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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wanker on August 16, 2004, 09:04:02 AM
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Finally, they do something smart:
Rip-N-Paste: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/16/bush.troops.home/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush is likely to announce Monday a major realignment of U.S. forces around the world, Pentagon officials told CNN.
The move has been in the works for a number of months, with some details trickling out about switching the military from a Cold War stance to one designed to fight the war on terror.
The announcement may come when Bush addresses the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Cincinnati, Ohio, on Monday.
At the beginning of the summer, a South Korean Foreign Ministry official said the United States had told him it would like to withdraw a third of its 37,000 troops stationed on the peninsula by the end of next year.
In early June, a U.S. delegation, led by Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Lawless, said Washington wanted to withdraw some 12,500 U.S. troops by December 2005, according to Kim Sook, head of the South Korean Foreign Ministry's North American bureau.
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hinted at the change earlier this month, saying the proposed troop realignment would take several years and would likely lead to more American personnel stationed in the United States.
"We've decided that it's time to shift our posture in Europe and Asia and around the world and move from static defense, which does not make much sense today, to a more deployable and usable set of capabilities," Rumsfeld said.
Pentagon and senior administration officials have told CNN that the president's announcement will describe a major reduction and repositioning of U.S. forces overseas, with most reductions coming from Europe -- the rest, from Asia.
One official said the plan would bring some 100,000 family members and military support staff back to the United States.
The move, officials said, is designed to reflect a ready posture for the war on terror, rather than the Cold War stance adopted decades ago when officials believed the Soviet Union posed the biggest threat to America.
"This is a fundamental change and is a change probably in the tactics of our military, so that our people will be more mobile, more available at other places all over the earth," Sen. Richard Lugar, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said Sunday.
"There are some things that we should do to redeploy troops so that they are in the best position possible for what the new threats are," said Sen. Carl Levin, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
According to the officials, the proposals have been crafted following consultation with American allies and members of Congress.
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The honor of using the title "Rip-n-paste" is only bestowed on those who paste in a timely manner. ;)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127156&referrerid=3203
Welcome to last week. :D
(Howya doing this morning banana? Good week end?)
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No fair, that was posted during the weekend when I usually take a break from the boards. :)
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Originally posted by banana
Finally, they do something smart:
They shoulda done that the day after Sept 11.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
They shoulda done that the day after Sept 11.
Election year....and you guys think Bush is stupid...keep thinking that! I don't believe they're through with surprises yet, 80 days to the election.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The honor of using the title "Rip-n-paste" is only bestowed on those who paste in a timely manner. ;)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127156&referrerid=3203
Welcome to last week. :D
(Howya doing this morning banana? Good week end?)
LoL...you guys crack me up:lol
btw...I had a great weekend. Here in Houston a "cold" front moved in....lol. Temps ranging from lows in the upper 60s to highs in the upper 80s-low 90s....wooohooo! OH! and humidity in the...I dunno, but less than 90%.:D
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But really..Within a week after the 9/11 attack..all non-esential troops in Europe should have been re-deployed for an immediate attack on Osama(and his terrorist followers).
Bin Laden family member's should have been imprisoned in Cuba instead of being flown out of the USA to safety.
Afganistan should have been hit hard within the first 3 weeks.
All resources should have been put into toppling Taliban forthright...and pressuring Arab governments into reforming and fighting/capturing Al Quida within this terrorist breeding ground.
Iraq...though a nuicance..kept contained(non threatening nation compared to Osama Bin Laden's army)
Made it his first priorty as president to tackle this situation headon..bypassing the usuall election year initiatives/action measures that are so predictable(and sadly..always too late).
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Originally posted by SirLoin
But really..Within a week after the 9/11 attack..all non-esential troops in Europe should have been re-deployed for an immediate attack on Osama(and his terrorist followers).
Bin Laden family member's should have been imprisoned in Cuba instead of being flown out of the USA to safety.
Afganistan should have been hit hard within the first 3 weeks.
All resources should have been put into toppling Taliban forthright...and pressuring Arab governments into reforming and fighting/capturing Al Quida within this terrorist breeding ground.
Iraq...though a nuicance..kept contained(non threatening nation compared to Osama Bin Laden's army)
Made it his first priorty as president to tackle this situation headon..bypassing the usuall election year initiatives/action measures that are so predictable(and sadly..always too late).
