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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K0N on August 16, 2004, 10:07:50 AM
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OR is that Crack safe zones
anyone else seen the news talking about this?
What a concept.... They also want canadian Government to provide Crack for them to smoke as well...
Wouldn't providing a recovery program be a better choice for these addicts rather then feeding the problem by throwing more crack at them?
IKON
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Feed them lots of crack and the problem will sort itself RIGHT out.
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I believe it's the British Columbian government that's doing this, not the Canadian government.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I believe it's the British Columbian government that's doing this, not the Canadian government.
Am I missing something here? :confused: What nation does the British Columbiam government belong to?
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Originally posted by Maverick
Am I missing something here? :confused: What nation does the British Columbiam government belong to?
You've just been "Thrawned", master of deflection. ;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
Am I missing something here? :confused: What nation does the British Columbiam government belong to?
Hmmm... does the Canadian government still recognize the sovereignty of its states?
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So can canadian states enact slavery without interfdearence from the national govenment? IMO this kind of program is little better than slavery...
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Originally posted by Maverick
Am I missing something here? :confused: What nation does the British Columbiam government belong to?
The Mass. state government (yes judicary) said that gays can marry, does this mean that the United States federal government said that gays can marry? Of course not. It's the same difference with the British Columbia provincial government, and the Canadian federal government.
Rip,
"You've just been "Thrawned", master of deflection."
You just never give up an opportunity to display your ignorance do you?
Sandman,
"Hmmm... does the Canadian government still recognize the sovereignty of its states?"
The Canadian provinces have never been soverign. They were British colonies that were confederated into a Dominion of the British Empire, then existed under our Constitution.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So can canadian states enact slavery without interfdearence from the national govenment? IMO this kind of program is little better than slavery...
Explain the comparison please, I don't see where you are coming from with this. To answer your question, no Canadian provinces can't enact slavery as it is against our Constution.
"7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/#libertes
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Sandman,
"Hmmm... does the Canadian government still recognize the sovereignty of its states?"
The Canadian provinces have never been soverign. They were British colonies that were confederated into a Dominion of the British Empire, then existed under our Constitution.
Got it. Thanx.
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The 'War on Drugs" is the dumbest thing this country has ever done and one of the most expensive. It's nothing but Price Support for Colombian Drug Lords. All the average citizen gets out of this is a better than average chance of being robbed and beaten by addicts trying to get enough money to buy the over priced drugs.
If you make drugs easily accessible the problem will quickly go away....
"What about the children...???" That's easy, tell kids not to use drugs...
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They are all the Queens little biatches no matter how you call it.
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
They are all the Queens little biatches no matter how you call it.
dago
We can change our constitution without royal ascent. The Queen or Governor General, only have as much power as we as Canadians decide to let them have. We do control our own destiny.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
We can change our constitution without royal ascent. The Queen or Governor General, only have as much power as we as Canadians decide to let them have. We do control our own destiny.
You will reap what you sow...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You will reap what you sow...
An american is a moon is a moonman....
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Originally posted by Thrawn
An american is a moon is a moonman....
Just wanted to add, Vancouver is definately a different city today than it was in the late 70's and early 80's when I used to visit....I'd say they dropped the ball when it comes to drug abuse.
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Nah, they attached rockets to it, to see if they make accelerate towards the ground that much quicker.
Welcome to Vancouver: Heroin Junkie Captial of the World!
I wouldn't like if my province enabled drug users with my tax dollar.
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Originally posted by Otto
If you make drugs easily accessible the problem will quickly go away....
I believe that's a very short-sighted view. I admit I could be mistaken, but I believe as soon as the Federal Gov't gets involved in the distribution/ control of drugs to the degree you're espousing, all kinds of social programs will find themselves dependent on "drug money". Not to mention the increase of crooked politicians. Sorry, that was redundant. It'll be as big a cash cow as tobacco ever was and the problem won't simply "go away". On the contrary we'll end up with even more people dependent on those drugs, plus an ever-growing apathetic citizenry. IMHO.
