Aces High Bulletin Board

General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 03:22:52 PM

Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 03:22:52 PM
I'm hoping to finish the inside of my simpit but additional info which i can't seem to find anywhere.
1. location of  gear lever for flaps.
2.Same for landing gear.
3.how,if possible,is the throttle lever setup.

all links gladly welcomed :)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 03:33:41 PM
BTW this is what my simpit looks like at the moment.(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/664_1092947403_dsc02958.jpg)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Ironblade on August 19, 2004, 05:45:16 PM
Salute Nsty1
Email Skpg in rooks there is no one with more info on the p51 mustang in this game living or dead and he also has a strap in cockpit his house is a museum of the 51 also he has all original pilot training and maintenace manuals to say the least...lol
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Jackal1 on August 19, 2004, 05:48:46 PM
http://www.p51.wjackparker.com/

 Look in detail photos section.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: DREDIOCK on August 19, 2004, 05:55:19 PM
Simpit looks great.

Question about th estick.
I've thought about getting one of thos but my hand doesnt seem to fit right in the grip.
Now Im not a BIG man but that loop or whatever the hell it is in the front is about  at least a 1/2 inch too small for my hand to fit comfortably in.
How do you get your hand to fit in their comfortably.
Feel likeit was designed to fit the hand of an 11 year old.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 05:58:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ironblade
Salute Nsty1
Email Skpg in rooks there is no one with more info on the p51 mustang in this game living or dead and he also has a strap in cockpit his house is a museum of the 51 also he has all original pilot training and maintenace manuals to say the least...lol


Many thxs Ironblade,would you happen to have his email addy by chance ?
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 06:00:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
http://www.p51.wjackparker.com/

 Look in detail photos section.

Thxs for the link Jackal1,looks like i may order that cd! :aok
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 06:03:09 PM
Quote
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Simpit looks great.

Question about th estick.
I've thought about getting one of thos but my hand doesnt seem to fit right in the grip.
Now Im not a BIG man but that loop or whatever the hell it is in the front is about  at least a 1/2 inch too small for my hand to fit comfortably in.
How do you get your hand to fit in their comfortably.
Feel likeit was designed to fit the hand of an 11 year old.


Sir,i'm sure you know there's more than one way to skin a cat (*****cat that is) :D
if you're truly interested in one,you can modify it,cut that section out,last time i had it apart,i didn't recall any wires running through.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Ironblade on August 19, 2004, 06:21:21 PM
Salute Nsty1
Think its sjflys@hotmail.com not for sure will get it when I fly with him tonight also dred the stick he is useing is the saitek x45 i had same problem but if you get the x36 usb your hand should fit ok been using it for several years and thats why i didnt go with x45.
see ya
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 06:32:38 PM
Thxs Ironblade :aok
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Jackal1 on August 19, 2004, 08:21:38 PM
Quote
Originally posted by nsty1
Thxs for the link Jackal1,looks like i may order that cd! :aok

Cool. Glad to help.
Keep us updated on the simpit. It`s looking really good.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Ironblade on August 19, 2004, 08:27:33 PM
Salute Nsty1
Also wanted to ask you where did you get your instruments from?
Thanks
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 19, 2004, 09:38:40 PM
Salute Ironblade,
I'll gladly tell you sir,6 weeks of searching and bidding(and getting out-bidded sometimes) yep you have guessed it,
EBAY :D
It's amazing the stuff that comes up,i mean one guy had a whole
wooden pallet about 4' high by 3 feet by 3feet full of "surplus" oxygen masks,avg ending selling price? right around $75.00 to about $150.00.sheesh,all i would need is one.
The gauges,i was pretty lucky,found some that were up for bid starting at $9.99 and avg i was winning them right around $12.00 for 3 plus shipping ,$18.00 total. Look for BOB98 at EBAY,
he has had some great pieces, hope this helps,see ya' in tha virtual skies.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Ironblade on August 19, 2004, 09:59:25 PM
thank you sir
Title: Re: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 20, 2004, 07:41:50 AM
Quote
Originally posted by nsty1
I'm hoping to finish the inside of my simpit but additional info which i can't seem to find anywhere.
1. location of  gear lever for flaps.
2.Same for landing gear.
3.how,if possible,is the throttle lever setup.

all links gladly welcomed :)


DUDE, that is fantabulous! :cool: :cool: :cool:

Where can I get scematics, blueprints, etc. for making one of these?