I nominate SirLoin for pres.
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Originally posted by slimm50
LoL...you guys crack me up:lol
btw...I had a great weekend. Here in Houston a "cold" front moved in....lol. Temps ranging from lows in the upper 60s to highs in the upper 80s-low 90s....wooohooo! OH! and humidity in the...I dunno, but less than 90%.:D
Sounds great! I've heard that Texas is getting mild weather this summer, excellent! We've had 1 or 2 days of rain since May, thats it. Typical summer weather, 55 deg evenings, 85 deg days, and 60% humidity.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Sounds great! I've heard that Texas is getting mild weather this summer, excellent! We've had 1 or 2 days of rain since May, thats it. Typical summer weather, 55 deg evenings, 85 deg days, and 60% humidity.
Wow, I didnt know the weather around myanus was that mild.:D
Really now, where are you talking about?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
But really..Within a week after the 9/11 attack..all non-esential troops in Europe should have been re-deployed for an immediate attack on Osama(and his terrorist followers).
Bin Laden family member's should have been imprisoned in Cuba instead of being flown out of the USA to safety.
Afganistan should have been hit hard within the first 3 weeks.
All resources should have been put into toppling Taliban forthright...and pressuring Arab governments into reforming and fighting/capturing Al Quida within this terrorist breeding ground.
Iraq...though a nuicance..kept contained(non threatening nation compared to Osama Bin Laden's army)
Made it his first priorty as president to tackle this situation headon..bypassing the usuall election year initiatives/action measures that are so predictable(and sadly..always too late).
That's true, Sirloin, but you know what they say about hindsight.
At least the administration is learning from their lack of foresight and is doing something about it now.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
But really..Within a week after the 9/11 attack..all non-esential troops in Europe should have been re-deployed for an immediate attack on Osama(and his terrorist followers).
Bin Laden family member's should have been imprisoned in Cuba instead of being flown out of the USA to safety.
Afganistan should have been hit hard within the first 3 weeks.
All resources should have been put into toppling Taliban forthright...and pressuring Arab governments into reforming and fighting/capturing Al Quida within this terrorist breeding ground.
Iraq...though a nuicance..kept contained(non threatening nation compared to Osama Bin Laden's army)
Made it his first priorty as president to tackle this situation headon..bypassing the usuall election year initiatives/action measures that are so predictable(and sadly..always too late).
What a joke... Sorry Sir Loin I dont buy it.
It would take waaay moere than three weeks to shift our forrces from europe to afghanistan.. Heck look at all the trouble it took yiour glorious clinton and general clark to move just a small force from germany to kosovo... But you want them moved to afghansitan immedfiately.. Right...
Lets see, what next. Imprison all bin laden family members in cuba... OK.. Why? You left wingers are against the long term detentions without charges in cuba. Remembere, due process and such stuff.. What would YOU charge them with?
Hit afghaniostan hard in the first 3 weeks. OK... Well knowinng you, as a liberal, "hard" means a few crusise missles. But lets look at the real world.
We attacked afghanistan in the first week opf october. 3 weeks after 911. In that time we had to:
Build world coalition - remewmber thats really imprtant to you UN lefty guys...
Get overflight and base rights from Pakisatan (HUGE) and the other nations around afghanistan. We even got support from iran IIRC.. I guess all that wasnt really needed? Right? I mean who cares if get in a war with pakistan abecuase they dont like our fighters over their caountry... Remember Musharaff had to make a tough decision..
We had to plan the attack and get to know the situation in country.
We had to get troops there and get ships close to the area...
Finally we gave taliban an ultimatum to turn over the terrorists without a war.
Then we attacked... Three weeks...
Of course you dont care. None of this matters, you are just trying to bash Bush..
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Originally posted by slimm50
Wow, I didnt know the weather around myanus was that mild.:D
Really now, where are you talking about?
ROTFLOL!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
(Seattle area)
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Now u see Grunwitch..if GWB had pounced on Osama like you pounced on my veiws..
Well..That's my point.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Now u see Grunwitch..if GWB had pounced on Osama like you pounced on my veiws..
Well..That's my point.
Why limit it to Bush? Why not expand that to Clinton? Ooohhh, because HE is not the POTUS now...(nor does it fit your political rant) ;)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Now u see Grunwitch..if GWB had pounced on Osama like you pounced on my veiws..
