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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bammer4 on August 14, 2004, 05:04:09 PM
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Open Letter to Hitech
I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
LET ME MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I REFUSE TO PAY YOU ANY MORE MONEY UNTIL I CAN FLY THE PLANES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm Bish and yes we were getting the limitaiton. Don't see the problem with planes, plenty more to choose from. Didn't see the 32 log off, in fact up till few minutes ago we still had a large number advantage and it has been fairly constant advantage over the last 4 -5 hours.
Note my post only 10 mins or so after yours.
Majority of Bish on local were happy enough with latest change and willing just to suck it up until numbers swing again.
You should be looking forward to Sunday if the Rooks go ahead with their usual RJO.
In fact you pay your $15 for access to the game, not to be able to fly a specific aircraft.
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Bye:rolleyes:
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Geez with the spamtard stuff. Did you actually make it past the free two weeks? How far past? :D
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You can tell he's weeeely weeely mad cuz he's using the cap key thing..
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I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
C'mon now........I emplore you to stay loged on, Knights are constantly gettin rolled over by the hordes, and if enough of you guys quit, I won't be able to fly the plane I like! (LOL) I've heard countless tales of the Bish & Rooks "superior tactical stratagies" & "skills", but they usually ammount to nothing more than a Horde vulching the he!! out of a base. If I'm wrong, then all will be the same except the planes that I get vulched by. To all "worthy" adversaries that fly Bish/Rook (and you know who you are). to the rest:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Geez with the spamtard stuff. Did you actually make it past the free two weeks? How far past? :D
Don't encourage a response....Just let em go:rolleyes:
Bye Blammer:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Open Letter to Hitech
I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
LET ME MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I REFUSE TO PAY YOU ANY MORE MONEY UNTIL I CAN FLY THE PLANES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
learn to fly a another plane
too many people fly Ezmode fighters as it is. it might make you more skilled if you fly a 30eny plane......
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Originally posted by RedTop
Bye:rolleyes:
Love seeing the typical AH2 player response, this is just what HTC needs. Think about it, just keep givin' um the "see ya" and maybe shortly you'll have a good 30-40 players per side then ya won't have to worry about all this limited plane stuff & hordes.
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Bah Bammer4!
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Originally posted by MOIL
Love seeing the typical AH2 player response, this is just what HTC needs. Think about it, just keep givin' um the "see ya" and maybe shortly you'll have a good 30-40 players per side then ya won't have to worry about all this limited plane stuff & hordes.
How come you don't go away? You said you would.
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HTC has an e-mail adress that you can use for these things. its a faster and more effective way to delete your account then trying to "force" them to change things by using the BBS.
If you were serious about leaving that is...
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Originally posted by MOIL
Love seeing the typical AH2 player response, this is just what HTC needs. Think about it, just keep givin' um the "see ya" and maybe shortly you'll have a good 30-40 players per side then ya won't have to worry about all this limited plane stuff & hordes.
Im not typical...thats the first thing. This new system has been in place not even 24 hours yet. And people are ready to jump ship cause they cant fly "Their Plane". Well I didn't hit the lottery Wednesday either. So I'm not playing. I didn't get to play with a squaddie that has been gone a couple months enuff either. So the Heak with it I quit my job.
So many just ready to cash in and go play someplace else...SO..Lemme be a good doorman and open it for em:lol
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dont let the door hit you on the way out.
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I'm always outraged my 50 cents a day doesn't entitle me to a first class trans-atlantic trip to the con every year. It makes me mad just thinking about it.
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"Im not typical...thats the first thing. This new system has been in place not even 24 hours yet. And people are ready to jump ship cause they cant fly "Their Plane". Well I didn't hit the lottery Wednesday either. So I'm not playing. I didn't get to play with a squaddie that has been gone a couple months enuff either. So the Heak with it I quit my job.
So many just ready to cash in and go play someplace else...SO..Lemme be a good doorman and open it for em
Your missing the whole point. Go back to kicking um out the door.
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Originally posted by Chortle
I'm always outraged my 50 cents a day doesn't entitle me to a first class trans-atlantic trip to the con every year. It makes me mad just thinking about it.
LOL...Hiya Chortle:D
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lol hi RedTop :) Hope your being kinder to these guys in the MA, a lot of em seem pretty uptight ;)
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Bummer Bammer4, thats bad you bailed before beating the badguys. Buh bye.
News flash! There are other planes in the hanger besides the P51/La7/Spit9/Niki.
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Originally posted by Chortle
lol hi RedTop :) Hope your being kinder to these guys in the MA, a lot of em seem pretty uptight ;)
Ahh yeah..Im always nice to folks in the MA..I give em a NICE BIG target to kill repeatedly. Even if they arent in "Their Plane"
I have a saying....
Build a bridge and get over it.
If I can do it..anyone can. Besides...If my ride gets perked or taken away from me for a few minutes or couple of hours... I can ALWAYS fly a Spit I. hehehehehehe:lol
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Hitech is responding to the complaint from many Bish/Knits of the extremely irritating habit that the Rooks have of having multiple squads using Sunday as their squad nite.
So freakin' what? We get 60 point 262's those nites.
I see their equalizing answer as just a bad way of making a level playing field. Missions cannot be planned and there is no way to play consistantly with this new system.
It is a very bad answer and extreme overkill to take the enjoyment of the game away from everybody just because a few more people might show up at any time.
This ain't daddy's credit card. It is mine and there are other games I can use it to play on.
I will not continue paying if this equalizing system continues.
BT
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Originally posted by Bammer4
I will not continue paying if this equalizing system continues.
BT
For the record, HiTech has said that the system will remain in place for more than "a few days or weeks" So you might want to keep that in mind.
Maybe take a break until the system is tweaked, and everything evens out a bit.
-Sik c
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Originally posted by Kev367th
You should be looking forward to Sunday if the Rooks go ahead with their usual RJO.
Not that it really matters but just for enlightenment purposes. RJO (Rook Joint Ops) is a planned event that happens about every 3-4 weeks. It switches days as a squad volunteers to lead it and direct it and picks the day it is on.
The latest one was just this friday.
Sometimes it does fall on sundays sometimes it doesn't.
But most Rook squads have their normal squad night on sundays which is why you see the larger numbers (massive numbers that night).
Two are relatively unrelated .. although an RJO also on sunday tends to put out even more numbers.
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I've already sent billing @ Hightech my notice.
I really don't care how many of whose country's players are in the arena at any given time. I don't care who has the advantage. I do care that I pay my money and cannot fly the planes they promised when they took my money.
Simple as that.
BT
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I dunno about being a target RedTop - I still remember that spit/yak fight we had months ago which seemed to last about an hour ;) Fights like that will always keep me coming back no matter what.
mate, have fun :)
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Originally posted by Bammer4
I've already sent billing @ Hightech my notice.
I really don't care how many of whose country's players are in the arena at any given time. I don't care who has the advantage. I do care that I pay my money and cannot fly the planes they promised when they took my money.
Simple as that.
BT
if you had been smart you would have waited to see what the future brings. htc have changed things before youknow
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Guess what Chortle
Neither the Spit nor the Yak were allowed to the Bishes this evening. You won't ever have a fight like that again until this system is changed.
There will almost never be an equal number of players on all three teams at the same time. The odds say that 2/3rds of the time you will be flying inferior planes unless, like today, your countrymen start logging off 30-40 at a time.
Enough people keep logging off enough times because they can have more fun somewhere else and more other gaming alternatives are going to get in the way of spending money here.
I will probably be spending my gaming time in Battlefield Vietnam because of this.
BT
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Hitech is responding to the complaint from many Bish/Knits of the extremely irritating habit that the Rooks have of having multiple squads using Sunday as their squad nite.
So freakin' what? We get 60 point 262's those nites.
I see their equalizing answer as just a bad way of making a level playing field. Missions cannot be planned and there is no way to play consistantly with this new system.
It is a very bad answer and extreme overkill to take the enjoyment of the game away from everybody just because a few more people might show up at any time.
This ain't daddy's credit card. It is mine and there are other games I can use it to play on.
I will not continue paying if this equalizing system continues.
BT
Ok...for the sake of BBS stuff....
Im not missing your point. I understand it perfectly. Your ticked..Came to BBS..Stated youll not pay for this anymore. Ok..Point made. I say again. Bye.
