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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on August 22, 2004, 05:35:49 PM
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Folks, if the harrasing comments and taunting does not stop in channel 1, we will turn it off and leave it off as a default for the CT.
Please, keep Channel 1 for friendly chat and salutes.
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Turn it off
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Turn it off
If this game gets anymore sissified ima gonna have to take my ball and go home
What the hell is squelch for again?
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You puss. :D
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milquetoasts.
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Edit for lack of respect and language.
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1. Enabale ch 200. Player has to "select" is thus forfits text police.
They should be able to say anything they want on ch200 without being monitored, muted or ejected from the game.
2. Keep ch1, monitor it and remove any player that is abuses it or any other "PUBLIC" ch. This way guys in other countries can still comunicate without having to listen to the ch 200 garbage.
3. Squad ch is a "private" ch and should not be monitored. The squad member can always remove himself from that squad if he does not like what is being said.
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nah, why cancel and give them satisfaction. if "waaaaa" is all you said, an hr muting seems excessively draconian when the "moderators" can make it only 10 mins. u sure you didn't trip the obscenity filter?
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Shane certainly deserved it more. :D
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whether you're muted or just trip the filter the time is the same, it's an arena setting (in seconds I believe) the default could have been excessively high and the CM wasn't aware. 60 mins seems a little rough, 10-15 should be good enough, mute then if they haven't calmed down in 10-15 mins you can up the time and eject them , which uses the same settings.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Shane certainly deserved it more. :D
Hi kettle, how ya doing?
:aok
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Not bad at all, pot-ty. Yerself? :D :cool: :aok :lol
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Soul: 60 minutes squech time? I'll change it back to 15 minutes.
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My little sister is tougher than most of you guys.
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Originally posted by Grits
My little sister is tougher than most of you guys.
internet tough guy eh?
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I'm not a tough guy, but some folks tear up over nothing. So what some person in a GAME[/b] called you a name and hurts your widdle feewings?
If you dont want to hear what a person has to say HT already gave you a remedy, its called the squelch command.
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Originally posted by Shane
milquetoasts.
I blame myself.
Some guys went into a vultching spree on us and so I politely asked if they had brought enough Tampons to get through the entire evening or if they were simply mad because their wives had beaten them up again.
I also opined that perhaps their sisters had made them churlish by taking back all the skirts and skorts lent them over the summer.
If you can't demonstrate familial concern for mincing "fellers" who lost their testicles, why even have an airplane sim, you know?
Sincerley,
Mr. Mortified, sakai
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Guess X2 don't realize it's an automated system.:(
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bear its not automated. the language filter only catch xxx. moderators can use the .mute xxx command for muting.
and also
.eject xxx for booting.
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Originally posted by Grits
I'm not a tough guy, but some folks tear up over nothing. So what some person in a GAME called you a name and hurts your widdle feewings?
If you dont want to hear what a person has to say HT already gave you a remedy, its called the squelch command. [/B]
Wrong answer. Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
If you want to carry on a heated discussion, then take it private.
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being abusive is big, and it is clever.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Wrong answer. Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
If you want to carry on a heated discussion, then take it private.
I strenuously disagree.
Guys who vultch in CT have fought prejudices against their kind for centuries and now you want to force them back into a closet?
"Don't ask don't tell"? Is that it?
You saying these guys who vultch are some how wrog because of their sexual orientation?
Hey, one America man, that's all I'm saying ok?
Sakai
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Don't put words in my mouth. I was addressing abusive behavior/language.
It does not belong in the game. There is no justification for it.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Don't put words in my mouth. I was addressing abusive behavior/language.
It does not belong in the game. There is no justification for it.
Abusive ehhh?
Oh, I see, so when a cross dressing vultcher queen delves into S&M, you want them in the closet and off channel 1?????
You know, they are people too and need to free to express themselves.
You hate them just because their lifestyle has made them vultchers, admit it.
Sakai
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Wrong answer. Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok. There are no conditions where it is acceptable. None.
It does not add to the game. It is a detriment.
Whilst I agree with the above, HTC should apply the given set of rules to all equally or none at all.
Sometimes people argue for hours and nothing happens, yet some other time a single word get you muted for 60 minutes.
That’s simply not right, no matter what you say.
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That would require monitoring 24 hours a day and 7 days a week and that is simply not possible.
