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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on August 18, 2004, 01:07:44 PM
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Britain/France August 1941
England
Boston
C-47
Spitfire V
Hurricane IIC
M Series
Panzer (or Sherman if available)
Axis
Ju-87 Stuka
Ju-88
Ju-52 (C-47)
Bf 109F-4
C202*
Bf 110C-4b
M Series
Panzer
* - exchange squadron at limited fields
Fuel: 1.0
Dar: Full Friendly and Enemy
No CV's
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I think this is my favorite setup of them all.
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Now we just need a JG2 or JG26 skin for the 109F.
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I agree sarbe. BTW forkster, lets try no full enemy, just MA setting's with 6.0 icons. im willing to bet it will bring more numbers to the CT.
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Set fuel burn rate to 1.5 please. BOB map is huge, but fields there even closer than it was in old small BOB map and nobody (ok, may be almost nobody) fly deep in enemy territory. In last BOB setup 50% fuel was quite enough.
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Panzer (or Sherman if available)
that would be great if they made the M4 before this setup goes up
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
I agree sarbe. BTW forkster, lets try no full enemy, just MA setting's with 6.0 icons. im willing to bet it will bring more numbers to the CT.
I will take quality over quantity any day.... like they say bigger isn't always better...
Stream
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Well I dont know what FULL enemy radar is!!! It is supose to be that way now but I see DOTS only inside radar circle. Icons are D6 friendly and D3 enemy.
SO how about explain what FULL is please.
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go friendly icons only and it would be great - thanks
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Aww... wish I had a sub... and a job to pay for it... and a joystick that wasn't Logicrap/Crapitech/Logitech, so I could actually pull more than 1.1 gees before I spike/spin out.
I love that type of setup. Wish I was there.
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Originally posted by Eagler
go friendly icons only and it would be great - thanks
Just say no to dot chasing.
Sorry, but this idea is horrible.
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Originally posted by Eagler
go friendly icons only and it would be great - thanks
not possible.
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BTW this says august 1941. Im going to pretend you mean 1942 right? 41=BoB 42=Channel dash:confused:
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BoB = Aug/Sept '40.
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Bf109F-4's are owned, against 16+ overboosted SpitVs.
Damn!
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Doesn't the 109F4 have a pretty good speed and climb advantage?
And suprise suprise, one of the new skins we got today was a channel front JG2 109F4. :)
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Originally posted by Sable
Doesn't the 109F4 have a pretty good speed and climb advantage?
Yes it does. Even with the gondies its faster and climbs better. Pretty darn even match if you ask me, not like say....oh...Zekes vs F4U's..
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I kilt me a few F4Us in mah Zeke, Billy Bobsan. ;)
Ok - CT page reflects new setup:
http://www.jollyrogers.info/Combat_Theater.html
To be fair, I put up music reflecting a German martial flavor. I'll be damned if my feet didn't start tapping. To top it off, I'll probably be flying grey this week.
And they say hangin' around `em don't mean you'll catch anything. ;)
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Best part of it is we got new skins to toy with :D
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
Best part of it is we got new skins to toy with :D
and with no icons you'd actually get in close enough to appreciate them..
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Originally posted by Oleg
Set fuel burn rate to 1.5 please. BOB map is huge, but fields there even closer than it was in old small BOB map and nobody (ok, may be almost nobody) fly deep in enemy territory. In last BOB setup 50% fuel was quite enough.
Fuel was 1.0 last time
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Bf109F-4's are owned, against 16+ overboosted SpitVs.
Damn!
No he's right the SpitV in AHII is waaaaaaaaaaaay overboosted. you may want to consider the Spit IX as opposed to the porked SpitV. or the corresponding seafire I forget which one that is.
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Originally posted by storch
Fuel was 1.0 last time
I know, therefore i ask for 1.5 in coming setup.
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Flew the respective fighters at 10,500 ASL WEP engaged 50% Fuel Burn multiplies 1.00 offline. I didn't test the Hurri IIc because I suspect it is still quite slower.
SpitV/Seafire II 359 mph but phenomenal accelleration. it is indeed boosting 16
Bf 109 F 367 mph no gondies 200 rds in the nose cannon
Bf 109 F 356 mph with gondies 450 rds of cannon
Bf 110 c 325 mph
So this week we have the best turners and the fastest fighters on the same side. Another looooooooong week.
