 163s, nevermind still got time, couple up 109s to intercept harass and report postion, rest up (insert plane of choice) to vector in and destroy!
10 mins later
Rooks 2 to 10 - all buffs dead, hq saved!
Rooks country channel - hurrah!
Instead it seems to be like this -
Rook 1 - 2 buff boxes ib hq, 25k
Rooks 2 to 10 - position plz?
Rook 1 - NE, 2 sectors out
Rooks 2 to 10 - cc thx .move (HQ base)
Rooks 2 to 10 - damn, no 163s, damn you HTC, damn you nit/bish whiners! We're doomed I tells ya, all doooomed!
1 minute later, HTC bbs
You all suck! I hate you all! I'm leaving! (sniffle)
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Originally posted by Chortle
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1 minute later, HTC bbs
You all suck! I hate you all! I'm leaving! (sniffle)
You must have read a different post than what is in this thread.
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Hehe yeah sorry about that, I got carried away by my own bile.
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Easy fix, 163 should be exempt from the restrictions.
Saying that we (Bish) have saved HQ at least twice in the last few hours by getting G10's up early.
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Originally posted by simshell
what! me163 rearming im going to have to try this out:D
Do it on a CV. :D
I wonder exactly how well that skid rolls.
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
Congrats !
Rook Joint Ops stalled tonight. We only had a modest 30 player superiority over the country with the least numbers - but that was enough to kick in the ENY over 6 on several occasions which caused us to not be able to up a critical plane. No, I'm not talking about the P51-D...
We couldn't defend our HQ from high level bombers because we couldn't up 163s or 262s from the base to intercept. Numbers and planes didn't cause us to lose radar. The 163 being 5 ENY caused us to lose radar (with no exception being made for that particular defensive ride).
Also, collision is now an offensive weapon again. I can be rammed successfully by a defender who has no shooting skills but can end my flight before arriving at target. At least make it so that two planes who collide both die. A squaddie got rammed and lost a wing but the rammer flew on with no apparent damage.
Yawn... I am underwhelmed.
109g10s climb fast......
when bombers are incoming, you NORMALY have 10-30minutes warning.....some maps you dont get this, but......
Originally posted by Chortle
I thought it'd go something like this -
Rook 1 - 2 buff boxes ib hq, 25k
Rooks 2 to 10 - position plz?
Rook 1 - NE, 2 sectors out
Rooks 2 to 10 - cc thx .move (HQ base)
Rooks 2 to 10 - damn, no 163s, nevermind still got time, couple up 109s to intercept harass and report postion, rest up (insert plane of choice) to vector in and destroy!
10 mins later
Rooks 2 to 10 - all buffs dead, hq saved!
Rooks country channel - hurrah!
Instead it seems to be like this -
Rook 1 - 2 buff boxes ib hq, 25k
Rooks 2 to 10 - position plz?
Rook 1 - NE, 2 sectors out
Rooks 2 to 10 - cc thx .move (HQ base)
Rooks 2 to 10 - damn, no 163s, damn you HTC, damn you nit/bish whiners! We're doomed I tells ya, all doooomed!
1 minute later, HTC bbs
You all suck! I hate you all! I'm leaving! (sniffle)
nicely put :aok