Truth is, we should not have to monitor it at all. Requiring us to monitor it 24x7 is not solving the base problem.
You can say I am not right all day long, but it does not add any solution to the issue. If you advocate abusive behavior is acceptable, you are wrong, regardless of why you take that position.
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[SIZE=8]IN[/SIZE] :D
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Mr. Skuzzy: There are times when you get suckered in
By drugs and alchohol and sex with women-mmkay
But its when you do these things too much
That you've become an addict and must get back in touch
You can do it Its all up to you-mmmmmkay
With a little plan you can change your life tooo-day
You dont have to spend your life addicted to smack
Homeless on the streets giving handjobs for crack
Follow my plan and very soon you will see-eeyy, its easy mmkay
Step 1: Instead of bellybutton say buns, like "kiss my buns" or "you're a buns hole"
Step 2: Instead of **** say poo, as in "bull poo", "poo head" and this "poo is cold"
Step 3: With ***** drop the t because bich is latin for generosity
Step 4: Dont say **** any more because **** is the worst word that you can say
So just use the word mmmkay!
CT'ers: We can do it its all up to us-mmmkay (mmmkay)
With a little plan we can change our lives tooo-day
Mr, Skuzzy: you can change it today
Everyone: We don't have to spend our lives shootin up in the trash
Homeless on the streets giving handjobs for cash
Follow this plan and very soon you will see-eey
Its easy mmkay!
Mr. Skuzzy: Step 1 CT'ers: Instead of bellybutton say buns, like kiss my buns or
you're a buns hole
Mr. Skuzzy: Step 2 CT'ers: Instead of **** say poo, as in bull poo, poo head and this poo is cold
Mr. Mackey: Step 3 CT'ers: With ***** drop the t because bich is latin for generosity
Mr. Mackey: Step 4 CT'ers: Dont say **** any more
Everyone: Cuz **** is the worst word that you can say
CT'ers: **** is the worst word that you can say
We shouldn't say ****, no we shouldn't say ****, **** nooooo!!!
Mr. Skuzzy: Your cured, you can go!
Everyone: We don't have to spend our lives shootin up in the trash
homeless on the streets giving handjobs for cash
Follow this plan and very soon you will saaay
Its easy mmmkay!
CT'ers: It's easy mmmkay!
Mr. Skuzzy: It's easy mmmkay!
CT'ers: It's easy mmmkay!
Mr. Skuzzy: It's easy mmmkaaaaaaaayy
CT'ers: It's easy mmm
It's easy mmm
It's easy mmm
It's easy mmmkaaaay
(both finish at same time)
(laughing)
Mr. Skuzzy: Mmmkay
Mmmkay
Mmmkay
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Somebody give Furby back his meds. He is losing it!
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Wrong answer. Particularly on open channel, being abusive is never good. Nor can you rationalize it to be ok.
For the record, I dont think abusive behavior is OK, my point was you dont HAVE to listen to it.
.squelch Grits
Works every time.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
That would require monitoring 24 hours a day and 7 days a week and that is simply not possible.
Truth is, we should not have to monitor it at all. Requiring us to monitor it 24x7 is not solving the base problem.
You can say I am not right all day long, but it does not add any solution to the issue. If you advocate abusive behavior is acceptable, you are wrong, regardless of why you take that position.
I am not advocating the abusive behavior. I am advocating “Same Rules for All”.
It’s up to HTC to find the solution which will work for the majority. Right now, the “System” is broken and unfair.
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Squelching an abusive player is a bandaid for the real problem. The abusive player is the problem. And we have an answer for that. Mute, eject, and ban if necessary.
No one should have to listen to it and it is unfair to use the "squelch them if you don't like it" answer. See above.
By saying, "if you don't like it, squelch it", you are saying that it is ok for a player to be abusive. Point of fact, it is not ok.
It is about choices. If a player chooses to be abusive, then that player better be ready to handle the ramifications of that choice.
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ok skuzzy, let's see your take on this:
player 1 (use me for example if you want) says:
lol, you hordemonkey ackhugging basebunnies, takes 5 of you as usual.
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learn to fly that plane, 3 v 1 and all of you went down. can we say suckage?
