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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on August 15, 2004, 11:04:52 PM
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I for one, love it.
I think there would be slightly less whining if the planes were perked, instead of disabled, but you'd have to start off relatively steep (like 7-10ish is a good number I saw elsewhere) for it to have the same effect as if it were disabled.
Something to think over anyway.
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I upped, I killed, I died, what new system?
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I think my system of real WWII scenarios would be better.
Take Eastern Front air battles, for example...
You have two sides: Germany, and the Soviet Union. There's a rolling planeset, and the planes you can fly depend upon the year the battle took place.
I know that the Combat Theater does this... But seriously, it would completely balance the MA, and would also promote serious flying (not just for perks and score).
But for now, Patch 8 is a good way to balance the MA.
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ok
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I also love it. The few times that the numbers were getting too far out of whack the La-7s and P-51D suddenly disappeared. It was still possible for us to put up a fight and it didn't degenerate into the 5 hour vulch fest. After about an hour the numbers were back to even and everybody was flying what they wanted to again.
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Love it!
Heck I'm far more concerned with what I hear of this weird new collision model.
Phear my c202 biotches! :D
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Like it, Sable expressess things eloquently.
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So like my P38 was unavailible for a brief period. I chose to occupy myself with non-fighter activities. Then boom my rank drops like 600 spots. I mean, whats up with that?
LOL
No complaints here.
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what Urchin said.
Bozon
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Agreed. I'm all for a new perk system. Yes everyone has a ton of Perks, but a month or two burning through those stashes and the perk system would show its true colors.
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Realy indifferent about it, but more on the positive.
Btw - I'm above 30 years old....
was kinda curious about the ages of the naysayers...lol
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Like it.
I still seem to remember Kweassa calling for the top 6 planes to be perked. Result - the majority of replies were 100% against it.
Funny how times change.
Still say perking them during numbers imbalance is not the answer, just leaves total newbs at an even bigger disadvantage than they already are.
OK we could reset all perks at the start of each tour, then you think theres whines now, batten down the hatches.
IMO this is what will happen will current system-
1) Newbs or Squads who want to fly the low ENV stuff will change countries.
2) They will make new buddies and stay with that country.
3) The arena will balance out more.
4) All countries will be less and less affected by the ENV modifier.
This may take some time but I think it will happen.
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OMG... did you say PERK them? Man, your going straight to HTC hell for that.
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:aok
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i love it right now
but you need to reset perks for everplayer if you want your idea to work to full effect
o by the way Urchin saw you land those TA152 kills tonight:D
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I like anything that reduces the horde.
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I like it - or rather, agree upon the basic premise of it.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I like it - or rather, agree upon the basic premise of it.
What if you don't care either way - does that count ? Was happy before , am still happy now .
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Originally posted by Urchin
I for one, love it.
I think there would be slightly less whining if the planes were perked, instead of disabled, but you'd have to start off relatively steep (like 7-10ish is a good number I saw elsewhere) for it to have the same effect as if it were disabled.
Something to think over anyway.
id have too say, i really havent experianced it yet. since im on knites and were usually underdogged anyways
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personally, the patch hasnt really affected me. Ive shot down the same amount of LA7s/P51s, and Ive never had to change from my F6F.
I guess that means I like it. Im sure if the ENY limit got to 20.1,Id be able to find something other to do.
But you know, judging from Urchin's avatar and past posts, you must have been dancing in the streets when this patch came out!:aok
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Originally posted by Murdr
So like my P38 was unavailible for a brief period. I chose to occupy myself with non-fighter activities. Then boom my rank drops like 600 spots. I mean, whats up with that?
LOL
No complaints here.
U prolly stink in a GV murdr
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KNights had 25 more players the other day and I treid to up a 51
np
i tried a lalala NP
DISGUSTING...
How many folks more than the other team you need to be subject to the balancer?
Ill have to switch to rooks to find out i assume
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It works!
Was on last night when rooks had big #s advantage, all of a sudden the la7's & 190's were gone replaced by yaks & hvy a20's.
