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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: X2Lee on August 22, 2004, 08:40:03 PM
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Its been a great source of entertainment for a few years now
But I fing the jackboot policies of the moderators just past my boiling point. HTC your game is a true gem. To all my friends and enemies a huge salute, to my squadron you guys are the best
best wishs to and God bless.I am going to make this my last post as I find clean breaks easiest for me.
Best wishs
TommyLee Penrow
aka X2Lee
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*sigh* another Spit Dweeb gone....
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Good luck x2lee and God bless you and yours.
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Cya, I'll miss your banter. Respectfully <
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Karaya
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Seeya later, X2Lee. It was fun dueling you while flying under Honch's account way back when.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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X2 - the board is another game. HTC has decided to neuter it, but AH is still the same :) I despise heavy handed moderation also, but it shouldn't make you leave the flying game. Just find another *OPEN, free democratic (note the small d ) ideals* board to argue political and practice rhetoric. Go to the arena to blow up planes when you need a break. And come here if ever you feel the need to be patted on the head by a babysitter :D
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Does'nt this belong in General Discussion with all the other "I Quit" whines?
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Originally posted by rpm371
Does'nt this belong in General Discussion with all the other "I Quit" whines?
How nice.
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Originally posted by AWMac
*sigh* another Spit Dweeb gone....
He flew the P-38L and quite well too.
x2Lee, sad to see you go after many years of flying with you. You and bhag were the only other former Red Dawn squaddies that survived to make it to AH.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Tumor
How nice.
Youll get much more of this once the usual suspects show up.
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Bye, Bye X2lee
Zazen
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He flew the P-38L and quite well too.
ack-ack
Yes, he did.
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How dare you use rpmhats political and kerry knob slobber forum like this X2lee.
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Farewell X2Lee
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X2Lee was always a class act, going back to AW dayz.
He also has a right to his opinion, and to say goodbye if he wants to.
culero (saying)
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X2Lee it has been my extreme pleasure to get to know you if just a little over the past years. You have always been a worthy friend & a good advesary.
I hate to see you leave AH because HT felt he needed to clean house on the BBS a bit.
Walk away from the BBS for a bit & come fly more!
Come on back when your ready, until then you will be missed.
May you find clear skys & the wind at your back wherever you go sir.
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X2Lee, was nice winging with you on occasion in the CT.
I'm taking a break too.... back in December!
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X2...good luck in whatever activities you find to replace AH with. I've been out of the skies for over a year now. The call does grow fainter with time. I'm spending a lot more time with my wife and son now than I did when I flew. Hope your absence from this game breeds positive things for you, as well.
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I give ya 90 days and you'll be back - cu then
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Heh, if he's too p.o.'d it'll prolly be a month b4 he even reads this board again, if at all.
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Ahhh....help....I am being repressed!!!
Jackboot, eh? Quit being a drama queen.
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A whine has been recorded
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tumor, is there any connection between your location and your avatar?:confused:
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Hey Tommy,
I haven't been playing for a while but I'd like to think you will be keeping your eye on the game and open to coming back here or hooking up in another game.
I've been playing some IL2, MCM2, Joint Operations and such..
Checksix hooks up for Joint Operations quite a bit, you might like that.
hope to see you around.
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X2 Lee:
Best of luck .
I remember how well you fought in AirWarrior , when Cuca and Gin were trying to teach me stuff , I also used to fly around above your dogfights ( where I 1/2 assed safe from gettin' killed ) and watch you kill cons , trying to learn how-too stuff . I got killed alot in that game lol...
ps I have moved on also ......
CHECKERS aka Cuca`s Squad CHKRS, AW ......
THe SEASERPENTS CHKRS AW & AH...
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You still enjoy the game, but you're quitting because you can't post stupid watermelon on the BBS anymore? Heh, whatever keeps ya happy man. ;)
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Originally posted by X2Lee
I am going to make this my last post as I find clean breaks easiest for me.
:( dammit, you can't leave now, we still didn't get chief Runny Bunny to duel us
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Does quitting the game make him a Runny Bunny?
Really, I'm not sure. I can't keep track of the terms you kids are using.