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Originally posted by Sable
Now we just need a JG2 or JG26 skin for the 109F.
You should have my 109F-4 skin now.
Josef Puchinger, Stab./III./JG2
The default F4 skin is Hans "Assi" Hahn, Stab./III./JG2 IIRC.
Originally posted by Kweassa
Bf109F-4's are owned, against 16+ overboosted SpitVs.
Damn!
The 109F-4 is running at 1.42 ata which at least according to Butch it wasnt cleared for until mid / late '43.
max continous (MIL) =38.9 MP = 1.30 ata
38.9 / 28.96 = 1.34 ata (1.30 pyro's math is off. He knows so and said so in another thread)
WEP = 42.2 = 1.42 ata
42.2 / 28.96 = 1.46 (again pyro's math is off).
Even with it running at 1.42 ata it runs for 10 min on "WEP" despite the rl 5 min restriction. Some LW planes are actually over modelled to a degree despite all the whining we generally hear .
Here's the speed test I did on the 109F-4:
Bf 109F-4 100% fuel 1 x 20mm / MG 151 200 rpg, fuel mod set to lowest value.
SL
Military Power – SL 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 310 MPH
Emergency Power – SL 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 332 MPH
5k
Military Power – 5000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 328 MPH
Emergency Power – 5000FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 350 MPH
10k
Military Power – 10000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 347 MPH
Emergency Power – 10000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 365 MPH
15k
Military Power – 15000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 364 MPH
Emergency Power – 15000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 381 MPH
20k
Military Power – 20000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 382 MPH
Emergency Power – 20000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 394 MPH
22.5k
Military Power – 22500 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 383 MPH
Emergency Power – 22500 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 387 MPH
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One quick correction
The 1.30 ata power setting was actually climb and combat power and had a 30 min limit. In AH its unlimted.
The 1.42 ata setting was limited to just 3 min but could sustain up to 10 min provided the engine did not overheat.
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Storch,
Where'd you get 367mph for the Bf109F-4?
Are you the guy that was trying to tell me the Bf109G-10 in AH on does 425mph? If so that would explain quite a bit.
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Bf 109 F 367 mph no gondies 200 rds in the nose cannon
10,500 ASL WEP engaged
Is about right....
at 100% Fuel I got:
10k
Military Power – 10000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 347 MPH
Emergency Power – 10000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 365 MPH
But that's not at best altitude. The Spit 5 performance falls off dramtically the higher you go.
At 15k the 109F-4 will have np with the Sipt 5.
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I have one simple request ............................. .........................
NO FLASHING FIELDS
No vehicles so no flashing fields
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Originally posted by Karnak
Storch,
Where'd you get 367mph for the Bf109F-4?
Are you the guy that was trying to tell me the Bf109G-10 in AH on does 425mph? If so that would explain quite a bit.
The only thing I ever tell you is that your poetry sucks. :D
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Osprey's book "Spitfire Mk V Aces" by Alfred Price has an appendice on page 87, listing both the Merlin 45 and Merlin 46 as being 16 lb boost engines.
"Spitfire VB W3134 tested May 1941
RR Merlin 45 EMERGENCY COMBAT POWER (WEP in Aces High)1515 bhp at 11,000 ft at +16 lbs boost
Max speed 371 mph
This was a first production Spitfire V with combat gear"
"Spitfire VA (tropicalised) X4922 tested early 1942
RR Merlin 46 EMERGENCY COMBAT POWER (WEP in Aces High)1415 bhp at 14,000 ft at +16 lbs boost
Max speed 363 mph"
Im paraphrasing of course.
Way overboosted? according to who?
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I'll be the lone C202 carving up the spitts and huuricanes... Bring it on!!! :D
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I'm sure you will see Oldman and I in the 202, its one of the Offical Gunfighters squadron rides.
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Oh really... so your going to show all of us your augering technique in this plane too? I'll circle over head and write down some pointers... :D
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Originally posted by VWE
Oh really... so your going to show all of us your augering technique in this plane too? I'll circle over head and write down some pointers... :D
We are adept at demonstrating this most difficult of aerial maneuvers.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
We are adept at demonstrating this most difficult of aerial maneuvers.
- oldman
Thats one of the reasons the squad is so small, its very hard to meet our standards of auger technique, in both level of difficulty and style.
