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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wimp on January 19, 2000, 11:11:00 AM
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Man I wish all these diehard Brand X pilots would shut the hell up and go away.
This is a Beta ..not a completed sim.
It doesn't have this plane it doesn't have this arena it doesn't support mac it doesn't fly the same as Brand X it doesn't wipe my bellybutton like Brand X....yeesh!
I'm getting tired of hearing these guys who have no intention of flying AH coming in here trying to tell everyone how bad it is because it doesn't have this or that.
If you are willing to Beta test it with the rest of us then welcome aboard..glad to have you.
If you just want to whine because this sim might cause problems for Brand X then please go to the Brand X UBB and leave us alone.
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Dewey
Wimp
Mighty1
Baby Harp Seals
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Subtle as a sledgehammer as always, but right on!
Discussions that have the possibility of having a fruitful outcome help everyone; meaningless wailing helps no one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Those who chose to whine can go to this webiste where you might get a sympathetic ear: http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb185663 (http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb185663)
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
-Rip1- VF-101 Grim Reapers (RET)
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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Originally posted by Wimp:
Man I wish all these diehard Brand X pilots would shut the hell up and go away.
I'm getting tired of hearing these guys who have no intention of flying AH coming in here trying to tell everyone how bad it is because it doesn't have this or that.
If you just want to whine because this sim might cause problems for Brand X then please go to the Brand X UBB and leave us alone.
Wimp, Where on the AH BB were these posts. Would like to see what was said. Curious.
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The Pagan
I'll be watching.
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Seems to me, the only ones whining are those posting on the AGW about AH or those here posting about WB.
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My thoughts as well Gadfly (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The Pagan
I'll be watching.
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I havnt seen anyone bashing AH on this board, can you pleas point me in the right direction.
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I started to give examples but decided I really didn't want to get into a flame war with some of these guys.(no win situation)
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Dewey
Wimp
Mighty1
Baby Harp Seals
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Gadfly, do the words "Quake with wings" mean anything to you? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I have commented on one aspect of BrandW; connectivity. You deny there is a connect problem. Whatever. Iculus asks a question, you immediately turn it negative with an uncalled for remark.
I hope you enjoy the other sim; I did, when I could get in. But when someone asks a question and you jump in with the comment you made, well, someone will invariably rebut.
Yes, there are some who go over to AGW and stir things up (intentionally or not). I read the board occasionally too, but restrict posting to a bare minimum because it serves no purpose. I don't plan to ever fly that sim again unless I read widely published comments on how much better connectivity has gotten (that's why I watch the board). Your comment about it being "a vocal few" posting negative remarks about the connect strikes me funny; how many post bragging about how good the connects are? Compare that with how many unhappy people had a squad night squashed or a Scenario dumped?
I wouldn't even dare to compare the various qualities of the design of WB and AH- that is subjective, and I wouldn't presume to tell you which you should like. Iculus wanted information, and you tried to circumvent that process with your comment. Why not let him decide for himself? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-19-2000).]
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I was answering a specific question, to a specific person about a specific aspect of AH, Not whining, squeaking or complaining.
Here is a thought, Dolo: Ignore me, as I will you.
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This is simply the most realistic flight model to a online only sim to date...
Great Job HTC...
As far as people keep bashing Quake, why? is it not the most intensive genre of First Person Shooters on the planet..(Yes Unreal is good too)The graphics in Q3 arena a simply incredible... The game play is incredible...
What would happen if HTC convinced carmack and friends to invest in HTC...(before you say quakebirds think before you post)Id doesn't half effort anything..thats why they are on top.
Id is also a graphic powerhouse. Combine that with the excellent network code and research here at HTC and you have a online sim juggernaut.
I find it very funny how those who keep posting quake sucks.. are the least knowledgable of the internet community.
My 3 yr old nephew who got his first frag the other day knows more about the internet then you quake bashers.. He doen't care if its quake, warbirds, airwarrior, AH, AOE all he knows is that its fun.. Half you quake bashers dont even know what runs on port: 80
or 21 or 25....
for the real genius how bout port: 1048 or 1059
quake bashers are lightyears behind technology....(quakebashers usually are unable to program their VCR or car stereo)
So keep talking trash and stay in the darkages where you belong.. go play pong or combat on the 2600...or better yet "the hidden flight sim located in MS excel 97" that may be more your cup of tea.