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Nah, it just makes him a big pansie like that Eagl guy! :p
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no he is quitting cause the moderator in the CT muted him for 60 mins for saying waaaaaaaaaaa.
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So... that means he'll be back in a year or whenever TOD starts?
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You know, I haven't seen his posts being edited for content or deleted. I actually haven't seen him step out of bounds. I MAY have missed it, but he and I had some pointed disagreements and he never once was anything but decent, regardless of how vehemently we disagree.
This may not be about the BBS.
This MAY be about the "radio" in the game.
I did get muted for "language" in a rather heated but actually fairly clean (at least with regards to foul language) arguement the other night, but it most certainly was not with X2Lee. I think the worst thing I said was prettythang. I felt it was a little childish and heavy handed, but it ain't MY game. It was a heated arguement, and neither of us was even close to pleasant. Both were muted, I got over it, he ( NOT X2Lee ) whined about it the rest of the night.
Perhaps he got muted or ejected from the game itself and felt it was excessive.
I do not know anything about what happened, nor do I have any details about any incident that MAY have caused this, I am merely offering an alternative explanation.
If he does not want to discuss it, and wants to leave, it is his choice. He is a good pilot and a good guy. We are lessened by his departure.
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Sorry to see this X2Lee, Always a class act
Newbs
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This might be a bit off topic, but since x2lee's gone, he won't notice or mind, right?
This isn't a slam against HTC, so read the whole thing before you get mad and then take it for what it's worth (probably not much) :)
I've personally noticed that the "community" in the arena seems a lot smaller now that ch 1 is gone and the moderators are more aggressive. The only people I talk to in the arena are people in my squad and those in the flying zoo, and occasionally a couple other people in the country who I know or who say hi. Everything else is essentially squelched due to no ch 1 and fear of moderation.
Being unable to squelch the radio contributes to this because I find myself thinking *just shut up!* which makes me even less likely to verbally interact with other players.
I know it had to be done because of people abusing the original open communication channels, but for me it makes the killing much less personal. Opponents are no longer real live pilots to be destroyed, feared, or respected. Instead, they're just icons to be fragged without a second thought because we'll never exchange anything more meaningful than gunfire.
I used to enjoy getting the occasional *finger* from someone I'd bounced and then shot in the chute (hehe), but it's just not worth the effort anymore since they're not real people. There's just no communication between countries and that's dribbled over to less communication within countries too. I got bounced by some dude, never saw him coming, and had no easy way to ask where he came from and tell him that he's very sneeky. How does "salute" express "You sneeky bastage! where did you come from? Nice shot, but check 6 because I'm looking for you this time". No kill messages on the buffer anymore, so nobody but us noticed the kill and it was totally impersonal for both of us.
Of course in my work I'm used to a harder "edge" to personal interaction and stuff that gets threads locked/deleted and people banned or muted is just another day at the office, because we can't afford to pull punches in our business or people die. Here, it's not people's lives that are at stake, rather the existence of HTC is at stake. Without HTC there is no game.
The original game (CK/WB and even early AH) had a bit of that edge but as the community grew and got too big for everyone to know everyone else, people took it too far. I remember back when hatch (byngtn) used to go online and stir up quite a bit of hate himself, and it was pretty much encouraged by the company because it kept the arena interesting for the old hats. When was the last time HT or Pyro jumped into the arena with a fake id, got a few people angry enough to challenge them to a duel, then whomped up on them in a fair fight? It just won't happen because the customer base isn't the same. We used to be able to handle that, shrug it off with a good laugh and a "dude you got me good!", and buy a beer at the con. Not anymore. I was mad as hell at hatch when he lured me into a duel then cheated at the merge every time, but it sure seemed funny later on plus I learned a few things about how simple "cheats" at a merge can determine a fight before really gets started. Good clean fun.
The USAF is facing a similiar trend and fighting it tooth and nail. We call these kids "SNAPs" for Sensitive New Age Pilots, and they're learning the hard way that when your actions determine life and death for both your wingmen and the people on the ground you are going to kill, you better be able to take hard core full frontal feedback with your ego checked at the door.
