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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on August 23, 2004, 07:55:00 AM
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He refuses to go to the white house to accept a medal for the war in Iraq from Bush until the war is over, and not this close to the election.
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A wise political move on his part. The question is: will it sway opinion?
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doubt it, but if he had gone then there would have been all sorts of trouble for him. the labour party aperntly has closer ties with the dems then with the republicans. i dont think mr kerry would have been very happy if bush/blair had done a big deal out of this now.
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Being a demagogue hardly deserves a salute, but I guess that's just my opinion.
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Bet those people who called him a poodle are feeling pretty silly right now.
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Good to see that someone learned something from the whole "mission accomplished" fiasco.
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some people can learn from mistakes or new developments in a case, but they may be acused by the less educated of flip-flopping for doing so..
;)
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Quicksand Bush!
-SW
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Originally posted by Nilsen
He refuses to go to the white house to accept a medal for the war in Iraq from Bush until the war is over, and not this close to the election.
id be shocked by your comments if you werent from a nation that bows down to terrorists.
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Originally posted by anonymous
i need a helmet
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Originally posted by Chortle
Bet those people who called him a poodle are feeling pretty silly right now.
He's still a poodle, no one said he was a stupid poodle.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article267973.ece. heres one of your distinguished guests speeches: "“Suicide bombers represent the real Ummah,” Jamaat-e-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed declared in his presidential address at the launch of the Urdu translation of Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohammed’s book ‘A new deal for Asia’ on Sunday at a local hotel.
The JI chief said the Ummah was not represented by kings and dictators, but was ‘in the heart beat of every Muslim’. “The Ummah are the people who sacrifice their lives,” he said.
Mr Ahmed said the Ummah was the ‘source of life’ for Muslims and this is why they would not accept ‘American dictators and oppressors’. you dont need a helmet nilsen. nothing to protect.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
maybe soon hell come closer to norway and worship terrorist leaders who espouse suicide bombing as a good thing
hey look i can do it to! am i clever enough to be norwegian now?
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Originally posted by anonymous
http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article267973.ece. heres one of your distinguished guests speeches: "“Suicide bombers represent the real Ummah,” Jamaat-e-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed declared in his presidential address at the launch of the Urdu translation of Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohammed’s book ‘A new deal for Asia’ on Sunday at a local hotel.
The JI chief said the Ummah was not represented by kings and dictators, but was ‘in the heart beat of every Muslim’. “The Ummah are the people who sacrifice their lives,” he said.
Mr Ahmed said the Ummah was the ‘source of life’ for Muslims and this is why they would not accept ‘American dictators and oppressors’. you dont need a helmet nilsen. nothing to protect.
Did you even read anything in the article?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Did you even read anything in the article? Because I sure didn't!
yes. i understand if you didnt have a clue as to who this guy is most of your comments on world affairs affirm this. norway has invited a terrorist who publicly supports suicide bombing to lecture students at the university of oslo about "the war on terror". such conduct explains a great deal about your skewed view of the world. what i find puzzling is that the norwegian soldiers i worked with were from an entirely different universe than yourself and gschloz.
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nothing you just said makes sense. do you just invent things as you go?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
nothing you just said makes sense. do you just invent things as you go?
ok going really slow now try to follow. from the article: "Ahmed will give a talk at the mosque at Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday. He is meeting with the Minister of Local Government on Monday, and he is giving a talk on war and terror for the members of the Muslim student union at the University of Oslo on Tuesday."
previous speech of ahmeds: “Suicide bombers represent the real Ummah,” Jamaat-e-Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmed declared in his presidential address at the launch of the Urdu translation of Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir Mohammed’s book ‘A new deal for Asia’ on Sunday at a local hotel.
The JI chief said the Ummah was not represented by kings and dictators, but was ‘in the heart beat of every Muslim’. “The Ummah are the people who sacrifice their lives,” he said.
Mr Ahmed said the Ummah was the ‘source of life’ for Muslims and this is why they would not accept ‘American dictators and oppressors’.
get it? want my helmet? your govt is showing support to a terrorist leader. this shouldnt bother you from what ive seen of your attitudes however. now go get some new kneepads and hurry down to the university of oslo!