*edit*  I found these links....  Some of the sites are for more modern, but the first one is pretty generic in design, and function...
http://www.davekent.fsnet.co.uk/cockpit_home_page.htm

http://a.webring.com/hub?ring=cockpits&list&page=1

http://www.simradar.com/Cockpit_Building/

Enjoy
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 20, 2004, 09:12:27 AM
Hey Odee,thxs sir.The design is my own,if you'd like i can send ya' measurements and you can adjust from there.First question you may want to ask is to what level you want to take it and how much jingle in the pocket? :D  my current cost at this point/level is now hovering at $175.00 but alot of the items were found on EBAY and some searching around second-hand stores for joysticks(you'd be surprised how many MFF,3D PRO's precision pro's i found) .
Many thxs for the links,it's driving me crazy that i can't find more detail info on such a popular plane.I guess i'll have to resort to the tried and true method of how we use to do things,
a trip to the ..(gulp) library :D
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: debuman on August 20, 2004, 11:21:18 AM
Drediock,

I had the same problem with my X45 - it seemed to small for my hand.  However, someone suggested to me that the pinkie extension switch comes off fairly easily.  I tried it, found out that it snaps off with no problem, and now my hand fits inside comfortably.  If you have bigger hands than that, I might suggest trying the CH sticks - they have a reputation for being on the large side.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: mars01 on August 20, 2004, 01:16:40 PM
Hey Nasty Interesting Pit,

I have a question, are the guages wired in to the game or are they just for looks?
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 20, 2004, 05:39:09 PM
at this phase,they are trial fit.They will be coming out for final fitting and modification.I'm planning to mod them to stepper motors which will get the info from dedicated pc which will also take care of reading flight data. and thxs btw :)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: jetb123 on August 20, 2004, 10:05:31 PM
Quote
Originally posted by nsty1
BTW this is what my simpit looks like at the moment.(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/664_1092947403_dsc02958.jpg)
 LOL how much it take to build that its really cool.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nopoop on August 20, 2004, 10:28:10 PM
GEEK ALERT !!!

GEEK ALERT !!!

Proceed in an orderly manner to the shelters..

An all clear siren will be sounded when it is safe to exit the shelter.

DO NOT EXIT UNTIL THE SIREN IS SOUNDED.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 20, 2004, 10:38:36 PM
Quote
Originally posted by jetb123
LOL how much it take to build that its really cool.


JetB123,Thank you sir,so far i have about 65 hours not incl. planning and sketching.best to make mistakes on paper before spending the bucks :)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 20, 2004, 11:30:18 PM
Quote
Originally posted by nsty1
Hey Odee,thxs sir.The design is my own,if you'd like i can send ya' measurements and you can adjust from there.First question you may want to ask is to what level you want to take it and how much jingle in the pocket? :D  my current cost at this point/level is now hovering at $175.00 but alot of the items were found on EBAY and some searching around second-hand stores for joysticks(you'd be surprised how many MFF,3D PRO's precision pro's i found) .
Many thxs for the links,it's driving me crazy that i can't find more detail info on such a popular plane.I guess i'll have to resort to the tried and true method of how we use to do things,
a trip to the ..(gulp) library :D


Roger that and please do send the measurements...  I use CH Pro gear (Throttle, Pedals, and F-16 Comat stick...)  Gotta upgrade the throttle to USB and then my next project will be running :cool:

Instruments, seat, padding, and all that I can get from a plane grave-yard near here for prolly dirt cheap.  If not, well I;ll just fake it with a photo overlay of the real deal.  Kinda static, but hey... WTF eh? :D
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: SunTracker on August 21, 2004, 04:16:56 AM
There used to be a guy that sold Spit IX and P-51B simpits.  They were about $1000, but they were amazing.  Even had sliding canopies IIRC.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 21, 2004, 10:09:42 PM
Hey Odee,send me your email addy here so i can "zip" up some info to ya'.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 22, 2004, 06:23:32 AM
Quote
Originally posted by nsty1
Hey Odee,send me your email addy here so i can "zip" up some info to ya'.

 
Chase_Haven@yahoo.com    It's the one I use most...

Thanks mucho, mi amigo.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Balsy on August 22, 2004, 07:46:29 AM
nsty1,

Thats the best damn use of the ABdoer I've seen yet.  It works well as a clothes dryer at my house.

balsy
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 22, 2004, 08:00:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Balsy
nsty1,

Thats the best damn use of the ABdoer I've seen yet.  It works well as a clothes dryer at my house.

balsy

LOL!!
I didn't think anyone would catch that one :)
I saw it at a yard sale,asked how much,1 buck she says,i saw possibilities,she says you don't look like you need it :)
i say no not for me thank you btw,it's for a simpit i'm building...got nothing but weird looks.....
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 22, 2004, 09:43:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SunTracker
There used to be a guy that sold Spit IX and P-51B simpits.  They were about $1000, but they were amazing.  Even had sliding canopies IIRC.

Suntracker,was this someone in your home-town or on the internet? if you still have a link,i'd be interested in talking to him.
also,i'll be installing a sliding canopy as well. :)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: BigMan on August 22, 2004, 02:50:19 PM
Is this Pit for AH ??

How do those gauges work with AH ?