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i beleive the reasoning is something like this
1st. keep the addicts alive so they can get into a recovery program by ensuring what they get is clean
2nd. put dealers out of business by providing cheaper safer crack.
3rd. so far nothing else has worked.
slimms right. to a degree, as i pointed out providing cheap and easily accessible drugs to people who are already junkies will help end the problem as the dealers, who are in it for the money, will suddenly lose there buyers. basicly it will take the incentive for selling drugs away, and if you position the "safe areas" correctly you can also put kids of trying drugs in the first place as they will see what happens if they do.
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I am junk food junky, I would like the canadian government to provide me a safe place to eat junk food and also provide 3 meals of junk food per day.. If you provide me cheap and easily accessable junk food it will help end my dependancy and the junk food dealers will lose me as a buyer and after losing all junk food buyers, soon the junk food providers wil go out of business..While your at it run junk food ads that explain to kids what happens when you eat junk food and the problem will go away...just like that...
Surre it will
IKON
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Originally posted by 1K0N
I am junk food junky, I would like the canadian government to provide me a safe place to eat junk food and also provide 3 meals of junk food per day.. If you provide me cheap and easily accessable junk food it will help end my dependancy and the junk food dealers will lose me as a buyer and after losing all junk food buyers, soon the junk food providers wil go out of business..While your at it run junk food ads that explain to kids what happens when you eat junk food and the problem will go away...just like that...
Surre it will
IKON
poor poor analogy...
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Originally posted by vorticon
i beleive the reasoning is something like this
1st. keep the addicts alive so they can get into a recovery program by ensuring what they get is clean
2nd. put dealers out of business by providing cheaper safer crack.
3rd. so far nothing else has worked.
slimms right. to a degree, as i pointed out providing cheap and easily accessible drugs to people who are already junkies will help end the problem as the dealers, who are in it for the money, will suddenly lose there buyers. basicly it will take the incentive for selling drugs away, and if you position the "safe areas" correctly you can also put kids of trying drugs in the first place as they will see what happens if they do.
Vort, I hear what you're sayin, but since when has the fed been able to operate any program efficiently, and how long ya think it would be b4 this program grew into something its originators wouldn't recognize? I simply don't trust government to pull something like this off. If (when) a program like this goes awry the consequences could be catastrofic. Just too much room for corruption.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Vort, I hear what you're sayin, but since when has the fed been able to operate any program efficiently, and how long ya think it would be b4 this program grew into something its originators wouldn't recognize? I simply don't trust government to pull something like this off. If (when) a program like this goes awry the consequences could be catastrofic. Just too much room for corruption.
hmm...true, but since its a BC thing, limited to a smallish part of vancouver, and probably going to be very closly monitored by the police, it shouldent have to much trouble. and given the alternatives, its worth a shot
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Originally posted by vorticon
hmm...true, but since its a BC thing, limited to a smallish part of vancouver, and probably going to be very closly monitored by the police, it shouldent have to much trouble. and given the alternatives, its worth a shot
lol, I was thinkin U.S. gov't tryin it here. Might work where you are.
But I still doubt it.
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Feed them lots of crack and the problem will sort itself RIGHT out.
Curval, you must have seen the cult classic "Frankenhooker." Of course the problem there was unsorting them out :)
http://www.badmovies.org/movies/frankenhooker/
Charon
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I think the idea is to provide a safe environment for the crack heads etc to get thier fix. You know, clean needles and a mom to give you cookies later.
The government doesn't supply the drugs.
However, the whole idea reeks. We don't need to supply these idiots with a "safe" environment. We don't need to spend money on this type of BS. Any form of support, federally or provincially, for this type of behavior only enables them further.
I liked it much better in the old days, when we didn't really care what happened to the junkies. Harsh, but there ya go.
To many damn bleeding hearts and not enough bubblegum to go around.
RTR
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What happend to the junkies is that they were taken by the dozens to a pig farm in the fraser valley, raped murdered and fed to the pigs.
