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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: humble on August 19, 2004, 10:58:15 AM
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Sign back up and the game "assigns me" to ROOKS:eek: ...which also happened to be side with highest numbers at the time (kind of suprised at that). Anyway I decided to fly a couple hops...
Naturally went to base being pounded....my FM-2 was reduced to a "blue light special on Isle 3" before I could even get the tail wheel up...gee not much different than being a Knight:D I thought.
Anyway, decide once is enough and move over to next base and grab a 109 G-2....
1st thing I notice is the full dial is "spinning" I mean I can SEE it moving (gonna take some getting used to)....as I climb out I point to the mid point between enemy base and capped field....now...
I'm hereing and seeing (text) alot more info than I was used to as a Knight. As I climb out to an "operational alt"...usually 12k or so for me...I see some dot's...call em out...wow...actually get a response...close on in to Identify 3 190's a jug and a lower spitty...as I'm perusing my options one of the 190's forces my hand...as I reorient and fly the "merge" I start to look around and update the SA....AND...there's a friggin voice in my ear telling me whats happening and giving me options and info (all good:aok )...its cobra412...anyway he clears my 6 as I try and engage the spitty...which breaks...back to help cobra and then back to the capped field...pick up a couple of scalps and fall to a hog as I'm trying to help clear the vulch cap (even a 6 call there)...
As a "single" I'll move to the lowest #'d side while we work thru the #'s issues...but make no mistake if most of the rooks are like the guys I flew with last night they got their #$% wired tight. <<>> :aok
(added at edit) BTW it was great to see and fly (kind of) with the 327th Steel Talons (my old AW squad) a great bunch of guys and from what I saw last night a big part of the ROOK mashing machine:aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by humble
Sign back up and the game "assigns me" to ROOKS:eek: ...which also happened to be side with highest numbers at the time (kind of suprised at that). Anyway I decided to fly a couple hops...
Naturally went to base being pounded....my FM-2 was reduced to a "blue light special on Isle 3" before I could even get the tail wheel up...gee not much different than being a Knight:D I thought.
Anyway, decide once is enough and move over to next base and grab a 109 G-2....
1st thing I notice is the full dial is "spinning" I mean I can SEE it moving (gonna take some getting used to)....as I climb out I point to the mid point between enemy base and capped field....now...
I'm hereing and seeing (text) alot more info than I was used to as a Knight. As I climb out to an "operational alt"...usually 12k or so for me...I see some dot's...call em out...wow...actually get a response...close on in to Identify 3 190's a jug and a lower spitty...as I'm perusing my options one of the 190's forces my hand...as I reorient and fly the "merge" I start to look around and update the SA....AND...there's a friggin voice in my ear telling me whats happening and giving me options and info (all good:aok )...its cobra412...anyway he clears my 6 as I try and engage the spitty...which breaks...back to help cobra and then back to the capped field...pick up a couple of scalps the fall to a hog as I'm trying to help clear the vulch cap (even a 6 call there)...
As a "single" I'll move to the lowest #'d side while we work thru the #'s issues...but make no mistake if most of the rooks are like the guys I flew with last night they got their #$% wired tight. <<>> :aok
Yup, I noticed the same thing in reverse. I fly Rooks, but also fly Knights occassionally. It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. I'm Rooks because of all my long-time friends are on Rooks. But, I'd want to be Rooks anyways, numbers or not. You just can't put a price on great teamwork, mutual support and communication, it has a pronounced 'amplification' effect on everyone's performance.
Just the other night I was Knights, helping against a Bishop CV attack. It was me and about 7 Knights, 40dogmaw and some others I recognized. I was doing like I do on Rooks, clearing 6's, calling out new contacts and enemy moves. No one says anything, no one types anything. I begin to wonder if my vox is porked, I ask on range channel if my vox is working. I get the reply, "Nope we hear you fine". I ask, "You guys don't talk much do ya?". The reply, "No, we're just listening to you, thanks for all the information". Anyways to make a long story short, we made short work of the Bishop's attack, and as is their trademark they quit, with their CV still intact to go fly greener pastures.
I think so many people have never been on Rooks, they are not even sure what good teamwork is. It never occurred to those Knights I was with to communicate, although they appreciated the effect my communication had on our overall success. When Slapshot speaks of Rook comraderie, this communication factor is a HUGE part of that. Why the other countries haven't picked up on that and emulated it to some degree is beyond my comprehension. Surely, those that complain about Rooks, "Coming out of the woodwork" and even Rooks gang-banging must realize this all happens do in great part to the fact we are always communicating, we are always telling each other where we are, where the enemy is (heading, alt and vector) and other basic combat information on range, country and vox.
Zazen
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Did the doctor perscribe what it is you are on Zazan.. It is common knowledge in Bishland that the ROOKS are easiest kills! In fact some of us have given up hunting Knights this TOD! :rofl
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Originally posted by Thunder
Did the doctor perscribe what it is you are on Zazan.. It is common knowledge in Bishland that the ROOKS are easiest kills! In fact some of us have given up hunting Knights this TOD! :rofl
Really? Is that a fact? Here's some stats...
