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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Krusty on August 19, 2004, 11:15:34 PM
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This is like the "There's no such thing as RPMs" post.
Most peeps use "buffs" as a generic bomber term. WRONG
If taken literally it refers to Big Ugly Fat "effers" (not gonna spell it out).
Traditionally it refers ONLY to the B-17, an ungainly bird. Before AH1 days I had *only* ever heard it used for the B-52 (which is another ungainly bird, as well), but recently (perhaps the influx of newbies? Hell, I don't know why! I'm just reporting it!) people have been calling Ju88s and all level bombers "buffs".
THIS IS WRONG! Most of the bombers are NOT big, NOT ugly, and are rather graceful.
The term BUFF only applies to B-17s! Deal!
... Silly mortals... When will they ever learn... :rofl
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The term Buff has always been ubiquitous with any level bomber in AH. As with so many other names in the game, its the short names that stick.
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Maybe its just a matter of preference, or "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" but I dont find the B-17 to be a big fat ugly bird. I find it to be graceful and revel in its nostalgic value. Always has been and always will be one of, if not the most, favorite bird for me. I will most assuredly sign on to any mission that will muster large formations of B-17s. what a plane!
Muttman
PS: I actually had the chance on two seperate occasions, once in Hondo, Texas the other in El Centro, California to pay $5.00 to climb aboard and through a B-17 at airshows. What an experience. Have photos from all different angles. I need to find those somewhere and post em here.
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Originally posted by Krusty
This is like the "There's no such thing as RPMs" post.
Most peeps use "buffs" as a generic bomber term. WRONG
If taken literally it refers to Big Ugly Fat "effers" (not gonna spell it out).
Traditionally it refers ONLY to the B-17, an ungainly bird. Before AH1 days I had *only* ever heard it used for the B-52 (which is another ungainly bird, as well), but recently (perhaps the influx of newbies? Hell, I don't know why! I'm just reporting it!) people have been calling Ju88s and all level bombers "buffs".
THIS IS WRONG! Most of the bombers are NOT big, NOT ugly, and are rather graceful.
The term BUFF only applies to B-17s! Deal!
... Silly mortals... When will they ever learn... :rofl
Bombers of all types only look pretty and graceful to me when they are in flames with a wing or two missing and headed downward at a great rate of speed.
Up untill that point as far as Im concerned they are all "Buffs":D
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Oooooh
I was wondering why bombers are buffs.
I am sorry, I will never miss use the word again :lol
I will call em Burgs in stead.
NOT big, NOT ugly, and are rather graceful
Big Ugly Rather Graceful
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B17 Ugly? You looking for a fight?
B52 is the only real Buff. And thats what the airforce boys call it. And it is a big ugly fat 'fellow' (Thats the clean version they use on t.v.)
If anything in Ah is a Buff, its the Lanc.
Anyhow, the term is applied loosely in this game regardless. No one ever called a B17 a buff until AH...
People are just too lazy or illiterate to say "Heavy Bomber"
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Actually, if you read "The Wild Blue" by Stephen Ambrose, the B-24 pilots quoted in that book swear up and down (at least how I took it) that the name was given specifically for the B24... since it is indeed butt ugly =) Now even though I think the Liberator is a better bomber than the 17, I think the 17 is by far more aesthetically pleasing. :aok
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Folks in Air Warrior were calling all bombers Buffs when I got there in '93. I think it is (and pretty always much has been in games) a generic term for any bomber. I have no idea when the term started in RL.
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B17s are not ugly, they are beautiful! :p I've always loved them since I first started flying them in AW about 6 years ago. :cool:
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What about Stuka's?
I am now offically the Stuka Dweeb!
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Actually, if you read "The Wild Blue" by Stephen Ambrose, the B-24 pilots quoted in that book swear up and down (at least how I took it) that the name was given specifically for the B24... since it is indeed butt ugly =) Now even though I think the Liberator is a better bomber than the 17, I think the 17 is by far more aesthetically pleasing. :aok
ive also heard that it was the b24.
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Hey its our own lingo. Kinda like ebonics, california spanengli, or even aceshinics , its all good. Cool!
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Originally posted by elc7367b
PS: I actually had the chance on two seperate occasions, once in Hondo, Texas the other in El Centro, California to pay $5.00 to climb aboard and through a B-17 at airshows. What an experience. Have photos from all different angles. I need to find those somewhere and post em here. [/B]
I took these at a Fly-in at the Suphur Springs, Tx Municipal Airport I attended. Not great quality, but pics just the same.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1093001391_b1.jpeg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1093001580_b3.jpeg) (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1093001654_b4.jpeg)
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Nice Picks ther Jackal, I am still looking for my shots, I have them on disk somewhere but since I made my last move I havent had the oppotunity to find them. Ill have to ask the wife, she knows where everything is.
By the way, I read once that the B-24 was the thing they used to ship the B-17 over to England in.:)
Muttman
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Originally posted by KurtVW
B17 Ugly? You looking for a fight?
B52 is the only real Buff. And thats what the airforce boys call it. And it is a big ugly fat 'fellow' (Thats the clean version they use on t.v.)