People started to realize that we were not keeping careful count of these people or caring what happend to them..so they were very suseptable to horrible abuse that none of us would feel so cavelier about if it were our children. Now that 10s of millions of dollars have been spent filtering dna out of pig crap to find out how many of these missing female junkys were consumed someone figures that maybe some small fraction of that might be worth while to spend on trying to keep them alive.
I never saw a link to the original story though. Someone got one?
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Originally posted by Pongo
What happend to the junkies is that they were taken by the dozens to a pig farm in the fraser valley, raped murdered and fed to the pigs.
People started to realize that we were not keeping careful count of these people or caring what happend to them..so they were very suseptable to horrible abuse that none of us would feel so cavelier about if it were our children. Now that 10s of millions of dollars have been spent filtering dna out of pig crap to find out how many of these missing female junkys were consumed someone figures that maybe some small fraction of that might be worth while to spend on trying to keep them alive.
I never saw a link to the original story though. Someone got one?
I think I might have eaten some of that bacon, I have this tendency to oink when pleasuring the wife down there...
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Originally posted by vorticon
poor poor analogy...
how bout this.
next time im in canada I expect FREE BEER. God knows we cant have my drunk bellybutton sitting on the sidewalk drunk, I might get run over. Plus I might have to rob a few people in order to get my BEER.....yes socialism rocks! FREE BEER FOR EVERYONE!
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Originally posted by Otto
The 'War on Drugs" is the dumbest thing this country has ever done and one of the most expensive.
And second comes "The war on terrorism"
Sorry couldnt resist.
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Originally posted by Maniac
And second comes "The war on terrorism"
Sorry couldnt resist.
Yep, we should just hide in the closet. Yep yep.
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Nah, why not take care of the nutcases like you always have... Without the drama...
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Originally posted by Maniac
Nah, why not take care of the nutcases like you always have... Without the drama...
We are..Saddam is in jail...bin hidin is hidin'. ;)
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We have methadone clinics here in florida, the line in the morning is long...The concept is that if one has a cold or flu they get medicine to treat it so in turn heroin addicts need methadone to overcome the withdrawal symptoms which in the case of methadone addicts need to be monitored for heroin use while being treated... "Not meant to be a lecture"
This type of clinic appears to be an excellant program if they can help save a few people of the many....
Crack users dont need more crack, they need help to get off the crack... anything else is just smoke and mirrors to appease some wierd form of blackmail that drug users seem to convince people to give them more drugs and they will just magically go away..
IKON
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metadone is still and addictive drug. It gets yu high also.
either drugs are legal or they are illegal.
If you want to get off drugs then you need to simply quit. If you want to stay on drugs then no law will make you quit or make you any less dangerous to yourself or society.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You will reap what you sow...
you should know (how's the rebuilding of WTC going?)
how much further will you trade deficit grow? (oh..what a surprise..no one is buying stuff made in the U. ASS. A.?)
I hope bush wins ... you all deserve him
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
you should know (how's the rebuilding of WTC going?)
how much further will you trade deficit grow? (oh..what a surprise..no one is buying stuff made in the U. ASS. A.?)
I hope bush wins ... you all deserve him
You are a small..., silly..... little man.... of no value, or purpose.
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you should know (how's the rebuilding of WTC going?)
I applaud your ignorance. You shouldn't even bring something like that up. Have respect for people familes who had love ones die on 9/11. I could go on to explain how only a moron would make a comment like that. Or how your stuck in your own lil world and can careless how your actions/words might effect others. But I won't, Otto said it best
You are a small..., silly..... little man.... of no value, or purpose.
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Originally posted by Jayclark
I applaud your ignorance. You shouldn't even bring something like that up. Have respect for people familes who had love ones die on 9/11. I could go on to explain how only a moron would make a comment like that. Or how your stuck in your own lil world and can careless how your actions/words might effect others. But I won't, Otto said it best
You are a small..., silly..... little man.... of no value, or purpose.
Only frustrated people who cannot tolerate the truth come up with such assinine comments. Reap what you Sow is a 2 way street chump, don't like it, don't accept it, thats not Xtoronto's fault but your own.