DoctorYO
Quake Warlord and Pimp King on 56k modem
AKA
Flight sim junkie..
PS "Dolo no disrespect just a general psuedo flame to the various quake bashers out there"
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DoctorYo;
LOL Nice one!
I hope you feel some what better now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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Gadfly-
Your choice. You have made some general remarks that I have responded to. Evidently you have mistaken my tone, and believe there is malice in it. I don't agree with you, but that doesn't matter. I have tried to treat your opinion with respect, and will respect your desire.
DoctorYo-
I'm not against Quake at all! The comment regarding "Quake with wings" was made by a poster using it in a derogatory way, and I was responding to that connotation. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Just didn't want to tick you off Dolomite,
you flying for the good guys and all....
"Long live the Fighters!"
give you a cookie if guess what movie thats from??? 8D
Thats the new knights battle cry..
and yes I do feel better Mino..thanks for your concern.
regards,
DoctorYO
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DroctorYo,
I am not a quake basher but here is your answer
port: 80 tcp World Wide Web HTTP
port: 21 tcp File Transfer CONTROL
port: 25 tcp Simple Mail Transfer SMTP
port: 1048 undefined (see RFC 768)
port: 1059 tcp/udp nimreg
Cheers
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!!! Heater !!!
Shit Happens All The Time
If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you how it's done."
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*Yawn*
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It is not that Quake is bad, I've never played it, so I couldn't tell you one way or another.
What Dolo was referencing, was a question a Squadmate asked on this board about Historical Arenas.
This is not, and will not be a historically based game(in the main arena), per Pyro.
That makes it Quake with wings. What that means is that it involves air combat(using WWII era planes), but it does not model air combat, as took place in WWII.
Get the difference?
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 01-19-2000).]
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Oops
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 01-19-2000).]
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Awww rats. Thought there wuz something GOOD on this channel. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(You go YO! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
Hang
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Herr Doktor-
"Long live the fighters!"
-Dune
now where's my cookie???
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Dr YO, that's a well thought post and makes a very solid point. Kudos. However, when I appear to be "quake bashing" I am referring to the attitude of the players. I had fun w/ Q2, specially with the Action mod, but it grew old rather quickly. I haven't played quake 3, pretty much gave up quake 9-10 months ago because I was sick of the kill'em all let God sort'em out hysteria that seems prevalent on most servers. The same applies to Rainbow6, which I thought would be a much better enviroment, as I like team play and using strategy to overcome the opposition. Watched R6 degenerate into "quake-ness" with everyone wanting to be the guy who kills everyone on the other team (when not playing the missions, but against another human team) and to hell w/ his 'team mates'.
I avoided brand W because of the cost.
Can't say alot of brand A.
I love AH and hopefully will be able to swing staying after it goes pay to play (biggest obstacle will be the wife I believe =\). I've been looking for a good WWII sim to fly online and AH is fitting the bill nicely (as long as I can foot the bill =)
Gadfly has a point about "quake-ness" being in AH.
A lot of pilots just want to jump into the nearest furball and shoot down every red icon they see, not caring if they die in the process (seen this in many a quake arena).
HOs with pilots running flat at out each other squeezing the trigger at d1.2k and hoping to be the winner _and_ still be flying (rocket launcher duels anyone?)
The "Every man for himself" mentality I've seen a lot of pilots fly with. I can't count the times I've watched 3+ friendlies dive after a bandit that has lost a wing while there are 5+ bandits still alive and well (with more arriving) and shooting down other friendlies (tossing grenades from shadows maybe?) only wanting to "steal" the kill and up thier score.