Tour 55 (To date):
Bishop Kills of Rooks: 41,616
Rooks Kills of Bishops: 48,720
Bishop K/D vs. Rooks: 0.85 Kills per Death
Rooks K/D vs. Bishops: 1.17 Kills per Death
For comparison:
Bishop Kills of Knights: 40,277
Knight Kills of Bishops: 43,400
Bishop K/D vs. Knights: 0.93 Kills per Death
Knight K/D vs. Bishops: 1.08 Kills per Death
So, you were saying? ;)
Zazen
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Obviously #'s are a critical element BUT it was pretty easy to see in even 30-45 min of gameplay that the overall communication was MUCH better than what I was used to. In Niggit land we had "Missions" and by and large they were well thought out and run...BUT...I can't tell you how often we'd seem to be dialed in on accomplishing one set of goals and all of a sudden you'd get "big mission in 5 minutes...sigh up" and your stuck 1/2 way to target...often you end up with the current attack/defense fizzling out and the "new attack" taking over...only to be snuff out by a 3rd mission 40 min later.
No experience with the Bisquits yet but as soon as I see them with lowest #'s I'll hop on over...
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. Zazen
(snipped for brevity)
I may have only been playing for just over a week, but this sounds like complete bull to me. I've been up every night (from btwn 1800 and 1900 until usually around 2200 EDT) as a Knight.
There's plenty of comms and chk 6's etc going on...country channel and voice. No complaints here.
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Originally posted by humble
Obviously #'s are a critical element BUT it was pretty easy to see in even 30-45 min of gameplay that the overall communication was MUCH better than what I was used to. In Niggit land we had "Missions" and by and large they were well thought out and run...BUT...I can't tell you how often we'd seem to be dialed in on accomplishing one set of goals and all of a sudden you'd get "big mission in 5 minutes...sigh up" and your stuck 1/2 way to target...often you end up with the current attack/defense fizzling out and the "new attack" taking over...only to be snuff out by a 3rd mission 40 min later.
No experience with the Bisquits yet but as soon as I see them with lowest #'s I'll hop on over...
I'll fly Bishops once in a while to get film of certain people, like Greebo in his F6F for my archives. But, to be honest, I'd rather have a root canal than fly for Bishops. Bishops have no staying power, they get their butts wupped and give-up. That's not really what I'm looking for in teamplay, compound that with poor to non-existant communication and well...you get the idea. I have recommended every Rook spend a week as Bishops then come back, only then will they realise how good they have it as a Rook
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Originally posted by Crashy
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I may have only been playing for just over a week, but this sounds like complete bull to me. I've been up every night (from btwn 1800 and 1900 until usually around 2200 EDT) as a Knight.
There's plenty of comms and chk 6's etc going on...country channel and voice. No complaints here.
I think you caught 'em at a good time. I've been playing for two years now and while I won't say their communication is non-existant it is certainly in short supply.
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I was at A22 last night. Sehob, DKPotter and some others were too. There were constant updates on where the enemy was, what he was, were he was going and warnings if I was threatened. I gave the same back to others.
We were all Knights.
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Originally posted by humble
As a "single" I'll move to the lowest #'d side while we work thru the #'s issues...but make no mistake if most of the rooks are like the guys I flew with last night they got their #$% wired tight. <<>> :aok
Yes I'm a rook but im still amazed as how we have all worked as a team these past few weeks. People have stepped up, taken the initiative and it does show. I've seen fights over water when its just myself and two other rooks co-alt with 5-6 cons. Fight em with a little communication, teamwork and some nice flying and we come out 6-0. Its really nice to see only a few people who don't even know eachother really back up their 6's.
Other countries probably see this same picture on their ends, but for the rooks, its definitely always a challenge.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I was at A22 last night. Sehob, DKPotter and some others were too. There were constant updates on where the enemy was, what he was, were he was going and warnings if I was threatened. I gave the same back to others.
We were all Knights.
It's been 15 hours since I've played Knights, maybe they've improved since then . ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Crashy
(snipped for brevity)
I may have only been playing for just over a week, but this sounds like complete bull to me. I've been up every night (from btwn 1800 and 1900 until usually around 2200 EDT) as a Knight.
There's plenty of comms and chk 6's etc going on...country channel and voice. No complaints here.
I spent 4+ years as a Knight...I will always be a "Knight"...but I'll tell you I've never seen that level of intuitive dialogue. It's not just 6 calls or "local teamwork". Almost every call/request was not just answered but acted on. I flew a 38 "attack" hop after the 109 flight. I knew more about the "lay of the land" inbound without asking a single question than I'd get as a knight with a dozen "Hvy 38 inbound to XXX, 2x1000/10 rckt...what needs TLC".
You could sense that folks were listening and ACTING on what they saw/heard. Trust me...it is different than what your used to. Certainly something I'll take with me when I rotate on out. It's a higher standard than I'm used to (or have provided myself to others) for sure...
A qoute from REDTOP in another thread....
"When I was lone wolfing a bit..I flew with the rooks as well for about a month. It WAS more comraderie. Why this is I have no idea. I was and am a Knight. Not just because of some loyalty but because they were the underdog as were the bish.
I came back to knights as I had more friends here and didn't like the idea of shooting down old squaddies
I wish I knew how the rooks did it..or what they have that promotes that comraderie. I'll stay knights as long as the squad Im in wants to. If they ever want to change countries then I'm sure we will go wherever we go.
If the Knights could get the same mojo as the Rooks...They would be in my opinion just as if not better than the rooks."
