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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Puff on August 23, 2004, 10:57:18 AM
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I've heard rumors of a B29 in the works... anyone have any other info?
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B-29 makes no sense from a "gameplay" perspective. would add absolutely nothing to the game.
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nope no b29 at all, just a rumor
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Think: Boulton Turret as per Pyro's hint.
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Pyro was making a joke based on a Defiant joke posted in a prior thread by a player. Pyro even went so far as to say something to the effect of "I thought everyone knew the new fighter was a Defiant" in the thread he made his joke. This was a day or so before the Ki-84 screenies were posted.
The fact is that no clues have been given as to what the bomber is.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Pyro was making a joke based on a Defiant joke posted in a prior thread by a player. Pyro even went so far as to say something to the effect of "I thought everyone knew the new fighter was a Defiant" in the thread he made his joke. This was a day or so before the Ki-84 screenies were posted.
The fact is that no clues have been given as to what the bomber is.
pssst Karnak ... was casting a lure. but thanks bud.:aok
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Originally posted by Puff
I've heard rumors of a B29 in the works... anyone have any other info?
The info that I have says the rumors you have heard are incorrect. :)
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Hot damn! Check "NEWS" !!!!
[edited to add the screenshot]
(http://www.avhistory.org/bear257Images/3-beau-if.jpg)
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Nice pic Westy - is that IL2 or CFS3? :rolleyes:
If I were to put money on a bet, I would guess a late war model of the He-111 or Do-17.
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The worst bomber they could do would be B29 or B24.
We need:
Late war LW bomber: Ju188 or He177
Early war brit light or medium: Blenheim
Mid war russian medium: Pe2
The only US bomber of use might be an early B25.
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Surely you meant "Wellington Mk III", but you accidentally typed "Blenheim" GRUNHERZ.
Bleinheim would be pointless for both scenarios and the MA. Might as well suggest the Battle. The Wellington brings a usable war load and some defensive guns while still being slow enough to be intercepted with ease by the Bf109E-4 and Bf110C-4b.
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Since I'm a gambler.
I'll put all my perks on the He-111
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B-29 makes no sense from a "gameplay" perspective. would add absolutely nothing to the game.
Makes about as much sense as having an La-7 for the masses but charging perkies for a Spit 14...
So when do we get this B-29? :D
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He-111 would be quite teh 4w3s0me
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Originally posted by Karnak
Surely you meant "Wellington Mk III", but you accidentally typed "Blenheim" GRUNHERZ.
Bleinheim would be pointless for both scenarios and the MA. Might as well suggest the Battle. The Wellington brings a usable war load and some defensive guns while still being slow enough to be intercepted with ease by the Bf109E-4 and Bf110C-4b.
No I meant Blenheim. Fairy Battle is another great choice though.
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His original post just said 2 planes and a vehicle, right?
So who's to say that we'll get a bomber? We might get two fighters, eh? EH???
:lol
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Originally posted by Westy
Hot damn! Check "NEWS" !!!!
[edited to add the screenshot]
lol, that was mean. The "edited to add the screenshot" really added to the authenticity.
-Sik
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Hi Mates
I like that Beaufighter. However, you can't have a WWII flight simulation without all models of the B-24 and B-25. Believe me there are plenty of uses for them both in AH2.
Hope to have them someday.
Cheers to you all.
Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
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GRUNHERZ,
Why do you think the Blen would be useful? That strikes me as a mere "Lets make sure the Luftwaffe gets portrayed as favorably as possible." type of choice. The Ju88A-4 would still be superior to the Wellington Mk III, but the Wellington might actually do something whereas the Blenheim would be both helpless and incapable of actually accomplishing anything.
Krusty,
Pyro said "A fighter, a bomber and a tank."
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Originally posted by Majors
Hi Mates
I like that Beaufighter. However, you can't have a WWII flight simulation without all models of the B-24 and B-25. Believe me there are plenty of uses for them both in AH2.
Hope to have them someday.
Cheers to you all.
Majors
249RAF
Oldest Yank in the RAF
Damn!! Guess we a tiddlywinks simulation all of these years :D.
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Originally posted by Karnak
GRUNHERZ,
Why do you think the Blen would be useful? That strikes me as a mere "Lets make sure the Luftwaffe gets portrayed as favorably as possible." type of choice. The Ju88A-4 would still be superior to the Wellington Mk III, but the Wellington might actually do something whereas the Blenheim would be both helpless and incapable of actually accomplishing anything.