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the TA is ------> go make use of it.
and player 2 responds back with something like:
you homo, i bet your mother doesn't even love you. I don't live in AH like you do. Why are you such an ass?
then players 3,4,5 and 6+ go off in the same vein as player #2.
who's being "abusive"?
personally, i never go outside of the game context unless someone says something like the above, which happens quite often because they can't seem to think of some game-related comeback, or possess the willingness to learn their plane.
and even then i'll usually stick with game context related barbs.
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aww no one seen the south park film?
and cant i have your meds instead skuzzy? they are more fun.
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I have seen and own the film Furball. I would have made a reference to Saddam, but I I felt it could be construed as being a bit over the top. You couldn't handle my meds. :)
Shane, there is a huge difference between taunting and being abusive. There is nothing wrong with a good taunt, as long as the person taunting knows there is a line that can be crossed.
The response you gave to the taunting was over the top. BUT, if the person taunting keeps feeding them, then he/she is just as guilty.
If I come into a situation where multiple players are just having a good old fashion flamefest on the open channel, I will mute them all and privately tell them why. I can get away with this. The MA moderators cannot do this.
Depending on what was being said, I may unmute them with the clear understanding they need to calm it down.
It is understood there are times when people will get miffed. We would like to hope that an angry player will have enough sense to back away and cool off, but in reality, it seldom happens.
This player will usually apologize for his/her behavior later on. Not always, but it is something to watch for.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Shane, there is a huge difference between taunting and being abusive. There is nothing wrong with a good taunt, as long as the person taunting knows there is a line that can be crossed.
OK, I was lumping taunting in with abusive. I see what you are saying about crossing a line and abusive being unacceptable and I agree.
The problem is, some of the more dainty and easily offended dont want you to hear even a single negative (IE a taunt not abuse) thing. To some folks the accurate description of another player as an "Alt monkey cherrypicker" or "ack hugger" or "gangbanger" is not actually a description, its abuse.
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Wow, cant we all just get along. I leave for a week and come back to this?
If you are playing the game, and having a good time, abusive behavior on the channels should never happen.
If the first part of that sentence does not hold true, what the heck are you doing playing? I have a wall you could beat your head against.
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you want the meds?!?! you cannt hanndle the meds!
you no meds handler youu!
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player 1 (use me for example if you want) says:
lol, you hordemonkey ackhugging basebunnies, takes 5 of you as usual.
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learn to fly that plane, 3 v 1 and all of you went down. can we say suckage?
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the TA is ------> go make use of it.
Gee shane, did you pull these dingers off of some of your text sceen shots?
:rofl
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Some people will take a taunt as being abusive. That is true. Then you know the line with that player and should just recognize it and move along.
If you persist, after you know the player is going to take it personal, then you crossed the line.
A good taunt will provoke someone to engage. It is a lure, bait for the unsuspecting. Used in that manner, it can be a lot of fun. It becomes abusive when the player you are taunting reacts negatively and you keep going on with the taunt.
I look at it like this; If a player responds negatively to a taunt, then that player is not going to be any fun anyways. They probably will not grant a when it is over and are more likely to just go on a verbal tirade if they are shot down.
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I do believe that this is the most I've ever seen Skuzzy in the CT or its forum. Sorry for the circumstances, but good to see you, Skuzzy!
Wish I'd been online to see Sakai v. the Vulchers. Must have been a classic.
- oldman (headed for vacation, see youse guys in a week or so)
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Even if those self-same players may taunt others themselves?
Heck sometimes I'll be taunting player A, and then unrelated, not in area (depending on arena) players B, C and D start humping merrily away on my ankle. :eek:
It doesn't bother me, per se, i have thick skin, but... yanno? I won't maintain a verbal engagement past the initial one. If player A doesn't respond, or merely says, "too bad, suck it down" I'll generally leave it at that. But nooooo, some people just have to try and play word warrior and then act all offended when they lose that, too. :rolleyes:
ah well. :D
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X2Lee's actions were handled within the policies set by HTC. His 'waaaaa' comment was right after I asked a few pilots to ease up on their remarks to one another. I dealt with his actions but he left the arena before I could say why he was muted or unmute his account.
No one should receive any unwanted abuse from other CT players, especially toward the volunetter CT Staff. As volunteers, we put a lot of free time into the arena and abuse from players is not appreciated.