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"I wish I knew how the rooks did it..or what they have that promotes that comraderie. "
it started back 3 yrs ago or so when we Rooks were so out numbered all the time .... ( we had to keep a good total SA of the whole arena just to survive the way we did back then )
then came the RJO's (rook joint operations) were we got even more organized and started getting even for all those resets we lived thru in the early days .
I still miss those out numbered days and stick to flying more late at night when the numbers are close to even .
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Originally posted by humble
I spent 4+ years as a Knight...I will always be a "Knight"...but I'll tell you I've never seen that level of intuitive dialogue. It's not just 6 calls or "local teamwork". Almost every call/request was not just answered but acted on. I flew a 38 "attack" hop after A qoute from REDTOP in another thread....
Oh, I've no doubt about what you said. I just took exception to the way Zaz portrayed the Knights.
And Redtop is wrong...nothing better than shooting down squadmate ;)
(well as long as they aren't a bunch of score-potatos..)
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Flyin' for the rooks is the best.
Last night during squad nite, I found myself in a 1 vs 4 (or 5) at v54 after trying to help a squadie (I was a little late getting there :D)
So, here I am twisting and turning thinking a 2 vs 4 would have been much better, when out of the blue, another rook comes down, telling me to rope and he'll clear my 6.
POW! my 6 is cleared and the two of us go into a impromptu loose duece and promptly clear the remaing bandits. The whole time communicating back and forth.
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know a rook I don't even fly with will come on down and dance in the weeds just to clear a "6".
GROUP HUG!!!! :D
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Guys and Girls,
All I keep hearing is that flying rook is so much better than the other countries. This may be because those in other countries, like myself, have not been properly taught how to be helpful. May I suggest that some of the rooks change sides to help us along. It will make our side friendlier and will even make the game more fair since the sides would be more balanced.
Regards
Acetnt
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Man, and here I thought this was gonna be a blow by blow
"Took off with 15 friends to go hit an undefended base. Saw one enemy plane 10k lower than us, 3 of us went after him, but when we found out he wasn't AFK we dove to the deck and ran back home. Landed. One safe landing! Go me!
Next Sortie: Well, I'm feeling pretty brave after that last successful sortie, so I decided to go on another base attack. Just me and 43 of my closest friends. Man, it is so scary flying around at 37k with only 43 other people around you. You just know an asteroid could come out of the sun and hit you at any minute. We didn't see anybody this time, guess whoever planned this attack did a good job!
Next Sortie: Well, my streak continues. To date I am 478 / 0 against fuel tanks. The last one almost got away, but I was in my Typh, so I just held the trigger down as I dove from 15k. It was very scary going to the target that low, but I kept WEP on the whole time so nobody would catch up to me. I did have one Bish that tried to follow me home, but I got on country channel and yelled for help like this "HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP I MIGHT HAVE TO FIGHT !!!! OH MY GOD NO!!! SOMEONE PLEASE COME QUICKLY!!!" Lucky for me, 18 rooks heard me, and in no time flat there were 10 La7s, 5 P51s, and 3 other Typhs on the poor dweeb. I turned back around once he started fighting the other 18, but he died to fast. So we all talked some **** about how great we are, then we landed. I think I should get an assist for that. Maybe even a full kill. After all, that guy wouldn't have died if he hadn't been chasing me. Maybe I'll make a post on the BBS about it."
I had so much fun in Rookland today. I'll talk to you tommorrow diary, after I play with my girlfriends some more. "
I think that's probably how a typical day in Rookland goes.
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hehe....
I haven't had that kind of fun yet, but where I was flying we were outnumbered 2 of the 3 hops. Overall #'s were pretty even with rooks having a small edge...I flew a Jug hop this AM and rooks were lowest (or I'd of switched) but we had most bases by far. Local #'s were even but we seemed to have a bit of an edge...i.e. I was getting to them vs defending inbounds.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
It's been 15 hours since I've played Knights, maybe they've improved since then . ;)
Zazen
You're lucky any knight cooperated with you or gave you a check six. Lots of us know you by now ;->
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Originally posted by X2Lee
You're lucky any knight cooperated with you or gave you a check six. Lots of us know you by now ;->
All the more reason not to even bother trying to help get the numbers balanced.
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Originally posted by Modas
Flyin' for the rooks is the best.
Last night during squad nite, I found myself in a 1 vs 4 (or 5) at v54 after trying to help a squadie (I was a little late getting there :D)
So, here I am twisting and turning thinking a 2 vs 4 would have been much better, when out of the blue, another rook comes down, telling me to rope and he'll clear my 6.
POW! my 6 is cleared and the two of us go into a impromptu loose duece and promptly clear the remaing bandits. The whole time communicating back and forth.
It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to know a rook I don't even fly with will come on down and dance in the weeds just to clear a "6".
GROUP HUG!!!! :D
Yup, that happens alot on Rooks.
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Originally posted by Xargos
All the more reason not to even bother trying to help get the numbers balanced.
Why are you a snide "I am rook and we are the best in the game type person"? I use my comma key more than I use my flaps or gun keys.
But I dont really care if the sides are balanced Id rather kill hurris and p40s.
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what suprises me constantly in these type of threads is how people come to the "aid" of their country touting that is is juat as good or whatever.
thing is, in my 2.5 years here, i have yet to see a post from someone saying
"i flew for the bish / knights last night for the first time and WOW they are great to fly with".
it always seems to be someone who flys with us rooks, and is pleasently suprised. why is that?
