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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on August 20, 2004, 11:03:09 AM
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The Kerry campaign calls on a publisher to 'withdraw book' written by group of veterans, claiming veterans are lying about Kerry's service in Vietnam and operating as a front organization for Bush. Kerry campaign has told Salon.com that the publisher of UNFIT FOR COMMAND is 'retailing a hoax'... 'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,' Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton tells the online mag.
Does this mean Bush should call on Moore to withdraw F911?
What a joke.
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No, it means KERRY should call on Moore to withdraw 9/11. Consistency, you know. ;)
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Why doesn’t Kerry just sue them?
Clearly he can prove "damages" if the book is proven to be full of malicious lies.
His VP probably knows a good trial lawyer.
The defense would probably like a shot at showing that Kerry was / is a liar.
John Kerry admits to committing atrocities in Vietnam -- April 18, 1971 (0:31) (http://www.wintersoldier.com/audio/kerry2.mp3)
John Kerry testifies about American "war crimes" in Vietnam -- April 22, 1971 (1:32) (http://www.wintersoldier.com/audio/warcrimes.mp3)
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Those clips are why Kerry should distance himself from his "vote for me, I'm the VN war hero" campaign approach.
You'll be hearing that stuff on TV ads in October otherwise. In fact, it might be too late.
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It's good for veterans to be questioned .
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
Those clips are why Kerry should distance himself from his "vote for me, I'm the VN war hero" campaign approach.
You'll be hearing that stuff on TV ads in October otherwise. In fact, it might be too late.
Too late. SBVFT has allready started adds related to winter solier. A little early if you ask me.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Does this mean Bush should call on Moore to withdraw F911?
What a joke.
Withdraw what is the truth?...:rolleyes:
Hail disinformation!
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Withdraw what is the truth?...:rolleyes:
:rofl
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Originally posted by muckmaw
:rofl
:rofl :rofl
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Hilarious. Can you imagine if Bush tried to do the same with Moore or moveon.org? They'd be jumping through their tulips crying foul.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Withdraw what is the truth?...:rolleyes:
Hail disinformation!
You really think F911 is thruthful or more broadly honest and of integrity?
Yea I agree "Hail Disinformation!"
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this is something you can't help but notice about the "new" democrats.. they cry fouls any time they are roasted but think that no amount of propoganda is too much lieing when the cause is "just" like supporting trash like move on and moore.
lazs
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The only lies I saw in that movie were the ones that were played out by GBW.
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Hey GScholz, you guys get the ads on Norwegian TV? Do they show that stuff on CNN?
If so, let me offer my apologies for having to endure that crap. It's bad enough we do.
dago
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Originally posted by SirLoin
The only lies I saw in that movie were the ones that were played out by GBW.
You're hopeless.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
You're hopeless.
Is that a fact?..What else do you know for sure..?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SirLoin
The only lies I saw in that movie were the ones that were played out by GBW.
LOL, I hope youre just trolling otherwise you are pretty stupid and gullible. Honestly, do you considewr yourself an intelligent, critical thinker when you say that F911 ewas an honest portrayal of events?
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Originally posted by GScholz
No luckily political TV commercials are banned here. In any case it would not be much point in airing US political commercials to a non US-voting population.
Thern whats the deal with all these lonny canucks who, it seems, would gladly give their first born to get kerry elected? :)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I have nothing substantial to say inb my defense, so I'll just use some meanngless aadvertising slogan.
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sirloin... lets start with the first lines in the movie about how it was later "proven" that Bush had lost the election.... Recounts by four liberal and huge newspapers (new york times for one) did independent recounts in Florida and all concluded.... Bush won. moore knows this but lied anyway. you can't evejn see 5 minutes at a time of the movie without missinformation, missderection or an outright lie. I would be shocked if there were a half dozen points or data that were accurate in the movie.
it was a sham and moore was hailed at the democratic convention as a guest of honor by the kerrie camp.. you should be ashamed for ignoring this. What kind of blinders do you liberals wear these days.
Oh well.... at least you won't have a say this election.
lazs
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Originally posted by GScholz
They don't have a vote, so it's not much use in spending money on swaying their minds. Political commercials only work on sheep anyways (like all commercials) ... perhaps that's why they are so effective (in all countries)? ;)
Political commercials, like say, Farenheit 911?