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Ok. listen up. this is prolly something you are not used to from wherever it is you come form, but we have freedom of speach here. this means that people can say what they want. the fact that one representative from one political party decides to listen to what the guy has to say is nothing special.
you can ofcourse draw your own conclusion, but saying that we bow down to terrorists just says something about your how your top floor works.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Ok. listen up. this is prolly something you are not used to from wherever it is you come form, but we have freedom of speach here. this means that people can say what they want. the fact that one representative from one political party decides to listen to what the guy has to say is nothing special.
you can ofcourse draw your own conclusion, but saying that we bow down to terrorists just says something about your how your top floor works.
i see. freedom of speech means you are trusting a known leader of a terrorist org to "tell the unbiased truth" when addressing your college students. freedom of speech does not equal the pathetic lack of ability to discern right from wrong. the university of oslo is welcoming an advocate of suicide bombers as an honored guest speaker. my conclusion is youre coddling with the scum of the earth. my top floor works in the real world not in some gray crap filled haze of moral equivalence. to each his own i guess. your govt is coddling to terrorists. denmark wouldnt admit this scum as a visitor and you would. i guess "denmark = nazi germany" is your next brilliant statement?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
He refuses to go to the white house to accept a medal for the war in Iraq from Bush until the war is over, and not this close to the election.
Not EXACTLY true. His party and his advisers have put him under EXTREME pressure not to do ANYTHING that might even be loosely construed as supporting Bush. That was stated plainly and clearly in the article in the British paper. His party has demanded that he do nothing at all to support Bush because they want a DEMOCRAT, ANY DEMOCRAT, in the White House. That is their public and stated intent.
It really is sad that Blair has been forced to cave to pressure like that, rather than stand by actions he felt were proper and necessary.
It is even sadder that the British liberals have done something like this in order to influence the election. While they have every right to support whomever they choose, to do it in this manner shows very poor taste and manners.
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nilsens point of view makes sense. blair been against wmd since he was new in office. norway doesnt care about wmd theyre buddies with the guys trying to get ahold of them. nilsens just looking out for own best interest of norway. after all it appears the last place youre going to have tangos pop off a bio canister is university of oslo too many supporters there. :)
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"i see. freedom of speech means you are trusting a known leader of a terrorist org to "tell the unbiased truth" when addressing your college students."
yes. shouldnt they be allowed that?
"freedom of speech does not equal the pathetic lack of ability to discern right from wrong."
yes it does. freedom of speach means that you can say whatever you want or belive is true.
"the university of oslo is welcoming an advocate of suicide bombers as an honored guest speaker."
they dont advocate anything that at all. EVEN you shold understand that.
"my conclusion is youre coddling with the scum of the earth. my top floor works in the real world not in some gray crap filled haze of moral equivalence."
you can counclude whatever you want... that is your privelidge.
"your govt is coddling to terrorists. denmark wouldnt admit this scum as a visitor and you would. i guess "denmark = nazi germany" is your next brilliant statement?"
this is just to stupid to comment on.
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Originally posted by anonymous
nilsens point of view makes sense. blair been against wmd since he was new in office. norway doesnt care about wmd theyre buddies with the guys trying to get ahold of them. nilsens just looking out for own best interest of norway. after all it appears the last place youre going to have tangos pop off a bio canister is university of oslo too many supporters there. :)
ok, i now see that you have bated me and i fell for it. nobody is that stupid... so for getting me :)
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too stupid to comment on? if denmark did not allow him to enter country why did they decide this? why do you think denmark didnt allow your buddy to enter their country?
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Originally posted by anonymous
too stupid to comment on? if denmark did not allow him to enter country why did they decide this? why do you think denmark didnt allow your buddy to enter their country?
ok, so you were not bating.... you really belive all youve typed?