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Originally posted by JB73
last night for the first time and WOW they are great to fly with".
it always seems to be someone who flys with us rooks, and is pleasently suprised. why is that?
Well thats simple, ask Zazen.
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hey im just recalling my first few months as a knight... someone would suggest something, and immediatly be acused of being a "little hitler" or "napolean" or "little general" whatever.
funny that has never happened as a rook in over 2 years.
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Hmmm, which knits did ya fly with? There's always plenty of chatter when I'm on.
Here's a knit story from last night:
Me and two squaddies roll into a base (A29?) in 2 osties and I'm driving an m3. Osties start taking down town, attacked by a Spit and a Mossie. Osties hit nme planes knock 'em down a couple of times. 110 ups and finds me, blam I reup and start driving back over, blam field gun finds me, reup start driving back over. Make it through this time, 3 knits - field captured.
"So, here I am twisting and turning thinking a 2 vs 4 would have been much better, when out of the blue, another rook comes down, telling me to rope and he'll clear my 6."
Amazing how rooks can conjur up e in a "tight" 1 v. 4 (or 5) turnfight to make it a rope and clear. How long you guys had RATO's on your fighters? Did he clear all 4 (or 5)?
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Hey 73!!
IMHO I think the reason Rooks communicate goes back to the days when the rooks were the whipping boy. One of the main reasons the JB's moved to rooks is the level of communication the Rooks demonstrated. It was right after a Rook reset several years ago when the Rooks had the lowest numbers, but through team work the Rooks were able to overcome being the underdogs.
One thing I've noticed is the established Rook squads even on squad nights, will let the stragglers and smaller squads fly with them, treating them as squadmates for the most part.
RJO is just another way the Rooks organized. It was done to show numbers on one planned night so that we could open a can of whoop a**.
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I think one prob the Nits have is that they were dominated by the M.A.W. for too long. If the MAW werent involved in what was going on, there probably werent enough peeps to get it done. MAW dont talk much (or at least they didnt way back when I flew Nit) to peeps outside their group, as they are sposed to stay on squad vox for organizational purposes. My last nigt as a Nit (couple-three years ago)...strongest memory was a lone spit killing my goon as it approached town... MAW mission to a different base was 5-10k over my head....despite pleas...none of em came down. Went Rook next day. Anyhow, Saturday nights dont usually have 30-40 MAWS anymore, and the slack doesnt seem to have been picked up.
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I didn't mean this post as a "one side is better" deal. As someone who never actually flew for "another team" I was suprised that I could TELL I was on a different side so quickly. Regardless of the numbers issue their is something to be said for the Rook "team chemistry". Today Rooks were still not highest # so I stayed since I could only fly 1 hop or two....happened to up at A25 (Was under attack)...got up in an la-5, was able to tool around helping out till i got down to bingo fuel..got killed trying to land. Another vulchee deal on relaunch so took a 38 out of A42...was just JB73 in town in GV...amazingly rooks out of woodwork as soon as I hit cap (along with a few others and base cleared in 5 min)...again faster better quicker than I'm used to as a knight. I will always be a "knight" but that doesnt mean you dont give credit to the other guys for doing things right.
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ive flown all three countries...
they are about the same to me. sometimes i get calls and help, sometimes i dont.
I still give out the info to everyone.
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Originally posted by humble
was just JB73 in town in GV...amazingly rooks out of woodwork as soon as I hit cap
Hey, I saw ya there Humble :)
It was pretty impressive how quickly guys reacted.
Your right about "My side is better than yours" Thats not really true, each country is populated by many fine people. Nobody is Better. Each Country may have a flavor, Rooks seem to have alot of interaction between members of other Rook squads. communication is really open. It happens to fit for a bunch of people. It doesnt make Rooks better, its just our flavor.
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Ah, the good old days. I joined the Rooks immediately after subscribing seeing how they were always outnumbered. I though that they could use another pilot, and that it would be better with a target rich environment ... well at least I was right about the Rooks needing pilots ;). I remember one of my first great "experiences" flying for Rooks, I had probably not been playing for more than a month, and was lonewolfing in a Dora.
One of our bases was taking the full brunt of the Bish steamroller and I thought it might be a good idea to run interference. I climbed to 25K (perhaps now you Knits and Bish understand why Rooks are altmonkeys, we learned the hard way that alt is life) and flew over to the Bish base being used as staging point for the steamroller. Once there I attacked the 20 or so Bish that were constantly in the process of upping and climbing towards our base. I managed to cherry pick a few unobservant pilots, and forced some others to jettison their ord.
After a while I had 10+ angry Bish circling and climbing to get this pesky Dora that was buzzing over their airfield making poor half-assed gun passes on their steamroller effort. I had come to the point where all I could do was spiral climb, I was totally defensive and was trying to plan my escape when I suddenly heard a voice on vox.
"Hang in there GS, we're almost there!"
Having those 10+ Bish on my six and disrupting their operations had allowed the Rooks to break the siege and were now pushing the Bish back to their own base. 15 minutes later a Rook goon dropped troops on their flattened town and I landed my first multi kill sortie in AH. I was so proud. :)
I miss that time. I'm a Rook and proud of it.
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Originally posted by Karnak
There were constant updates on where the enemy was, what he was
Yeah, but Check 6s don't really count as enemy position reports...