If anything in Ah is a Buff, its the Lanc.
Anyhow, the term is applied loosely in this game regardless. No one ever called a B17 a buff until AH...
People are just too lazy or illiterate to say "Heavy Bomber"
Was just about to chip in...B-52 is the one and only BUFF. nickname didn't even exist in WW2. B-17 was "flying fortress".
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Yeah, I know. And for those that said in AH1 that "buff" meant any heavy bomber, well never ONCE in AH1 did I hear it used for anything other than the B17. I can't comment on incorrect use of the word in WB or AW, as I never flew them. But a wrong tradition is still wrong.
It is a pet peeve of mine that people use this term for any bomber. It's stupid. Maybe I can see it for the b17... MAYBE.. But I agree with others that it can be aesthetically pleasing.
But to use it for Ju88s? Lancasters? Ki67s? Hell no. Sorry, you folks are just wrong and/or uninformed to use it for all bombers.
And that, as they say, is that. And by "that" I mean "my pet peeve". So to quote a certain hand puppet from "The Tick"
"You're making us look bad! I told you, READ A BOOK!!" :p
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Originally posted by Krusty
but recently (perhaps the influx of newbies? Hell, I don't know why! I'm just reporting it!) people have been calling Ju88s and all level bombers "buffs".
So, your saying even though people 10 years before you used it differently, you think its newbies that are doing it wrong? Who's the newbie, you or someone in AW in '93?
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The fact of whether somebody flew in AW or not means nothing.
I followed AH1 regularly, flying HTH on and off on a regular basis since the beta ended. I had my 2 week period. Then a long while later I had another (lost my account info) then another (for some reason my account got wiped after a certain time period and I re-created it).
And at least I didn't go around saying "n00b" or accusing YOU of being a newbie. I was above that. What I was saying is that perhaps the new people who didn't fully understand what buff meant started taking it and mis-using it, and it caught on.
It's still wrong. Hell the nazis had most of an entire country following them and their ideas. They were still wrong, despite the fact that many people believed 'em.
So using "buffs" for all bombers is still wrong, despite the fact that so many use it as such.
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Originally posted by Krusty
The fact of whether somebody flew in AW or not means nothing.
That is correct, but the fact that for the online flight sim community[/b] it was used as a term for any bomber long before you got involved does mean something.
I never thought you were calling me or anybody else a newbie, I was just pointing out that the term was in use long before you or I got here.
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Perhaps... But not in AH1, which was part of my point.
I only press the issue because.. well, you know.. the pet peeve thing. ;)
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I've been with HT since he had Warbirds and I distinctly recall hearing the term BUFF applied to ALL bombers and even using it myself in WB, AH1 and of course, now AH2.
Speaking of pet peeves, slang terms (like BUFF and GOON) don't bother me in the least to what they are applied to, as long as everyone is on the same sheet of music.
My pet peeves (since we are sharing, heh) are when people use the word "loose" instead of "lose" or "and" instead of "an". I'm beginning to see this useage in professional level documentation and even in commercial advertising.....scary!
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No problem Krusty, we all have our pet peeves. Mine is Revisionist Historians.;)
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The A-7 was known as the SLUF for Slow Low Ugly Blanker,
maybe the IL-2 or Stuka could take this nickname ;)
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Originally posted by humble
Was just about to chip in...B-52 is the one and only BUFF. nickname didn't even exist in WW2. B-17 was "flying fortress".
Not sure humble.. in the book I read, with the quotes present, the B24 pilots use BUFF to describe their airplanes, and the quote seemed to describe how they were referred to in WWII.
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ok, the troops that we drop from a c47 (goon) Ive heard them called... drunks.... ok what up with that, cause i sometimes call them ... drunks... want to make sure im using the right lingo, so all people will know im dropping paratroopers, troops, them, slow mo fo'z <-- heard them all. sure theres more.
Tactic
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Originally posted by tactic
ok, the troops that we drop from a c47 (goon) Ive heard them called... drunks.... ok what up with that
Because they would have to be drunk to jump out of a perfectly servicable aircraft? :D :p
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The term came in to favored useage in AH because jokes were often made about the "guys in the back of the plane" and what they were doing on the sometimes long flights to get to a field.
People, Americans in particular it seems, really like to use slang terms to describe or name things.
ex:
Check out my "ride" - ride could be car, plane, truck, any form of transportation, etc.
You see the set of "wheels" homie's cruisin in now? - "wheels" again referring to a vehicle of some sort.
Check my "threads" - older term to mean "clothing"
and the list could go on and on....
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Originally posted by Krusty
Most peeps use "buffs" as a generic bomber term. WRONG
If taken literally it refers to Big Ugly Fat "effers" (not gonna spell it out).
I believe the term "Buffs" is an old flight simmers term for bombers. You see, back before airconditioning, on hot summer days, it was unconfortable furballing when it's hot and sticky.
Some folks used to take a break from the heat of dogfighting by flying bombers. You go to a rear airfield and take off in a heavy bomber. On the slow climbout, you break out a cold drink, strip down to the raw, and sit in front of the fan.