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i cant answer for why the danish didnt allow him in. alot of politics are different in denmark and norway
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Originally posted by Nilsen
ok, so you were not bating.... you really belive all youve typed?
dont have an answer for me? not even an obvious one for you like "norway is just more enlightened and free than denmark"?
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Originally posted by anonymous
dont have an answer for me? not even an obvious one for you like "norway is just more enlightened and free than denmark"?
see above
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Hehe, wonder when Tony and George planned this out. ;)
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LOL B.lair's last attempt to change the wrong way and save his prettythang ! ;)
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What this thread needs is a
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Alright anyomous you went to far!
First you insult the American people by being the way you are...
Now you insult my heritage!
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I dont understand the whole poodle thing.
I know you Brits are "proud" and stuff, sun never sets, etc, etc, etc... but whats the deal?
Stateside we dont view Blair as a poodle at all.
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wtf? (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10534579%5E401,00.html)
Didn't know that it was the MoH. Maybe he has more respect for it than Bush.
"George Bush wants the prime minister to come to Washington and pick up the medal, which is the highest honour America can bestow on a foreigner.
"But he has refused for more than a year now and for good reason. He cannot possibly accept an award for the Iraq war when British and American troops continue to risk their lives there.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Alright anyomous you went to far!
First you insult the American people by being the way you are...
Now you insult my heritage!
how exactly have i "insulted the american people by being the way i am"? as for insulting your heritage well if norway didnt invite a terrorist leader to visit as an honored guest and lecture college students at the university of oslo while your relatives were living there then i dont think ive insulted your heritage.
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Originally posted by stiehl
wtf? (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10534579%5E401,00.html)
Didn't know that it was the MoH. Maybe he has more respect for it than Bush.
"George Bush wants the prime minister to come to Washington and pick up the medal, which is the highest honour America can bestow on a foreigner.
"But he has refused for more than a year now and for good reason. He cannot possibly accept an award for the Iraq war when British and American troops continue to risk their lives there.
its not same cmoh that is awarded to servicemen in combat.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Alright anyomous you went to far!
First you insult the American people by being the way you are...
Now you insult my heritage!
not to good with names here. arent you the highschooler thats going usn?
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Originally posted by anonymous
how exactly have i "insulted the american people by being the way i am"? as for insulting your heritage well if norway didnt invite a terrorist leader to visit as an honored guest and lecture college students at the university of oslo while your relatives were living there then i dont think ive insulted your heritage.
i quote the news and invite you to read it this time.... you should have read it the first time.
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There was an enormous cheer at Islamic Cultural Center when they were informed that Qazi Husssain Ahmed was granted permission to visit Norway.
Islamic Cultural Center invited the controversial Pakistani politician to Norway, and the decision to grant him entry arrived only days before his scheduled arrival.
Ahmed arrives at Gardermoen International Airport on Saturday, but Minister of Local Government Erna Solberg waited until Thursday afternoon before she announced that Norway opposes the Schengen decision and grants him permission to visit.
In spite of the delay, the management of Islamic Cultural Center said they never lost faith that Norway would grant Ahmed entry.
«Norway is a democracy, and everybody is allowed to state their opinion,» said Ikhlaq Ahmad, general secretary at Islamic Cultural Center to TV 2 Nettavisen. «Everybody is very happy, and we are very proud to live in Norway. We live in a free society.»
Minutes after the decision was announced, ICC got in contact with its guest and relay the news.
«This is really great,» said the general secretary at ICC to TV 2 Nettavisen. «We thank the Norwegian people and the authorities for this decision. It is a victory for the freedom of speech and for peace. Now Ahmed can visit Norway and talk about peace in the world and start a dialogue.»
Ahmed will give a talk at the mosque at Islamic Cultural Centre on Sunday. He is meeting with the Minister of Local Government on Monday, and he is giving a talk on war and terror for the members of the Muslim student union at the University of Oslo on Tuesday.
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Originally posted by anonymous
its not same cmoh that is awarded to servicemen in combat.
ty for the correction.
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Originally posted by anonymous
id be shocked by your comments if you werent from a nation that bows down to terrorists.
