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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on August 23, 2004, 01:15:52 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20040823/ap_on_el_pr/war_politics
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"In Texas at his ranch, Bush said, "I don't think we ought to have 527s," a reference to the outside groups that have poured millions of dollars over the past year into attack ads. Bush himself has been a main target of ads costing some $60 million."
Wow, poor defenseless DNC.
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But it's still not good enough...
The democrats want CENSORSHIP!!!
Kerry's vice presidential running mate, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, said Bush's comments on Monday fell short of what was needed.
"The moment of truth came and went, and the president still couldn't bring himself to do the right thing," Edwards said. "Instead of hiding behind a front group, George Bush needs to take responsibility and demand that the ad come off the air."
Which amendment covers Freedom of Speech?
Guess they never taught that in Edwards' Law School.
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"We have never, and will never question John Kerry's service to our country"
-Bush's campaign spokesmen reguarding the swift boat ads
Sounds like a denouncement to me.
Bush should go on the air and DEMAND that Kerry lift up his skirt and check for a pair of balls with all the whining he's done lately.
ALSO:
"That ad and every other ad" run by such groups have no place in the campaign, Bush said when asked about the commercial sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans For Truth that has roiled the race for the White House. The group said it would not stop its new anti-Kerry ad, which will start running in three states this week
sounds like a denouncment to me.
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Bush has had this view for some time now.
Dont tell that to Kerrdwards, though.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Guess they never taught that in Edwards' Law School.
Edwards went to Law School?? I thought he was a former televangelist, the way he rants. I'm not impressed with his command of the law or with constitutional matters.
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Not bad. Not great, but not bad.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Not bad. Not great, but not bad.
I thought it was great. Edwards came out playing hardball and Bush handed it right back to him.
Now Edwards is stuck saying "but... but..."
I'm not a fan of Bush, but I thought that was well played.
-Sik
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You have that right sikboy...
Edwards reminds me of Dan Quayle...
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Bush has come out and said that 527's need to be shut down.
Kerry has refused to say anything bad about 527's, unless it happens to be the Swift Boat Veterans. He has no problem at all with Soros saying he'll pay any price it takes to beat Bush, and say anything that has to be said as well. Moveon.org seems to cause Kerry/Edwards no consternation. Liberal "actors" can spend all the money they want and use their celebrity for what their money can't buy. Same with liberal "artists/musicians".
Oh, and that pompous bellybutton McCain has not said a thing about his stupid legislation being as impotent and useless as he is. He doesn't seem to mind Moveon.org and their ilk at all, but he sure will squawl about the Swift Boat Veterans. He doesn't care that his joint venture with that moron Feingold attempts to silence public funded organizations like the NRA, while allowing BOTH sides' 527's to fire at will.
None of this surprises me in the least.
My prediction is that Bush will take the high road on all of this, like his father, and Kerry/Edwards/DNC/Moveon.org/Soros will kick him in the nards with their continued hate campaign. Bush will pay the price for it, like his father, and maybe the nation will as well.
I personally hope the Swift Boat Veterans keep on just like Soros and Moveon.org. And if Kerry/Edwards/DNC can't take it, they either need to shut up or get out.
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Bush did the right thing. The whole idea of attacking war veterans performance for politcal purposes is disgusting. If the Democrats want to try to milk it further, I think it will cause a backlash. It was a stupid attack, and Bush said that.
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It would have been a lot more impressive if it had been done two weeks ago, or if he had cut them off before the fact.
Now, Bush can "do the right thing" and be sure just about anybody with a TV or radio or who has read a newspaper has encountered abundant coverage of the claims. Yeah, he should get a pat on the back.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
It would have been a lot more impressive if it had been done two weeks ago, or if he had cut them off before the fact.
The head of the swift boats vets said that if Bush had personally asked them to stop the ad, they wouldn't have.
Bush has no more power cut them off than you or I. (freedom of speech, press)
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lol... why would Bush do that when the entire thing is a product of his machine?
That'd be like Henry Ford takin' a sledgehammer to his car or something.