Krusty,
Pyro said "A fighter, a bomber and a tank."
Because I want to recreate those rodeos where I can shoot at Blenheims with my 109F4 while avoiding tyhe Spitv escort.
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it isnt a ww2 combat sim till it has a b-24 liberator.
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Here we go again... :D
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122443&highlight=B24
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Originally posted by Citabria
it isnt a ww2 combat sim till it has a b-24 liberator.
That would be the worst possible bomber to add at this time.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
That would be the worst possible bomber to add at this time.
Not so sure about that. TOD is coming and we know it will be initially based in the 1944 ETO. So, the realistic missions will be escorted US heavy bomber strikes and German interceptors.
B-24 might be useful as a secondary US heavy bomber.
I'd be interested to see the Greif as well, though. Thought I remember one of the artists saying what a difficult plane it would be to model though....
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Secondary? The B-24 often flew along with B-17s in missions over France and Germany. Look up March 18, 1945. There was a huge bombing raid consisting of 1250 some bombers and 700 some escort fighters. That one definately included B-24s and B-17s.
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to hell with the stupid CT its boring as paint drying.
I fly in the MA and scenarios only when there is a really good one going on.
if I want to fly an effective bomber with good bombload and defenses I have one option... the B-17
I want the option of flying another heavily armed heavy bomb load 4 engine bomber.
that is the B-24 or the B-29
personally I like the B-24 because it was used in the ETO and PTO while B-29 was only late war PTO
there were almost no B-17s used in the pacific around 1943. all b17s were diverted to the ETO and B-24s took over the entire heavy bombardment duties in the PTO until the B-29 showed up.
if HTC is serious about getting the PTO planeset in shape it requires the B-24. and lets not forget I am an american and I want to fly american planes and to hell with you foriegn bastards! :D
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get back to reality. the only other useful axis bomber for scenarios would be the he111 and that would be just a flying easy kill target for anyone in the CT or MA. all axis buffs are lame and no one cares if the russians had the PE2. the PE2 is boring. it will end up as another gadget aircraft like the il2 has contributing little to the overall heavy usage pool aircraft of the MA.
the B-24 has never been correctly 3d modelled. everyone screws up the pilot canopy and nose. if superfly or nate is doing it it may finally be done justice because they are so meticulous about proportions. and rest assured I will make known any innacuracies in the wireframe if i find any in the event the b24 is modelled.
there are really only 2 aircraft i wish to see perfectly 3d modelled. the p38 and the b24. the rest i don't care as long as they are close. but i wish to see the p38 and b24 flawlessly modelled because they have been so screwed up by every cross eyed 3d modeller in other games and sims because the actual 3d drawings which 3d modelleres base their wireframes off of are innacurate. please do these two justice :)
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Beaufighter would be nice but, a Halifax would be better :D
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As to the topic of the thread, I'd not be surprised to see a B-24, but I think it more likely to be Russian. Tu-2S or Pe-2FT.
I'd put Germany in the running too with maybe Italy in a distant fourth.
So my top bets in order:
USSR:
Pe-2FT
Tu-2S
USA:
B-25
B-24
Germany:
Ju188A-2
He177A-5
Italy:
S.M.79-II
Z.1007
I'm out and done.
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I'm hoping for the Swordfish or the Skua.
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Cit do you really want the B24, you know how upset you will get about the damage modeling...
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Originally posted by Citabria
to hell with the stupid CT its boring as paint drying.
Damn, Fes ... thought I about had you converted. Seriously, though ... the CT is only as boring as the players let it be. It's set to be an alternative to MA "everything, all the time" (except immersion)*
A neat experiment would be to slide the CT arena checkbox to the top of the list (default) and see how many players accidently click it to fly and go "WHOA! I didn't know AH had THIS!" ;)
* Unless, of course, you're on the horde side.
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The B-24 could take quite a bit of damage, and even though the facts say it cant, id be willing to bet against it. I've seen pictures and heard first-hand accounts of the 24 taking incredible amounts of damage and making it home.
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"The B-24 could take quite a bit of damage, and even though the facts say it cant, id be willing to bet against it."