Was some very good fights.
I think they could leave it off if there is under 200 in the arena. I don't see the problem as bad with the lower numbers.
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Seems to work pretty good. Some of the posts from those who don't like it are funny to read. It is a comprehension issue now. Even after all of this they still just don't get that what they were doing wasn't right, I don't know if they ever will.
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My first reaction was that I didn't like being told what I could and couldn't fly. But now that I've gotten used to it, I appreciate the fact that its made me take up a couple of different planes that I normally wouldn't have, and increased my experience level in other a/c.
I say keep it for awhile and see how it works out.:aok
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I agree with Fruda and favor the implementation of an RPS. Warbirds had it back when HT and Pyro were running the show there. But it was not very popular with the general "quakebirds" type that infest the MA then, and I'm sure there'd be b1tching now if it were tried.
Implementation of an RPS was discussed here years ago and it was highly unpopular then. Maybe the ENY-limiting thing (does it have a name yet?) will make that seem more palatable though.
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I would guess I fall into the "ehh... doesn't really effect me" catagory. I don't have to fly any certain type of plane. I'll kill 'em no matter what I fly.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
I would guess I fall into the "ehh... doesn't really effect me" catagory. I don't have to fly any certain type of plane. I'll kill 'em no matter what I fly.
I second this.
Karaya
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I didn't even notice it.
Hell, the fighter hangers get knocked down so fast these days that all planes are unavailable a lot of the time lolh.
What happened to the days of ole where the good squads would come in cap a base and take the field without killing th FH?
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I fly Rook and have done so since we formed our squad. But, I have flown with the Bishops and the Knights prior to that. I wouldn't mind if the squad switched sides to obtain some numbers balance. But for now we are Rooks and I really don't find the ENY limit system a problem.
Aside from having a brief time without the P-38, my game play was not impacted whatsoever.
I flew the 190A-5... All versions were available.
I flew the 109G-2... All versions were available.
I flew the P-51B...It was always available.
I flew the FM-2....It was always available.
I used an Ostwind... it was always available
Also available without restriction were the La-5, Yaks, P-47s, C.205, F4U-1 and 1-D. You could fly the F6F and FM-2 as well. All of these are lethal and capable fighters. Don't forget the Ki-61 with its buzzsaw guns and great instantaneous turn rate. Likewise the Hurricane IIC is a monster... Take one of those to a low fight, but show up at 10k... Nothing is as deadly as the Hurri IIC with an altitude advantage. It is the absolute king of snapshooting.
What's that? You like to vulch and your Niki or LaLa is not available? Take the Hurricane IIC, take a Tiffy, take a 110G-2, or take the vulcher king, a 190A-8. Grab a 109G-2 and load the gondolas, thats up to 450 20mm, plus 1,000 7.92mm MG rounds. I've killed 5 B-26s with that loadout and escaped without a scratch.
The problem as I see it is that so many guys depend on the uber fighters instead of learning how to exploit the other aircraft available to them. Some guys fly one type, even one model exclusively. I'd be bored to death. There's more than a few players who view ACM as HO and run, HO and run.. With the emphasis on running. The loss of their favorite speed demon is grounds for uncontrollable remorse... It's actually quite funny to listen to over VOX. They certainly have viable options, but their security blanket has been taken away and rational thought is not a solution for them.
Geez, that under-used P-51B is one of the best air to air fighters in the game! Not a snap shooter for sure, but a well handled P-51B is very difficult to beat. Likewise, the Yak-9U is a terrific dogfighter, able to take on anything with a reasonable expectation of winning. The same thing goes for the P-47D-40. 4k climb from sea level, great handling, over-powering guns. Too bad most just use it as a bomb truck. The above mentioned 109G-2 is a superbly balanced fighter, good maneuverability, excellent climb and decent speed. You can load an extra fifty 20mm rounds these days too. If any doubts the capability of the F6F, then they haven't flown it enough. I lost one last week to a 190 in the BnZ mode. I bombed and strafed a fleet, and then went after some LVTs and had absorbed a lot of fleet ack to boot. Meanwhile a 190 was booming and zooming me. I had a pilot wound, landing gear shot out, an aileron missing, two guns disabled was still able to get some kills before the 190 was able to take advantage of the increasingly frequent blackouts. A P-51D would have been dead long ago. That F6F is one tough fighter and if flown by a good stick, able to handle anything that comes its way. If you don't think so, wing up with Mathman, Greebo, Wadke, Chortle or Drex and see for yourself.
