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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on August 14, 2004, 08:03:44 AM
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HT.. I'll admit that the only reason I care about your new side balancing idea is because I fly the P-51D all the time. If it is disabled, then I have to start jumping countries to fly it.
May I suggest, that rather than disabling said aircraft, how about turn them into perk planes?
Using the same code that would trigger the planes to be disabled, just turn on perk values for them at a reasonable starting price - in the range of the F4U-C.
Of course then, if the number disparity becomes greater, the price for the perks goes higher, as it does with all other perk planes currently.
I think by this means, you will effectively accomplish the same thing because people can switch sides to fly them for free, but dedicated squads or players that only fly a certain aircraft won't have to switch countries if they are willing to pay the perk price.
How about it?
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sounds reasonable... but i havent played the new patch yet
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Yep, seems like good idea
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Sounds fine to me. Enable this for all players except for dragoon.
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I agree.
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how times do i have to say it. perks will do nonthing make more alt monkies that are timid. they will fail in the long run cuz you have people with huge bank rolls of perks.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
how times do i have to say it. perks will do nonthing make more alt monkies that are timid. they will fail in the long run cuz you have people with huge bank rolls of perks.
.. and you are who?
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I agree, but I disagree with you suggested start price. It needs to be painful. Set the start price at 50 or 100 as each unit gets perked, and work up from there. I was thinking 20 last night, but after further consideration I don't think 20 is enough. 10 is certainly not enough and would have essentially no effect.
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Originally posted by detch01
.. and you are who?
someone who knows perks will fail because as you can see, the perk multiplyer failed.
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Finally, perks would be worth using. I fly the F4U-C quite a bit because it is in the 10-20 range. I never fly the 262 because I never have enough perks to get it (and don't have the skills to fly it anyway, as a result). I never fly the Spit XIV when I can fly the Tempest - and I am very, very careful with the Tempest because I only have 150-200 fighter perks at any point in time anyway.
20-30 perks (to start) for an ENY disabled plane is about right to entice me to use it and not make it out of reach for my perk bank. The primary reason I have relatively few fighter perks (compared to some) is because I DO use them a lot for the C-Hog.
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This would be essentially the perk modifer re-hashed.
Didn't really work 1st time no reason to see why it would work now.
In addition you will hurt the newbs the most who haven't got the perks to spend. Result, new guy on 2 week freebie decides not to subscribe. Yes he could change sides to get them, but then as most people seem to want to stay certain country, why should he.
Seems like another we want our advantage and we want to keep it discussion.
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Midnight...
I do appreciate your concerns. But, what you are suggesting would kind of defeat what HT is trying to accomplish....wouldn't it?
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Originally posted by Kev367th
This would be essentially the perk modifer re-hashed.
Didn't really work 1st time no reason to see why it would work now.
In addition you will hurt the newbs the most who haven't got the perks to spend. Result, new guy on 2 week freebie decides not to subscribe. Yes he could change sides to get them, but then as most people seem to want to stay certain country, why should he.
Seems like another we want our advantage and we want to keep it discussion.
Kev, all other things be equal. Wouldn't you WANT the new guy to join up with the country that has the fewer numbers ? (i.e. more affordable planes). As it is now, the new guy may feel obliged to join the country that has the numbers so that he can survive his first two weeks (to some extent). If the ENY disabled planes of the more populous country are not available anyway (Spit 5 at 15ENY, N1K at 7ENY, LA7 at 5ENY as typical newbie planes) then the new guy is not going to get into a plane that gives him a "learners" flight experience. New guys will now be funneled into 109's, 190's, P47's.
How does that serve the newbie as it stands now ?
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reset everbodys perks simple
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Midnight...
I do appreciate your concerns. But, what you are suggesting would kind of defeat what HT is trying to accomplish....wouldn't it?
I thing you make a great point NoBaddy. We just don't know yet whether ENY disabled planes are going to "balance numbers" in the MA. The stats aren't in yet. We don't know enough yet to say whether this solution is going to "fix" an imbalance problem.
Outside factors are going to impact these stats, though. School is starting for many of the players in here and numbers are going to continue to change (at least for certain periods of the day) for two more weeks still before they settle down again.
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Kweassa suggested perking the big 4 or 6 (a long time ago) and was met by on the whole howls of derision. Funny how times change.
Reset peoples perks - I can just imagine how that would go down,lol.
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Open Letter to Hitech
I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
LET ME MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I REFUSE TO PAY YOU ANY MORE MONEY UNTIL I CAN FLY THE PLANES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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reset everbodys perks simple
I agree somewhat to this. I think resetting perks each camp would be good except I would start everyone out with for example 100 perks. I disagree with the disableing of the planes. I also feel the community should fix the numbers problem, Not HT. Jumping to another country to help even sides is fine, but then if the country I jump to, to help out or get to fly a certain plane becomes the country with numbers then once again I am not allowed to fly any plane I want. If you could change sides as often as you like then I wouldn't have a problem with disableing or raising perk prices or any other method you come up with. I am sure some will say that if you can constantly change sides that Spies will be jumping back and forth, That is probably true. So after further thought to slow this, maybe make it so your change time is an Hour or 2. 12 to 24 is way to long a period if the reason I am country jumping is to either help them or because one wants to fly a certain plane that is unavailable. Not sure there is a perfect solution to this problem. Which to me about the only time I really see a Bad numbers problem is on Sunday nites. But that is just my opinion.