Are you Bush's speechwriter? Hehe ... sorry .... deviated ... offtopic. Could be viewed as flamebait but I hope it ain't taken that way. This post may have a limited lifespan. ;)
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all i want to see is a damn b24 in the MA next patch.
i could hope in vein i might say for a He111 or a Ju87G.
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Originally posted by Arlo
"The B-24 could take quite a bit of damage, and even though the facts say it cant, id be willing to bet against it."
Are you Bush's speechwriter? Hehe ... sorry .... deviated ... offtopic. Could be viewed as flamebait but I hope it ain't taken that way. This post may have a limited lifespan. ;)
Hehe, I use real words, so theres no way I could ever be a writer for Bush. I dont take it as flamebait, others may. But from what ive heard from firsthand accountss of B-24s in action Id take it into combat any day over a B-17.
Vote Nader!:D
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really not having a b24 is like having a p47 but no p38 in the planeset
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Kinda almost like having bombers and/or attack planes available for every country represented but one, eh? :)
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Originally posted by United
The B-24 could take quite a bit of damage, and even though the facts say it cant, id be willing to bet against it.
Actually, I think that is a myth that the B-24 was less durable than the B-17. I think it was someone on this BBS that posted survival rates or something to that effect that stated the B-24 was more survivable than the B-17.
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to test if my crystal ball is better than others.............
IF AH are serious about TOD (and we have no reason to doubt it) then the B24 is the obviuos choice............its the single biggest hole in the targeted 1944 ETO plane set.
It also adds many new scenario options..........Ploesti will be planned as a scenario almost immediately this ac becomes available to say nothing of all the other conflicts where this ac played the single largest strategic role.
The B24 would be a "big job" (particularly if it has to go thru Festers quality control as well as HTC's) for HTC and so time spent would be almost twice that incurred for other ac. It may be that HTC want to bring new stuff on quicker and may have gone for an easier option.
We know that the TU-2 has been seriously looked at. If we were to get a Russian medium bomber I would prefer a Pe-2.
The MA has little to do with the choice of the next bomber (B29 apart)
We have Big (lanc) we have large and armoured (B17) we have fast (Arado) and a plethora of stuff lighter/faster/ etc etc. The only new bomber that would impact the MA is the B29 which would have to be the perked high alt milkrunner it was in RL and presently a waste of HTC's effort IMO.
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Originally posted by Tilt
B29 ... a waste of HTC's effort IMO.
Agreed. :aok
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Originally posted by Karnak
As to the topic of the thread, I'd not be surprised to see a B-24, but I think it more likely to be Russian. Tu-2S or Pe-2FT.
I'd put Germany in the running too with maybe Italy in a distant fourth.
So my top bets in order:
USSR:
Pe-2FT
Tu-2S
USA:
B-25
B-24
Germany:
Ju188A-2
He177A-5
Italy:
S.M.79-II
Z.1007
I'm out and done.
Don't forget G4M2 for IJNAF please!
BTW patch 10 is out today.
I hope Pyro posts a dev update of the next version too...
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b-24 hands down is highest produced bomber in usa during ww2,,,better motors,,tad faster than b17,,but thinner wings,,any of you ever read wild blue?
think there was over 19,000 produced during ww2 i would hardly call this bomber secondairy to the allies in ww2,,,,kinda silly not to have the highest produced us bomber in ww2 ,,which im sure it wouldnt be in the hanger collecting dust in aces high
Maximum Speed: 290 mph (467 km/h)
Service Ceiling: 28,000 ft. (8,540 m)
Range: 2,200 miles (3,540 km)
Powerplant:
Four Pratt & Whitney R-1830-43 or 65 1,200 hp 14 cylinder radial engines.
Armament:
Six .50-calibre guns, two each in nose and dorsal turrets and in waist positions, and four .303-in. guns in a Boulton Paul tail turret. Internal bomb load of 8,000 lbs. (3,632 kg) with optional external bomb racks.
8,000 pounds of bombs,,i would hardly call that a worthless bomber:)
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I thought the 24 flew faster with more bombs than the B17. Shouldn't the 24 be the primary late war bomber?
Originally posted by oboe
Not so sure about that. TOD is coming and we know it will be initially based in the 1944 ETO. So, the realistic missions will be escorted US heavy bomber strikes and German interceptors.
B-24 might be useful as a secondary US heavy bomber.
I'd be interested to see the Greif as well, though. Thought I remember one of the artists saying what a difficult plane it would be to model though....