I do not believe that plane restrictions will balance numbers. But I do believe that it's a good excuse to learn different aircraft and become less dependent on pure speed to kill and survive.
There was a time when the Rooks had the best pilots in the game. They had to, as they were out-numbered 3/1 every night. No one altered the code to balance numbers back then. What happened was that the smaller country simply was forced to out-fly and out-fight the bigger ones simply to survive. It appears that we have a group of lesser grit these days, who rather than improve their skills or organize Rook-style RJOs, piss and moan on the BBS.
What also bothers me is this rediculous concept of country loyalty. This is a game for cryin'-out-loud! If my squad decided to switch countries to help balance the sides, I'd do so without hesitation. Even my loyalty to my squad has its limits. I like my squadies, but I won't fly any mission that I find useless or suicidal. I saw one guy post that if he couldn't fly with the country he wanted, he wouldn't fly at all! How far down the tardling path is that going?
We should use the CT as an example. Guys switch back and forth from side to side to keep the numbers fairly even. Why that doesn't happen in the MA is a mystery best defined by clinical shrinks.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Sable
I also love it. The few times that the numbers were getting too far out of whack the La-7s and P-51D suddenly disappeared. It was still possible for us to put up a fight and it didn't degenerate into the 5 hour vulch fest. After about an hour the numbers were back to even and everybody was flying what they wanted to again.
The only reason you got to fly your preferred plane again was because 20-50 of your countrymen logged off in disgust.
Not a good way to stay in business. Having your customers leave angry 50 at a time.
BT
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Happy Camper, here
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*shrug*
There's a new system? :D
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The new system is good but needs tweaking.. I think a perk system would be the best solution and either resetting perks on monthly basis or having a perk cap say maximum of say 300-400 perks (2 262 missions, if you land your aircraft you dont lose your perks so dont whine yet...) would be the best solution...
Other than that... system seems to be working..
I also think strategic targets is the way to disable planes..( like aw spit factory)
2 cents..
DoctorYo
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I posted in both threads, but I like the new system for the most part. It forces folks to fly new rides, but the perk planes are disabled if your team has an advantage. The prices of the perk planes are already high if you have an advantage, so they should always be enabled, or we are contradicting the perk system. Since you have to purchase those rides anyway, and the costs fluctuate depending on the numbers, I think they should always be enabled.
:D
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I have no problem with the new system.
Still have a whack of fun.
RTR
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Originally posted by Redd
What if you don't care either way - does that count ? Was happy before , am still happy now .
I'm with Redd on this. Though it was cool see a bunch of P47's
and other medium ENY planes hitting a base I was at (A8 I think) last night.
I've only been back for a week and was already tired of seeing La-7's, P-51D's and Fw-190D-9's.
Don't really care about numbers balance, prefer being on the side with least numbers anyway. It's a bit harsh when trying to re-learn, but it is intense and fun.
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I love it. :aok
last night I was at A9 and a lage group of F6F's came runin in. That was great!! I think the plane diversity will shoot up and I hope it dose as I fly the low end ones all the time but hardlly see others flying them.
I think though the perk planes should be left alone as they already cost somthing so I'm guessing few people could afford to fly perk planes all the time.
Am I wrong??? just a thaught.
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I dont have a problem with it so far. So....I guess I like it :)
It has not hindered me at all this weekend. It's not often that the knights have had planes unavailable but when it does, I just flew something else. No big deal. The only thing that may concern me is not having 163's available near HQ.
