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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Creamo on January 20, 2000, 07:57:00 PM
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I think it quite funny that I get cussed out 90% of the time I kill a chute. Were talking being called very nasty things better left unmentioned! It’s even gone as far as being threatened, preached to, apparently pissing the victim of my bullet spewing pass off to the point they alter their gameplay just to go after me for the rest of the night! This game is simply wonderful for as*holes like me that find this type behavior amusing. Makes the dogfighting much more intense, and adds a little spice to the game. This coupled with one fantastic FM, a good core talent base of older WWII flightsim players, and flawless internet connections is the ingredients for many hours of sim bliss. Cheers to the HighTech staff. I really think you have a winner here. Back to the chute killing and my take on it.
Anyways,if you want to be a Gallant Knight (no ref to Knit’s) who fly’s a beautiful P-51 gracefully around at 20K admiring your bright smile in the refection of your just polished canopy and your clever open channel AOL chat posts that clog the message server, go ahead. But when you swoop down past the streets of blasted and disemboweled children that are now being cremated by the second wave of bombers dropping incendiary bombs to light up the cities ruptured gas lines getting a free E pass on my low n slow 109, don’t preach to me how to fight a WAR if I’m fortunate enough to shoot you down! Oh, that’s not in the game yet, but that’s what your doing in a sense! Of course that’s reference to real war, but aint we supposed to be thinking along the lines of modeling it?
At the end of WWII anyone flying a ME262 was in danger of being killed in a chute because the Allies knew that not only were those jets killing 10 guys a pop in a B-17, they were the best of Germany’s pilots. Speaking of pilot skill, the P-51 killed lotsa little German boys with very little flight time at the end of the war, making me suspicious of all the hype of how good a P-51 really is. Anyway, in defense of all you guys that whine at me, the Germans in fact WOULD’NT under any circumstances shoot chutes. To each his own, but tearing you out of that canvas with .20mm’s is my choice, and a blast to boot! If ya don’t like it, watch from the Tower or just not get shot down. The Allies and the Axis had 10’s of thousands of planes at the end of the war, which aint worth dik if noone can fly them. I’d help my side by killing every citizen bombing murderer in the bombing task force. And if you shoot at me for real today, your getting a Taurus 357mag shot in you…the whole clip! And if your flying in a war burning down my house, killing my kids, and punching .50’s into my 205 or 109, you better believe I’m going to kill you there to. Either by .20mm in through the canopy, or forcing you to bail and finishing the job there. You are not going home, and I’m not giving you a hot meal and a bed to sleep in for the remainder of the war!
Moral of the story? It’s still a game, so relax a little. And when you squeak, remember I’m howling with laughter. Be the White Knight in your shiny P-51 armor if ya want. Just beware of the stinkin drunk, brown toothed, cussing HUN in a yellow nose 109 with lotsa extra machine guns for yer chute pissed of because you just bombed my baracks and broke my last bottle of scotch. Hell,isn’t that why HiTech put the low cal machine guns in there in their anyway? They sure don’t work on aircraft! :0)
Have a nice day.
Peace,
Creamo
BTW, I just read “The First and the Last” by Adolf Galland. Galland was Commander of the Fighter Arm, and had over 70+ victories. An excellent book if you want the EAW from a German perspective. Anyway, this related story is a take on chute killing.(sort of)
One of the most successful British pilots of the war was R.A.F. Wing commander Douglas Bader. Bader was a great pilot even handicapped with 2 wooden legs from a 1930’s airplane accident. He was shot down by Galland’s flight on the German side of the channel in 1941. In an act of chivalry, Galland had him personally chauffeured to his airfield, sit in a ME109 pouring over all the details. They talked about the Spit and the 109, how the German camaflaged the airfields etc..Then Bader asked “Can you do me a great favor?” “With great pleasure, if it is in my power, responded Galland. “At least once in my life I would like to fly a Messerschmit. Let me do just one circle around the field.” (How did he get balls that big into a flight suit?!) Reluctantly, Galland refused due to the risk involved. Galland however offered him a new pipe and tobacco, and radioed England to request a new pair of wooden legs be sent over as Bader’s limbs were badly damaged in the crash, a new uniform, and specially inform Bader’s family he was alright. Then ya know what? Sometime later that night Bader vanished, a English air raid hit Galland’s base and several surrounding targets heavily. He had let himself down from a top window with sheets tied together. After the bombs and smoke cleared, there was a red cross box with Bader’s artificial limbs in it and a note telling them to give them to him. Sheesh! Not a very friendly reply to Galland’s chivalry I’d say! See, kill em all!
