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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Manock on January 20, 2000, 08:21:00 AM
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Tonight was the most blatant assault of hacked-cheater planes have ever seen. Took down names - got movie footage - but what the hecks the point. Theres so many of you that one can only conclude that you all like it this way. I bet you guys cheat you Aunt in Gin Rummy. Well my posts about desiring a WWII sim rather than a General Electric Turbo Fan sim has been ignored, but I leave with this impotent threat - when we go pay, and I will still be here - I will squeak like crazy to AH to ban you guys one by one until you stop. Go cheat on something important like school or your taxes - whats the point in cheating on a simulation when suprise! - cheating destroys the sim. Perplexed again by the pointlessness of misdirected human agression.
I never read replys to my posts because reading them finds myself wishing the aliens would hurry up and get here, and advance the human race via 2001 again, so keep in mind your target audience for your flames are your cohorts in Throttle Cheats, not me. - - - You Miserable Wooses!
Wondering in Warsaw
Manock
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Roflmao!!!! You are a wacko!
Are you sneaking in and using the computer at the orderlies station?
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Manock, I thnk u need to find a copy of Secret Weapons Of The Luftwaffe (offline play only) and start flying that sim and only that one.
/ Mike
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The attitude of this message gives me the opportunity to remind of a command that might be cosidered helpful for those that don't know it yet:
.squelch <playerid> - hides all messages from a player for the current game session.
e.g. .squelch azrael to ignore my hints about the game info section on the web site (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
.unsquelch <playerid> - listen to that player again
.unsquelch all - clears the squelch list
Az
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Azrael
Erprobungsgruppe 177
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HTC can create a checksum for the plane stats and if you Crack it the file would change.. then the file and checksum wouldn't match and therfore when you try to log on, guess what you cant get in.
Problem solved...
DoctorYO
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I must be thick, I have been playing for months and have never seen a situation where the enemy plane wasnt the same as the one I could use..I think it would stand out.
You know that planes go faster down hill then up hill right?
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Pongo
Sturm Gruppe
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I'm with you on this one Manock. I've detected some "off-world" influence in this sim myself. I say forget about 'em. They just don't appreciate how difficult it is to fly in a straight jacket. I chipped a tooth on my joystick last night. Maybe I'll try using some other orifice instead. How do you do it?
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By all means, post the films. Though frightening as hell, I would like to see the world through your eyes for a few minutes... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
You imply that everyone (or virtually everyone) around you is cheating. Why is it no one else seems to notice this?
Sanity is a subjective concept. Your world is what you perceive it to be. This begs the question; If you're crazy, would you know it? Based on the vitriolic nonsense you've spouted every time you've posted, I question your sanity, Manock.
You may not be reading these responses (bet you are! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)) but it sure makes me feel better to know that my vision of reality seems to agree with those around me... or am I only imagining that in my particular reality... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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It should be real easy for you who accuse people of cheating to get the cheaters banned for life. . . Use the freaking guncam and post the movies here or send them to HTC. . .
Regards
// -nr-1-
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Well, this "cheater" that this Manock character is referring to is "GBLUE" and also me. I didn't see anything wrong with GBLUE's flying(I was a knight and he was a rook or a bishop?). I shot him down, he shot me down. After an extensive dogfight between myself and GBLUE, I can say with absolutely no doubt in my mind, he is in no way cheating, hacking or otherwise defying HTC's laws of physics. Manock here is just one of those people that thinks the world is out ot get them, despite the fact many of us may have more stick time than him(myself, 6 years of CK/WB/this/other sims). Funny thing is, he stayed 2K or more away from my plane, yet he accused me of hacking. He stated "Your plane seems pretty super Wolfe" He even got my name wrong. I suppose it's because I got more kills than him in a single sortie and kept shooting planes down. Oh yeah, and here's the hilarious part... HE WAS ON MY SIDE! If you agree with this guy about everyone cheating, you should get a reality check, this person is seriously deluted and needs help immediately. Perhaps a prescription of "Never fly AH again" will work.. atleast it will make me feel better. :-)
Anyway, have a nice day.
-SW
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"I never read replys to my posts..."
Throw a hook and not going to pull it back to see what You get ?
Lots of angry sharks, man !
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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blur, you might consider that we aren't playing in a ideal environment here.
A good article covering netlag and the results is hoofs 'net lag and warbirds' at http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/netlag.htm (http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/netlag.htm)
Although some of the problems described there aren't as apparent anymore (better smoothing code, another sim), some are still there and won't go away.
Another thing to consider in AH is that the sim has two ranges where a warp could occur, the first when a ac enters icon range, the second at closer distance but out of shooting distance, the reason is that far away planes aren't updated that regulary on your FE. A HTC member could explain the reasons better I think.
Az
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Azrael
Erprobungsgruppe 177
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Can we all say "Troll" ?
Where is downtown and his fishing thingy when you need him (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you are serious manock...you will feel much better after you take your meds...LOOK OUT, BEHIND YOU!!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
[This message has been edited by rosco- (edited 01-20-2000).]