Which is why AH is a game, bringing me to my real point - I think HTC would have a lot more customer relations problems without the moderators and other behavioral modification policies. So knowing that I'm giving you a false dilemma, I'll ask you: What would the majority of customers prefer? An unmoderated arena that is full of intolerable verbal abuse, or a moderation scheme that occasionally seems to be too twitchy?
I guess this reply is not entirely off topic then.
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Originally posted by eagl
The USAF is facing a similiar trend and fighting it tooth and nail. We call these kids "SNAPs" for Sensitive New Age Pilots, and they're learning the hard way that when your actions determine life and death for both your wingmen and the people on the ground you are going to kill, you better be able to take hard core full frontal feedback with your ego checked at the door.
Which is why AH is a game, bringing me to my real point - I think HTC would have a lot more customer relations problems without the moderators and other behavioral modification policies. So knowing that I'm giving you a false dilemma, I'll ask you: What would the majority of customers prefer? An unmoderated arena that is full of intolerable verbal abuse, or a moderation scheme that occasionally seems to be too twitchy?
A good post.
I like the unmoderated "peer pressure only" arenas. My favorite places to hang out (like BigWeek) are unmoderated and while things might get nasty for a bit, the combination of group pressure and the passage of time mellows most all abuse.
A squelch detector might be nice too--Someone gets squelched by a certain amount of people and they are bounced for a period of time.
I'm sure we'll hear the "what about the children?" comebacks about this but I wouldn't be a bit sad to "lose" the kids or at least have their parents sign a waiver for those under 18.
The less active moderation, the better.
...and Tommy, stay in touch on the Main list!
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the girl PW'd him .. he had to blame something so he choose the BBS - LOL
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Originally posted by eagl
Does quitting the game make him a Runny Bunny?
Read again what I wrote. Where the heck did I call him Runny Bunny? Looks like comprehension is not your strength.
Originally posted by eagl
Really, I'm not sure. I can't keep track of the terms you kids are using.
Yes Granpa, my children are probably older than you.
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LOL 2bighorn, I wasn't even responding to you. I was making a reference to that other thread where anyone whining about how the game hurt their feelings was a runny bunny. There were several posts in this thread before I added my post so I'm not sure why you thought I was taking aim at you in particular. In fact, I think we posted pretty much simultaneously, having come to nearly the same conclusion about this thread in general.
I guess making asinine snide comments is your personal strength? (see how this doesn't help the discussion? Take notes bighorn, HT's giving a test on flaming later on)
But if the shoe fits, go ahead and wear it :aok
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I mean, seriously, Where the hell do you come off saying something like
Looks like comprehension is not your strength.
Are your social communication skills so menial that the very first thing you have to say directly to me includes a statement as moronic as that?
And back to your original message, you DID call x2lee "chief runny bunny", x2lee DID make a fool of himself in another thread by trying to taunt players who have complaints by calling them "runny bunny", and so when x2lee himself comes up with a complaint and an "I quit" message, does it not in fact make sense that maybe he is finding himself looking at the whole thing from a slightly different perspective? Might a reasonable person think it ironic that someone who was so vocal in his taunts is now the one complaining and quitting, and therefore lightly suggest that his old taunts may apply to him too?
And taking a page from your conversational book, here comes the asinine snide comment: ...Or was all that beyond your grade level?
See how the snide comment does nothing but add needless irritation? As a subject for discussion, the art of degrading snide comments (or as my mother used to say "put-downs") is interesting but maybe this wasn't the place for your gratuitous put-down especially as you fired the first shot.
Think about it.
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eagl
you back in MA or CT or just the h2h rooms?
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Originally posted by eagl
...I've personally noticed that the "community" in the arena seems a lot smaller now that ch 1 is gone and the moderators are more aggressive....
Ch.1 is not really gone, just moved to Ch.200.
...and I have not noticed any moderation, at least none more than usual.