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Shouldn't the 24 be the primary late war bomber?
ya,,but it was early war too,,think the first one flew in 1938?
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Old fellow that I know from around here to fly them(he was in on Ploesti). I asked him about the durability. He just outright laughed. He had no problems with the toughness. Soooooo, I asked him about that nose wander thing. He said that wasn't funny at all. The nose apparently did crab around.
Also he said the B24 was a very physically demanding plane to fly. The rudders REALLY fought back.
Originally posted by United
The B-24 could take quite a bit of damage, and even though the facts say it cant, id be willing to bet against it. I've seen pictures and heard first-hand accounts of the 24 taking incredible amounts of damage and making it home.
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the B-24 and or pb4y2 if added will get used...
A LOT!
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B-29 would get used morer. Ever morerest if it had a nook.
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I have it from a very reliable source (puts my Magic-8-Ball behind my back) That the next plane will be PBY.
So, Does anyone else want to ask my Magic-8-Ball what might be next after that?? Its very reliable. ;)
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BEE29 IS TEH L33T!!111!!!1111!!!!!!! !!! !! 11111!!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1092865843_b29.jpg)
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Originally posted by Grimm
I have it from a very reliable source (puts my Magic-8-Ball behind my back) That the next plane will be PBY.
So, Does anyone else want to ask my Magic-8-Ball what might be next after that?? Its very reliable. ;)
Dear magic 8-ball ....
What's for dinner?
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Originally posted by Arlo
Dear magic 8-ball ....
What's for dinner?
Hmmm.... Try again Later. ;)
Magic 8 ball,
Will HTC Release the B-36 Peacemaker sortly after the B29 SuperFortress??
Most Definately... Within 2 Weeks!
WOW!
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Originally posted by Grimm
I have it from a very reliable source (puts my Magic-8-Ball behind my back) That the next plane will be PBY.
So, Does anyone else want to ask my Magic-8-Ball what might be next after that?? Its very reliable. ;)
Grimm...
Mine guarantees that yours is wrong. :)
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Originally posted by Muddie
Old fellow that I know from around here to fly them(he was in on Ploesti). I asked him about the durability. He just outright laughed. He had no problems with the toughness. Soooooo, I asked him about that nose wander thing. He said that wasn't funny at all. The nose apparently did crab around.
Also he said the B24 was a very physically demanding plane to fly. The rudders REALLY fought back.
Not only did the rudders fight back, but it was extremely demanding to keep it steady at high altitude because the elevators wouldnt hold steady. But, you cant really model the poor flight qualities like that into a game, especially with autopilot and things of the sort.
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B-24
Pe-8
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Originally posted by United
Not only did the rudders fight back, but it was extremely demanding to keep it steady at high altitude because the elevators wouldnt hold steady. But, you cant really model the poor flight qualities like that into a game, especially with autopilot and things of the sort.
Only allow a player to up a B-24 if the game recognizes his stick as a Logitech.
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LoL I think you have that right my logitech wingman extream was fine for a month and then my rudder just wouldn't stop shakeing. Perfect stick for this plane from the sounds of it. lol:aok
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/superfly/dreamfinder.jpg)
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/superfly/dreamfinder.jpg)
That sucker HAS TO BE PERKED !!!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
That sucker HAS TO BE PERKED !!!
Even though it has the same armament of the F4U1C, its not nearly as fast.
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yeah, lets add more LATE war planes and make this game even worse
people moan about this being a 1945 arena, then the same people dont want early war planes :rolleyes:
HE-111 would be great.
Why model the B24or b29? we already have 2 (level) american bombers. Its like people asking for more spits whats the point?
all the other sides only have 1 level bomber
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Originally posted by Overlag
people moan about this being a 1945 arena, then the same people dont want early war planes
It IS a late war arena. If HTC added every early and mid war aircraft from WWII in the next patch it would still be a late war arena.
People who play in the MA ask for late war aircraft because they'll actually be used in the MA. It has nothing to do with making the MA better or worse.
In order to change the MA from being the 1945 arena it is HTC would have to fundamentally restructure the game.
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But at least if they did, it would only take....
2 weeks.
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Originally posted by Karnak
It IS a late war arena. If HTC added every early and mid war aircraft from WWII in the next patch it would still be a late war arena.