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Originally posted by SLO
Only frustrated people who cannot tolerate the truth come up with such assinine comments. Reap what you Sow is a 2 way street chump, don't like it, don't accept it, thats not Xtoronto's fault but your own.
Care to elaborate on that? Seems the frustration is aparent from the type of post designed only to cause hate and discontent. A very shallow comment combined with a personal attack.
AFAIC xtoronto is way out of line with that WTC crack. If he thinks that a terrorist attack is justified he needs to find another bbs to lurk on IMO. :mad:
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Originally posted by SLO
Only frustrated people who cannot tolerate the truth come up with such assinine comments. Reap what you Sow is a 2 way street chump, don't like it, don't accept it, thats not Xtoronto's fault but your own.
You make Toronto look like an 'Educated Man'.
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Only frustrated people who cannot tolerate the truth come up with such assinine comments. Reap what you Sow is a 2 way street chump, don't like it, don't accept it, thats not Xtoronto's fault but your own.
Nope not fustrated one bit.... Yep everyone on 9/11 deserved to die. Because Reap what you sow is a two street. Ok that makes it all better. It makes it all better that you defending someone not having the common sense to bring something like that up. Where do you get of calling me a chump. I had a good laugh about that one. Shows me your intellgence. See I would call you names to. But I think I can keep the maturity level of a 6th grader. Assinine comments? Heh I think your refering to Xtoronto on that one. I guess you haven't read any of his post he has posted else where.
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Originally posted by Maverick
AFAIC xtoronto is way out of line with that WTC crack. If he thinks that a terrorist attack is justified he needs to find another bbs to lurk on IMO. :mad:
depends on what side of the fence you're sitting on, and it never stopped you guys from posting about missile launches you made against them.
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Slo do you think it was justified? I won't flame you for it or nothing. I would like to share opinions. Since I'm not on the other side of the fence. I would like to see what one thinks about them on the "other side". And even if you do think it was justified. You can't honestly think Xtoronto was in the right with that joke. Its not about who is right or wrong. Its about respect for other people who lost family members on 9/11. And I think you could agree with that.
P.S Is the forums slow for anyone else today?
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Originally posted by SLO
depends on what side of the fence you're sitting on, and it never stopped you guys from posting about missile launches you made against them.
I find I want to visit Canada less and less every post.
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Originally posted by Pongo
What happend to the junkies is that they were taken by the dozens to a pig farm in the fraser valley, raped murdered and fed to the pigs.
People started to realize that we were not keeping careful count of these people or caring what happend to them..so they were very suseptable to horrible abuse that none of us would feel so cavelier about if it were our children. Now that 10s of millions of dollars have been spent filtering dna out of pig crap to find out how many of these missing female junkys were consumed someone figures that maybe some small fraction of that might be worth while to spend on trying to keep them alive.
I never saw a link to the original story though. Someone got one?
Are you serious? and thats why this whole story got started?
thats intense...!!
IKON
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Originally posted by SLO
depends on what side of the fence you're sitting on, and it never stopped you guys from posting about missile launches you made against them.
SLO
There was, nor is, any justification for that attack (911). Frankly you have just confirmed the opinion I had formed from your earlier post. It's nice to know you think so highly of terrorists.
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I doubt he is saying that you 'deserved' the 911 attacks, just that there was a reason for them, hence, reap what you sow. If you interfere in other countries for long enough, it is likely that someone will retaliate in some way at some point. That dosent justify what the terrorists did. It just brings them down to the level of others. Anyway, this is way off the original topic.
I live in BC, and I dont really like seeing my tax dollars going to these safe houses. I'm suprised actually that this is happening with our current government. Just another kneejerk bandaid.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Care to elaborate on that? Seems the frustration is aparent from the type of post designed only to cause hate and discontent. A very shallow comment combined with a personal attack.
It was an attack on him or his country in particuler and he responded with his own attack. Don't like it, don't attack him or his country :aok
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Originally posted by Rino
I find I want to visit Canada less and less every post.
your loss not mine.