;)
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yup, I noticed the same thing in reverse. I fly Rooks, but also fly Knights occassionally. It's really weird being on Knights after flying for Rooks. Noone says anything, nobody is typing any information on country or range channel. There's almost no communication whatsoever. I'm Rooks because of all my long-time friends are on Rooks. But, I'd want to be Rooks anyways, numbers or not. You just can't put a price on great teamwork, mutual support and communication, it has a pronounced 'amplification' effect on everyone's performance.
Just the other night I was Knights, helping against a Bishop CV attack. It was me and about 7 Knights, 40dogmaw and some others I recognized. I was doing like I do on Rooks, clearing 6's, calling out new contacts and enemy moves. No one says anything, no one types anything. I begin to wonder if my vox is porked, I ask on range channel if my vox is working. I get the reply, "Nope we hear you fine". I ask, "You guys don't talk much do ya?". The reply, "No, we're just listening to you, thanks for all the information". Anyways to make a long story short, we made short work of the Bishop's attack, and as is their trademark they quit, with their CV still intact to go fly greener pastures.
I think so many people have never been on Rooks, they are not even sure what good teamwork is. It never occurred to those Knights I was with to communicate, although they appreciated the effect my communication had on our overall success. When Slapshot speaks of Rook comraderie, this communication factor is a HUGE part of that. Why the other countries haven't picked up on that and emulated it to some degree is beyond my comprehension. Surely, those that complain about Rooks, "Coming out of the woodwork" and even Rooks gang-banging must realize this all happens do in great part to the fact we are always communicating, we are always telling each other where we are, where the enemy is (heading, alt and vector) and other basic combat information on range, country and vox.
Zazen
i always am yappin either on range, team , or texts , both country and 200, and i notice too the lack of comunication, theres only a few players that will come help when i call out an attack on the 1mc....
pilots like us should start our own country, lol nobody would stop us:aok
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Originally posted by Widewing
Yeah, but Check 6s don't really count as enemy position reports...
;)
My regards,
Widewing
:rofl
Classic.
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Originally posted by humble
I didn't mean this post as a "one side is better" deal. As someone who never actually flew for "another team" I was suprised that I could TELL I was on a different side so quickly. Regardless of the numbers issue their is something to be said for the Rook "team chemistry". Today Rooks were still not highest # so I stayed since I could only fly 1 hop or two....happened to up at A25 (Was under attack)...got up in an la-5, was able to tool around helping out till i got down to bingo fuel..got killed trying to land. Another vulchee deal on relaunch so took a 38 out of A42...was just JB73 in town in GV...amazingly rooks out of woodwork as soon as I hit cap (along with a few others and base cleared in 5 min)...again faster better quicker than I'm used to as a knight. I will always be a "knight" but that doesnt mean you dont give credit to the other guys for doing things right.
I know what you meant, and I enjoyed flying with you.
I'm not saying Rooks are better either.
I wouldn't want them to be. Equal countries make better fights and better wars.
You are not alone in what you are saying either.
You know Hitech says that a check of accounts shows the difference between the countries to be in single digit percentage points, yet the Rooks seem to have more people flying more often. Is what you describe the reason (or perhaps COULD what you describe be the reason)? And if it is, why can't the same happen for the Bishops and the Knights?
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Originally posted by JB66
Hey 73!!
IMHO I think the reason Rooks communicate goes back to the days when the rooks were the whipping boy. One of the main reasons the JB's moved to rooks is the level of communication the Rooks demonstrated. It was right after a Rook reset several years ago when the Rooks had the lowest numbers, but through team work the Rooks were able to overcome being the underdogs.
One thing I've noticed is the established Rook squads even on squad nights, will let the stragglers and smaller squads fly with them, treating them as squadmates for the most part.
RJO is just another way the Rooks organized. It was done to show numbers on one planned night so that we could open a can of whoop a**.
Oh absolutely.
Like the JB's, a squad I have a great deal of admiration for, in the 327th, we always try to include loners and other squads in our runs, squad night or not. We have several guys that just live to create a mission.
Something I noticed about that. Squads that do that never have "recruiting" in their name, nor do they have recruiting posts. They don't NEED to. Being very friendly and including others along with co-operation seems to draw new members constantly. We pick up new people every month. And we always have people asking if they can fly with us and join on the squad channel.
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Oh we are so extreme unbelievable totally tubular good.
we love ourselfs and everything else sux.
i admire us
where just to good.
:rolleyes:
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Clearly all that cooperation is causing problems for the majority of players. We need to find ways to cooperate that don't piss them off. :lol
Wish there was a way to make the game work for both the cooperative player and the individual player without taking too much away from either or to get some kind of leadership going in each country that coordinates and builds teamwork so that the competition becomes more balanced.
Hope in the end we can all make that work before too much is changed to drive the game in one direction.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Man, and here I thought this was gonna be a blow by blow
"Took off with 15 friends to go hit an undefended base. Saw one enemy plane 10k lower than us, 3 of us went after him, but when we found out he wasn't AFK we dove to the deck and ran back home. Landed. One safe landing! Go me!
Next Sortie: Well, I'm feeling pretty brave after that last successful sortie, so I decided to go on another base attack. Just me and 43 of my closest friends. Man, it is so scary flying around at 37k with only 43 other people around you. You just know an asteroid could come out of the sun and hit you at any minute. We didn't see anybody this time, guess whoever planned this attack did a good job!