HT I feel fairly sure doesnt want to lose customers at all. I think HT wants to do all he can to increase his bottom line. ANY business would or does. This means that changes have to be made for the greater good at times. Is it going to be what everyone wants? No. Im a knight and despise the thought of my Spit V possibly being on the Disabled list. But ya know what? I can fly anything else available if thats the case. I may not enjoy it as much at that time but I know it will be abck soon. Who knows I may learn a thing or 2.
Coming here stomping your feet and generally acting like "If I cant have it my way I quit" seems a bit over the top. If thats the way ya feel then you would probably be better off playing something else. But before you leave...Think about this. As it has been stated before....
Some Games will make ya start at the bottom and work up. Here you get to start out with the best and sometimes have to change until it becomes available again. Now do you really want to start out and have to fly for an example a ...Spit I when the others your fighting are in the better rides cause they already have the super mega power up points they needed to fly it? You die repeatedly due to it and become frustrated and quit another game?
Why not just ride out the small thunderstorm and see what grows from the rain instead of Running to the basement and hiding because the Winds got up a lil bit. :)
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Originally posted by Chortle
I dunno about being a target RedTop - I still remember that spit/yak fight we had months ago which seemed to last about an hour ;) Fights like that will always keep me coming back no matter what.
mate, have fun :)
That was a great Fight. Geesh it would be great to have those everyday wouldn't it?:)
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Originally posted by Bammer4
I've already sent billing @ Hightech my notice.
I really don't care how many of whose country's players are in the arena at any given time. I don't care who has the advantage. I do care that I pay my money and cannot fly the planes they promised when they took my money.
Simple as that.
BT
I just wanted to let you know what was posted on the subject in case you didn't know.
-Sik
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Originally posted by MOIL
Love seeing the typical AH2 player response, this is just what HTC needs. Think about it, just keep givin' um the "see ya" and maybe shortly you'll have a good 30-40 players per side then ya won't have to worry about all this limited plane stuff & hordes.
Ok Moil,
Maybe this ONE guy is SO valuable we need to beg him to
come back :rolleyes: I mean we don't have nearly enough
weenies pitching hissy fits on 200 or the BBS now, right?
Taking a deep breath and waiting a few minutes to think
your post over doesn't seem like a big hardship to me. Of
course some folks seem to think that threats are a good way
to go. I have vague recollections of some LTAR doing the same
thing a couple weeks ago. I could be wrong, of course.
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Gentlemen...gentlemen..
..please
I want you to take a few minutes out of the give-an-take and re-read probably one of the best whines to come across this board in quite awhile.
It is in three parts granted but it "builds" with each post. Tension rises on each and every post culmanating in the poster QUITING THE GAME !!
EXCEPTIONAL !!
It has all the ingrediants of a whine that might possibly go down in history..
I did have to deduct points for not swearing.
The BEST I've ever laid eyes on !! :aok
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/474_1092528048_whinehi.jpg)
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Funny thing is I'm a Bish and never saw the 30 or so people that bammer claims to have log off. In fact Bish numbers stayed at a pretty consistant level (around 110) until later on in evening. I guess 30 logged off and 30 logged on, lol.
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Why does everyone miss the whole point?
ALL you have to do is switch to knight & hey presto, you have your ride!
Tommorow when rooks are high you can switch back again.
For guys in squadrons that are very active in main, I can see the reluctance.
But everyone else should be helping balance!
Lord knows if knights get that many #'s ahead I'm ready to jump if need be.
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Open Letter to Hitech
I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
LET ME MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I REFUSE TO PAY YOU ANY MORE MONEY UNTIL I CAN FLY THE PLANES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahahahhahhhahahahhhaheeheeee .....:p
Good-bye baby :p
AmReo
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Guess what Chortle
Neither the Spit nor the Yak were allowed to the Bishes this evening. You won't ever have a fight like that again until this system is changed.
Jeez Louise, quit the doom and gloom. Maybe not exactly but the plane type didn't really matter and I'm sure RedTop would say the same. We could have been flying magic carpets, so long as they were armed.
Ghosth, good point. Does seem a bit of an oversight :)
Holy ****ing **** nopoop, man you ****ing crack me up.
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Hi Chortle,
I stopped my account a few months ago, due to personal reasons, but i'll be back one day ( I hope) I'll look forward to a rematch of our f6/205 fight. Dam I wished I'd filmed it
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Looking at your stats, I don't see what you are complaining about.
You have 53 kills in a g10, vs 57 deaths in one (woot! almost 1 to 1)
p-38 you have 53 kills vs 79 deaths
In la7 16 kills vs 25 deaths
Looks like your best ride is the g10.
You have no kills in a p51, niki, yak or any spit.
so, are you whining just for the sake of whining? La7 not near as good a ride as the g10 (per your stats)
You have NOTHING to WHAAA about.
Don't let the door.......
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Originally posted by Chortle
Jeez Louise, quit the doom and gloom. Maybe not exactly but the plane type didn't really matter and I'm sure RedTop would say the same. We could have been flying magic carpets, so long as they were armed.
Ghosth, good point. Does seem a bit of an oversight :)
Holy ****ing **** nopoop, man you ****ing crack me up.
Yes I would agree...Planes made no difference at all. It was mono e mono (sp?) It was one of the best fights I have ever had in AH1 or AH2.
And that is the point really of this entire game to me. I'm not a greneal. Don't want to be. Do I like losing land? No , not really. But then again ya know what? It really doesn't effect my gaming expeirance until I don't have a place to fly from. Then at that point planes make no difference because A) reset is coming soon so the gangbanging will stop in a bit and B) Same as A. LA7's P51D's Nik's Spit IX's don't turn the war one way or another. NUMBERS DO. Thats what this whole trial is.
I for one am a member of the Knights. Most know that. We picked up like 4 , 5 , maybe 6 new squaddies from the rooks. Very good flyers to boot and old timers. We picked up like 5 newbies as well. Know why? Because they see that a change had to happen to help the game. They simply made a choice to help the game and they as well as our squad and the knights benifitted.
Flying whatever and finding a fight like Chortle and I had that time is what makes this the greatest game on the NET. Do I think this was the right approach...Jury is still out...I do know this...
Fun Times are there to be had by ALL if you simply look for it. It's really that simple. May not be the exact fun you wanted for 1 hour...But it beats the HEAK outta every other game IMO. ;)
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Hi FTJR
Good to hear from you mate, hope those reasons aren't too bad, good luck with them whatever they are. That fight was on Mindanoaoaooa, I remember that one well, my sight was about 1 pixel off your 205 for about 3000 feet in that final climb before you turned and put me out of my misery ;) See you soon hopefully.
RedTop thats good work, sounds like your having a blast too. And I agree with what your saying, but in a grouchy, more miserable kind of way :D
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You can fly any plane you want, any time you want. Anyone that told you different was a liar.
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What I love is that people would go to the extreme of quitting the game rather than simply switching sides.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Yes I would agree...Planes made no difference at all. It was mono e mono (sp?) It was one of the best fights I have ever had in AH1 or AH2.
And that is the point really of this entire game to me. I'm not a greneal. Don't want to be. Do I like losing land? No , not really. But then again ya know what? It really doesn't effect my gaming expeirance until I don't have a place to fly from. Then at that point planes make no difference because A) reset is coming soon so the gangbanging will stop in a bit and B) Same as A. LA7's P51D's Nik's Spit IX's don't turn the war one way or another. NUMBERS DO. Thats what this whole trial is.
I for one am a member of the Knights. Most know that. We picked up like 4 , 5 , maybe 6 new squaddies from the rooks. Very good flyers to boot and old timers. We picked up like 5 newbies as well. Know why? Because they see that a change had to happen to help the game. They simply made a choice to help the game and they as well as our squad and the knights benifitted.
Flying whatever and finding a fight like Chortle and I had that time is what makes this the greatest game on the NET. Do I think this was the right approach...Jury is still out...I do know this...
Fun Times are there to be had by ALL if you simply look for it. It's really that simple. May not be the exact fun you wanted for 1 hour...But it beats the HEAK outta every other game IMO. ;)
nice post
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Originally posted by Soulyss
What I love is that people would go to the extreme of quitting the game rather than simply switching sides.
Logic appears to be a weak spot for some.
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Rino:
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Ok Moil,
Maybe this ONE guy is SO valuable we need to beg him to
come back I mean we don't have nearly enough
weenies pitching hissy fits on 200 or the BBS now, right?
Taking a deep breath and waiting a few minutes to think
your post over doesn't seem like a big hardship to me. Of
course some folks seem to think that threats are a good way
to go. I have vague recollections of some LTAR doing the same
thing a couple weeks ago"
There was no "threats", just stated some facts, then in case you haven't noticed...................gon e.