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You sound deranged or something...
I saw on TV this guy that shot up a German pilot after he bailed because they were shooting our guys that bailed. He was flying the Mustang because he said he "fired all six .5 guns at the guy".
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Ive seen your posts before. Did you get your mom to write this for you?
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I read about a pilot in the 357th who witnessed German planes strafing allied pilots in their chutes. He decided that they deserved a taste of their own medicine and began doing so likewise. Later he was shot down and his guncam film recovered and it whatever the Germans saw on it they didn't like and executed him. Atrocities were commited by all sides during the war. No one can claim to be totally exempt.
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You have to learn one more thing about chute strafing.. its not about realism, its more about honour and respect of other players..
They do shoot others just for saying something, nowadays... do you also shoot others if they say you to shut up?
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Good one Manock. Back to Douglas Bader. The real miracle was that when Bader got into one hell of a dogfight he was rammed by a 109 and had to bailout. His leg got caught in the corner of canopy door and he reached up and pulled the strap holding his artifical leg- it broke and he fell free and was able to open his chute. If he would have had good legs he'd been dead meat. His "handicap" saved his life. Keep up the humor.
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Creamo sneaks into AH message forum, sets down can labeled “Worms.” Then slowly, pulls out a ergonomically molded handled made in Mexico Krups model #404-70 hand held electric can opener, and opens can.
:0)
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System Intelligence reports a sociopath pilot flying without credentials known as Creamo operating in the arena. Pilot last reported impersonating a Rook.
Should you see this individual flying in your ranks, be aware... he is quite comfortable shooting you in the back, or worse...
You are requested to NOT lend this indivudual aid or support, as his actions to date are not in keeping with established mutually agreed terms of honor and respect normally given to any vanquished player.
This pilot can be identified from the following nasty social habits :
Sniffs his fingers after pickin the clingers from his butt
Picks his nose with the same fingers.. and eats it
Shoots Chutes
That is all..
Hang; OUT!
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I was gunned down tonight in my chute, but I guess I missed how to identify the culprit ... what's the technique so's we know who to give "credit" to? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif) I sure don't want to accidently pair up or join a squad where they hang out ... like my mother always told me, you're known by the company you keep. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My background has been more in WWI aviation/simulation, so this attitude of shooting folks in their chute is new to me ...
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I keep my eyes open.. If I see a friendly doin it; he never gets a six call or any kind of help from me again. If somebody pipes up on the open freq askin who did it; I volunteer the information in private direct to the pilot requesting the info.
It's a detestable nasty habit. Thankfully its pretty rare. To avoid tempting those infantile players unable to resist the urge to pick their butts and shoot chutes; I always open the chute very low to minimize dangle time.
Once on the ground I .ef immediatly. Lingering on the ground can be misconstrued as 'spying' and leaves you open to gettin gunned for legit reasons.
PYRO: suggestion: have system disable the 'chute open' command for any pilot who has a chute kill. Let the twit free fall to pancake status on his next bail (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Hang,
Only problem with that is the accidental chute kill. I have had a couple of these as I opened on the plane at close range and my .50s sawed it apart the pilot bailed. I had let off the tit but the bullets killed him that were already enroute. I apologized about it but nothing I could have done at that point. I have never shot a chute other than the few that have been spying and always a warning or two over open comms (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rocket
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The Red Dragons
Fierce and Bold
With Honour and Courage
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www.reddragons.de
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Mmmmhhhhh....
Looks to me as we now have a new 1st class target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Saint
DCO 186th Wardogs (Falcon4 Squad)
http://www.wardogs.org/ (http://www.wardogs.org/)
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[delta6 wrote this up for me to post]
I'll never forget the first time I almost shot a guy in a chute. I was in my 109-G10 about 3 weeks ago [we just got smoke and parts flying off planes], and was chasing a Spit that had blasted my wingman. I got in behind him, cut loose with my 20 mike-mike and watched as his engine died. Not too long afterwards I thought I saw him attempt to maneuver behind me. I was at a lower altitude by then, so I yanked it up into a zoom climb. By the time I got around and opened up he had just bailed. Not 2 seconds after he bailed I ran my guns through his aircraft and got a frantic call on the open channel. "109 east of F4 cease fire!! I just bailed!! Stop shooting!!".