Next Sortie: Well, my streak continues. To date I am 478 / 0 against fuel tanks. The last one almost got away, but I was in my Typh, so I just held the trigger down as I dove from 15k. It was very scary going to the target that low, but I kept WEP on the whole time so nobody would catch up to me. I did have one Bish that tried to follow me home, but I got on country channel and yelled for help like this "HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP I MIGHT HAVE TO FIGHT !!!! OH MY GOD NO!!! SOMEONE PLEASE COME QUICKLY!!!" Lucky for me, 18 rooks heard me, and in no time flat there were 10 La7s, 5 P51s, and 3 other Typhs on the poor dweeb. I turned back around once he started fighting the other 18, but he died to fast. So we all talked some **** about how great we are, then we landed. I think I should get an assist for that. Maybe even a full kill. After all, that guy wouldn't have died if he hadn't been chasing me. Maybe I'll make a post on the BBS about it."
I had so much fun in Rookland today. I'll talk to you tommorrow diary, after I play with my girlfriends some more. "
I think that's probably how a typical day in Rookland goes.
Maybe it is a typical Rook day...
Maybe the Rooks have goals and not just want to furball all the time...you can't talk **** about them for that.
Maybe high alt is a good tactic?
Maybe good communication and teamwork makes AH for the Rooks more fun.
With your logic it should always be low alt even match up? 1 v 1 or 2 v 2 or so on.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Oh we are so extreme unbelievable totally tubular good.
we love ourselfs and everything else sux.
i admire us
where just to good.
:rolleyes:
Bug, you know, I can sympathize with your problem of having the P-38 restricted, I've had it happen to me as well, and few love the P-38 more than I do.
But in this case you have to acknowledge that some of the people offering such high praise for the Rooks are players from other countries. People who find it oddly impressive how well Rooks work together are often people who normally fly Knights or Bishop.
One more thing. Since you are so pissed off about the ENY balance system taking your favorite plane, perhaps you should lay blame for that where it belongs, at the feet of the people who fly Knight and or Bishop who complained so long and loud about numbers that Hitech was FORCED by them to do something. In the event that you complained constantly about numbers, and I'm not saying you did, maybe you didn't, you helped convince Hitech he needed to take your plane when your side had numbers. Think about it.
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Originally posted by acetnt367th
Guys and Girls,
All I keep hearing is that flying rook is so much better than the other countries. This may be because those in other countries, like myself, have not been properly taught how to be helpful. May I suggest that some of the rooks change sides to help us along. It will make our side friendlier and will even make the game more fair since the sides would be more balanced.
Regards
Acetnt
Rather than have Rooks switch, why not have leaders for Knights and Bishops step up and work on their own problems? The best solutions come from within.
From what I've heard from Rooks who DID swap sides for a while, it certainly did not make that side more friendly, especially to the Rook who swapped sides. I hear a lot more stories about being told to "shut up", "mind your own six", "stop being a little general", and "hey, you're a spy". Not what I'd call a warm reception.
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One more thing. Since you are so pissed off about the ENY balance system taking your favorite plane, perhaps you should lay blame for that where it belongs, at the feet of the people who fly Knight and or Bishop who complained so long and loud about numbers that Hitech was FORCED by them to do something. In the event that you complained constantly about numbers, and I'm not saying you did, maybe you didn't, you helped convince Hitech he needed to take your plane when your side had numbers. Think about it.
I can't believe that you wrote that paragraph.
I don't think that anybody FORCES HiTech to do anything.
There is no "blame" here and there is no need to try to assign blame.
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A long time ago in a virtual world far, far away. The Rooks were the underdog.
The Bish and Knits had overwhelming numbers, and dominated the Rooks easily.
There were a few Rook Jedi who organized the beaten Rooks into a formidable Force for good. And the numbers remained low, but the Rooks fought on, and it was fun.
The evil Bish Empire had overwhelming numbers and conquered all with an iron fist.
Then there was a tremor in the force, before you knew it, the evil Bish Empire crumbled, and numbers were once again in balance, if for only a short time. And the masses didn't bother HT (who is the true Empereor). And he went on to create a new virtual world for the masses.
While HT was busy creating new worlds, the numbers changed once again, for some reason unknown to all, the Rooks who had fought the good fight, attracted the hoard, and the Rook numbers soared.
And now the underdog former dominating Bish Empire and their Knit counterparts, are once again pestering the true Emperor. Seeking "Balance" in the force.
The Rook Jedi are laughing at the Bish and Knit stormtroopers, remembering what it was like to be the underdog. Ah, the good old days
Sarcasm off.
I actually miss the times when the Rooks were outnumbered. There were plenty of fights, and everyone covered everyone.
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Originally posted by kj714
Amazing how rooks can conjur up e in a "tight" 1 v. 4 (or 5) turnfight to make it a rope and clear. How long you guys had RATO's on your fighters? Did he clear all 4 (or 5)?
Acutally, no RATO for me. I personally prefer my nuclear sub-light drive which actually provides increased effciency. Its a special upgrade after you acrute a certain high number of perk points.
Seriously, its all about managing E. A twisting turn fite does NOT automatically imply that I am out of E. And not, he did not clear all 4. I got two of 'em, a spit and nik IIRC.