Given that the USA has a long and illustrious history of supporting terrorist groups that range from Islamo-fascist to plain latin-american neo-fascist, and not forgetting the long standing toleration of domestic support for the Irish republican terrorism that until recently blighted my own country, I suggest you name one such group that Norway has ever supported or STFU.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Given that the USA has a long and illustrious history of supporting terrorist groups that range from Islamo-fascist to plain latin-american neo-fascist, and not forgetting the long standing toleration of domestic support for the Irish republican terrorism that until recently blighted my own country, I suggest you name one such group that Norway has ever supported or STFU.
ooh how dramatic. dont think ill stfu tho. i can see you got your education on the us at the university of oslo maybe? :)
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What medal is he gonna get? The Bronze Star? The Silver Star? Purple Heart?
:lol
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Originally posted by Momus--
Given that the USA has a long and illustrious history of supporting terrorist groups that range from Islamo-fascist to plain latin-american neo-fascist, and not forgetting the long standing toleration of domestic support for the Irish republican terrorism that until recently blighted my own country, I suggest you name one such group that Norway has ever supported or STFU.
hey ill do one better ill handle you "norwegian ah bbs style":
"stfu yourself momus. irish republican army were freedom fighters against imperialist british. every uk serviceman involved in northern ireland is a war criminal."
the above is purely to give someone a taste of own medicine. i have the utmost respect for the uks servicemen.
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Originally posted by Maniac
What medal is he gonna get? The Bronze Star? The Silver Star? Purple Heart?
:lol
i think its the medal of freedom maybe. thats an educated guess i havent read many reports on it.
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Kuddos for your calm on this one Nilsen, I think I have seen a new low in BBS IQ. HisTARDicalylarious!
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Kuddos for your calm on this one Nilsen, I think I have seen a new low in BBS IQ. HisTARDicalylarious!
that hurt. my iq must be low because you have made the proclamation. of course statements about "war for oil" "bush=hitler" "american servicemen are war criminals" all being based on nothing but deranged speculation well these statements are the sign of superior bbs iq i take it? deep indepth analysis like "us created sadaam its their fault"? nilsen is being calm because its his only choice. his nation acted like scum. no two ways about it.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Kuddos for your calm on this one Nilsen, I think I have seen a new low in BBS IQ. HisTARDicalylarious!
Thx Saintaw. Shouting at the kids usually wont help at all.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Thx Saintaw. Shouting at the kids usually wont help at all.
youre telling me o wise one. by the way you can keep the helmet. youll need it as you obviously cannot take what you are so ready to thoughtlessly dish out.
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Anonymous, I guess "shades of gray" don't mean a thing to you... Norway has be THE country to deal with the Iraqi thing in ITS best interrest... right.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Anonymous, I guess "shades of gray" don't mean a thing to you... Norway has be THE country to deal with the Iraqi thing in ITS best interrest... right.
sure they mean a great deal to me. i spent two decades working in the real world and dealing with it all the time. but shades of gray certainly dont mean a thing to the majority of the people who write nonsense here and will slam the us and its morals and motivations on a daily basis. im just applying the same filter to my analysis. i hope its as fun for you as it is for me. give me a break. nilsen doesnt have an ounce of respect for blair. that medal was offered because when the right thing needed to be done among many hand wringers that should have acted because they had the power and thus the responsibility to do so blair alone stood tall. nilsens "salute" was a slap in the face. saying he wont accept the medal because troops are still in harms way is an honorable statement. the best statement he could put on the situation which is that hes facing political exile at home thanks to a big campaign of lies and innuendo. the same campaign that nilsen and plenty of others that write here swallow like champagne on a daily basis. blair would love to accept that medal. i dont doubt it means a great deal to him coming from us. because he knows that the us holds him in higher regard for sticking to his guns in a tight spot than most of his coworkers. no need to impress upon me the inescapability of shades of gray. remember that everyone even the evil imperialist usa has to deal with them.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I dont understand the whole poodle thing.
I know you Brits are "proud" and stuff, sun never sets, etc, etc, etc... but whats the deal?