I didn't think you could turn off the cockpit in AH ?
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 22, 2004, 04:37:40 PM
Absolutely for AH11 :D
Just taking the game one level higher. Going with an EPIC card
which will require a dedicated PC to cover flight data and in turn
send info to gauges(which will be modified next)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: United on August 22, 2004, 04:53:29 PM
(http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/books/cockpit/small/North%20American%20P-51-F6D%20Mustang.jpg)
(http://avia.russian.ee/air/cockpits/na_p-51d.jpg)
hope they help
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 22, 2004, 05:02:41 PM
United,you have no idea how drooling i did when i say that pic come up :D
NICE SHOT!,any other's? especially over throttle on back?
if so thank you,thank you. Still,this pic,gives me lotsa info thxs.:aok
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: United on August 22, 2004, 05:45:44 PM
Heres just about all I got.
(http://acn.waw.pl/sturm/Obrazki/P51details_cockpit2_lg.jpg)
(http://www.fighter-collection.com/news/img/p-51c_cockpit_01.jpg)
(http://www.fighter-collection.com/news/img/p-51c_port_cockpit_01.jpg)
(http://www.mnangmuseum.org/images/aircraft/P51cockpit1.jpg)
(http://www.abledogs.com/mustang/cockpit.jpg)
(http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/images/cockpits/p51d/p51d-l01.jpg)
.(http://www.quadcityairshow.com/statics/redtail/seat_small.jpg)

If you want I can dig up some more and do some more searching.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: BigMan on August 22, 2004, 05:58:57 PM
Ya but when you look at your monitor your going to see a Virtual Cockpit..with gauges and all.  Can you turn that off??
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: United on August 22, 2004, 06:02:39 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BigMan
Ya but when you look at your monitor your going to see a Virtual Cockpit..with gauges and all.  Can you turn that off??

He can also use it for other games, not just AH, but that is a good point.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 22, 2004, 06:23:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BigMan
Ya but when you look at your monitor your going to see a Virtual Cockpit..with gauges and all.  Can you turn that off??

That's a good question bigman,what i'm planning on doing is setting it up on monitor to where all i'll see before me is rounds remaining (see P51 screen next time) i'm zooming now as it is for targeting,so when i get to that point,ill just leave it.and for landing,i can always zoom back
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 22, 2004, 06:29:01 PM
UNITED! THXS SIR!:aok
Picture number 3 hits the jackpot,very nice shots.
It's fair to assume yellow handle is the one for Flaps?
and i can see now how landing gear lever is setup.Looks like ill have to re-think my throttle lever and maybe get lucky on the other handles i see in your pics.
#1 and last 3 i have.number 2 & 3 are sharp!
by all means,if you don't mind,i'll take all i can get,
thank you again sir
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 23, 2004, 04:08:29 AM
Nsty1, what you really REALLY want is what I have in my hot little hands atm....  15 Aug, 1945 edition *RESTRICTED* AAF MANUAL 51-127-5  From HQ Army Air Forces for the Mustang Pilot Training....

This is a reprint actually *mint condition suggest that* of the original pilot training manual, with detailed descriptions, and pictures of all instrumentation and flight characteristics.  I got my copy at a WW2 fly-in at Reading, PA air show...  You can prolly get one from the Mid Atlantic Air Museum Shop fairly inexpensive...  I'll do some more searching to see if I can get a link for ordering.


(EDIT) HOT DIGGITY DAWG!  found it...   http://www.planestuff.com/p51muspilman.html   The first book listed on the page is the one I have.  $22 USD so the price has gone up a bit from when I bought it for $15 USD.

Happy flying!
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 23, 2004, 07:40:46 PM
Odee,you are full of surprises :D
thnxs a million on the link,btw,i just sent ya' an email,let me know if you get it.

joe/nsty1
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 24, 2004, 10:35:18 AM
Quote
Originally posted by nsty1
Odee,you are full of surprises :D
thnxs a million on the link,btw,i just sent ya' an email,let me know if you get it.

joe/nsty1


Nope....  But I sent you my alternate emails....  Try the Cox.Net one first. ;)
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 24, 2004, 07:08:09 PM
Dude!  You are absolutely gonna hunt my butt down for giving you this link... :D

http://www.oldmanuals.com/

Try to have the bib cover the keyboard before ya goes there.
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: nsty1 on August 25, 2004, 08:42:28 AM
Odee!!!otw to virginia for not giving me an email that works!!:lol
plus for that link,now i need a new keyboard:D
email me here sir,the cox.net failed as well.
jmalv@qwest.net
will wait for your email
Joe/nsty1

ps.
drooling problem corrected,bigger bib :D
Title: P-51D instrument layout
Post by: Odee on August 25, 2004, 08:54:07 AM
Message sent....

Cannot imagine why the COX one did not work, unless it was something in the Subject line that got intercepted... :eek:   I have it set to delete at the server side, anything without a subject in the subject line, and a few catch phrases Spammers use...

Weird man... :aok