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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Lizard3 on August 20, 2004, 04:13:26 PM
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I've had a Barton 2800 for a while now, but unable to push it very far as the memory was old and slow.
I upgraded my 2 sticks of ddr 256mb to 2 sticks of DDR400 512mb. It arrived while I was online and logged in. I ended shut down the pc and installed the new memory. Went into the bios and pumped things up a good bit. Dialed back in, logged into AH2 and got some of the things on the screen, saw the new MOTD. Map was up, but things were kinda pulsing and flashing. Lines on the map, windows in the tower etc. Got a message within 10 to 15 seconds that said "aceshigh has caused an error in aceshigh.exe, please restart your computer and try again." (close to that anyway)
I closed the message and ah automatically closed. I tried it again and got the same message. So I rebooted. Tried it again. Exact same thing happend. So, I went back into bios and relaxed things a bit and tried again. This time it locked up. No message, no CTD, just locked up. No alt/tab, no alt/f4, no ctrl/alt/del. Punch the power button. reboot.
So now I go back in and relax things abit more. Same lockup.
Went to AH2 offline and adjusted the video settings a bit. I set the check mark to load the textures in ?system memory?. left the texture size at 512 as it has been. Tried it in offline mode. All works well. Upped a 163 real quick, shot down pyro I think crashed into another staff member and still no lockup.
Redialed, logged in, went to the tower and locked up. No message, no nuttin.
I'm going to install the patch that I just found and try it all again. Maybe tone the clock speed down somemore or something.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Let the motherboard BIOS detect the ram settings "By SPD". See if that helps.
What brand/make/model motherboard and ram?
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motherboard is:
ASUS A7N8X Deluxe
Ram is:
crucial DDRAM 512mb 64x64 PC-3200b 8T
2 sticks same stuff.
I've tried lots of different settings with no help. I did get online in the training arena, upped a 38 went to v base, rolled in and let loose some rockets. About 3 explosions later I got the ah error message and it all folded up. Tried Ozkansas offline and got in the tower. Checked out some skins in the hanger, picked one and tried to up. I did get on the runway, looked right and Got the message. Adjusted settings and tried again a few more times, same, got the message.
I've scaled everything back to what it was with the old memory in and it still doesn't work.
I tried Call of Duty game to see if that worked, and it did. It varied from extremely smooth to extremely choppy going as far as what seemed like 2 fps for a bit. When I got near a water fall it got choppy.
I'll try a few more things then maybe swap back LOL
will try the SPD thing first.
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No help so far. I jiggled and joggled just about every setting that may make a difference and it seems better, but dies after a bit.
Call of duty does it. Most everything eventually goes black except freindlies, enemies and equipment.
Combat missions screwes up as well. Loose the task bar at the bottom and get memory errors.
:OE : 0028 : Coo12D2C
and
NTKERN(01) +0000A265 ERROR OE: 0028 : C002A375
I have gotten online in training and dueling arenas. After one mission or so I get the error message or it just locks up.
Who'd a thunk getting twice as much and faster memory would cause so many problems.
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Ok Lizard, that is the same motherboard I was experimenting with and also happened to use Crucial memory.
I had an Athlon 3200+ XP.
I could duplicate the problem and had to do the following:
1) Make sure you have BIOS 1009 loaded. It has some fixes for memory timings.
2) I cleared the CMOS completely.
3) In the BIOS setup, I left everything stock and changed the "Memory" setting from "Auto" to "By SPD". The "Auto" memory timings are too agressive for the Crucial sticks.
After doing that the system was completely stable running Aces High II.
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Cool! I'll try that. Any tips for loading a new bios? Hehe, thats one of the things I could never seem to get to work right :D
Clearing the cmos is shorting those 2 posts out right?
Thanks again.
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Hey Skuz,
Is that 1009 a beta? I didn't see it on the ASUS website. Its probably not for my board anyway. Mines a 1.04 version, old...
I'll get back with you in a day or two and let ya know how it went.