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In WB and DoA I have seen hacked planes..
But AH.. never..
Only things that might feel like hack, have been bugs in FMs or such..
Also heard alot complaining of planes not dying because wings gone.. well, often that has been so that victim has had only wingtip or two lost (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I have also seen those unbelievable ditches of stabless planes... I have made twice that in B-17.. uhh..
(and more than that without vert stab..)
So.. current FM is what it is, it doesnt mean its hacked game.
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...Wabbit carefully steps over the puddles of frothy spittle left behind by Manock.
Yo:
>HTC can create a checksum for the plane
>stats and if you Crack it the file
Not that simple. That only protects the file on disk. There are "in-memory" editors that hackers use so just protecting the file is insufficient. There needs to be a physics deamon process on the server that is constantly checking the player last state update with the current one. By comparing the delta between the two states and the control and power settings it can be determined if it falls within the physics model. If it does the old state update is tossed, the current one save to be compare to the next one. If it doesn't you send a packet telling their frontend to shut with a msg "You executable or data files appear to be corrupt. Please contact HTC..."
But then you have the shot doublers. These are programs that once the packet that designates hits on a enemy (assume local hit calculation) is decyphered those packets are duplicated so not one hit is sent but 10 or 50.
Then you have the blackers. They figure out which packets are incoming damage or kill packets and they filter those out so their client never receives them.
THere are measures that can be takes against all these tactics, and counter measures.
In the end, the only way to solve this problem is the formation of a small, covert para-military unit to track down and uhhh (the sound of a clacking bolt) terminate their account with "extreme prejudice". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wab
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Wabb: "...Wabbit carefully steps over the puddles of frothy spittle left behind by Manock."
Thanks for the morning laugh, people in my cube are all staring at me like I've lost my mind after LOL over your opening line in your post.
Manock, I've found 1 hacker in WB's, I don't doubt that one can hack the game, but when you see "several" while you're flying in one night, that is most likely your connection.
Folks that "game the game" are a far more serious threat than the "once in a blue moon" hacker.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
-Rip1- VF-101 Grim Reapers (RET)
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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Folks that "game the game" are a far more serious threat than the "once in a blue moon" hacker.
Especially when the developers deliver a new version each week, talk about hacking around the clock (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Az
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Azrael
Erprobungsgruppe 177
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Czytajac twoje piperzenie jest mi wstyd ze mamy cokowliek wspolnego.
Badz tak mily i nastepnym razem jak musisz sie wyplakac to nie pisz nic co by wskazywalo na twoja narodowosc, bo nie chce byc katagolawy jako idiota tylko dlatego ze tez jestem polakiem.
Jesli maz dowod to go tutaj zastaw, a nie pieprz jak nastolatka..
Bartek
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(http://www.raf303.org/banner.gif)
Bartlomiej Rajewski
S/L fd-ski Sq. 303 (Polish) "Kosciuszko" RAF
www.raf303.org (http://www.raf303.org)
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Hacking is a very real...but very limited problem. I'm only aware of one individual who seriously hacked AW (but there may be more). 99.995% or more of stuff you see is legitimate network lag or more often simply skill.
However it can be a real economic issue for HT if it effects the subscriber base. I sent a film to mage (and talked to him at AW99) about the only one i ever saw ...plane literally did an "asteriods" shot..firing off the screen at an angle and nailing me. We were dead level on the merge reversed and met level on merge again (maybe 300 vertical seperation). Swear it looked like a gunner firing from a buff (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Anyway Mage indicated it wasnt a real priority to him..and the moment Moss mentioned AH I was gone.
As a consumer i can only vote with my wallet, the only thing that would ever sour me on AH at this point would be the open aceptance of hacking. The above mentioned individual was actually distributing a hacked exe file to friends.
As I stated at the beginning the problem is far overstated in my mind BUT when it does occur I hope HT has the ability to protect his product (legally,technically..someway) better than AW.
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need to change your handle from Manock to Paranoid-Schizophrenock!!
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This thread is a circle jerk and manock is ringleader!
My wad is shot so I see u guys
up later today.
Yeager
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 01-20-2000).]
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Anyone who has heard Mancock online will know what a dipso the boy is. Barks "stop this diddlyin plane" for 10 mins when he joins a c47 <dope> and then is too thick to realise bout five people are trying to help him. He squeakes that everyone is cheatin after Superfly cleared him from my 6 (was good kill saw from rear view). As people got sick of him squeakin about FMs and so on (he obviously hadnt RTFM) he signed off with "diddly all you". I can see him now, a 14 yr old pubescent dick child in a state of semi-permanent masturbation runnin up bills on daddys card. This isnt afterburner mancock it takes a few hours of play to really get the hang of things. Change your handle, come back into the game, shut your face and if u want help ask.
Dotsie.
[This message has been edited by dotsie (edited 01-20-2000).]
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Dolomite....Vitrolic???..lol..now where is my dictionary (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
see ya on line
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Dotsie-
I have seen it myself; no explanation necessary here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Combat23-
hehe, I'll save you the time...