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I'm curious Nash, do you think moveon.org is a part of Kerry's machine?
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Hey MT congrtas on the 10,000!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm curious Nash, do you think moveon.org is a part of Kerry's machine?
Nope.
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Originally posted by Nash
Nope.
Sp moveon is a fine independant group not financially backed and driven by rich billionaires who also just happend to support Kerry?
You are so full of it, no wonder with people like you on his side that Kerry openly hires moveon.org people to be some of his key advisers..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Sp moveon is a fine independant group not financially backed and driven by rich billionaires who also just happend to support Kerry?
Sure moveon is supported by people who (ooh!) "also just happen to support Kerry". Duh. Like, what do you expect?
Here's my challenge to you:
Take a bit of time and follow the money of both moveon and the swifters... I look forward to hearing what you come up with.
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Mcgroin....
You are ,with respect, wrong. The liberals have some power to stop free speach, and are doing every thing they can to do so, with the help of major media types.
Think about it ,the liberals here, vets or not, are saying near three hundred vets are lying,
At the same time we are saying look at the facts, the ones who agree with kerry see it the way they see it. Let him release his records and put all to rest, thats all.
Problem is more things are coming out,ok you have mc cain, and thats fine, he deserves his views,now what are you going to do about the the pows that came out to day? One of them spent 7 or 8 years as pow. Are they lying to?
What about dole,he is right, in a short time we will have a president that has 3 purple hearts ,but he never did any bleeding.
Why is it the left does not believe in character any longer?
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Originally posted by demaw1
What about dole,he is right, in a short time we will have a president that has 3 purple hearts ,but he never did any bleeding.
Why is it the left does not believe in character any longer?
Whatta load.
One of Dole's purple hearts came as a result of him throwing a grenade at himself, resulting in a superficial wound.
Did Dole get attacked about that during the '96 elections? As if... Unthinkable. At least it was.
This stuff you're seeing now is just plain wrong.... so wrong.
Why is it the left does not believe in character any longer?
Suck a nut.
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March 10, 2004, Washington Post, "The Democratic 527 organizations have drawn support from some wealthy liberals determined to defeat Bush. They include financier George Soros and his wife, Susan Weber Soros, who gave $5 million to America Coming Together (ACT) and $1.46 million to MoveOn.org; Peter B. Lewis, chief executive of the Progressive Corp., who gave $3 million to ACT and $500,000 to MoveOn; and Linda Pritzker, of the Hyatt hotel family, and her Sustainable World Corp., who gave $4 million to the joint fundraising committee
5/4/04 Fox News, Special Report, Cameron"Many Of Them Are Republicans Who Have Contributed To And Backed Various Bush Campaigns And Causes Over The Decades" "Kerry's military service was an asset during the primaries; critics hoped to transform it into a liability now. The GOP says it's not involved with the veterans criticizing Kerry, but many of them are Republicans who have contributed to and backed various Bush campaigns and causes over the decades."
Seems like if you are going to throw swift boats out due to the partisanship of it’s contributors, you need to do the same thing for MoveOn.
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Originally posted by demaw1
Mcgroin....
You are ,with respect, wrong. The liberals have some power to stop free speach, and are doing every thing they can to do so, with the help of major media types.
Since when is GWB a liberal? I was referring to GWB's ability to use the power of his office to stop Swift Boats from buying ad time. He has no law to stand on to prohibit their free speech.
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Well...
I gotta concede this, some...
Of course the support is entirely partisan - that's not really anything suprising, obviously, and not really what I was getting at.
But I think the difference lies in the fact that moveon doesn't present itself as anything other than partisan. How could it?
On the other hand, all of a sudden we have these seemingly independant voices from Vietnam. But they are so not that. The trail from them to the whitehouse is as clear as the trail from moveon to its contributors.
But I have yet to see anyone here cop to that fact.
I'm willing to say that, indeed and of course, moveon is a partisan organization run by partisans. Will any of you be the first to say the same about the swifters?