Hey, do what you wan't, call names, poke fun, say "see ya" have post after post after post after freakin post. They've already had squad after squad, player after player leave the game, maybe your right, this guy is no different huh.
Like I said, gettin' better by the minute
P.S.
Also Rino sir,
All the hissy fits on Ch200 is NO different than it was on Ch1 in AH1. As if now with AH2 there's a ton more. All the same whines, accusations, name calling and so on. That will NEVER end until the day you see this on your text buffer.
SYSTEM: You killed an enemy aircraft
or
SYSTEM: You shot down an LA7
or
SYSTEM: You killed an enemy vehicle
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Hey bammer if you are really quiting. And need someone to take your ram and videocard. E-mail me. :D
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Open Letter to Hitech
I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
LET ME MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I REFUSE TO PAY YOU ANY MORE MONEY UNTIL I CAN FLY THE PLANES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice Knowin Ya ..... Bye
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Originally posted by Bammer4
I've already sent billing @ Hightech my notice.
I really don't care how many of whose country's players are in the arena at any given time. I don't care who has the advantage. I do care that I pay my money and cannot fly the planes they promised when they took my money.
Simple as that.
BT
Just to let you know - you are not alone.
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Originally posted by Soulyss
What I love is that people would go to the extreme of quitting the game rather than simply switching sides.
It's about as logical as people on the BBS encouraging them to quit.
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Ahh I see we have a HST fan in our midst. :)
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
It's about as logical as people on the BBS encouraging them to quit.
What they are being encouraged to do is to quit acting like cry babies over a video game.
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What they are being encouraged to do is to quit acting like cry babies over a video game.
Hey Furious - still remember that little scrap we had against 2 spits that both finally fell out of the sky probably because they were loaded down with so much lead from our guns? :D Great fun!
Back to the thread at hand - seriously though folks should learn to separate the noise from the signal. Yeah it's a video game and Bammer is transmitting a lot of noise that's drowning out his signal, but I venture to guess there's some signal to his message that's worth understanding.
Consider the following statistics:
According to the Research Institute of America for the White House Office of Consumer Affairs:
- The average business will hear nothing from 96 percent of unhappy clients. In other words, only 4 percent will bother to complain. So, for every complaint you hear, twenty-four others go unreported.
- 90 percent of dissatisfied clients will not come back or buy again.
- Every dissatisfied client will tell at least nine other people.
- 68 percent of clients who stop doing business with you do so because of company indifference.
- Of the customers who register a complaint, up to 70 percent will do business with the organization again if their complaint is resolved. Up to 95 percent will do business if the problem is resolved quickly.
Folks like Bammer are just the tip of the iceberg.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by jetb123
Hey bammer if you are really quiting. And need someone to take your ram and videocard. E-mail me. :D
lol jet, best response yet
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Originally posted by Zanth
You can fly any plane you want, any time you want. Anyone that told you different was a liar.
Just not with your friends is all.....get used to flying alone.
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Originally posted by mechanic
lol jet, best response yet
LOL hey better to give it to me then let it rott in a box.
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Originally posted by Soulyss
What I love is that people would go to the extreme of quitting the game rather than simply switching sides.
I would rather look at it this way. Some people will refuse to accept a product that doesn't meet their needs. Personally I don't care one bit for the fix. The game play model for how many years has been country unity, cooperative missions (thus the mission generator), land grab oriented and reset focused.
Suddenly numbers is an issue for some.... and we make changes to the arena that are counter to the game play model that AH is designed upon.
There is a solution out there... there always is... to improve the game play... but the one we are trying now certainly isn't it.
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Hitech is responding to the complaint from many Bish/Knits of the extremely irritating habit that the Rooks have of having multiple squads using Sunday as their squad nite.
So freakin' what? We get 60 point 262's those nites. BT
and this is coming from a knight. i used to be a knight and loved the high perk bonus and cheap jets. the rook horde wasnt really a problem. it was the bish and rooks not fighting each other and only fighting the knights. wasnt like that every night though. so im having a hard time understanding this. the la7 was the plane i was taught to fly as a newb. to me flying it is alot more fun than any other plane not perked. already 5 or 6 times i have had to go without. i do fly other planes that i like. i do ok in a dora or mossie or spit tiffy. its just upsetting when ya cant fly your ride that you have been flying for years on demand. i would like to the see this removed in next patch or whatever as would many others. EVERYONE has a favorite ride. just so happens the rides we like are disabled when we really want to fly them. i dont think i jumped the gun other night. cause im already having to do without alot. wouldnt be so bad if it was a once in a while thing.
from what i have read so far in game its prolly gonna iron out before to long in terms of being disabled. its no secret alot of people are upset about it. cantrary to popular belief....im not gonna quit although it does make one mad enough. almost half of my squads reaction was to quit but we all talked it out. i agree fully with ya just dont quit the game....im sure it will go away.
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Originally posted by Furious
What they are being encouraged to do is to quit acting like cry babies over a video game.
From your earlier post in response to MOIL:
How come you don't go away? You said you would.
Please try to be more consistent in the future.
The response I expected to see to a lot of the "whines" was something more along the lines of: "Just give HT a week or so to tweak and tune the system." Instead it's "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and "fly another plane, princess."
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Originally posted by 4510
I would rather look at it this way. Some people will refuse to accept a product that doesn't meet their needs. Personally I don't care one bit for the fix. The game play model for how many years has been country unity, cooperative missions (thus the mission generator), land grab oriented and reset focused.
Suddenly numbers is an issue for some.... and we make changes to the arena that are counter to the game play model that AH is designed upon.
There is a solution out there... there always is... to improve the game play... but the one we are trying now certainly isn't it.
possible solutions?????
add another country
take away the rook country
ask squads to move to different country. (at this point my squad is prepared to move if changed. 30 strong and starting a second squad.)
designate some squads that are always on and number stong to become a floater squad. give them all 20 perks for their floating troubles when numbers are uneven.
the current fix may be working but its not the solution at all. i would like to see HT find another. theres really no point in having the planes in the planeset if you cant fly them when you want. its kinda like playing your favorite RPG game and only being able to play your favorite magic user class at random times of the day. So you pick thief class and get slaughtered.
ok tooo much crown green going to bed.
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Originally posted by dtango
Hey Furious - still remember that little scrap we had against 2 spits that both finally fell out of the sky probably because they were loaded down with so much lead from our guns? :D Great fun!
Back to the thread at hand - seriously though folks should learn to separate the noise from the signal. Yeah it's a video game and Bammer is transmitting a lot of noise that's drowning out his signal, but I venture to guess there's some signal to his message that's worth understanding.
Consider the following statistics:
According to the Research Institute of America for the White House Office of Consumer Affairs:
- The average business will hear nothing from 96 percent of unhappy clients. In other words, only 4 percent will bother to complain. So, for every complaint you hear, twenty-four others go unreported.
- 90 percent of dissatisfied clients will not come back or buy again.
- Every dissatisfied client will tell at least nine other people.
- 68 percent of clients who stop doing business with you do so because of company indifference.
- Of the customers who register a complaint, up to 70 percent will do business with the organization again if their complaint is resolved. Up to 95 percent will do business if the problem is resolved quickly.
Folks like Bammer are just the tip of the iceberg.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs [/B]
What's this? someone else with a brain in their head. No way!
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Guess people didn't realise side balancing would affect "them". :lol
As for the White House stats, in the real world it's much different. 80-90% of the time all you hear are complaints. Most of those are nuisance.
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I agree - $14.95 is for arena access, not to fly a specific plane.
As for changing sides to overcome the limitation, does the minimum 12 hour interval between side switches still exist?
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What's the difference between not flying at all and wasting 5-10min attempting to gain an altitude advantage only to be swarmed by the lopsided numbers?
What are you, blind? You want to your choice plane, but at the sake of the other player's?
Switch countries already, they SAID they're not final on the exact ENY balancing curve, just like every other new system implementation they've made in the past.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Looking at your stats, I don't see what you are complaining about.
You have 53 kills in a g10, vs 57 deaths in one (woot! almost 1 to 1)
p-38 you have 53 kills vs 79 deaths
In la7 16 kills vs 25 deaths
Looks like your best ride is the g10.
You have no kills in a p51, niki, yak or any spit.
so, are you whining just for the sake of whining? La7 not near as good a ride as the g10 (per your stats)
You have NOTHING to WHAAA about.