Stateside we dont view Blair as a poodle at all.
It's just a quick satirical fix for the perception some have that he puts the White House needs before the UK's. In the same vein, he's been called Mr Vice President or my favourite, The Right Honourable Member for Texas North :)
Underlying it is the long running debate about the UK's future, if its with the US or Europe or something down the middle. He's been called the Poodle of Brussels, guess we're just obsessive about Poodles.
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Originally posted by Chortle
It's just a quick satirical fix for the perception some have that he puts the White House needs before the UK's. In the same vein, he's been called Mr Vice President or my favourite, The Right Honourable Member for Texas North :)
Underlying it is the long running debate about the UK's future, if its with the US or Europe or something down the middle. He's been called the Poodle of Brussels, guess we're just obsessive about Poodles.
he treated proliferation of wmd into possession of terror groups as his primary concern before any other national leader did. hes a smart guy and hes being treated very unfairly in my opinion.
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Originally posted by anonymous
sure they mean a great deal to me. i spent two decades working in the real world and dealing with it all the time. but shades of gray certainly dont mean a thing to the majority of the people who write nonsense here and will slam the us and its morals and motivations on a daily basis. im just applying the same filter to my analysis. i hope its as fun for you as it is for me. give me a break. nilsen doesnt have an ounce of respect for blair. that medal was offered because when the right thing needed to be done among many hand wringers that should have acted because they had the power and thus the responsibility to do so blair alone stood tall. nilsens "salute" was a slap in the face. saying he wont accept the medal because troops are still in harms way is an honorable statement. the best statement he could put on the situation which is that hes facing political exile at home thanks to a big campaign of lies and innuendo. the same campaign that nilsen and plenty of others that write here swallow like champagne on a daily basis. blair would love to accept that medal. i dont doubt it means a great deal to him coming from us. because he knows that the us holds him in higher regard for sticking to his guns in a tight spot than most of his coworkers. no need to impress upon me the inescapability of shades of gray. remember that everyone even the evil imperialist usa has to deal with them.
I do not like beeing told what i think, so "kindly" stop telling everyone else what i know, feel or think. I would also like you to use facts and not your fiction when discussing this.
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Originally posted by anonymous
he treated proliferation of wmd into possession of terror groups as his primary concern before any other national leader did. hes a smart guy and hes being treated very unfairly in my opinion.
Like any other politician he has his supporters and his detractors. You only take notice of him when he is dealing with foreign policy matters. Since he tends to agree with US foreign policy he is popular in the US. That does not make him popular with everyone at home.
My biggest beef with him is the "presidential style" of his leadeship (especially limiting Prime Minister's Question Time in the Commons and concentration on managed press conferences instead) and his attempts to make wholesale changes to the constitution, with the main effect being increasing the power of the governing party and (and himself in particular). I'm also not too happy with the dozens of stealth taxes that his government has introduced, nor the draconian anti-terror legislation.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I dont understand the whole poodle thing.
I know you Brits are "proud" and stuff, sun never sets, etc, etc, etc... but whats the deal?
Stateside we dont view Blair as a poodle at all.
Ever thought that just maybe it's because you don't know him very well?
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Poor old Tony...I always thought he was a smart guy till Iraq....
Hopefully our PM John Howard and his liberal govt. joins him on the scrap heap this year
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
Poor old Tony...I always thought he was a smart guy till Iraq....
Hopefully our PM John Howard and his liberal govt. joins him on the scrap heap this year
Tronsky
"they are throwing their children overboard!.."
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History will remmember President Bush and Prime Minster Blair as the two bravest men in the first 10 years of this century.
If there is to be a history.
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Any Brits planning to vote for Blair in 2005/6?
I think Tony Blair will be remembered for having presided over a government based on a pack of lies and a web of deceit.
Teatime at Beet1e's house
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Originally posted by Nilsen
He refuses to go to the white house to accept a medal for the war in Iraq from Bush until the war is over, and not this close to the election.
He's just trying to save what little face he has left if any for getting involved with bush in such a mess and bunch of lies in
the first place. Come election he will be gone and Bush if he's back
in will be without his only "real" ally in the whole thing.