Well..That's my point.
Thats it? Thats all you could come up with to support your arguments?
Amazing! :)
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Grun, do you think the capture or killing of OBL should be a priority for the US? ;)
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So long as I don't lose my PX, it's OK.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Grun, do you think the capture or killing of OBL should be a priority for the US? ;)
Of course, definently is one of the things we need to do.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Grun, do you think the capture or killing of OBL should be a priority for the US? ;)
it would make no difference - maybe make matters worse
it'd be like the time I stepped on a huge spider when I was about 10 years old. Must have had an egg sac ready to burst cause next thing I knew there were hundreds of tiny spiders scattering across the driveway....
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I don't understand the analogy Eagler. Al-Quaida is by it's nature a very disconnected organisation. I don't see how capturing or killing OBL would make them spread more.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I don't understand the analogy Eagler. Al-Quaida is by it's nature a very disconnected organisation. I don't see how capturing or killing OBL would make them spread more.
M-A-R-T-Y-R
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
M-A-R-T-Y-R
Yeah but why would he be more dangerous as martyr than he is now? A rallying symbol of Al-Quaeda? He's already that. And he's also shown that he's gotten away with 9/11 up to this point. I think it would be a huge blow to Al-Quaeda for OBL to be captured/killed. And I think it would be a great symbol of success for the west if he was captured killed.
Look at SH, he went from a powerful symbol to a pathetic old moron in two seconds. I think that OBL could be likewise turned into a focus for redicule.
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Great minds in action.
Since Bush has failed to capture or kill Osama..it would be bad to do so..lol
Unless they are going to hire 70000 new troops they need someone to man the permenant basing that is being built in Iraq.
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So why the hell do we still have so many soldiers and airmen stationed in Germany, the threat of the roo...err red-horde has passed (largely). Pull em all out and if you want them in that neck-of-the-woods send them to Poland or Estonia, you know countries that value the USA as allies. I'm sure eastern Europe could use the billions of dollars our service men and women pump into the local ecomonies.
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At the beginning of the summer, a South Korean Foreign Ministry official said the United States had told him it would like to withdraw a third of its 37,000 troops stationed on the peninsula by the end of next year.
It's about 'frigging' time..... Get them out of Germany as well.....
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Originally posted by Eagler
it would make no difference - maybe make matters worse
it'd be like the time I stepped on a huge spider when I was about 10 years old. Must have had an egg sac ready to burst cause next thing I knew there were hundreds of tiny spiders scattering across the driveway....
Osama is enemy number one but you think it is probably better that the US does not capture him?
NK is a threat or not? Why remopve 1/3 of the forces for from NK. They either are a threat or they are not. I would not want to be the 1/3 left in the NK if they went south because of poor diplomacy. Talk about wake island.
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Originally posted by Otto
At the beginning of the summer, a South Korean Foreign Ministry official said the United States had told him it would like to withdraw a third of its 37,000 troops stationed on the peninsula by the end of next year.
It's about 'frigging' time..... Get them out of Germany as well.....
I think if your going to evaluate the threat and pull out troops from NK, pull them all out or leave them there. Just my opinion.
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I've already mentioned my opinion on Germany. If you cant make NATO play, this is the only real alternative because of the lack of troops in IRAQ and Afganistan. Beets the draft in 05 and reduces the stress on the reserves. Foreign policy has failed in Europe with the allies.
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same reason we don't kill sadr
yes if we could capture OBL or the other cheekbones yes better but to kill either would kick in my spider story...
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Thats one of the reasons why the Vietnam war was lost. The leadership was not bombed. That guy in Iraq who is beheading people, Zerqawi. He should be killed along with Sadr and Osama. During wwII the allies tried to get Hitler, if they did, wwII would have ended much sooner.
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Originally posted by Eagler
same reason we don't kill sadr
yes if we could capture OBL or the other cheekbones yes better but to kill either would kick in my spider story...
They went for Yamamoto and that was probably one of the best things they did to end the war in the pacific. It probably at least affected Japans late war naval campaigns in the pacific. In reality it probably affected much of Japans strategy and we are talking about a military structure with leaders ready to assume command of another. The terrorist network would have to restructure itself.