Yes I do! This new policy is anti squad and anti country loyalty. It is now proving that the only way to fly the preferred planes is to quit your squad, give up your perk points, and change countries. This has already been suggested many times on many threads as the easy solution. It will kill the squad philosophy and cause an every man for himself mentality.
Another solution i see comming would be for the squad leaders to ask the newbee members and less skilled members to log off on squad nites for the good of the squad. That sucks.
So what is left? You log on squad nite and see that your country has too many players. You know that just the fact that you are there is hurting your squad mates and your country. You also know that whatever you do get to fly is going to be out classed, out run, out climbed, out turned, and out shot. So you log off to give your remaining squad mates a chance to have some fun.
And you continue to pay money for this priveledge??
BT
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This new policy is anti squad
no
and anti country loyalty.
non-issue.
It is now proving [...
how?
that the only way to fly the preferred planes is to quit your squad, give up your perk points, and change countries.
false and off topic: change countries, yes - what's the issue? - , quit your squad because? give up your ppoints how?
This has already been suggested many times on many threads as the easy solution. It will kill the squad philosophy and cause an every man for himself mentality.
You probably didn't have a squad philosophy to begin with.
Another solution i see comming would be for the squad leaders to ask the newbee members and less skilled members to log off on squad nites for the good of the squad. That sucks.
same as above.
So what is left? You log on squad nite and see that your country has too many players. You know that just the fact that you are there is hurting your squad mates and your country.
Undue guilt for inexistant problem. Fight on different fronts if you are locked by the country switch limit.
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Originally posted by moot
no
non-issue.
how?
false and off topic: change countries, yes - what's the issue? - , quit your squad because? give up your ppoints how?
You probably didn't have a squad philosophy to begin with.
same as above.
Undue guilt for inexistant problem. Fight on different fronts if you are locked by the country switch limit.
Nice answers Rook.
We'll see how you feel after Rook squad nite tonite. Have fun not being able to defend a single base just because there are too many Rooks logged on. Be sure to count the number of Rooks that leave the game in the first 30 minutes.
Taking a GV to fight with will not make more planes available to your side.
BT
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Originally posted by RedTop
Coming here stomping your feet and generally acting like "If I cant have it my way I quit" seems a bit over the top.
what? never heard the saying the customer is always right?
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Originally posted by dtango
RE-Consider the following statistics:
According to the Research Institute of America for the White House Office of Consumer Affairs:
- The average business will hear nothing from 96 percent of unhappy clients. In other words, only 4 percent will bother to complain. So, for every complaint you hear, twenty-four others go unreported. [/B]
AHII is not "the average business." If anything it's atypical. Hitech and Pyro do go in the arena and ask questions. And the arena is where most feedback happens. I seriously doubt this particular statistic applies. I'd venture over half the complaints seen here on the forum AND in the arena are made over elements that have existed in the game for quite some time yet apparently weren't really enough of an issue for the complaintants to actually unsubscribe over. In other words, it seems there is a percentage of clients in this game who will complain about any little thing that currently "gets their goat" no matter how the game is set up to be played.
Now factor in the positive responses. What percentage do THEY supposedly represent? Bear in mind that these are paying customers, too, that receive no benefit for supporting or praising the decisions of HiTech Creations, Inc. Do such customers represent 5% ... 10% ..... 20% of the satisfied customer base? If it's 4% its at least balancing out because I've seen as much support (or more) of this apparently effective change in the game than I have complaints.
Originally posted by dtango
- 90 percent of dissatisfied clients will not come back or buy again. [/B]
Again .... atypical. I doubt 90 percent of AHII's dissatisfied clients will not come back or buy again. It's not like there's tons of competition out there. I'll venture that many of those who do "leave for greener pastures" end up realizing how silly their reasons were for leaving after experiencing the other side of the fence.
Originally posted by dtango
- Every dissatisfied client will tell at least nine other people. [/B]
What nine other people? Nine other AHII customers? Sure - happenes all the time here on the forums and on open channel in the game. Generally they either get squelched or argued with.
Nine customers of whatever game they jump the fence to? I'm sure that happens alot and ends up not really having a negative impact on HT's customer base. Especially if those same nine people see the complaintant leave and return to AHII in the future.
Nine work associates that think Fred's a nerd for playing online games anyway?
Originally posted by dtango
- 68 percent of clients who stop doing business with you do so because of company indifference. [/B]
HTC has never exhibited indifference. If you'd stop for a second and think about it, this particular patch is once again proof of that.
Originally posted by dtango
- Of the customers who register a complaint, up to 70 percent will do business with the organization again if their complaint is resolved. Up to 95 percent will do business if the problem is resolved quickly.[/B]
And if there really isn't a problem at all, and the customer realizes it, they will probably stop complaining and keep doing business anyhow. If there isn't actually a problem but the customer insists of perceiving that there is one, then that customer may try another business, find out the "problem" is universal (or even may be forced to conclude that the service they had with the previous business was superior) and turn around and sign back up.
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Originally posted by dtango
Folks like Bammer are just the tip of the iceberg.
Or they can be the snow on the mountaintop. *ShruG* :aok
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Originally posted by Bammer4
.... Have fun not being able to defend a single base just because there are too many Rooks logged on.
BT
How does this work then? Bases are only defendable if you have La7s? Makes about as much sense as others saying HQs are defenceless without 262s and 163s.
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In any case, when arguing it, keep in mind the present ENY-balancing is not definitive.
I'm not rook and wouldn't be even if I was.
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Originally posted by Grits
Bummer Bammer4, thats bad you bailed before beating the badguys. Buh bye.
News flash! There are other planes in the hanger besides the P51/La7/Spit9/Niki.
Ya there are others in the hanger , and fly like a wet tard compared to how they were in AH 1 ........
As for "the door hitting me on the way out "....
It all ready did ....................... a week ago
CHECKERS
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I cant wait to do a comeback to AH
with all this whining about not getting uber planes i can only draw the conclusion that the average skill level has gone down since i left :)
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Hi Arlo:
[list=num]
- The statistics were not a critique of HTC'S business.
- Asking questions in the arena = HTC being an atypical business? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. Not sure I agree with that.
- HTC doesn't have any competition? I seriously doubt that's their view.
- In the IT field for every negative experience it takes a 37 positive experiences to overcome the one negative one.
- From my experience in running a service org I'll believe the statistics regarding what a complaint indicates.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Guess what Chortle
Neither the Spit nor the Yak were allowed to the Bishes this evening. You won't ever have a fight like that again until this system is changed.
There will almost never be an equal number of players on all three teams at the same time. The odds say that 2/3rds of the time you will be flying inferior planes unless, like today, your countrymen start logging off 30-40 at a time.
Enough people keep logging off enough times because they can have more fun somewhere else and more other gaming alternatives are going to get in the way of spending money here.
I will probably be spending my gaming time in Battlefield Vietnam because of this.
BT
your $15 gets u the Privilege to access the game, not make your own rules. when u pay u agree to play by HT's rules.
and Plane is not inferior, pilot is
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I think the new patch was a great idea. Seems to make things fair for everyone.
It is amazing to me how much some do complain about a game they claim to love? I myself will complain, but not about the game itself, only a few of its participants.
Seems to me ones like Bammer should either get on with playing or get on with quitting.
People can make the game better by making suggestions and coming forward with new ideas. The "foot stomping" whining in my eyes only makes the game look juvenille.
I am not going to complain or whine about the whining....... I think it best we not give so much attention to the whiners... only gives them the negative attention they seek and the whining continues!
~Birdo
~WILD ACES~ a squad of attraction, not promotion
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I cant wait to do a comeback to AH
with all this whining about not getting uber planes i can only draw the conclusion that the average skill level has gone down since i left :)
Based on what I've seen in my month back, you are indeed correct, sir.
And if the odds are soooooo lopsided "all the time" ... if your 20 people defending a field are being hit by 40 enemy planes. How much better off are you if those 40 attackers are La-5's, Hurri-II's, and Hellcats instead of the better planes? Not much, really - you're still going to get plowed.
Frankly, I think the Rook squadrons are missing out on a great opportunity to really generate some angst in the arena. We know HT will get this working right in under a week. In the meanwhile, why not goof around in lesser planes are really bury the opposition with superior numbers? What was that old cigarette ad from the 60's: "I'd rather fight than switch."
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Originally posted by moot
What's the difference between not flying at all and wasting 5-10min attempting to gain an altitude advantage only to be swarmed by the lopsided numbers?
What are you, blind? You want to your choice plane, but at the sake of the other player's?
Switch countries already, they SAID they're not final on the exact ENY balancing curve, just like every other new system implementation they've made in the past.