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Lizard, install the ASUS Updater. It will allow you to install new BIOS's while in Windows. It will also show what BIOS's are available and what BIOS you have loaded.
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Skuzzinator,
First: Thanks for all the help.
I finally figured out that the updater was on my CD and loaded it up. No download available on the web.
Intalled it and fired it up. It updated itself LOL. It was about 3 versions out of date. Next: Tried everything under the friggin sun to get it to update my bios but it clunks up whatever I try. Spent 30 minutes watching it try to connect to the only server that has bios's. It connects/disconnects reputedly for 10 seconds or so, then just sits there for 30 seconds or so. No modem activity, then tries again.
I do have the latest version posted on the ASUS website for the version board I have, and will go from there. I've downloaded a bunch of updated drivers for the board and that may fix the memory problems. We'll see.
If you could maybe you could email me the 1009 bios (cubelizard at earthlinkdotnet)
While looking around at some troubleshooting sites I read about some beta bios's out there namely 1010, 1011 and 1012. Seems 1012 is pretty stable. The other 2 have trouble accessing the setup using the del key...
Again thanks for the help.
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I got it good enough to hang in the training arena for 20 minutes or more, but the MA doesn't work for more than 5 and that if I stay in the tower. If I hit the hanger at a feild thats smokin or near flying aircraft it boots me out. I get big flashes of white squares, then it settles down for a minute. As soon as I head for the hanger I get the flashes again and it gives me the error message. The white squares are on top of objects like the sun, bombs in the hanger etc.
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Lizard, that really sounds like heat or power related issues. The flashing white squares is a clue.
What is the CPU temperature after immediately exiting Aces High? They usually are about 10 degrees (F) hotter than when at idle.
What kind of power supply do you have in that system (make/brand/wattage)?
Also, is the CPU unlocked? Or are you overclocking it using the FSB? Have you tried to just clear the CMOS and run with power up defaults?
I do not have a copy of the 1009 BIOS as the motherboard I have already has it installed. I think I can save it as a file. I'll try tonight.
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The 1008 is the latest official BIOS for the A7N8X DELUXE. I would avoid Betas. The 1010 is the latest for the non-Deluxe version .
I emailed you both BIOS 1008 for the original and version 2 board. Make sure you use the right one and follow instructions carefully.
I would use the Nforce Unified Motherboard Drivers. The latest for XP is below. I am still using the 4.24 package. Just say NO when it asks if you want to install the Nforce IDE driver.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_udp_winxp_4.27
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That's odd Davenrino. The ASUS updater is showing 1009 as the latest non-beta available and my motherboard came with 1009.
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Skuzz, its UNDERclocked. Its a 2800+ thats clocking in at Athlon 2200 speeds.
I've been all over the spectrum, but right now its 133 x12.5 or 1662
I've "underclocked" the memory as well, its at 160 v.s. the 200 at best "SPD".
Thats the thing, when I got the memory I thought I could run it like it should be run. That was why I'm so suprised it coughed up hairballs.
I try and go back to the old memory and just see if it will work.
If I remember correctly, it was running at 133 x 12 and memory at 150.
Power supply is an Eagle 300w
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Oh yeah, Dave, I'm still using Winders ME
hehe
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Originally posted by Lizard3
Oh yeah, Dave, I'm still using Winders ME
hehe
LOL,
No wonder you are having problems. Here is ME package-
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_udp_win9x_4.27
Also, AMD boards do not run well with asyncronus bus speeds. You might wanna try both set to your CPU stock speed of 166.
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That power supply raises a red flag for me 300 watts is not very much power output anymore, it is a possibilty that your new memory draws enough more amps to cause troubles. Only a guess mind you, but one of the things I'd check out.
Try disconnecting as much non-essential stuff as you can and see how it fairs. Also try one stick of ram at a time - uses less power and might eliminate a bad stick of ram too.
(I'd sure would rather see you with something from Antec or PC Power & Cooling at least the 400+ watt neighborhood with that processor and the components I am guessing you have etc.)
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Temps are running:
MB
30c/86f
CPU
46c/114f
Is that good or bad?