This isn't a hard concept: if you were at a soup kitchen, do you think poking fun at the people serving out the soup will get you hero cookie as a bonus? Do you think a volunteer in any organization would put up harrassment from people using it's services? This has everything to do with respect for your fellow player. If you can't be respectful to one another, channel 1 will be turned off just as it is in the MA.
Personally, I like the ability to chat on channel 1 with everyone, especially as staff, but lately there have been a few Keyboard Generals ruining it.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Wish I'd been online to see Sakai v. the Vulchers. Must have been a classic.
If it was the night in the 2nd week of the slot I am thinking of, it was classic.
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Originally posted by Grits
To some folks the accurate description of another player as an "Alt monkey cherrypicker" or "ack hugger" or "gangbanger" is not actually a description, its abuse.
First off ... "accurate descriptions" are often not. I'd venture that half the time it's frustration. With Shane it's more akin to Tourettes.
Second ... it may be getting officially classified as abuse by Skuzzy and moderators but you know that I know that you know that I know that they're actually whines. And as such, I've made my mirth over such whines known from day one. But that may have to change as well because .. well ... that's just plain `ol abusive, yaknow. :D
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MMMM-KAY
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Originally posted by Grits
For the record, I dont think abusive behavior is OK, my point was you dont HAVE to listen to it.
.squelch Grits
Works every time.
I should not have to log in and start squelching ten guys. This is basicly my point about ch1 and ch200. We do need someone to monitor the arenaa just as Mr Fork is doing (you know, the person whom posted this). If you do it and get caught, pay the price. However, there are more than one persons that need to be muted more than others. Lets either do it right or not at all. HTC please make up your mind!
What happened to the NEW RULES about this UBB? Are they now old and being ignored? Whan ya gonna start locking threads and booting out guys?
Inforce the bloody rules or get lost!
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.squelch Arlo
:D
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Enforce:D
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Sorry, I think its stupid. Kill ch1, thats fine.
Although there was a nice command called .squelch 1 so you didn't have to hear anything.
Muting people for what they say on ch 200 is just plain retarded. You have to TUNE to channel 200. It isn't just sitting there by default. If you don't want people dressing you down in public for your ****ty flying, don't tune to ch 200. Then even if they say anything, it is like they magically didn't say anything, to you anyway.
It seems awfully kindergardenish to me.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Sorry, I think its stupid. Kill ch1, thats fine.
Although there was a nice command called .squelch 1 so you didn't have to hear anything.
Muting people for what they say on ch 200 is just plain retarded. You have to TUNE to channel 200. It isn't just sitting there by default. If you don't want people dressing you down in public for your ****ty flying, don't tune to ch 200. Then even if they say anything, it is like they magically didn't say anything, to you anyway.
It seems awfully kindergardenish to me.
I agree with all but the .squelch 1. I should not have to log in and start squelching things. Too bad there is not a permnt .squelch programed into the game. Logging in and typing several squelches gets old.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Folks, if the harrasing comments and taunting does not stop in channel 1, we will turn it off and leave it off as a default for the CT.
Please, keep Channel 1 for friendly chat and salutes.
I believe the initial post mentioned "harassing comments and taunting" then somehow the terminology became "abusive". There is a clear difference between the two and I believe that has been recognized by skuzzy.
But why do we have a CT staffer, posting a statement like this above, clearly not in line with what I believe you are defining skuzzy(aka HTC), and than making threats to support it??
I find this far more disturbing than any half wit piping off on channel 1. Am I wrong?
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Originally posted by TheBug
I believe the initial post mentioned "harassing comments and taunting" then somehow the terminology became "abusive". There is a clear difference between the two and I believe that has been recognized by skuzzy.
But why do we have a CT staffer, posting a statement like this above, clearly not in line with what I believe you are defining skuzzy(aka HTC), and than making threats to support it??
I find this far more disturbing than any half wit piping off on channel 1. Am I wrong?
You are wrong. Because you are never right eg. You are wrong.
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Is that a harrassing comment or a taunt?? I'm new at this.
Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful.
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"Guys who vultch in CT have fought prejudices against their kind for centuries"
Ughh, wtf are you talking about?...
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Yo!
I bet you're going to Wildwood to sing Do-Wop man.