Several of my favorite rides have high eny values anyways :D
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Urch - I think it's just fine. I have just come from a session fighting the er... well, I never notice what chesspiece it was. I was F6F and F4U up from CV41. When the time came that the field we were hitting (A23?) was almost down, I tried to up a CHog because of some GVs they had lying around. Min ENY value was 7, so no CHog for me. OK, np - I'll stick with the 1D. It was OK. I left the main group to go after a ju87 - got it, but then I had an LA7 on me. No problem with that. I tried a barrel roll, but he got me. But I felt that if the balancer allowed him to fly an LA7 that it was a fair contest.
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Originally posted by mars01
I didn't even notice it.
Hell, the fighter hangers get knocked down so fast these days that all planes are unavailable a lot of the time lolh.
What happened to the days of ole where the good squads would come in cap a base and take the field without killing th FH?
Can't hit fuel, thats what happened
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Havent noticed the new system, my favorite rides, the P47D-11, F4U-1, C205, F4F-4, 109F-4 and 190A-5 are always available but even if they werent I'd find something to fly.
I think Widewing stated the case pretty clearly.
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Mark me down as "LIKE" for the new system!:aok
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I love it. As a knight, even we were limited some while last (sunday) night. I never before saw such an interesting mix of opposing planes as when rooks were up on numbers, Zeros, 190s, f4us.... It was a beautiful thing.
--Peregrine.
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If you like the new system clap your hands, clap your hands.
If you like the new system clap your hands, clap your hands.
If you like the new system, If you like the new system, If you like the new system, clap your hands, clap your hands.
If you don't like the new system go F@#K Yourself.
If you don't like the new system go F@#K Yourself.
If you don't like the new system, If you don't like the new system, If you don't like the new system, go F@#K Yourself.
:D :lol :rofl
I couldn't help it, no offense to you guys that don't like the new system.
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Can't hit fuel, thats what happened
That has nothing to do with it. People didn't stop upping because the fuel was 25%.
I think the fact that the city is larger it takes a lot longer to drop it so the CAP can't hold em off long enough. I wish they would spread the hangers out again tho. When AHII was new it was ok for the hangers to be so clustered, but now that most people have killing them down it is time to spread them across the field like AHI.
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Originally posted by mars01
If you like the new system clap your hands, clap your hands.
If you like the new system clap your hands, clap your hands.
If you like the new system, If you like the new system, If you like the new system, clap your hands, clap your hands.
If you don't like the new system go F@#K Yourself.
If you don't like the new system go F@#K Yourself.
If you don't like the new system, If you don't like the new system, If you don't like the new system, go F@#K Yourself.
:D :lol :rofl
I couldn't help it, no offense to you guys that don't like the new system.
Mars! Priceless!!! :lol:lol - but not all of your squaddies would agree.
Beet.
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Mars is gonna get a "talking to". :)
Persoanlly I like the new system. Why? Because it is exactly the same as the old system for me. We are back to flying Knights full time and I have yet to see any disabled planes.
I did up an La7 last night tho....just because I could. ;)
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Originally posted by mars01
That has nothing to do with it. People didn't stop upping because the fuel was 25%.
I think the fact that the city is larger it takes a lot longer to drop it so the CAP can't hold em off long enough. I wish they would spread the hangers out again tho. When AHII was new it was ok for the hangers to be so clustered, but now that most people have killing them down it is time to spread them across the field like AHI.
True, good point. I guess I attributed some of the fuel thing to it because if your first wave runs out of steam, you need all fh's down or they get the chance to move the fight line way back from the base. With 25% fuel it stayed pretty local and there seemed to be a better opportunity to establish and hold the cap.
The pattern to me is drop vh, est cap, work on town. Haven't seen many 1st waves get it all unless it's a surprise overwhelming mission, 2nd wave has trouble getting back in and capping.
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same as KJ's first post, what he said!!!!! hehe
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Kj's first post... what he said! hehe ,, i was there!!