Now, I have to go back to working on my sub-light drive. Got a couple of hoses to replace
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You're lucky any knight cooperated with you or gave you a check six. Lots of us know you by now ;->
I know this feeling... The other day The knits were attacking a base and I did (rook tactics) the blow up all alt grabbin fools on the next base on the attack line.. By such lowering the alt of the counterattack at the base we were attacking... (this is how we steam roll your bases as rooks.. its not rocket science it works..)
Well after some time in the d40 it was time too bug... (airlons missing etc..) Well my escape vector was well away from the current base we were attacking (i flew out to sea with no cons in my forward 160 degrees..) and im thinking clear sailing ahead... Well some dots i see over the base start heading my direction.. on my 9:00 oclock Im constantly checking the vox/dar and shure enough i see SunKing on the local vox range channel.. I go "dont bring those cons to me im low alt in 47 with dammage,I cant help you.." I get nothing... Now in vis range of sunking... "Hey im at your low 3 oclock dont bring those cons chasing you to my postion out here at sea."( im totally away from battle ) I get a "what" this time in the text buffer..
Now i type into the text buffer "SunKing do not bring those cons to my low dammaged aircraft..."
He changes course and comes on a near angle approach to my escape vector.. (he trying to use me as his fodder for his escape im thinking wtf.. he's clearly out running his pursuers what is he doing?)
Shure enough i see in the distance following him, p51 then la7 then Shiden.. And lo and behold the lead, mustang like i said was getting outrunned so he dives on the magical fodder offering sunking just presented before them... with no options against 3 late late war aircraft my dammaged d40 falls...
Back in rookland this cowardice is shunned.. Maybe it was honest mistake i doubt it though.. When he changed course then i knew it was fodder attack method.. (fishu used to do this one.. alot..)
See apparently the knits dont understand the concept that every bird in the air counts...(even people you dont like) On a defensive that means that a minimum of 2-3 mins of flight time is required for a successful base defense aircraft to be effective.. In this case over enemy territory the time line is more along 5-10 minutes depending on the distance... When the rook guantlet happend this was realised that every stinking bird in the air is important.. Its simple time in the air to be effective vs dying then reupping with climbout times.. This is why rooks clear eachother's sixs..
Im not discouraged though and will stay knit.. But with friends/ teammates like these who needs enemies...
DoctorYo
PS: Note not all knits are doing this but ive seen it twice now with sunkings the most recent.. (thats two times too many in my book..)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I know what you meant, and I enjoyed flying with you.
I'm not saying Rooks are better either.
I wouldn't want them to be. Equal countries make better fights and better wars.
You are not alone in what you are saying either.
You know Hitech says that a check of accounts shows the difference between the countries to be in single digit percentage points, yet the Rooks seem to have more people flying more often. Is what you describe the reason (or perhaps COULD what you describe be the reason)? And if it is, why can't the same happen for the Bishops and the Knights?
I don't have a clue exactly what the difference is...by and large ALL the Knights I've flown with a good guys and alot are good sticks (truthfully now flying against knights I'd say knights are better pilots overall). I'd say th Knights are better "big picture" guys but it seems (in retrospect) to be a "mission" enviornment (I have yet to see a Rook "mission".
The rooks seem to react almost in real time in small groups that are somehow cohesive. The amount of useful information coming over vox and text is easily %500 more than I'm used to. Within a few hours you get used to it and your already altering what you do. I know where we're on offense/defense/furballing. Which area needs what...as an example I was in a tiffie jaboing a base...ran around being useless for a bit (boy gunnery is an adjustment) and finally got dinged. Bird was still ok so I kept on harassing...now a goon is inbound (eagle I think) and I went bingo fuel (another big change) anyway go glider and hit town with 20mm on way down...wow...everyone hit town...just 1or 2 passes each but everything down for eagle.
Now back in Niggit land I cant tell you how many times goons have circled in vain with the "vulch train" running near by (with me in it sometimes) hollaring into the void for someone...anyone to "knock the stinking town down#$#$%^".
I think it's just a natural extension of real good radio/text disipline...much less garbage on vox or text....90% tactical updates...
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I never whined about the numbers however the rooks atracted many horde dweebs lately. I blame those switch *****es.
Having a average 50-100 people more to play as the knits and bish they all stayed rook .
They so good and wonderfull .....uche uche uche....
:rolleyes:
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A day in Knight land.
(http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/200804/Ohka04.jpg)
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I never whined about the numbers however the rooks atracted many horde dweebs lately. I blame those switch *****es.
Having a average 50-100 people more to play as the knits and bish they all stayed rook .
They so good and wonderfull .....uche uche uche....
:rolleyes:
I don't know if your aiming that one at me or not...
I flew knight till it hurt, I flew for months from 5-6 stinkin bases. I actually quit (although other issues were also involved) vs "switch" to another side. It so happened that when I "re-upped" to check this out I was "assigned" to Rooks...went to switch and then thought "what the heck" lets fly a hop (least I'll know where the CV's are:)).
I have no clue why you see the need to attack or demean someone for giving an honest assessment of his/her thoughts regarding an issue like this. I was (and really still am a Knight) but that doesn't mean you dont call em like you see em. I'm amazed at some of the comments I've seen here (yours included).