:D
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Originally posted by lazs2
sirloin... lets start with the first lines in the movie about how it was later "proven" that Bush had lost the election.... Recounts by four liberal and huge newspapers (new york times for one) did independent recounts in Florida and all concluded.... Bush won. moore knows this but lied anyway. you can't evejn see 5 minutes at a time of the movie without missinformation, missderection or an outright lie. I would be shocked if there were a half dozen points or data that were accurate in the movie.
it was a sham and moore was hailed at the democratic convention as a guest of honor by the kerrie camp.. you should be ashamed for ignoring this. What kind of blinders do you liberals wear these days.
Oh well.... at least you won't have a say this election.
lazs
I cannot believe you just waster 2 minutes of your life even responding to this guy.
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:rofl
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yeah I know but it just blows my mind that the foreigners think moores works are.... documentaries..
lazs
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Originally posted by SirLoin
:rofl
You arent too bright are you. GScholz basically called you a sheep...
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" Moore is a radical left-wing that hates Bush ... the so called SBVFT are mostly conservative Vietnam War veterans that hate Kerry for his anti-war activities. It's not like any of these people will tell you the whole story, or bring out the good parts. "
You are equating Moore with dozens of Viet Nam Vets, most of whom are decorated Naval Officers?? What color is the sky in your world??
C.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I don't see how those two sound clips makes Kerry a liar. What he said was true.
Nonsense,
Kerry admits to burning villages himself, he also claimed to be in Cambodia.
The "investigation" where he heard 150 "highly decorated" vets admit to war crimes was a sham. A quick goggle search will show you that.
But either way let's say he didn't lie. Then he's a war criminal as he admits to being.
What's it gonna be liar or war criminal?
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Ya think the Dem strategists are just now sitting down at HQ and asking each other if the "war hero" strategy was really such a good idea after all?
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GS, the GC is a contract, just like any other. When both parties respect the contract, all is well. When one party does not, there is no contract.
edit-And just to be clear, I am not saying that ignoring the GC is right, far from it. What I am saying is that you can not use the terms you did in respect to the actions of operations that did not fall under the GC.
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I agree, GS, but the terms can only be used when both nations respect them. That is to say, the US, as policy, was within the GC. Individuals, and individual units certainly went outside the bounds. But that does not make them war criminals, it only makes them common criminals.
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"No, I'm equating their recent work. Both are targeted at a politician for political reasons ... nothing to do with truth. "
You're talking through your hat.
You haven't a clue to what the "truth" is, but you self-importantly cast aspersions on the veracity of what dozens of Viet Nam Vet's have said about their experience in VN and with John Kerry. You have ZERO proof that these Vets are lying or politically motivated.
And yet, you have the audacity to include these Vets in the same sentence as the PROVEN lying propagandist, one Michael Moore. Bulls**t.........
C.
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Cabby, Cabby, Cabby ...
1. The organization these Vietnam vets belong to was only started AFTER Mr. Kerry started to run for President.
2. Funding for said organization comes from prominent Republican backers.
3. Can it not be deduced that there is some political agenda behind this?
4. A few of the men of this organization have come forward and said they were wrong to cast aspersions on Mr. Kerry.
5. Are you (cabby) saying that the Navy itself is lying in its citations for Mr. Kerry's medals?
Cheers,
Rifle
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It is not indiscriminate in a free-fire zone, among other things, so we will have to disagree on the issue, and since we know the outcome, you may assume that I am correct.
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How many war crime convictions resulted from the Vietnam War.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
The Kerry campaign calls on a publisher to 'withdraw book' written by group of veterans, claiming veterans are lying about Kerry's service in Vietnam and operating as a front organization for Bush. Kerry campaign has told Salon.com that the publisher of UNFIT FOR COMMAND is 'retailing a hoax'... 'No publisher should want to be selling books with proven falsehoods in them,' Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton tells the online mag.
Does this mean Bush should call on Moore to withdraw F911?
What a joke.
"TOUCHE" muckmaw !
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Is this what you base your accusations upon?
http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/littleton/v1119ver.htm
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I'd just like to point out that Moore isn't a left wing radical, but just an incredibly intelligent person.
He fills his movies and books so full of BS and plays it off to people he knows are not smart enough to know better. I'd be willing to bet that Moore goes home every night and laughs himself to sleep at the liberals.
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Scholz.....moral code?
LOL...and this from a european he he, oh well. Does not the gc say that only reconized military can fight, that underground activites, sabotage , impersonating members of the other side etc, are illegal?
Your right we dont recognize the i w c t . And unless kerry gets in we are not likely to hand over Americans to the likes of europe. You see we have a bill of rights, and have a right to trail by our peers, not by the inventers of nazism,communism and fascist types.
Also better search google a little more ,as the vets are more democrats and independents than republicans.
So if everything is up and up why wont kerry release his military record?