Nearly every comment needs to be prefaced with.... "excluding Sundays"... I just haven't seen it where the Rooks (which is what everyone keeps saying) have a numbers advantage over the COMBINED strength of the other two countries. As I've said in countless threads, the three country model was designed so the two underdogs would adjust their efforts so that each devoted enough energy to counter the largest country. If they choose not to do that, shame on them. They have a tool designed specifically to deal with balancing numbers. If they refuse to use it they need to be slapped upside the head with a cold mackeral, not coddled with an "oh poor baby... we'll change the game code to assist you. "
So to whomever you ask "are you blind?" I'd have to turn the question back... the folks that have a numbers balance issue... "are THEY blind?" They can't see how to effectively use the three country model? They need to have code adjusted because they are...
a. blind
b. unwilling
c. incapable
to see and use the three country model correctly?
I
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Hi back
Originally posted by dtango
[list=num]
- The statistics were not a critique of HTC'S business.[/B]
Then what were they?
Originally posted by dtango
- Asking questions in the arena = HTC being an atypical business? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. Not sure I agree with that.[/B]
How so? Not many businesses are actually the passion of their owners. The ones that are would be atypical if your statistic is to be considered typical.
Originally posted by dtango
- HTC doesn't have any competition? I seriously doubt that's their view.[/B]
I didn't say "any." There is not tons of competition for HTC. WWII air combat MMOGs are not as plentiful as you seem to think. Those that exist have quite a few shortcomings when compared to AHII. It's not going to be like MCI versus ATT vesus the local phone company all calling you on a daily basis with deals that undercut their competitor and a chance to switch over for free as well.
Originally posted by dtango
- In the IT field for every negative experience it takes a 37 positive experiences to overcome the one negative one.[/B]
And here there were hundreds of negative comments made daily on open channels about everything from gangbanging to HOing to LA7s to big maps to small maps to ... you name it .... half of which are accompanied by threats to quit or switch or some such. Few of which carry actual weight behind them.
Originally posted by dtango
- From my experience in running a service org I'll believe the statistics regarding what a complaint indicates.
You can believe what you want. I've offered a counter-point that's probably just as valid, if not more so.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
From your earlier post in response to MOIL:
Please try to be more consistent in the future.
The response I expected to see to a lot of the "whines" was something more along the lines of: "Just give HT a week or so to tweak and tune the system." Instead it's "don't let the door hit you on the way out" and "fly another plane, princess."
Well, to me, there is a big difference between someone
intelligently posting their troubles and looking for help here
as opposed to these guys electronically stamping their feet,
crying and acting like a spoiled 2 year old.
Also have never understood the cry for attention "I'm leaving"
bid. The serious ones will just leave, the rest just want someone
to pat them on the head and tell them they will be missed.
As a side note, damn old age kicked your butt Dok. On GEnie
boards you'd have gladly slammed these guys while toothpicking
babies out of your chops ;) Now you're mellow yellow.
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I like this new system just last night the rooks had a few more #'s and this system killed the lala and a few other planes then the #'s evened out and it went back to normal. I personally don't like to fly the lala,109,ect I'm more of an A6M2-FM2 type of guy with a little P51 hit and run on the side as far as fighters go and I fly alot of bombers, so now maybe there will be a bit more variation in the planes I'm fighting against. It gets annoying always havin to try and chase an LA in an FM2 or similar plane hopin that the LA will have the guts to come back and play. Or to be on a bombing run in my B26/KI67 and always have the same hotrod planes jump off the runway and be at = alt in no time blasting away with the big guns, though I must admit I manage to send a good share of em to the ground.
I guess my point is that it will be nice to see some variation in the planes I'm figting against and have some guys get a little more skilled at some other planes.. SO SUCK IT UP GUYS!!! and go shoot somthin down. Besides you get more perks for flyin the underdog planes anyway. :)
P.S. I was just usin the LA as an example for the many (hot rods) and was not just targeting the many fine LA pilots we have in this game.:aok
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Have fun not being able to defend a single base just because there are too many Rooks logged on. Be sure to count the number of Rooks that leave the game in the first 30 minutes.
Taking a GV to fight with will not make more planes available to your side.
BT
Lost me on this as well. I wasn't aware a base became "undefendable" because you couldn't fly a yak, la7, niki, or 'stang. That makes absolutely no sense at all.
Can't fly la7? la5 MUCH better at base defence.
No niki/spit? fly the hurri2c (or 109e/f, c202, zeke etc) they as good or better.
No PonyD? fly a B, or g-10, or typh.
No yak? see above.
Limiting planes SHOULD have no affect what so ever on a countries ability to defend a base, or attack one. I have as of yet to see what all the whining is about. Tried to up a lala this morn, and wasn't able to. Oh well, picked another ride. It's not the PLANE that gives one kills, it's the PILOT. I'll kill 'em no matter WHAT i'm in. Heck, i've recently started takin' the 110 out as a fighter, and smacking around spit's and niki's with it in knife fights.
Again, you are not making a valid point, so please try again to clarify HOW not flying low ENY planes keep you from being able to do ANYTHING in AH?
(also lost me w/ the losing perks. you DO know that you do NOT lose perks when you change countries right???)
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Originally posted by Rino
As a side note, damn old age kicked your butt Dok. On GEnie
boards you'd have gladly slammed these guys while toothpicking
babies out of your chops ;) Now you're mellow yellow.
No ... you are mistaken ... if you really think back my arguments were generally thoughtful and constructive until someone felt they could flame me into submission. And then its time to apply the Thermite enema to the offending dweeb - and keep applying it until there is nothing left but cinders. Trust me, I have an ample supply of Hate (tm) in reserve.
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I can understand how people are upset over this new development. The goal of this game is to have fun. The problem is that everyone is different and has a different idea of what "fun" is to them.
If I understand what Hitech's intention here is... I belive that they are trying to make the game more even for the various sides. The problem is that the arenas are dynamic systems and in a constant state of change... so trying to make things perfectly even is a goal that can not be accomplished under any circumstances. It can't be done.
Limiting fighter plane types will not and can not solve this problem. This is a somewhat social game and after you have made friends on one side it's just natural that you like to hang with your buds. For most, switching sides is not an option. Add to that fact that even if you switch you are still not guaranteed your plane of choice... then jumping countries is not an attractive option.
The argument that limited and ever changing plane choices kill mission planning and pre-planned squad ops is also a valid point. These are both fun activities for players and disrupting them detracts also from the game.
I think the ultimate arugument and deciding factor to this issue is the fact that numbers make a huge advantage for players and plane type only gives a slight advantage. (One pony will never beat 10 P-40s.) It's the quantity of fighters that give the advantage not the quality of them.
I think Hitech's motivation and heart is in the right place but this is not the solution to making sides even.
HOWEVER... if this same system was applied ONLY to bombers, then you might have something. It would limit the offensive potential of the more numerous side by requiring more bomber sorties to take territory.
By requiring more bomber sorties needed to take fields, you are pulling more players out of fighters and putting them in buffs. This would make the numbers more even in fighters.
It's quantity of fighters that will even out the sides not the quality.
-Buzzz
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Originally posted by Buzzz
I think Hitech's motivation and heart is in the right place but this is not the solution to making sides even.
If he would step down off the high horse... and had done a little more culling of ideas from the community.... he'd be a lot further along in realizing results from his motivation.
It's quantity of fighters that will even out the sides not the quality.
-Buzzz
Interesting ideas there Buzzzzz.... however.. amount of of real estate controlled needs to be factored in as well... Just because a country has numbers... they shouldn't be immediately penalized if they are sitting with 4 fields and survival rations. :)
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4510: You are starting to push the limits of acceptible behavior on this board.
HiTech
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means he doesnt want u talkin bout him
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4510: If he would step down off the high horse... and had done a little more culling of ideas from the community.... he'd be a lot further along in realizing results from his motivation.
Wow.
I guess you missed that 475 post thread huh?
RTR
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Why does everyone miss the whole point?
ALL you have to do is switch to knight & hey presto, you have your ride!
Tommorow when rooks are high you can switch back again.
For guys in squadrons that are very active in main, I can see the reluctance.
But everyone else should be helping balance!
Lord knows if knights get that many #'s ahead I'm ready to jump if need be.
Here's the problem I have personally with that, Ghost - the country I settled in with IS my equivalent of a squad. And I don't think I'm alone.
Back when I started here, I tried flying both Nits and Bish. I had fun, no probs. There were people in both countries I knew from AW. Life was gud.