The white squares resolve themselves into color/panels/ objects. Off line its not so bad. Pretty quick. Online in the TA its just a flash...sometimes. Othertimes I dont see it at all.
When I'm about to get the message, they usually kinda hang there, and after I get the message it clears up/ resolves itself. The message is already there, so I hafta click on it. Egads.
You recon my power supply is to puny to run all that CPU/memory/ vid card?
btw, I'm using a Ti4200 128mb
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
That's odd Davenrino. The ASUS updater is showing 1009 as the latest non-beta available and my motherboard came with 1009.
Skuzzy, is your board the Deluxe version? I just downloaded those 1008 BIOS's from the ASUS site an hour ago and there wasn't a 1009 for the Deluxe version. There are different BIOS for all the various versions of the A7N8X.
DJ229 aka Dave
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It's the -E Deluxe. Wierd.
I have a bad feeling his power supply is not going to cut it. 300W is not what I would be using in that setup. I would bite the bullet and get a 430W Antec TruPower for it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It's the -E Deluxe. Wierd.
I have a bad feeling his power supply is not going to cut it. 300W is not what I would be using in that setup. I would bite the bullet and get a 430W Antec TruPower for it.
OK, that is the difference. The - E uses a different BIOS than the original and Revision 2 A7N8X - Deluxe. May may be right about the PSU and it is hard to beat an Antec.
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Well, I went out and snagged an Antec tru-powa 430w and it didn't fix it. Hehe at least I know thats not it. It may have had a bearing on it though.
After monkeying with everything under the sun I went to swap the sticks back and noticed(not for the first time) that 2 of the slots are blue and one is brown. I had had one in brown and one in blue when I had the old sticks in and had put the new ones in the same way. Decided I'd got for true blue and put them both in the blue slots. Now its working in dual channel mode! I was wonderin how one went about getting that happenin.
I re-cleared the cmos and decided to leave most everything at default except killing all the on board cra...stuff I don't use. Lo and behold it works pretty well so far. Couldn't kill it offline, everything looks smooth and white squares are gone. The transitions between tower, hanger and flight are crisp, no delays or mushyness. I'm fixin to test it online. I'll lets yas know how it goes.....
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Ah well, that didna last long. Confident, I went to the main. Tower at a base being NOE'd, smoke everywhere, I looked left and saw 2 spits a niki and the sun. The sun got a big white square on it, so I looked back straight. Looked back again and it all locked up. :(
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on my asus a7n8x-e deluxe
ive got the cpu set @ 12x166 ,and the ram is in the blue slots for dual .
idle temp is 46c
load temp is 49c
to fix ah i had to lower the sound excelleration one notch .
and i had to beshure all harddrive ,monitor,and system timeouts were turned off (this was causing a lockup also)
im not loading any textures in the memory currently .
im not shure if ive got everything fixed yet but ive been able to fly for over an hour now without a lock up .
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
and i had to beshure all harddrive ,monitor,and system timeouts were turned off (this was causing a lockup also)
Could you explain this part in a little more detail? I'm not sure what that is or where to find it.
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shure ill try ..
now in the bios is the "power management setup "
acpi suspend to rom [disabled]
video off method [dpms support]
pwr button < 4 secs [soft off]
power up on pci device [enabled]
wake/powerup on ext modem [disabled]
automatic power up [disabled]
ac power loss restart [disabled]
power n by mouse [disabled]
power on by keyboard [disabled]
^^^ thats what mine is set at now for the windows settings
Go to display properties (right clic on desktop)
then to the screen saver tab at the botten it has the settings button for the screen saver , this takes you to the power managment properties .
system standby never
turn off monitor never
turn off hard disks never
^ until i set mine like that i was getting a black screen of death so until i fine tune it or figure it out compleatly ive got it at those settings .
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now on my other pc the game seams to work fine with the monitor set at 30 mins , it even wakes up correctly
but something about the a7n8x-e deluxe and perhaps my video card combo doesnt let it wake up . so thats why i have it all turned off at this time . (this only happens in AH so far )