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I would concede that moveon is supported by those who do not want Bush, and Swift Vets is supported by those who do not want Kerry.
Direct ties to either campaign are not proven, they are circumstantial because the supporters of MoveOn are fervent enough to also support and even work for the Democratic campaign and the same is true for swift boats and the Republican side.
I will say that for the contributors / supporters of the swifties, but I am not ready to say that each of the veterans themselves are raving partisans.
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Nash.....lol thanks...
Thanks for your reply ,it is so neat to watch liberals when they have no reasonable reply begin the derogatory statements .
Mc groin, sorry, I didnt make my self clear,the you was generic, and I was saying that the liberals do try to stop free speech when it suits them.And you are right on,gwb has no legal right to stop anyone.
Notice how fast kerrys group tried?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
"...and Swift Vets is supported by those who do not want Kerry."
Oh, you think so? Reeeally?
Heh, come on...
Way to couch the obvious while denying the obvious.
It appears you are under the impression that the swifters were basically lost satellites, orbiting the political landscape in lonesome frustration, until finally defying all mathematical probability came crashing into eachother last month forming what would be called The Swifters for Freedom With a Book to Sell.
Nah... nothing else at all involved here...
Why can't you just cop to it Holden? We're reasonable men here.
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To be honest, I don't have a problem with 527's, if they have ethics rules to follow. Anyone should be allowed to speak their mind about a candidate, PROVIDING they follow some rules about mudslinging. That mudslinging and dogpiling was the whole purpose behind the campaign reforms. Like anything else left to politicians, they took something good and curdled it.
Bush fell short of what I would have liked to hear, but it's a step. He failed to call the ads false. At least the words came from his lips. I think if you dig, there IS a connection with SBVFT and BFP but Dubya is personally unaware. Karl Rove and his minions are a different story...al la "You can't handle the truth".
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Originally posted by rpm371
I think if you dig, there IS a connection with SBVFT and BFP but Dubya is personally unaware. Karl Rove and his minions are a different story...al la "You can't handle the truth".
I agree with ya re 527s... But "Dubya is personally unaware"? Not a chance in hell. There is a reason why Jr. hired Rove. It is the same reason Sr. hired Rove. The guy is a fluff'n dog. He has been doing this watermelon since he was in college...
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Since when is GWB a liberal? I was referring to GWB's ability to use the power of his office to stop Swift Boats from buying ad time. He has no law to stand on to prohibit their free speech.
Using the power of his office to stop speech is specifically prohibeted by the constitution. He may not agree with the message but he does not have the authority or perogitive to use his office to stop it.
Prevention of that very thing you propose is exactly why that first ammendment was written.
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Nash, I could be wrong. I have always said Dubya was a puppet. Rove's likely got a deniability shell installed around him.
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Then it comes down to yet another question of either stupidity or complicity.
How many passes does this arse get?
Personally, I think it has always been both.
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I think it's a lot of column A, and a smattering of column B.
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Originally posted by Nash
Why can't you just cop to it Holden? We're reasonable men here.
Cop to what? That partisans support groups that may be of help to their POV? Okay.
You said 'nope' to GH question on whether you believe that MoveOn was part of Kerry's machine. But you seem perfectly happy to believe that swift vets cannot possibly have a similar status.
Now you cop to 527's on either end of the political spectrum showing that anyone's holier than thou attitude is ridiculous when criticizing the 527's on the opposite end.
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The head of the swift boats vets said that if Bush had personally asked them to stop the ad, they wouldn't have.
I believe they are about as independent as MoveOn, and are exercising their 1st ammendment rights for pretty much the same reasons. What if Carl Rove had asked them? It's still a case of having your cake and eating it too.
Charon
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
527's on either end of the political spectrum showing that anyone's holier than thou attitude is ridiculous when criticizing the 527's on the opposite end.
We have a WINNAH!
This is all simply riduckyewlooseness.
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Politics have always been hardball. You'll never win by whining, you win by playing smarter and harder if necessary.
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so it seems this all boils down to "your liars are worse than mine"