But, soon, I wanted to try perk rides. Rooks at that time were always smallest. So, I went there for that reason.
It turned out that I found more old friends there than elswhere, and made more new ones sooner than I'd done so in either of the other countries. So I decided I'd stay there.
Now, I really don't fly MA that often. I'm pretty much a "shows up for scenarios" player, the MA is just practice. But I do appreciate being able to fly with my buddies when I do show up.
Really and truly, the plane thing isn't that friggin big a deal to me personally. I'd just as soon fly a SpitV as a IX, I can deal with flying whatever. Hell, in scenarios I fly what I'm told - I've even started to learn to drive GVs here for AH scenarios, something I never got into at AW.
But it would piss me off if the current ride I'm assigned in a scenario was unavailable to me in the MA for practice purposes due to this new system.
That's kinda stretching it I know, but the point is some people fly the country they do because that's where they're comfy in the community.
culero
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Sooo,
How is everyone on this beautiful Sunday morn ?
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Hi Arlo:
I thought the point was sufficiently clear regarding the stats. Every customer that complains represents a group of larger disaffected customers that are unseen. This is a rule of thumb for ANY business. This was all mentioned in the overall context of trying to bring a little balance to a needlessly heated discussion. How that was translated into an indictment against HTC I have no idea.
So typical businesses aren't the passion of their owners? Come now, that's really stretching it if not insulting to others. I'd venture to say that businesses that are this way don't last too long.
Yes, you offered a counterpoint. I just haven't seen data that supports it.
Cheers :)!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by culero
Here's the problem I have personally with that, Ghost - the country I settled in with IS my equivalent of a squad. And I don't think I'm alone.
... snip ...
As a point of reference, I'm in a similar situation. I got back into AH because the guys on a mailing list I'm on (a bunch of old-time players, mainly) mentioned the new version and I wanted to see what cool things HT had cooked up since the last time I played.
They just happen to fly Rook ... so that's where I fly. We discuss tactics and stuff on our mailing list. We're also loosely associated with another old-timers squadron who also happens to fly Rooks. The hours and numbers we fly in are unlikely to affect the odds - the most I've seen of our combined crew on at once was like 7 or 8.
I've been everything from a C-lander to a Gold and now a Rook. Like I care what things are called? I fly where I know people. On any given week I'll fly 6 or 7 different planes in the hours I do fly. So this balancer doesn't affect me much. That said, I don't like having the choice of planes taken away from me for reasons not of my own making. That bothers me at a different level.
Next ... I've known HT for over a decade. We've met, talked, flown together, and even worked together. While he and I often disagree on many things (and I know he's just thrilled to see me back on the BBS ...heheh), I've never known him to do something intentionally unfair. So the balancer in and of itself isn't intended to be unfair ... it just needs to be tuned. Don't go cancelling your accounts, don't threaten to strike ... just stand down for a week if it really bothers you. It looks like the collision code needs to be looked at anyway. If you're really upset, take it offline to email so as not to incur the limp-wristed wrath of the f-lamers.
Lastly ... is Rooks the only country that holds a Joint Ops night? If so, why? If not, then the other countries have no grounds for whining about numbers.
-DoK
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I've never known him to do something intentionally unfair.
-DoK
I I don't know him so close as you but woudn't make such sentence. There an lot of whiners here who whine about overwhelming Lalas and mustangs. But THIS IS by design, in accordance with the rules HTC established for MA. Changing the rules on the road after contract has been signed is not good business practice.
I want to fly P51D. At the moment I entered this game P51D wasn't perked. I didn't chose 262 or Temptest because they were perked, it was the rule and I agree with this. But now HTC has changed their rules. And obviously I have the right to complain. It is absolutely similar if I have signed contract with cell phone company, got my deal for 35 free minutes per month, but after 2 months they call me and tell that I have only 25 minutes. This is a business, guys! I play this game in way I want to play. I have spent 2 months searching Inernet looking for tactical and technical datas of P51D - not just climb and speed but energy diagrams, etc. I'm former engineer, and I like to play this game in this way. And now two months of my work is in drain.
BTW, those who tell me "change the plane" even don't understand that they bit themself. They don't want to see hords of Lalas besause they can't beat them using their favorite Hurries. So, they whine - and HTC forbids Lalas!
If you can't beat Lala in your Hurr or Spit I - CHANGE THE PLANE, IDIOT! Take Lala!
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Originally posted by dtango
Hi Arlo:
I thought the point was sufficiently clear regarding the stats. Every customer that complains represents a group of larger disaffected customers that are unseen. This is a rule of thumb for ANY business. This was all mentioned in the overall context of trying to bring a little balance to a needlessly heated discussion. How that was translated into an indictment against HTC I have no idea.
So typical businesses aren't the passion of their owners? Come now, that's really stretching it if not insulting to others. I'd venture to say that businesses that are this way don't last too long.
Yes, you offered a counterpoint. I just haven't seen data that supports it.
Cheers :)!
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Hi back atcha again.
Using statistics to prove a point has one inherent flaw .... statistics.
And no ... not every complaining customer represents a larger portion of customers that are equally dissatisfied for the same reason. Case in point:
A customer ahead of me in line at McDonalds orders a Big Mac with no pickles and no sesame seeds, pays, steps aside and waits. I order a regular `ol Big Mac. I pay ... it's slapped on the tray ... and I walk away. Behind me I hear the other customer begin to loudly complain about my getting my order first. From my table I can still hear the tirade as the counter help apologizes for the delay. Finally the next customer in line tells the loud one to keep his britches on, his pickless, seedless Gay Mac is being made.
Now I'm going to ask you to do the same thing about gettin' all defensive about my telling you that you were indeed implying a poor business decision on HTC's part when you decided to list a bunch of statistics about how businesses lose their customer base when their customer base in disgruntled.
The customer base is already disgruntled. A portion of it will always be disgruntled. Over lots of things. Some can be helped ... some can't. Some there's a choice to make. Lose the customers that are tired of disparity amongst sides (some lost already) or lose the customers that have to fly a Rook or Knight or Bish LA-7 or P51-D or nothing at all. Maybe one demographic or the other can learn to adapt. Maybe one demographic actually outnumbers the other. I'm sure statistics can prove something there, as well. :D
Either way, HT ain't ever gonna please everyone all of the time. ;)
Common sense doesn't need "statistics." :D
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Originally posted by Vad
BTW, those who tell me "change the plane" even don't understand that they bit themself. They don't want to see hords of Lalas besause they can't beat them using their favorite Hurries. So, they whine - and HTC forbids Lalas!
If you can't beat Lala in your Hurr or Spit I - CHANGE THE PLANE, IDIOT! Take Lala!
La7 EASY kill (most lala drivers are HORRIBLE pilots with little to no skill) in ANY plane i'm in. Hurri, 110's, 205's, 109's etc. I think you are missing the point here. I don't need a lala to kill a lala. Nothing about the plane is so fantastic, that it overrides the inherant dweebness and lack of ACM of it's pilot.
(sigh)
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Originally posted by Vad
I I don't know him so close as you but woudn't make such sentence. There an lot of whiners here who whine about overwhelming Lalas and mustangs. But THIS IS by design, in accordance with the rules HTC established for MA. Changing the rules on the road after contract has been signed is not good business practice.
I want to fly P51D. At the moment I entered this game P51D wasn't perked. I didn't chose 262 or Temptest because they were perked, it was the rule and I agree with this. But now HTC has changed their rules. And obviously I have the right to complain. It is absolutely similar if I have signed contract with cell phone company, got my deal for 35 free minutes per month, but after 2 months they call me and tell that I have only 25 minutes. This is a business, guys! I play this game in way I want to play. I have spent 2 months searching Inernet looking for tactical and technical datas of P51D - not just climb and speed but energy diagrams, etc. I'm former engineer, and I like to play this game in this way. And now two months of my work is in drain.
BTW, those who tell me "change the plane" even don't understand that they bit themself. They don't want to see hords of Lalas besause they can't beat them using their favorite Hurries. So, they whine - and HTC forbids Lalas!
If you can't beat Lala in your Hurr or Spit I - CHANGE THE PLANE, IDIOT! Take Lala!
If your thinking that 51D is gone bye bye forever then you are mistaken. If you think that all your work is down the drain the I would disagree.
Why is it down the drain? Cause you cant fly a 51D for a little while? Thats not even an argument. Same stats and all the stuff you learned about the 51d still applies even when it is disabled.