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Originally posted by Jayclark
Slo do you think it was justified? I won't flame you for it or nothing. I would like to share opinions. Since I'm not on the other side of the fence. I would like to see what one thinks about them on the "other side". And even if you do think it was justified. You can't honestly think Xtoronto was in the right with that joke. Its not about who is right or wrong. Its about respect for other people who lost family members on 9/11. And I think you could agree with that.
P.S Is the forums slow for anyone else today?
wanna know what the other side thinks, READ about it, just not from your alphabet soup news station. there is always 2 sides to a coin, its for you to get educated and make informed decisions.
and no I didn't like what Xtoronto said, was a little harsh in my book, but when you attacked him and his country(which is mine too)he was justified in punching back.
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Originally posted by Maverick
SLO
There was, nor is, any justification for that attack (911). Frankly you have just confirmed the opinion I had formed from your earlier post. It's nice to know you think so highly of terrorists.
There was and is no justification for you too invade Iraq, spare me your righteous indignation.
I see you like too jump too conclusions, so be it, next time try asking what I think instead of thinking on your own, cause in your case it might be dangerous.
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After seeing your posts I do not care what you think. You are beneath contempt and notice. If you were interested in saying something cogent you had ample oportunity to do so in your earlier posts without having to be asked later what you meant. :rolleyes:
You either think that terrorist attacks on civilians are justified or are a troller of the worst sort. Either way your posts are no longer any interest to me.
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Originally posted by Maverick
After seeing your posts I do not care what you think. You are beneath contempt and notice. If you were interested in saying something cogent you had ample oportunity to do so in your earlier posts without having to be asked later what you meant. :rolleyes:
You either think that terrorist attacks on civilians are justified or are a troller of the worst sort. Either way your posts are no longer any interest to me.
you are repeating the same thing you said earlier.
You lack the ability of perception my friend, I tend to listen to BOTH sides before I make a decision, something you lack from your self-centered ego education. What you think and don't think I really couldn't care less, but you just showed your a low level thinker, and here you are trying to be righteous. Spare me would ya.
and just FYI, the attack on 9/11 WASN'T just an attack on you Americans, but on Democracy itself, but since you have a kind of ego thinking problem you actually believe it was an attack on just you, no wonder we will never agree.
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Amazing.
Ripsnort makes a joke about dozens of women being abducted, raped tortured and murderd and not a pip. Not one single word.
Yet look at the rightous indignation about the thought that muslim terrorists might have justifications for their actions that to them make sense.
bin ladin wanted the US out of saudi arabia. It has worked 100 percent. He spent 17 lives, killed 1000s of americans and 100s of canadians and got the US out of Saudi Arabia. The most successful terrorist in history.
Maverick. Obviosly the war on terror has to be fought. But not because your enemy is some demonic evil. But because they are your implacable enemy. They will not concede or stop so the forces of the west cannot.
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When did I attack his country? I never said nothing about Canada in anyway. I attack him because of what he said and what he has said in many many different post before. And no I don't get my information from by alphabit stations either. I hardly watch news excpet local for the weather because all of them lean to one side or another.
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In your eyes you were justified in sending Missiles....
In their eyes they were justified in using planes as a Missiles.....
now, how do we fix that.
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now, how do we fix that.
Honestly I don't think anyone has a answer for that. They don't follow "the rules of war" I know, I know, rules in war kind of ironic. You can't simply fight em at one place and push them back because its not a single country. And the difference from us sending missle and them using planes. They intended to hurt civilians. We do not. We intend to hurt people known to be terrioist. I know you can say we'll you did. But not on purpose. Thats the only reason I don't see it justified. The US has many military targets they could of hit. But they had to hit the WTC. Justified to me, no. To you maybe so. And thats fine people aren't ment to think a like.
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Jayclark.
Have you seen the footage from desert storm of the phone companys getting taken down with laser guided bombs? Who works at the phone company?
Who works at the pharmicutical factory in sudan or where ever?
They targeted the Pentagon and the White house.