So when you saw high bombers coming, you would call out.. "Here comes the buffs!"
I think I learned this from some guy called Slug, so it must be true. But his version was much funnier :D
Gunner
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Originally posted by Warp
The term came in to favored useage in AH because jokes were often made about the "guys in the back of the plane" and what they were doing on the sometimes long flights to get to a field.
It's also dates back to the AW days.
I was always under the impression it came about because of Goons being a high priority target if spotted...therefore the para's in back must've been drunk to get on the plane in the first place :)
In AW you could ride co-pilot and in the back of'em. A couple times me and some fellow Muskies went with a C-47 and dropped with the drunks :)
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Did you have the chance to fly in one?
I've flown in the "Yankee Lady" for $400, worth every penny. I also paid for a couple of friends to go up.
I've seen two other B17s also, Aluminum Overcast and the copy of Memphis Bell.
Yankee Lady was the best, very well maintained.
If you want to see pics they are on my webpage, url should be in my sig.
Originally posted by elc7367b
Maybe its just a matter of preference, or "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" but I dont find the B-17 to be a big fat ugly bird. I find it to be graceful and revel in its nostalgic value. Always has been and always will be one of, if not the most, favorite bird for me. I will most assuredly sign on to any mission that will muster large formations of B-17s. what a plane!
Muttman
PS: I actually had the chance on two seperate occasions, once in Hondo, Texas the other in El Centro, California to pay $5.00 to climb aboard and through a B-17 at airshows. What an experience. Have photos from all different angles. I need to find those somewhere and post em here.
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Originally posted by Krusty
THIS IS WRONG! Most of the bombers are NOT big, NOT ugly, and are rather graceful.
The term BUFF only applies to B-17s! Deal!
... Silly mortals... When will they ever learn... :rofl
Well the first time I ever remember reading the term it refered to the B-52. Beauty being in the eye of the beholder I would suggest that the B-17 is one of the finest looking bombers of WWII. Only the B-26 and A-20 being cleaner looking. (to me)
However maybe we could use the German terms for bombers which was used in WWII (vice BUFF).
Dicke Hunde (Fat Dog)
or
Dicke Auto (Fat Car)
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Most people who use the term BUFFS don't know what it really means.
They use it for bombers, no matter which one.
And the previous posts are right, the term BUFF came around to refer to the B52, that's it.
As far as what to call a buff in aces high, I think it's ok to call any bomber a buff since the term is used to refer to a bomber and not the look of an aircraft. If the latter were the case then I have a strong object to the B17 being called a buff.
Originally posted by Krusty
Yeah, I know. And for those that said in AH1 that "buff" meant any heavy bomber, well never ONCE in AH1 did I hear it used for anything other than the B17. I can't comment on incorrect use of the word in WB or AW, as I never flew them. But a wrong tradition is still wrong.
It is a pet peeve of mine that people use this term for any bomber. It's stupid. Maybe I can see it for the b17... MAYBE.. But I agree with others that it can be aesthetically pleasing.
But to use it for Ju88s? Lancasters? Ki67s? Hell no. Sorry, you folks are just wrong and/or uninformed to use it for all bombers.
And that, as they say, is that. And by "that" I mean "my pet peeve". So to quote a certain hand puppet from "The Tick"
"You're making us look bad! I told you, READ A BOOK!!" :p
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Originally posted by jpeg
Did you have the chance to fly in one?
I've flown in the "Yankee Lady" for $400, worth every penny. I also paid for a couple of friends to go up.
JPEG...
I could be your friend !... Smooch Smooch !
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After posting the pics of the 17 I remembered how hilarious one event was. They had a drawing of tickets and the people chosen got to take a ride in one of the planes there. For the 17, I believe 8 or 10 people got to go up.
I had 2 of my grandkids with me. (2 of Deth1`s daughters). We were standing pretty close to the 17 after the people got boarded and they started prefilght. The 1st engine whirred and fired off and was humming like a kitten. When they started to turn the 2nd engine over it turned over about twice, then BWHAAAAM, she backfired. I mean it was was LOUD. Dakota and Daytona came off the ground what seemed like two feet and stuck like monkies to my legs with their feet still off the ground. Their eyes were about the size of dinner plates.:D
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Grimm and I had a ride on the Aluminum Overcast. Here are some pics.
http://webpages.charter.net/davegun/b17.htm
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Good for you JPEG. I did have the chance to fly in one when I first got stationed in El Centro, California with the Border Patrol. I believe the flight would have taken place in the Palm Springs area. The cost was $400.00. I was on trainee status and had just paid to move my family out there from Texas. I really wanted to do it but felt I couldnt afford it at the time. I really regret not doing it. I have been watching for schedules that might bring one near my area and am still hoping for the opportunity.
Muttman
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Allmost as bad as people calling the Lancaster a 'Lance'....its LANC folks, like tank.
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Or almost as bad as people calling flak "puffy ack", and ack (short for ack-ack) "flak." Hint: ack is rapid-fire, e.g. "wife-ack." :D