...-Gixer
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Didn't vote for Blair last time and I certainly won't be voting for him this time. Will probably vote for a local independant. I won't vote Conservative without ritually dis-emboweling myself straight afterwards, and the Liberal Democrats are far too socialist for my liking.
Blair is a clever man... which makes me wonder why he ever committed himself so wholeheartedly to the support of an imbecile and his entourage.
Blair out in 2005, if you would be so kind.
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Originally posted by demaw1
History will remmember President Bush and Prime Minster Blair as the two bravest men in the first 10 years of this century.
If there is to be a history.
LMFAO You have to be kidding me? :rofl
...-Gixer
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Blair is just a complete idiot. The problem with UK politics is that currently all the different political parties are as bad as each other.
As for Bliar, well, since the Labour Party have such a majority they simply steam roll stuff through Parliament whether the public like it or not. If he faces opposition about anything then he ignores it and does what he likes. Either that or he starts a dirty trick smear campaign to ridicule his opposition etc. He signed the European charter when the public wanted it to go to a referendum. I just hope he rethinks the publics views when it comes down to the Euro currency. He would prefer to make the decision rather than letting the public decide because he knows that the public doesn't want it. He doesn't care, he only wants to do what he wants to do! Oh, and what the EU wants us to do because he has no backbone of his own.
He's simply an ego-maniac!
I've always voted Independant, although they only really have an effect on local issues rather than national.
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Originally posted by demaw1
History will remmember President Bush and Prime Minster Blair as the two bravest men in the first 10 years of this century.
If there is to be a history.
You are a disturbing person.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Blair is a clever man... which makes me wonder why he ever committed himself so wholeheartedly to the support of an imbecile and his entourage.
Blair out in 2005, if you would be so kind.
Isn't Blair on the board of Caryle group?
Hey when you're rich whatta care what others think, you just buy an island somewhere and fish.
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Disturbing is not the word I had in mind.
Nice mug beetle :)
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Originally posted by Gixer
Come election he will be gone
I wish I could share your optimism. But with a majority of 164 at the last election, a reversal of fortune of the required magnitude is all but unprecedented. My best guess will be for a Labour victory with a much smaller majority, or a hung parliament. I don't think a third Labour administration would go full term.
The Cons are not making ground because they're fighting battles in the wrong places. It's all very well printing accounts of Labour's wrongdoing in newspapers like the Daily Telegraph, but that's preaching to the converted.
The Cons need to fight the battle where it counts: In the marginal seats amongst the middle and lower middle classes. Even ordinary people will soon be caught by Inheritance Tax - originally designed as a tax on rich people dying, but kicks in at ~£250,000. These days, even a three bedroom house round here is worth more than that. Also stamp duty - a tax on purchasing a property. It was 1% for the vast majority of folks, till Labour started tinkering and increased it FOUR TIMES. Now, anyone buying a property worth more than £250,000 (3 bed semi, or "duplex" if you live in the US) will pay 3% stamp duty, ie £7,500 on a £250,000 purchase, ie. triple the amount payable before Labour's tinkering. It's no longer just the rich being affected by Tony's time bombs. It's ordinary people as well.
We'll save council tax for next time!
Dowding/Nexx - what do you think of UKIP?
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Originally posted by Gixer
He's just trying to save what little face he has left if any for getting involved with bush in such a mess and bunch of lies in
the first place. Come election he will be gone and Bush if he's back
in will be without his only "real" ally in the whole thing.
...-Gixer
as you all should know by now im not a fan of Bush or Blair, but my was an honest one. I think he is smart for not going to the whitehouse to accept a medal for a war that is not over and by that helping Bush to get some god PR photo ops this close to the election.
i stand by my even if i dont like the man.
:)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Dowding/Nexx - what do you think of UKIP?
I voted for Kilroy-Silk in the recent Euro elections. I'm unsure whether they'll have a candidate for my local elections though otherwise I'd vote for him. I'll just vote for the local Independant candidate instead.