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Title: The new ram model
Post by: Urchin on August 14, 2004, 12:41:27 AM
Think something might be a little off on it, seems like it went a little far in the other direction.  I bounced some AFK hurricane, shot him, (didn't kill him), flew past his plane by what appeared to be a very safe margin, and lost my wingtip on that side.

I must have left at least 50 yards clearance between me and him though.  Have to get a couple folks in the DA filming it I guess.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Karnak on August 14, 2004, 12:45:14 AM
I collided more tonight than I ever have before.  I think I lost three or four aircraft to collisions.  I'll have to be a lot more careful.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: 4510 on August 14, 2004, 12:47:42 AM
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Originally posted by Karnak
I collided more tonight than I ever have before.  I think I lost three or four aircraft to collisions.  I'll have to be a lot more careful.


Guess I've not had the chance to flyu under the new RAM Model.
What is this ?
Title: The new ram model
Post by: dtango on August 14, 2004, 12:54:17 AM
Had the same happen to me.  Smacked into a 110 when I thought I was clear to his right.  Didn't film it though to check.  Squaddies had similar issues tonight.  Many collisions.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Mathman on August 14, 2004, 12:55:49 AM
The collision model does seem to be a lot more "sensitive" or whatever the right word for it is.  If it is changed closer to what it was before, great.  If it stays the same I will adapt.  It is a bit frustrating right now though.  Oh well.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: SunKing on August 14, 2004, 01:15:34 AM
I agree something's up. Hit a gv 3 times straffing it, , collision distances seem further.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: 4510 on August 14, 2004, 01:17:10 AM
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Originally posted by Mathman
The collision model does seem to be a lot more "sensitive" or whatever the right word for it is.  If it is changed closer to what it was before, great.  If it stays the same I will adapt.  It is a bit frustrating right now though.  Oh well.


Certainly what we need to do... make the gunnery model harder which begets close in tight to hit... so we make the collision model more sensitive to discourage closing in tight so the gunnery model can make kills more difficult ...encouraging firing at a closer range ... which means more collisions which means....:rolleyes:
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Hyrax81st on August 14, 2004, 01:18:52 AM
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Originally posted by 4510
Certainly what we need to do... make the gunnery model harder which begets close in tight to hit... so we make the collision model more sensitive to discourage closing in tight so the gunnery model can make kills more difficult ...encouraging firing at a closer range ... which means more collisions which means....:rolleyes:



LOL !!!

What scares me is that I understood this on the first reading...

... definitely time to log.

:rofl
Title: The new ram model
Post by: dtango on August 14, 2004, 03:32:55 PM
punt

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: The new ram model
Post by: dtango on August 14, 2004, 04:32:20 PM
Got snapshots from a single film loop.  Looks like there is a problem to me.  Thread posted in the bug forum.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127142&referrerid=3699

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Urchin on August 14, 2004, 04:40:14 PM
I'm definately thinking somethings wrong with it.  Its almost like get within 50 yards of a guy and .. oops... you just rammed him.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: ZZ3 on August 14, 2004, 04:49:54 PM
Tango im looking at it, and obviously something is wrong, as I have stated in the MA. Ofcourse all they do is ridicule you if you have a different opinion of anything.
Now my question with regard to the picture is this. Does this collision model use a hit BUBBLE, or a hit SHELL? To me, it looks like a hit bubble that is too large. IE protruding from the planes outter edge. Is this possible???
HT did you make a mistake? Please fix it if there is one.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Xargos on August 14, 2004, 04:58:30 PM
Tango, that looks anywhere from 4 to 5 feet between wingtips.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Karnak on August 14, 2004, 05:04:29 PM
It is definately detecting collisions that aren't collisions.  I was testing offline and was breaking the engine when I was still clearly behind the enemy.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Fauxbra on August 14, 2004, 09:32:23 PM
Seems like it is easier to ram a plane than it is to hit it with Bullets....that cant be right.
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Zanth on August 14, 2004, 09:43:44 PM
I fooled around with this a lot tonight, something is broken.   I am good enough now with to say "watch this!".  


Some guys in fighters are getting savy with it as a defensive,  They do a dip in a sort of fishhook as you close- boom you dead.

If you can't link computer players to within at maximum a 5' or 10' tollerance max (hell that is the size of a bedroom) hitech, nor anyone else, can do this in a way that works.

Until then, this was better before it was fixed.

edit:  As I think of it more 10' is way to generous a tollerance ,
Title: The new ram model
Post by: dtango on August 14, 2004, 11:48:39 PM
Had another collision I caught on film tonight.  Updated the thread in the bug forum with the snapshots.  This set of pics looks like a 15-20 ft separation still registering as a collision.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Regular on August 15, 2004, 12:47:52 AM
ummm....fly sober.:cool:
Title: The new ram model
Post by: rpm on August 15, 2004, 03:59:36 AM
Yeah, it's a bit touchy. I couldn't help but LMAO at the Rook Yak that ventured in a little too close to my unarmed Lancaster...chop throttle and KABOOM!:rofl
Title: The new ram model
Post by: Manedew on August 15, 2004, 09:27:20 AM
ya collisions seem porked .... had few encounters with new ram model .. only one felt right.....

one that sticks out as wrong .... was flyign a 262, I shoot a plane down .. supposedly this plane rams me as I fly by takeing an airleion my engine oil and my elevator...... seems a bit odd too me

a. i think i missed him

b. what kind of damage is that for a collision?

defedently needs work IMHO

maybe I should have lost wingtip .. at least I might have belived that... I don't even belive I hit the plane .. I can't belive the damage it caused....
Title: The new ram model
Post by: killnu on August 15, 2004, 09:33:22 AM
no the feeling mane, i killed a 110, his tail pops up, as i fly over(yes over) the 110 falling to earth, and my tail(flying 38) comes flying off.  that is a bit much, even if i did hit the tail(debris), would it really take the whole tail section off 38?  it would of came up from underneath my plane, just not right.
~S~