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First, I'm not a great pilot.... and I rarely rank in the top quarter of the scores, but I usally fly high eny planes. Only once have I been unable to fly my picked ride, and then it didn't bother me. I like fighting up hill, and a kill is much sweeter if it comes form a fighter percived as a dog, so yes I like it, and I think that after the shock wears off most everyone else will too. On a side note, I think most of the resistance is coming from folks un used to the Idea of external control on their actions, or prehaps folks that need an injection of self worth, people that need to get past the Idea that a particular chunk of tin will make or break them.
Gunns
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I think they could leave it off if there is under 200 in the arena. I don't see the problem as bad with the lower numbers.
Not to be disrespectful ghost but the only time the numbers are less than 200 is in the mornings when nits or bish outnumber rooks. Why shouldnt the morning players be just as inconvienced as the evening rooks. Its only fair that I can up spit9s in the mornings and club spit1s.
I say if we are going to have to live with this system (which i disagree with) it needs to effect everybody whether there is 4 or 400 online. A 15 percent majority is still a 15% majority no matter how many folks are online.
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Originally posted by jdpete75
I think they could leave it off if there is under 200 in the arena. I don't see the problem as bad with the lower numbers.
Not to be disrespectful ghost but the only time the numbers are less than 200 is in the mornings when nits or bish outnumber rooks. Why shouldnt the morning players be just as inconvienced as the evening rooks.
Two factors, 1 pilot has a much bigger impact on the ENYdisable. The arena dynamics are different during off peak times. There are small fairly even fights going on, while the rest of the high number country players are off milkrunning and not disturbing the fighter action.
Decision has been made anyways.
Originally posted by hitech
I aggree on a min arena size before the ENY kicks in killjoy.
HiTech
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bump
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HT,
Could you base the numbers on those actually flying/driving, rather than overall team numbers?
Folks asleep with AH running, should not be counted against a team.
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Originally posted by Furious
HT,
Could you base the numbers on those actually flying/driving, rather than overall team numbers?
Folks asleep with AH running, should not be counted against a team.
I agree its not fair to count them but, if you only count those in-sortie, then you could manipulate things by just organizing a big mission, because those waiting on the big mission to launch wouldnt be counted till they hit fly.
Seen kweassa asked for 30 minuites of non-sortie idle to be automatically disconnected from the server. Dont see how that can be manipulated.
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Goodpoint murdr never thoguht of that.
People going on extended AFK's now hurt their country.
This may have an added benefit.
People who leave their systems on and go AFK because a reset is near and want perks, may now find that one doesn't happen because the ENV limit has hit their country badly. That can't be a bad thing?
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Had already considered the inactive disconect if not active.
Had planned on implementing it, if it becomes a real problem.
HiTech
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I think it's working well and I like it. Enjoy flying some planes I probably wouldn't have selected before and gameplay seems much more balanced to me.
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Originally posted by hitech
Had already considered the inactive disconect if not active.
Had planned on implementing it, if it becomes a real problem.
HiTech
If you do this can it not be implemented in the TA or CT. Sometimes if I think my connect is bad or game is crashing I'll log into one of these and walk away to see how long it takes to disco or for the game to crash.
Thanks,
eskimo
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Originally posted by hitech
Had already considered the inactive disconect if not active.
Had planned on implementing it, if it becomes a real problem.
HiTech
This would also deal with the "radar" accounts -i.e guys with a second account . They up a gv at a field and park it so they can have unlimited radar - I know sounds stupid, but people are doing it.
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I like it
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it has renewed my interest in AH. im loving it.
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Oh yea,
I like it.
eskimo
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no difference here, i never fly planes that far up the ranking system....only bad thing is i cant get that many perks by shooting n00bs down flying la7s
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Originally posted by Redd
What if you don't care either way - does that count ? Was happy before , am still happy now .
Yeah..what he said....I started trying to stop smoking at the perfect time. With all this Welbutrin...I frankly don't give a rats **** what happens...Ill fly what I like or go to bed.