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Thought the country change was now down to 6hrs?
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Well done banner SFCHONDO.
You make it ??
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Kev if that's correct, thanks for the info. I was under the impression it was 12 or 24 hrs.
Thanks NoPoop, Yes; I made my Sig.
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Originally posted by Midnight
HT.. I'll admit that the only reason I care about your new side balancing idea is because I fly the P-51D all the time. If it is disabled, then I have to start jumping countries to fly it.
May I suggest, that rather than disabling said aircraft, how about turn them into perk planes?
Using the same code that would trigger the planes to be disabled, just turn on perk values for them at a reasonable starting price - in the range of the F4U-C.
Of course then, if the number disparity becomes greater, the price for the perks goes higher, as it does with all other perk planes currently.
I think by this means, you will effectively accomplish the same thing because people can switch sides to fly them for free, but dedicated squads or players that only fly a certain aircraft won't have to switch countries if they are willing to pay the perk price.
How about it?
it kinda wont work tho, because right now, its easy to earn perks but hard to lose them... if ALL planes had a perked value expect the 60-35 range, then it will be better imo......Each time you loose a P51D/La7/Nik it SHOULD hurt you, or/and your country..... afterall everything costs something right? And even with a small perk value, once the numbers get OTT you end up with really expensive planes, forcing most people to fly older planes, or they risk there points. This means that when they are down on numbers they might try earning more perks, moving AH from the 1945 arena we have now, to maybe 1942/3? = more fun?
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
someone who knows perks will fail because as you can see, the perk multiplyer failed.
the perk multiplyer has failed because theres no "fave" planes perked, so its easy to have a massive perk point balance.
if all planes was perked in some way then the perk multiplyer would work......
lets say at default a 262 is 200, and we make a P51 60perks... If rooks get there 100 player advantage, and there 262 now costs 400, and there p51 costs 120, do you think people are going to fly it?
yes while there massive perk bank is full, and at least they have the choice compaired to the new system. but it will cost them if they loose it, meaning they have to do 2 or 3 109F4 sorties (just an example) before they can fly it again.
perks need to be USED more to make the perk multiplyer work
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Originally posted by Hyrax81st
I thing you make a great point NoBaddy. We just don't know yet whether ENY disabled planes are going to "balance numbers" in the MA. The stats aren't in yet. We don't know enough yet to say whether this solution is going to "fix" an imbalance problem.
Outside factors are going to impact these stats, though. School is starting for many of the players in here and numbers are going to continue to change (at least for certain periods of the day) for two more weeks still before they settle down again.
Heck, I have tried to point out to numerous complainers that the code was not even a day old and asked that they give it a chance...to no avail :(.
Sorry, but, school will be back in for all 3 countries and not for just one. It shouldn't make any difference (unless you subscribe to Zazen's contention that all the bish are juveniles :D).
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Salute ALL
Wow are things that bad in the Bish And Knight camps that we have to restrict aircraft flown by paying customers I thought we all had the same opportunity to up the same planes ?
I fly the p51D such as Midnight thats all I fly but who cares are the Bish and Knights Not allowed to fly it?
Why have we come to this point I can remember when the Rooks were always out# I have nothing against the Knights or Bish I just joined the Rooks because they were always the underdog seems over time things worked out .
why not wait instead of driving off paying customers?
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Why are people assuming its only affecting Rooks. This afternoon Bish were limited to 16 or higher ENV for quite a while. Solution, I just flew a different aircraft, no biggie. Sooner or later it will affect Knits also.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Why are people assuming its only affecting Rooks. This afternoon Bish were limited to 16 or higher ENV for quite a while. Solution, I just flew a different aircraft, no biggie. Sooner or later it will affect Knits also.
Kev...
It did last night. Had a squaddie asking about it because he couldn't drive his usual pony D. He just chose another plane :).
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Hi NB, it did?
Funny though, the almost lack of whines on ch200 when its Knits or Bish being affected. We just get on with it.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Hi NB, it did?
Funny though, the almost lack of whines on ch200 when its Knits or Bish being affected. We just get on with it.
:D
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Makes no difference to me if HT keeps or gives up this systym cause the guys that fly timid are gonna do it in whatever ride is imposed upon them.
We still see hordes---just different icons.
It's a shame to see so many players getting thier panties in a bunch without giving it a fair chance.
Same time would be a shame to see players leave cause that takes development cash from HTC.
There is no way in Hades that the majority player base will ever be satisfied with the process of evelution that is required to keep the game interesting.
We are rarely fortunate in todays service industry to have the libertys provided by HTC to be involved with delveloping thier product to suit our enjoyment.
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Salute ALL
Wow are things that bad in the Bish And Knight camps that we have to restrict aircraft flown by paying customers I thought we all had the same opportunity to up the same planes ?