Beeg
Originally posted by Oldman731
I do believe that this is the most I've ever seen Skuzzy in the CT or its forum. Sorry for the circumstances, but good to see you, Skuzzy!
Wish I'd been online to see Sakai v. the Vulchers. Must have been a classic.
- oldman (headed for vacation, see youse guys in a week or so)
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Originally posted by TheBug
Is that a harrassing comment or a taunt?? I'm new at this.
Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful.
Don't go changing, to try & please me You'll never have to work that hard. :D
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when you whiners watch a film, do you watch it with mute on if there is too much swearing?
why not just squelch channel 1?
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
X2Lee's actions were handled within the policies set by HTC. His 'waaaaa' comment was right after I asked a few pilots to ease up on their remarks to one another. I dealt with his actions but he left the arena before I could say why he was muted or unmute his account.
No one should receive any unwanted abuse from other CT players, especially toward the volunetter CT Staff. As volunteers, we put a lot of free time into the arena and abuse from players is not appreciated.
This isn't a hard concept: if you were at a soup kitchen, do you think poking fun at the people serving out the soup will get you hero cookie as a bonus? Do you think a volunteer in any organization would put up harrassment from people using it's services? This has everything to do with respect for your fellow player. If you can't be respectful to one another, channel 1 will be turned off just as it is in the MA.
Personally, I like the ability to chat on channel 1 with everyone, especially as staff, but lately there have been a few Keyboard Generals ruining it.
Well, to mute any person for typing 'waaaaa' is right out ridiculous! I have been in the CT numerous times and have never heard of such things. MisterFork, please try not to abuse the god like powers that you have been intrusted with. If they make you feel like you are so much superior than anyone else, then you should relinquish them and step aside. don't hide behind the
X2Lee's actions were handled within the policies set by HTC.
card.
and if the system/ company/ HTC is going to allow this type of reprimand in the CT , they should make it so in every arena.
That would mean alot of people being muted for expression.
As for the 60 minutes muting, if you don't know the rules upfront of how the CM commands work and intial use, you should not have the commands to start with.
as for X2Lee, with what he has called a childish act / use of powers for typing 'waaaaa' and being muted 60 minutes , he has washed his hands of Aces High.
if it is all as it has been explained in this thread, I can not see where X2Lee was out of line anywhere, except where his reply was edited ( I don't know what it said there). Bug brings up a very valid point as well :
Originally posted by Mister Fork Folks, if the harrasing comments and taunting does not stop in channel 1, we will turn it off and leave it off as a default for the CT.
Please, keep Channel 1 for friendly chat and salutes.
Originally posted by Bug
I believe the initial post mentioned "harassing comments and taunting" then somehow the terminology became "abusive". There is a clear difference between the two and I believe that has been recognized by skuzzy.
But why do we have a CT staffer, posting a statement like this above, clearly not in line with what I believe you are defining skuzzy(aka HTC), and than making threats to support it??
I find this far more disturbing than any half wit piping off on channel 1. Am I wrong?
I think this is a very valid point Bug, I think Mister Fork has let his powers go to his head, this is in no way good form!
anyhow...I hope all this works out for the best, but by all means I think it should be dealt with properly and professionally! Good Day Ladys and Gentlemen!
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Originally posted by Furball
when you whiners watch a film, do you watch it with mute on if there is too much swearing?
why not just squelch channel 1?
Why not just tune in ch200 when you log on?
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Just think how simple everything would be if the moderation stuck to obvious problems- like profanity. If people start getting creative in mundane roles such as moderation, you WILL - WITHOUT A DOUBT - creat a two teir user base. It will be just another MUD where dateless computer geeks can flaunt some bestowed power. The smart customers will leave.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Why not just tune in ch200 when you log on?
Why don't you?
Personally, i love taunting - its part of the game for me, i will always give a afterwards though.
Its people that take this game far too seriously that have a prob with it. You will get taunting, tempers flaring, hissy fits etc. in anything thats competitive. Get over it!
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What TC said!
DmdMax
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Originally posted by TheBug
Is that a harrassing comment or a taunt?? I'm new at this.
Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful.
You're so pretty it's damn hard not to.
Sakai
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"Guys who vultch in CT have fought prejudices against their kind for centuries"
Ughh, wtf are you talking about?...
Vulchers are Gypsies?
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TC has it right:aok