"bitterly severe; sharp: vitriolic criticism"
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-20-2000).]
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DoctorYo,
Checksums aren't the sollution. Crack the files and crack the protocol. Code a proxy that detects outgoing packets containing checksum replys and stuff those packets with correct values. The end result is that the server will think you have a legit version.
//fats
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LOL!
I had him in my squelch list in the first week I spent playing!
BTW, if you do read this, what type of connection do u have? It wont help if your still on a 14.4k trying to play a game with 70+ people at the same time...
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We have always taken hacking extreemly seriously.
I will never comment on what I do for hack check because the first law of catching hackers is don't let them know what you do , infact I almost fired someone at my previous company for posting about some of the stuf we do for hack checking.
2nd rule is don't let them know they have been caught until its 2 late. i.e. Never just tell them with the FE.
HiTech
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U go HT! Lock and load. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for our friend Manock.. he has every right to be paranoid. We ARE out to get him. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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>2nd rule is don't let them know they have
>been caught until its 2 late.
Kewl.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Then you call in that small, covert para-military unit for the strike.
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Wabbit steps up to the base ops observation window. He stands there, sipping from his coffee mug. He watches as the men in black ninja suits, ski masks, and infrared night vision goggles load into the three awaiting helicopters. They move silently, and quickly, as is their habit after the years of training. They check their repelling harnesses and high powered sub machine guns and silencers one last time before before transmitting the signal, "AHOG good to go.."
Wabbit turns to HiTech who is bent over his terminal, verifing the evidence one last time. He leans back in his chair and locks Wabbit with a stern gaze and gives the nod. Wabbit picks up his mic, turning back to the window: "Avenging Hand of God, you are cleared for take off. Good luck lads...and good hunting."
The three helicopters, almost invisible against the night with thier flat black paint, lift off and disappear into the darkness.
Muuhahaha,
Wab
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Think rosco got it right.
Got to be a Troll.
No one can be this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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Actually stalker, Yes, some people are that stupid. But in this case I believe my first assessment was correct. In anycase I will just ingore him from now on, if I wanted to converse with an prettythanghole I would just break wind. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm afraid this is the real him.
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>>>>if I wanted to converse with an prettythanghole I would just break wind<<<
ROFLAO!! Excellent! Can I use this one?? hehhehhehheeee
Hang
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I have to let the cat out of the bag. I know what hitech does when he catch's a hacker and I have to tell. He codes in the hackers game id so that every time anyone else in the game fires and miss's those rounds hit the hacker. This causes him to get frustrated enough to leave the game on his own. Sorry hitech I just had to tell. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Don't be too hasty to judge here. Some people suffer from P.T.S.H.S.S. Post traumatic simulation hacking stress syndrome. A long time ago in a sim far far away I was flying my trusty F4U and up comes this A6M like an F-86. Two pings and I'm history. From that point on I wonder-will that cold blooded super hack zero be there in the cyber skys-lurking-waiting..... arrrgggh!. Cold shivers-sweat on joy stick. Anyways I should have known something was up when several younger guys asked if I knew C++ programing. Hacking is disruptive and nasty but in my somewhat limited experience it is not common and players can usually figure out who it is depending on the extent/degree of the hack. Players that hack the FM or and gunnery effectiveness also seem to have an attitude (bad altitude as we cyber pilots say) and sometimes this gives them away-- like they are attention seeking, top-dog, maxi-competion types. They have to be percieved as the winners at all costs. They are not mature enough to experience loss and learn from it. Sermon over. BB out.
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"if I wanted to converse with an prettythanghole I would just break wind. "
Oh Rosco! good one hehe, can i use this one as my sig? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
// -nr-1-
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Just kinda ignore this guy. He started this crap on a Warbirds ladder and was kicked.... Guess he figured out where we migrated to and decided to follow us.
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Mad as mad person in a particularly mad mood while suffering form the effects of mad drugs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) :-
http://www.fl-air.co.uk/warbirds/conference/thread.cfm?threadid=341&messages=10 (http://www.fl-air.co.uk/warbirds/conference/thread.cfm?threadid=341&messages=10) http://www.fl-air.co.uk/warbirds/conference/thread.cfm?threadid=355&messages=24 (http://www.fl-air.co.uk/warbirds/conference/thread.cfm?threadid=355&messages=24)
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Iseriously doubt much cheating goes on in AH. However...
I have seen from time to time induced warps when approaching the 6 of potential victim.
Possible cause...
The infamous "F10" key.
The ability to produce On-Line screen shots will provide an unfair advantage.
Just thought I would throw that in.
Oh by the way..
If I was enough of a computer nerd to hack, I wouldn't be doin it here, I would be doin it there >>>>> $$$$$$
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Niknak-
You've posted this link before, but it didn't work either time. Is it password protected?
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first go to:
http://www.fl-air.co.uk/warbirds/ (http://www.fl-air.co.uk/warbirds/)
click on the login button. The page needs you to be logged in and sending cookies before it lets you into the forum. Then copy and past the two links.
AKDejaVu