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Well as long as you stay low to the ground you might catch some over zelous spit driver droppin in from low orbit and over speeding into a flaming auger themselves. :aok
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Originally posted by VWE
Well as long as you stay low to the ground you might catch some over zelous spit driver droppin in from low orbit and over speeding into a flaming auger themselves. :aok
Thats the first move a prospective Gunfighter must learn. Veterans like Oldman and I have that move down so well we can do it subconsiously and make it look like it was a total accident. Sometimes just to rub it in we might even fake confusion by saying "Huh? what happened?".
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I have never had a problem with the Bf-109F4 vs Spit V. It's a good match up.
Now this would be a GREAT week if the FW-190A5 was to make it's way into the arena....
:p
Crumpp
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Well, if this is going to be a 2-week setup and there are going to be aircraft inserted into the setup, I'd like to see the Fw190A-5 about 1/2 way through (next Wednesday/Friday-ish) and have the SpitIX & Bf109G-2 introduced 3 days later. Just my $0.02
BTW I'm looking forward to this setup, it should be a great one.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by detch01
Well, if this is going to be a 2-week setup and there are going to be aircraft inserted into the setup, I'd like to see the Fw190A-5 about 1/2 way through (next Wednesday/Friday-ish) and have the SpitIX & Bf109G-2 introduced 3 days later. Just my $0.02
BTW I'm looking forward to this setup, it should be a great one.
Cheers,
I was going to offer up the very same suggestion.
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Originally posted by storch
I was going to offer up the very same suggestion.
Not a bad idea. Let's see if the spit5 turns out to be uber enough that it needs some sort of antidote.
- oldman
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If done that way the Spit IX and Bf109G-2 should be added before the Fw190A-5. They're both 1942 aircraft and the Fw190A-5 is a 1943 aircraft.
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Originally posted by Karnak
If done that way the Spit IX and Bf109G-2 should be added before the Fw190A-5. They're both 1942 aircraft and the Fw190A-5 is a 1943 aircraft.
Very true, but the performance difference between the Fw-190A-2 and A-3 and the A-5 is fairly minimal IIRC. And, the LW introduced to A2 and A3 at about the same time in response to the Spit V. It would be better if we had the early Fw's available though.
Cheers,
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"Not a bad idea. Let's see if the spit5 turns out to be uber enough that it needs some sort of antidote"
Like we haven't seen this matchup 3 dozen times already. Whats the big mystery? Btw Im not complaining, its a good setup, tried and true. I wouldn't mind seeing an early 1942 setup where the LW got the Fw190 as well, we should have that in the rotation from time to time too. Differences between the A-5 and the earlier models are not so pronounced it matters that much.
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From the fighting I saw tonight things seemed very balanced. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the Fw190 enabled after a week or so as long as we then add the Spit IX a few days later to even things back up again.
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Differences between the A-5 and the earlier models are not so pronounced it matters that much.
Actually that is not true. The FW-190A5 should represent an improvement in zoom climb and dive acceleration over the FW-190A3.
It will take a hit slightly in turn radius, level speed, and sustained climb angle over the FW-190A3.
For Jagd-einsatz's the FW-190A5 should be about the worst one between the FW-190A3 and FW-190A8.
Not to Hijack the thread.
Reasons:
FW-190A3 and FW-190A5 had exactly the same power ratings.
Only Jabo-einsatz's could use the C3 "emergency power" and only under 1 Km.
The FW-190A5 gained 128Kg with no gain in Horsepower over the FW-190A3.
The FW-190A8 gained 166kg over the FW-190A5 but it also gained almost 250Hp in useable power. It's power to weight was almost the same as the FW-190A5 (difference is in the hundredths) and the extra weight increased it's zoom climb and dive acceleration. Wing loading was only increased 3 lbs per sq ft. The FW-190A8 would have been a better energy fighter with comparable maneuverability.
Crumpp
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Oh, and a much better armament package.
Crumpp
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Actually, I wasn't posting because of any perceived misbalance in the plane set, which I think is good as it is. I was thinking more along the lines of a "rolling plane set" type of idea, similar to the introduction of the F4U1D and the removal of the F4f in the last setup.
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I was thinking more along the lines of a "rolling plane set" type of idea, similar to the introduction of the F4U1D and the removal of the F4f in the last setup.
I agree. I also think there is a need for the early FW's to be modeled in the future.
Crumpp
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Yup, we need the A-3.