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Originally posted by SlapShot
One more thing. Since you are so pissed off about the ENY balance system taking your favorite plane, perhaps you should lay blame for that where it belongs, at the feet of the people who fly Knight and or Bishop who complained so long and loud about numbers that Hitech was FORCED by them to do something. In the event that you complained constantly about numbers, and I'm not saying you did, maybe you didn't, you helped convince Hitech he needed to take your plane when your side had numbers. Think about it.
I can't believe that you wrote that paragraph.
I don't think that anybody FORCES HiTech to do anything.
There is no "blame" here and there is no need to try to assign blame.
Let me rephrase that then. The complaints and players logging off or threatening to log off and or cancel their subscriptions, made some sort of change inevitable.
Let me state this plainly and clearly. It was not my intention to say or even imply that Hitech or HTC could be "FORCED" to do something against his/their will. If I gave that impression, or the appearance or impression that I was putting words in Hitech's mouth, then I regret that, and I humbly and sincerely apologize to all, especially Hitech, for doing so.
However you wish to look at it, there was a force that brought about change. By all accounts, something supposedly HAD to be done. The question was what? Did anyone force Hitech to choose this particular change? NO. But several statements he made left the impression with many that he felt like he HAD to act. But then maybe there is confusion there and he just decided he WANTED to act.
That better?
I do find it amusing that those who like the change are all too happy to tell those who don't like it to shut up and fly. See that's an acceptable answser to some when they get what they want. But when they were outnumbered it was not okay for someone to tell THEM to shut up and fly, that wasn't fair.
Look I'm just as much in favor of equal numbers as anyone, I like to fight, and don't care too much if I die.
But I'm becoming rapidly convinced that everyone needs to come down off their high horse and drop their holier than thou attitudes and see that both sides have valid points.
Oh yeah, and I'm seeing plenty of Knights and Bishops saying the imbalance was all the fault of the Rooks and the no talent horde. But they sure do refuse to ask themselves how the Rooks got stronger and larger and they got weaker. And they don't mind DEMANDING that people switch sides, regardless of what they want. Then we hear from people who did switch who did not like the way they were treated. Interesting ain't it.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I never whined about the numbers however the rooks atracted many horde dweebs lately. I blame those switch *****es.
Having a average 50-100 people more to play as the knits and bish they all stayed rook .
They so good and wonderfull .....uche uche uche....
:rolleyes:
Bug, mind if I ask you a couple of questions?
Do you think the ONLY reason people switch to Rooks is because it is easier to "win" there?
Is it not entirely possible that people switched to Rooks and found the atmosphere different and liked the people better?
Is it not possible that people switched because they felt more welcome there?
Or is it simply your position that everyone who switched to Rooks or signed up as a Rook originally is just a no talent horde monger?
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it's just typical rooks always announce they so great that's all
personally i find the knits more skillfull to fly against
but saying that is to general.
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But I'm becoming rapidly convinced that everyone needs to come down off their high horse and drop their holier than thou attitudes and see that both sides have valid points.
I would say that all THREE sides have valid points. This change effects 3 different groups of people. Not just 2 ... us and them.
Oh yeah, and I'm seeing plenty of Knights and Bishops saying the imbalance was all the fault of the Rooks and the no talent horde. But they sure do refuse to ask themselves how the Rooks got stronger and larger and they got weaker. And they don't mind DEMANDING that people switch sides, regardless of what they want. Then we hear from people who did switch who did not like the way they were treated. Interesting ain't it.
Big broad brush being used here to paint your point. We have heard all sorts of gibbersh and garbage from all sides of the fence.
You just have to know how to separate the wheat from the chaff and from what I have read, you know how to separate, so why keep stirring the pot by saying things like ... "And they don't mind DEMANDING that people switch sides, regardless of what they want."
Come on ... I have yet to see anybody DEMAND that anybody change sides. I have seen some say ... "You don't want to change sides, then dust off your Spit I" cause your gonna need it.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
But when they were outnumbered it was not okay for someone to tell THEM to shut up and fly, that wasn't fair.
A lot of people *did* shut up and fly. Perhaps this change was not due to whining, but rather to make the game closer to the ideal of fairness.
Really to be fair you should be forced to join the country with the least numbers, every time you log in. So you can look at this another way. The reason HTC didn't implement the "really fair" solution was the "whining" from people who wanted to be able to choose which country to fly, regardless of numbers. So, in that sense you won, and you are getting your way.
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Look I'm just as much in favor of equal numbers as anyone, I like to fight, and don't care too much if I die.
One cannot be "in favor of equal numbers", and at the same time refuse to change countries to balance the sides. Those two ideas are contradictory in the context of our game (new rules or old).
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
And they don't mind DEMANDING that people switch sides
I have not seen anyone demanding that. Certainly the new rules don't demand that.
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Then we hear from people who did switch who did not like the way they were treated. Interesting ain't it.
Orthogonal issue.
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I have yet to see anybody DEMAND that anybody change sides. I have seen some say ... "You don't want to change sides, then dust off your Spit I" cause your gonna need it.
hehe...
actually flew a Hurricane mark I 9or whatever the 8x.303 is. Managed to get a spitty but then "bounced" a tiffie. Darn near flew right thru him pounding away with those pea shooters...of course I must of looked like a clay pidgeon hanging at 20 yds in front of him....clean up Isle 3, clean up Isle 3 someone left airplane parts all over the place....ARGH