Gadfly points out that most of the action in the main/open arena isn't flown historically. If you sit back and watch you'll see, and I'm not just talking about N1K2s fighting FW190s and Bf109s. I'm talking about tactics and loadouts. Guys load up 25-50% fuel because it cuts down the weight of their of thier bird. In WWII pilots worried about having enough fuel to get home, not having too much to outmanuever the opposition. HOs just seem unrealistic to me, as they reduce the odds of surviving compared to good ACM to get angles and hit the bandits six.
If that is how they have fun flying AH, so be it. That's all well and good for them. I hope they're getting their money's worth, and if I'm able and they need help I'll dive in and help.
My idea of fun is leading a formation of 5+ B17s on a deep strike strategy missions with ponies for scorts. We get the 17s bunched up nice and tight and off we go to strategically wipe out whoever has aggravated us the most. High altitude daylight bombing raids on enemy infrastructure, then going and capturing the fields after we've "broken thier backs" =)
Sorry for the length, and here's the soap box back (and I really dinnae what prompted this post either =)
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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base. - Hoffman Nickerson
[This message has been edited by 214CaveJ (edited 01-19-2000).]
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But u have to understand that often that organization u describe is lost in the midst of battle. So eventually the game degernerates into every man for himself as u described. i mean, wouldnt u want to get credit for shooting down that pilot who was terrorizing your team?
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Slow down people!
Gadfly´s comment is taken totaly out of context! he commented on about AH not going to have an Historical Arena and not about FM´s or anything else.
But im glad to say when AH gets it customer base up there will be an HA 24/7 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (talked to HT in the arena djust now)
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Actually, Cave said what I was trying to say, better.
I dont really know or care about FM's. As long as I get the illusion of flight, I'm Good to Go.
What I fly these sims for is to explore the tactics of War, using airplanes. It just so happens that the WWII era is the best time frame for this.
No missiles. No airborne Radar. No T/W ratio of positive numbers.
I want good planes, enough eye candy so that if I squint a bit it seems real, and a reason to fly a particular plane, be it a 'Stang or a TBF, or even a C47.
In Quake with wings, you pick the biggest baddest most manuverable plane and kill toejam.
In a WWII flight simulation(not simulator), you pick the proper plane for the mission profile, use a reasonable load out, and try to make it home(and kill toejam).
[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 01-19-2000).]
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Maniac I wasn't talking about flight models or an HA. I was simply commenting on what Gadfly said and the quake comparissons. And good to hear we'll have an HA.
YourDead, when we run our formations it gets hectic, but it rarely becomes every man for himself. We have excellent communication between the bombers and the fighters, and our scorts dinnae run off chasing kills. They'll drive the bad guy off a bit and then come back to us. If the bad guy comes back, they drive him off again if they dinnae kill him. Seems pretty real to life to me, and it gets awfully tense when there are a few 190 and 109s climbing to ya.
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My sims better than ur sim. My systems better than ur system. My dicks bigger than ur....blah...blah..
You guys have major ISSUES (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) . I think i can help. I prescribe one night out in company (preferably human). Dont talk about games. Get drunk. Sing a song at the bus stop (The Auld Triangle is highly recommended). That will $150 please.
Dotsie.
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I am getting tired of getting Bashed around. Its not fair too me hehe.
Bash (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You may get your cookie at Jesse Berst's weekly writeup on ZDNET....They like cookies there and have plenty to give out. "Got Milk"
Dune's a great movie..
Heater very good on the Ports the first 3 were gimmees but right on the nose on 1048, 1059 actually NT listens on them alot but you sound like a unix man so that wouldn't apply to you..Unless your running Samba
Its nice to see someone edumacated....I went to Knucklehead High so I'm not talking about myself..
Cave very good points also...I would like to see players fly more to real life but I don't think we will get that chance till a HA or scenario envrioment... 8( I suggest a penalty for those who die multiple times in row thus giving incentive to live and ridding the suicide 25% fuel suckers. Now a few would still suicide attack but after they drop off the scoreboard and are ridiculed they might adjust their flying style. Oh and the current ranking really sucks there should be no column for kills over time. Thats a real lame stat, its almost counter productive to try to live due to the time to return to base. Bomber stats should also be totally different than fighter stats but i guess I'm ranting so thanks for your time.
regards,
DoctorYO