The trade center attacks were formulated to inflict maximum civilian casualitys which is a big difference from current US military stratagies I grant, but you know that civilian casualties will be accepted in any US military action. Yes they honestly seem to minimize those casualtyies. They even degrade thier military capability in pursuit of minimizing enemy civilian casualties while the terrorists attempt to maximise civilian casualties even amongst thier allies...
there are huge differences between the two sides of course. That is why the US has many many allies in the war on terror. But civilians dieing doesnt constitute the litnus test of good vs evil.
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I have seen DS footage. Don't know if I have seen footage of those. I understand that the U.S. and every other country has killed civilians in time of war. But there is a reason to hit such objects. Not just to make a point and kill lots of people like terroist will do. We as Allies don't intend nor want to kill civilians. It just happens, sometimes it has to been done. Althought there has to be a better way in doing it. If the U.S. was to kill thousands of people. In a non war state. It wouldn't be justified. It would be plain out wrong. But yet when it happens to us. People have the need to say you deserve it. I don't think any civilian deserves to die when two countries are at war. When I hear about an Iraqi civilian died or how many civilians are dead so far. I don't say its justified you had a cruel leader. I don't know anyone who does.
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I didnt say you deserved it. I said that being a civilian doenst invalidate you as a war target in anyone books.
And obviosly bin ladin had decared war on the US.
That was clintons bigest failure in my mind. He never accepted that his country was at war.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Jayclark.
Have you seen the footage from desert storm of the phone companys getting taken down with laser guided bombs? Who works at the phone company?
Who works at the pharmicutical factory in sudan or where ever?
They targeted the Pentagon and the White house.
The trade center attacks were formulated to inflict maximum civilian casualitys which is a big difference from current US military stratagies I grant, but you know that civilian casualties will be accepted in any US military action. Yes they honestly seem to minimize those casualtyies. They even degrade thier military capability in pursuit of minimizing enemy civilian casualties while the terrorists attempt to maximise civilian casualties even amongst thier allies...
there are huge differences between the two sides of course. That is why the US has many many allies in the war on terror. But civilians dieing doesnt constitute the litnus test of good vs evil.
Not to a Canadian apparently, one big difference you guys
seem to miss is that Saddam attacked Kuwait first. Then Bin
Laden attacked the US first. Then the US gave the opposition
many many months to cooperate before attacking, plus warning
of what was to come.
Of course these little factoids mean nothing to you because
your hatred blinds you to the "other" side as surely as you
claim ours does for us. I still haven't heard what horrible thing
the US has ever done to the muslim middle east to "deserve"
their hatred. I guess buying oil and supporting Israel is akin
to pitchforking babies?
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That was clintons bigest failure in my mind. He never accepted that his country was at war.
I agree with you on that.
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Rino.
If I were to answer your question you would attribute it to hate and hate me more. If you really seek to know how 911 came to pass and how such hate came to be focused on your country then you can find out very easily.
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Originally posted by Rino
Not to a Canadian apparently, one big difference you guys
seem to miss is that Saddam attacked Kuwait first. Then Bin
Laden attacked the US first. Then the US gave the opposition
many many months to cooperate before attacking, plus warning
of what was to come.
Of course these little factoids mean nothing to you because
your hatred blinds you to the "other" side as surely as you
claim ours does for us. I still haven't heard what horrible thing
the US has ever done to the muslim middle east to "deserve"
their hatred. I guess buying oil and supporting Israel is akin
to pitchforking babies?
You are protecting your OIL INTERESTS, you supported the Mujahaddin WITH BIN LADEN as a member, you supported SADDAM HUSSIEN, you attacked a SOVEREIGN NATION with the excuse that it was an IMMINENT THREAT to you Country and to your countries INTEREST.
15 of the TERRORIST were from Saudi Arabia, SA deserved to get its prettythang kicked, but no, INTEREST are more important then the truth....and trust me, IRAQ was an excuse too further your interest in that region of the world.
so spare me your one dimensional vision would ya, its pathetic.
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Canadian Crack Safehouse, uh-oh...does that mean Rush LimpJaw will be vacationing in BC?