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Heya eagler
I'm easing back into the MA. I played some h2h before AH2 and flew some AH2 beta, then came back in the MA when AH2 went live. I haven't been 100% happy with how my system handled the graphics even though it was more than playable, so I've been sorta holding back a bit until I got my new vid card. It showed up today - an eVGA 6800 GT, and I'll have to see if that does the trick. Thank goodness newegg ships to APO addresses, because even if the shipping charges are a bit high it's cheaper/better than waiting an extra 6 months and paying in pounds.
I shouldn't post when I get home from work... I tend to fully articulate what's on my mind and that usually isn't a good thing in here.
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Furious,
Most of the players I've wanted to talk to do not tune ch 200, and it seems like a lot of the time the only people who are tuning 200 are just there to taunt. Ch 1 as a default "everyone" channel had a higher signal/noise ratio even just a year or two ago.
If there was a .F xxxx command (*finger*) I might feel like using the salute command a bit more. Losing in a cool dogfight is a great reason to use *salute*, getting your c-47 shot down half a sector from home field out in the middle of nowhere after dropping your troops following a 1.5 hour flight, is a good reason to use *finger* since that pretty much sums up that particular kill :)
Or maybe a .d xxxx (*doh!*) command would be better as it acknowledges the ludicrous nature of the kill and my utter lack of awareness or ability to defend myself in that situation.
Either way though, it's just an icon that shot me before I saw it. He didn't giggle on ch 1, didn't private msg me "dude you awake now? :)", nothing. Just a sanitary exchange of gunfire, nothing that might offend anyone. Pretty safe I guess.
There are horror stories about the moderation though, and it sounds like (from his point of view) that something like that is what bit x2lee. When you hear about a guy getting muted for a good-natured "dude, you SUCK!", it puts a damper on even fun banter between people who have known each other for years. I can't even type "drex sucks" in the buffer because the moderator might not know I'm kidding or think it's appropriate. I've been auto-muted in the past for inadvertant misspellings (misspell accountable and yer in trouble!) and it only takes a few of those to get labelled a troublemaker and booted.
Like I said before though, the moderation is better than the no-moderation alternative and it's absolutely necessary for HTC's business.
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Originally posted by eagl
And back to your original message
My original message:"dammit, you can't leave now, we still didn't get chief Runny Bunny to duel us".
Originally posted by eagl
you DID call x2lee "chief runny bunny"
"we" =X2Lee and I
"chief Runny Bunny"=Unnamed cherrypicker who refused to duel "us"
"us" =X2Lee and I
Originally posted by eagl
x2lee DID make a fool of himself in another thread by trying to taunt players who have complaints by calling them "runny bunny", and so when x2lee himself comes up with a complaint and an "I quit" message, does it not in fact make sense that maybe he is finding himself looking at the whole thing from a slightly different perspective?
Runny Bunny refers to the "timid" players and runners.
He is leaving because of a whole different issue ( http://hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128068 ).
He didn't make a fool out of himself, and yes, I'm a grumpy old man.
Have a nice day, sir...
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Enough text comes flying through the radio buffer from the team channel and SYSTEM. Adding "channel 1" to that din would be unmanageable. As it is, all it takes is one monstrously inbred dweeb on your side yammering up ch.200 to render it nearly useless.
And even though I "sometimes" use vulgarity (hehe) I find the tenor on the airwaves of AH kind of satisfying.
That said, I'm not sure I agree with squad channels being moderated - if that's the case now. That is a voluntary selection, after all.
The 'Net has grown and, sadly, adopted much of the political correctness of our current up-tight culture. Everyone's too willing to sue ... or at least complain ... instead of just rolling with it. It's come to the point where if you want a BBS with rules you like, you pretty much need to run it yourself.
I'm actually considering using my own forums for the upcoming Rangoon event simply because I know people will get PO'd at each other and I don't want this running up against HTC's foum policy.
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Theres too many forums, forum here forum there, its getting a bit fragmated now.
We need to reformat and begin with a fresh partition.
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Well This Sux.
One less friend in AH!
I loose any more and I might as well just play offline.
Least the drones don't cuss you out, gang, you or trash talk you. (I hear however this is a planned feature to prepare new users for the MA and CT.)
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Sorry to see you go X2Lee.
You will be missed by more than a few here.
Cheers, and sunny skies sir <>
RTR