Never said you werent affected and rooks were assumed because bish and knights always complain about our #
but I cant help that you have such low # it leaves something to be said about you sides?
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Ironblade - Never said you werent affected and rooks were assumed because bish and knights always complain about our # but I cant help that you have such low # it leaves something to be said about you sides?
Considering that when Rook numbers were low a lot of Knit and Bish squads swapped to help balance out the numbers, and the reverse hasn't happened. What does that say about Rooks?
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Salute All
I guess it says that they stick to there guns or they dance with the ones that brung them...lol
Good Flying hope u get Kills .
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Could be what you said, or it could be said be said they are more than happy with having vastly superior numbers at times with the resulting gangbanging, score whoring that goes along with it. After all easier to hide in a hoard and keep your skin, than fly for an outnumbered country. Don't even think I'll get into Rooks deliberately thinning a cap to try to encourage newbs to try and up so they can vulch more. Yes it did happen few nights ago your attack from A5 - > A4.
Here's the kicker - while we were being modified this afternoon a relative newbie (no offence) LtDecker was getting kills in Spit 1. Whats so funny, they were Rooks.
Hope ya get kills also.
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my 2 cents on this perk idea... I fly the C.205 mostly and will not be affected by disabling or perks unless HTC decides to re-evaluate the C.205 into ENY value of 10.
I think it would work... we have seen it work before with the F4U-1C. It was flown quite a bit until it was perked. It did encourage the players to fly something else.
On the other hand, Perk point multiplier however seemed to work when it was first introduced... but lately it does not seem to have an effect.
But then again, what do we mean by work? Encourage people to change sides or fly a low ENY value plane (and thereby lowering the offensive capabilities)? These two are a bit different imho.
What we are trying to do is encourage people to change sides. Like Nobaddy mentioned, the perk cost idea will not achieve this purpose (although I support this idea). Plainly because it does not encourage people to change sides! It will, however, on the long run make it easier for the players on the lower numbers because it will encourage the players on the larger numbers to fly a high ENY value plane. The perk point multiplier failed because the offensive capabilities was not encouraged on the players with lower numbers because people generally do not fly perk planes!
Disabling planes, imho, opinion is not a good idea. Does it really encourage people to change sides? I think it encourages people to log off, therefore it does not really acheive the purpose HTC had in the first place.
Of course, it has only been just a day since this has been implemented... I guess time will tell more...
just my 2 cents
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Originally posted by Midnight
HT.. I'll admit that the only reason I care about your new side balancing idea is because I fly the P-51D all the time. If it is disabled, then I have to start jumping countries to fly it.
May I suggest, that rather than disabling said aircraft, how about turn them into perk planes?
Using the same code that would trigger the planes to be disabled, just turn on perk values for them at a reasonable starting price - in the range of the F4U-C.
Of course then, if the number disparity becomes greater, the price for the perks goes higher, as it does with all other perk planes currently.
I think by this means, you will effectively accomplish the same thing because people can switch sides to fly them for free, but dedicated squads or players that only fly a certain aircraft won't have to switch countries if they are willing to pay the perk price.
How about it?
Yea, what he said.
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What we are trying to do is encourage people to change sides. Like Nobaddy mentioned, the perk cost idea will not achieve this purpose (although I support this idea). Plainly because it does not encourage people to change sides! It will, however, on the long run make it easier for the players on the lower numbers because it will encourage the players on the larger numbers to fly a high ENY value plane. The perk point multiplier failed because the offensive capabilities was not encouraged on the players with lower numbers because people generally do not fly perk planes!
Unfortuneately apart from restricting their ability to have them, nothing will encourage the higher numbered country to fly higher ENV planes. The perk multiplier was supposed to help the outnumbered side and it didn't work. People seemed to be more than happy getting 1-2 perks a sortie (e.g. only) on a higher numbered side with low ENV planes than getting more perks flying lower ENV plane. Been watching MA numbers today and overall it has been pretty even throughout the day with the occassional spike for all 3 countries.
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The perk point system is like medicine, if you don't take the full dosage it does you no good. The perk system has not come close to what it is capable of. Therefore all planes should be perked based on numbers. If all countries have even numbers then rides like the L-Gay7, Nooki & pony should be free. If a country has to many players then all rides should cost.
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Salute All
Hey Kev you have made some good points but as for me I have been here for a while I started flying the P51d because it was my favorite plane and it wasnt a perk plane I joined a squad that was a historic 51 squad I love to fly the jabo hate the Furbal!
have made many friends over the years that fly rooks and dont want to switch sides all this has done is make it harder on an average pilot guy like myself and im not about the gangbang which ive seen from all 3 countries just sticking to my squadies and wingman like I said nothing against bish or knights I just dont know why you cant draw the #'s it has always seemed pretty even to me except on sundays but the #s werent that out of perportion which is my squad night stay up as late as i can and dont remember the last time I got perks for winning the war.
And of course I was looking for a new sim when AW went away and found this one if it gets bad ill find another.
But good luck and happy hunting hope this works out:}