People who play in the MA ask for late war aircraft because they'll actually be used in the MA. It has nothing to do with making the MA better or worse.
In order to change the MA from being the 1945 arena it is HTC would have to fundamentally restructure the game.
its nothing to do with the game, its the PEOPLE wanting easy mode fighters and easy mode bombers.
I fly early fighters, i fly early bombers, i have no problem with it, and get a nice K/D too...(considering, although im not TOO botherd with that). Far to many people want to choose the best in this game, and think they are great because there plane does 400mph level etc etc. People should get some skill, and step out of there limited edition yet unlimited in MA planes.......
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/superfly/dreamfinder.jpg)
the bird is defintly over moddeld!
i am going to cancel my account !
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Looks like it's actually IN SPACE...
Definitely a rook plane :aok
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B-29's engine sound is already gone... :D
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Trust me on this one it isn't going to be the B-29 and yes there are going to be two planes (one fighter and one bomber) in the game with one vehicle very soon.
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Exclusive new spy photos of the new bomber ...
(http://www.gonzoville.com/datas/users/1-new_bomber.jpg)
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I have it on good authority it is going to be a B-17G or a B-26B.
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You know what? I'll lay even odds that BOTH those planes will be in the next patch! No, it's true!
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i know they will :D just do every one said tow weeks get that new update goin htc i wanna fly it [*Drool*]
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Allot of folks asking for the PBY, the question is, what would a PBY really add to the current plane set and would it get used much? My understanding is that PBYs were used mostly for anti-sub work during the war. AH has no Subs.
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hoping that it's going to the H2K Emily and the PBY Catalina...
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My understanding is that PBYs were used mostly for anti-sub work during the war. AH has no Subs.
pby was a great ship killer,,killed many big boats,,including stopping a invasion off the coast of alaska,,,one pby even dive bombed there jap carrier,,,took both pilots to pull it out of the dive which it was never desined for,,,,pby even killed some gvs,,carried a good bomb load,,,long range,,and it had the best on board radar you could buy at the time,,the black cat pby shot down zeros
25 Nov–23 Dec 1943: Lieutenant Alex N. McInnis, Jr., led his PBY Catalina on night missions against enemy combatants and convoys in the Bismarck Archipelago during extremely adverse and hazardous weather conditions. During this period of operation from 25 November to 23 December 1943 he successfully carried out a low-altitude attack on a large merchant vessel. He experienced heavy antiaircraft fire from enemy combatants but was able to drop his thousand pound bomb on the merchant ship, leaving it in flames and still burning three hours after the attack. For his actions during the attacks between 25 November and 23 December 1943 he was awarded the Navy Cross.
26 Nov 1943: Lieutenant William J. Lahodney and his crew conducted a night attack on an enemy task force consisting of a cruiser and three destroyers in the waters off Rabaul. Lahodney’s bombs heavily damaged the enemy cruiser, but his own aircraft sustained severe damage with over 100 holes in the wings and fuselage from the intense AA fire. Lahodney managed to fly the perforated Catalina over mountainous terrain and stormy seas for four hours to arrive safely at his home base. For his heroic actions and skillful flying he was awarded the Navy Cross.
10 Dec 1943: Lieutenant (jg) Rudolph Lloyd and his crew made an attack at night on a large enemy freighter in the Bismarck Archipelago under extremely adverse weather conditions. After dropping their bomb on the target, Lieutenant Lloyd returned and made strafing attacks on the ship until it sank.
14 Dec 1943: Lieutenant (jg) Lloyd and his crew conducted a night attack on ships in Kavieng Harbor during adverse weather conditions. A bombing run was made on what appeared to be a small enemy cruiser or large destroyer and two hits were observed. Lloyd returned to make a strafing pass, but was forced to retreat by intense AA fire and the arrival of enemy fighter aircraft. For his courageous actions on the nights of 10 and 14 December, Lieutenant Lloyd was awarded the Navy Cross.
wow ,,100 holes in his pby and it still made it home,,now thats pretty tuff,,there is so much history on the pby i couldnt possibly put it all on one page,,hehehe,,go to this link and you will see,,it had a great history,,this plane is noted for being the most versitile plane in the us air force http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/redwood/372/links.html
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Didn't know that, thanks.
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NO OMG ITS A DAMN c-47 jet bomer OMG :( LOL that sucks :( :(