I would hate to see so many people leave because they think its "unfair" or the "Rules Changed". But , by the same token if all people are going to do is moan about something that is at BEST in its infancy and not even give HT a chance to fine tune it , and threaten to quit , then I must say as I did earleir..Bye
Perhaps opening the door for you may be a bit much. I get tired of HO's. Tired of stick stirring. NIK's are fine...51D , Spit IX's Run90's 10dies...F4Udeads , all of em...WHO CARES...just FLY.
When the Pony or LaLa is disabled simply grab something else for probably 30 minutes (which some of you make sound like a friggin life time) and just fly. It's simple.
All this "It's anti squad" is just another way of saying "WE want our ride and you have no right to take it from us". NEWS FLASH there Bud....It's not your ride...your server..your game..your anything. Its your money and you pay to play a game. Thats all of this entire deal that is "Yours"
I agree with Dok...you guys need to just chill..relax..and let it play out a week or so. See if there is a change. A tweak in the making. See if this is doing what it was designed for. NUMBER BALANCE. NOT TAKING "YOUR" PLANE AWAY.
Youll get it back:)
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It's quantity of fighters that will even out the sides not the quality.
-Buzzz
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Interesting ideas there Buzzzzz.... however.. amount of of real estate controlled needs to be factored in as well... Just because a country has numbers... they shouldn't be immediately penalized if they are sitting with 4 fields and survival rations. :)
But... If the plane restirctions were only applied to buffs, you still have lots of fighters to put up a strong defense. From a tactical viewpoint, you also still have strong Jabo potential to hit strat targets and you can still take bases... you just have to send waves of JU88s instead of just a few Lancasters. Again the balance comes from having to pull personel out of fighters and put them in buffs in order to take bases (go offensive.) If you use the current system for bombers only then defensive efforts and players who just want to furball are not effected at all. It might be the perfect answer to keep one side from totally blitzing another when the numbers are skewed.
Comprimises have been known to work you know.
(Work with me on this Soup... I'm trying to get those FW factories running around the clock for you again: )
-Buzzz
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Vad, you seem to be the target audience for what HTC is trying to achieve. No mention of squads, no mention of country specific loyalty - just a P51 enthusiast
So why not change sides?
Plus you seem to feel HTC has screwed you because they've somehow changed the rules. Would it be better for you if your subscription went up every time they added a new plane/vehicle? New Ki84, subscription goes up $1 a month?
As for punishing P51/La7 pilots, these are amongst the most used planes in the MA. Denying people the right to fly the SBD on the biggest team isnt going to achieve the target of levelling the sides because no-one flys it.
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Originally posted by Vad
I I don't know him so close as you but woudn't make such sentence. There an lot of whiners here who whine about overwhelming Lalas and mustangs. But THIS IS by design, in accordance with the rules HTC established for MA. Changing the rules on the road after contract has been signed is not good business practice.
Not that I dont appriciate your concerns with the pony but, with that kind of policy, gameplay issues would never be addressed. Alot has changed since I came here in 01. Alot of the changes were for better gameplay, and were prompted by issues caused by player behavior.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
La7 EASY kill (most lala drivers are HORRIBLE pilots with little to no skill) in ANY plane i'm in. Hurri, 110's, 205's, 109's etc. I think you are missing the point here. I don't need a lala to kill a lala. Nothing about the plane is so fantastic, that it overrides the inherant dweebness and lack of ACM of it's pilot.
(sigh)
I think that you are missing the point. If La7 is easy kill, and Hurri or 110 can do better WHY IS LA7 BANNED? Or in my case P51? According to your post HTC has made great mistake. They banned wrong planes. They should restrict Hurri and 109, not P51D and La7.
Or may be you just allude that HTC has to ban the better pilots not the better planes? It would be great solution, I really do think so! If number of rooks increased other sides on 10 pilots just ban everybody with K/d more than 2. According to your post it is more logical. And HTCs will achieve its goal - side balancing, - and everybody will be happy. It will be not only number balancing but skills balancing. And newbies will get chance to try planes like Hurry or 110 - they will not be afraid to meet ace and lose plane in few second. And aces with high k/d will be happy - they will be able to chat a little on 200 or here. Anyway they do that more than fly. :)
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The thing is we don't seem to have much of a problem with bombers and as far as I can tell there arn't a huge # of us buff pilots flyin. Its the vast amounts of LA's, 109's, 190's, 51's and the like all flyin in a large mass at the same place at the same time and thats all you can see in the area.
Did people forget that there are other planes to fly???
I thaught it was great the other night when either the rooks or knites did an HQ raid on us bish with JU87's and they actually killed the dar.
I would love to see more variation in the planes flown in the MA and if it takes HTC to disable some planes to get the mass of easy mode flyers to try somthin else so be it.
I'm not tryin to start a fight here, its just my op.
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Hi Arlo:
Sorry man, I can't see the logic in your statements. Not sure how your big mac story illustrates the invalidity of the statistics.
Also if replying to your claim that I was indicting HTC's business is being defensive - wow sorry you see it that way. I would assume that a reasonable person like yourself would respond the same way if someone claimed you said something you didn't and try to clarify the message no?
And why do you keep insisting that I am somehow implying HTC made a poor business decision? That was certainly not the intent.
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Vad
I think that you are missing the point. If La7 is easy kill, and Hurri or 110 can do better WHY IS LA7 BANNED? Or in my case P51? According to your post HTC has made great mistake. They banned wrong planes. They should restrict Hurri and 109, not P51D and La7.
Or may be you just allude that HTC has to ban the better pilots not the better planes? It would be great solution, I really do think so! If number of rooks increased other sides on 10 pilots just ban everybody with K/d more than 2. According to your post it is more logical. And HTCs will achieve its goal - side balancing, - and everybody will be happy. It will be not only number balancing but skills balancing. And newbies will get chance to try planes like Hurry or 110 - they will not be afraid to meet ace and lose plane in few second. And aces with high k/d will be happy - they will be able to chat a little on 200 or here. Anyway they do that more than fly. :)
I just deleted the HUGE post i typed to respond to you (yet again) and decided against it. Not going to waste the time arguing w/ someone that obviously doesn't understand something.
INSTEAD here is an offer.
I'm in the Training Arena every day (usually) for an hour or two. If i'm online (even in the MA) grab me and I will be happy to show you how those "other" planes can OWN a lala, or runstang. I will be happy to spend some time teaching you how best to fly a diff plane. All broadening your horizons w/ other plane types can do is make you a better pilot.
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Originally posted by Chortle
Vad, you seem to be the target audience for what HTC is trying to achieve. No mention of squads, no mention of country specific loyalty - just a P51 enthusiast
So why not change sides?
You know , it is very very difficult to explain. Frankly, I don't know. Something inside me protests against that. And this is very slippery subject... National characters, you know... I really do think that something wrong with the idea to change your country (even if it is chess country) just because you will get better plane. Sometimes we make such decision in real life, but this is hard and painful decision. And we pay high price - VERY HIGH PRICE - for what we did. And this is not about loylity to chess country, it is something deep.... I don't know how to explain.
OK. Just take it as fact. Some nationalities on this planet can't accept the idea of changing their chess countries just because of inability of some resources. It is the same like most of Europeans and Americans wouldn't like obscene jokes about Christ, but Chineses wouldn't understand why.
And I really don't want to deepen into this.
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Originally posted by Vad
I think that you are missing the point. If La7 is easy kill, and Hurri or 110 can do better WHY IS LA7 BANNED? Or in my case P51? According to your post HTC has made great mistake. They banned wrong planes. They should restrict Hurri and 109, not P51D and La7.
Or may be you just allude that HTC has to ban the better pilots not the better planes? It would be great solution, I really do think so! If number of rooks increased other sides on 10 pilots just ban everybody with K/d more than 2. According to your post it is more logical. And HTCs will achieve its goal - side balancing, - and everybody will be happy. It will be not only number balancing but skills balancing. And newbies will get chance to try planes like Hurry or 110 - they will not be afraid to meet ace and lose plane in few second. And aces with high k/d will be happy - they will be able to chat a little on 200 or here. Anyway they do that more than fly. :)
I don't agree with you, but that was nicely put. First language or not, you got the dry humor down. No sarcasm intended
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
As a point of reference, I'm in a similar situation. I got back into AH because the guys on a mailing list I'm on (a bunch of old-time players, mainly) mentioned the new version and I wanted to see what cool things HT had cooked up since the last time I played.
They just happen to fly Rook ... so that's where I fly. We discuss tactics and stuff on our mailing list. We're also loosely associated with another old-timers squadron who also happens to fly Rooks. The hours and numbers we fly in are unlikely to affect the odds - the most I've seen of our combined crew on at once was like 7 or 8.
I've been everything from a C-lander to a Gold and now a Rook. Like I care what things are called? I fly where I know people. On any given week I'll fly 6 or 7 different planes in the hours I do fly. So this balancer doesn't affect me much. That said, I don't like having the choice of planes taken away from me for reasons not of my own making. That bothers me at a different level.
Next ... I've known HT for over a decade. We've met, talked, flown together, and even worked together. While he and I often disagree on many things (and I know he's just thrilled to see me back on the BBS ...heheh), I've never known him to do something intentionally unfair. So the balancer in and of itself isn't intended to be unfair ... it just needs to be tuned. Don't go cancelling your accounts, don't threaten to strike ... just stand down for a week if it really bothers you. It looks like the collision code needs to be looked at anyway. If you're really upset, take it offline to email so as not to incur the limp-wristed wrath of the f-lamers.
Lastly ... is Rooks the only country that holds a Joint Ops night? If so, why? If not, then the other countries have no grounds for whining about numbers.
-DoK
Rgr all. I'm not even on the same page with any of the "WAH! I'M PERSECUTED! I'M GONNA QUIT!" approach here.
I'm certain HT is making judgments about what to do based on what he thinks is best for business, and is cognizant the community is important in that. I'm just offering some feedback.
I'm like you, this balancing scheme ain't gonna hurt me, the possibility it inconveniences me (as in can't fly my current scenario ride) is pretty slim. I'm just responding here to the idea that anyone who won't swap sides to balance numbers is somehow selfish or wrong. I disagree with that.
And I think there's prolly better ways to deal with numbers imbalance problems (but that's being discussed in other threads ;))
culero
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Originally posted by Vad
You know , it is very very difficult to explain.
Change your attitude: instead of "three countries", think "one community". You are not changing sides at all, you are simply making the game better by evening the teams. If you and your buddies at work did a friendly pick-up basketball game, and two guys had to leave the other team, you'd fill in their place so the game could continue. Right? This is no different.
So, it's not a "betrayal", and the 51D doesn't give you any advantage. It's just what you like to fly. And you are helping the game by switching to the other team and keeping numbers even.
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Originally posted by dtango
Hi Arlo:
Sorry man, I can't see the logic in your statements. Not sure how your big mac story illustrates the invalidity of the statistics.
Also if replying to your claim that I was indicting HTC's business is being defensive - wow sorry you see it that way. I would assume that a reasonable person like yourself would respond the same way if someone claimed you said something you didn't and try to clarify the message no?
And why do you keep insisting that I am somehow implying HTC made a poor business decision? That was certainly not the intent.
Hi back yet again again,
Well, I didn't mean to rain on your statistical parade and all but how can you NOT see it? You make a claim, I give you an example of how that claim can indeed be false. You say that it's illogical so I give you another example and you say that's illogical ad infinitum ... all because you used some statistics that you thought applied here perfectly and I didn't buy it.
Just one last chance for you not to see what seems plain as day to me:
- "The average business will hear nothing from 96 percent of unhappy clients. In other words, only 4 percent will bother to complain. So, for every complaint you hear, twenty-four others go unreported."
Again .... what about the customers posting here that are thrilled with the change? What percentage of the overall customer base do your statistics reveal they represent? What percentage of them will become disgruntled, leave and never come back if HT caves in to the "I pay damned good money for that Lala, dammit!" whine? Then again, maybe they won't. Maybe the "Statistics prove disgruntled customers leave and take their money with them" argument doesn't bear as much merit as you think, in this case.
- "90 percent of dissatisfied clients will not come back or buy again. "
There will always be a percentage of customers dissatisfied. But do you really think that anyone who's played this game for six months or longer is going to leave and not ever come back over this? If so ... they were just looking for an excuse, probably.
- "Every dissatisfied client will tell at least nine other people."
Again ... who are they going to tell and what effect will it have, specificly dealing with HTC?
- "68 percent of clients who stop doing business with you do so because of company indifference. "
If you're not meaning to infer that HTC is indifferent about it's client base then why even bring this particular statistic up? HTC obviously is not indifferent or you wouldn't have even seen this attempt to address customer complaints about disparity in the main arena.
- "Of the customers who register a complaint, up to 70 percent will do business with the organization again if their complaint is resolved. Up to 95 percent will do business if the problem is resolved quickly."
And what if the complaint is irrational or doesn't reflect or meet the desires of the majority of the customer base? What if changing things back causes an equal or greater amount of protest? It took HT years to come to this decision. I'm willing to bet he expected at least this much meltdown the first week. We'll see, as time goes by, if statistics prove that he'll lose ten customers for every one whining here and never see them again.
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Yeah ... I know .... you don't get it. None of that applies to your perfect statistical logic. How can it?
And hi again again again for next time. :D
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Arlo:
I love the AH product as many others do like yourself. Maybe the stats mean squat here. In my opinion they aren't meaningless because they represent tried and true business axioms. We differ on opinion there.
I copied and pasted the stats from some business information sources. I never meant to infer HTC was violating any of the points outlined. They are general business axioms that successful businesses like HTC understand.
The point I was trying to make was:
(1) for those who have a complaint or grievance - boost your "signal" and lower your "noise" :), and
(2) for those who write off others with grievances try and filter the "noise" to pick up the "signal" because there's likely others that have the same grievances so try listening instead of flaming :).
Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Open Letter to Hitech
I pay good money to play this game and to fly these planes. I just watched 32 Bishops log off in the last 30 minutes (I made 33) in frustration. I refuse to pay you ANY MORE money if I cannot fly the planes.
LET ME MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I REFUSE TO PAY YOU ANY MORE MONEY UNTIL I CAN FLY THE PLANES AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow! you mean now we will not see ten thousand `109's and 190's comeing in for a vulch:rofl
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Not going to waste the time arguing w/ someone that obviously doesn't understand something.
No problem, bro. Don't waste you time. Anyway I am going to cancel my account.
And, princess, thank you for taking care of my ass. Don't worry, I always have been careful with doors.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
...Please try to be more consistent in the future...
I was being consistent. Every time moil posts his sniping crap, I am going to remind him that he already said he was leaving to play a better game.
That has nothing to do with the current flood of foot stomping and hand wringing.
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Originally posted by Vad
Anyway I am going to cancel my account.
I thought you weren't going to cancel your account because it's such a good game?
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Originally posted by Arlo
I thought you weren't going to cancel your account because it's such a good game?
This is very good game, you are right. And you have never seen me on this board before because all my spare time I had spent flying.
Now I can't. It is still very good game but I am not welcome there. So happened. It is not your or HTC or anybody fault, it is just consequence of circumstances.
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wow...it took you far more energy to participate in this whine (7) to try and get your plane back, than it would have to simply hit enter and type in ".country x"
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Originally posted by vorticon
wow...it took you far more energy to participate in this whine (7) to try and get your plane back, than it would have to simply hit enter and type in ".country x"
Yes, you got the point. It is very difficult for me. I know that is very easy for you... and I am not surprised, actually.
But we are different...
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Originally posted by hitech
4510: You are starting to push the limits of acceptible behavior on this board.
HiTech
Could you be a tad more specific? I know I haven't exactly given your operation or product glowing reports.... is that a requirement to be able to post on this board?
I know you have my email address... and I don't mind taking this out of the public eye. But if I'm on the edge I'd like to know where the edge is.
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Originally posted by Bammer4
Nice answers Rook.
We'll see how you feel after Rook squad nite tonite. Have fun not being able to defend a single base just because there are too many Rooks logged on. Be sure to count the number of Rooks that leave the game in the first 30 minutes.
Taking a GV to fight with will not make more planes available to your side.
BT
I fly the La5FN, Mossie, Jug, Pony B, Hellkitty, Hurry2C and G-6 almost exclusively. I am a Rook, can careless of the numbers AND of the fix. I don't fly those planes affected, they aren't a challenge. I'd rather roll a Spit 1 and shot you're cry-baby arse down. As for the "GV comment", the last thing you want me in, is an Ostie.
AmReo has said it best so far.
Nopoop, the Whine-O-meter is classic.
Karaya
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Take ur raid, fly it fine and use the re-arm pad :cool:
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Originally posted by Furious
I was being consistent. Every time moil posts his sniping crap, I am going to remind him that he already said he was leaving to play a better game.
That has nothing to do with the current flood of foot stomping and hand wringing.
Sniping crap? hhhmmm.