I yanked the nose up again and circled the area looking for his chute. I spotted him not too far below me, so I went in to check on him. He was fine and accepted my apologies. He knew by the angle I was at that I couldn't have seen him. His aircraft was between him and me when I fired, and the smoke didn't help much.
"delta6: sorry about that, I couldn't see you by the angle I was at"
"[unknown]: That's OK, I know you didn't mean it. Just try and pick a different angle next time"
"delta6: I will. Thanks for not chewing me out over this serious mistake"
"[unknown]: Not your fault. From that angle, with all the smoke and my plane blocking the view, you couldn't have seen me. Don't sweat it, it happens sometimes."
"delta6: <salute> Wilco!"
Flakbait [for delta6]
Admin, Delta 6's Flight School
[I really got to register for these boards. having Flakbait read all my mail is bad enough!! --- Delta6]
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I too have had accidental chute kills and been killed myself.. and made and recieved similar apologies. It's part of the game.. it happens.
Thats entirely diffrent than watching someone else make a kill; seeing the doomed plane flame out; then seeing the chute; then watching yet another pilot (or the same one sometimes) pull off the dead AC and THEN come around and gun the chute... all premeditated; all with malice.
Very diffrent indeed. When it happened to me; his countrymen gladly gave me his plane type and location in private and watched as I pounded his plane into the mud.. and congragulated me on my execution of the scurvy ridden dog.
Hang
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Well, I don't shoot chutes 'less they on the grd near a base, then I warn them first to .ef or get straffed! BUT...unfortunately I have to agree somewhat with Creamo, when this goes pay if you want to shoot chutes, well then your $30 bucks 'o month reserves that right to you and all the whining directed at you that goes with it over channel 1 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). However as has been stated in previoust post's, you will suffer the consequences either through being 'targeted' or lack of assistance from your countryman. Plese don't shoot my chute!
ts
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I've shot chutes before... and most likely I'll shoot them again. I don't go after chutes as a rule, but there have been a couple of occasions.
If I'm being vulched at a base and I manage to get airborne and kill the attacker... rage will take the place of valor and the chute will die. Its only happened once that I can remember, but it sure as hell seemed the thing to do at the time.
Any time you are walking towards my base after bailing and touching down... I will shoot you. You aren't doing it to surrender, so I can only assume you are doing it to spy. There is nothing preventing you from exiting, I strongly suggest you do it... usually with my cannons.
This really seems such a petty thing to argue about over coms. Someone just wasted ammo on you. It cost you absolutely nothing points wise (correct me if I'm wrong here)... and if it does cost you points wise then isn't that what the enemy is supposed to do?
We don't have POW systems in place... You get to go back and grab another plane to look for the pilot to extract your revenge on whether you died or lived. If you don't like what was done.. call the pilot a dickhead and get on with life.
AKDejaVu
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If you really want to get back at someone you shoot down DONT SHOOT THEIR CHUTE!!
Think about it..shoot em and 5 seconds later their takin off in a shiny new plane..make em drift a while and land and at least you have delayed their "rebirth" for a few seconds to minutes..if he was stupid enuf to bail and open chute at 10+k.
I made the mistake of opening my chute at 22k once...and believe me..I was out of action for quite a while..I wish someone WOULD HAVE ended my misery!
Just my .02
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Granger,
LOL! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I think I actually remember when you did that. You said something, like, "Oh my god, I can't believe I did that!" You were moaning so loud, the dogs would've howled, if they had been modelled.
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leonid, aka grisha
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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We have to go through THIS again? I thought this was settled MONTHS ago.
"You bailed, you get nailed"
"Shoot the Chute"
"Hit the silk, spill his milk!"
"Parachute Corps? Perferate his corpse!"
"Chute in the sky? Shoot em in the eye!"
Those are my mottos. Royalties due if used.
Curly
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BBGUN: Not to distort the thread, but back to Douglas, did you read about how when he was a POW they had given him artificial limbs while in camp. He tried to escape, almost made it once. The Germans thought that this would make bad press if a guy like Douglas escaped, so they took his articial limbs away...give credit to the Brits for never giving up!
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hehe, have to say, I don't as a general rule, but like AKDejaVu, road rage can set in after being vultched 10 times in a row by a pilot. He can try to ditch or jump, but if I get airborne... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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I don't shoot chutes, I figure flying around it a few times is more humiliating for the drifter. Still, I never have understood the outrage over it, suppose I never will. If you don't want your chute shot, don't get shot down. If it does get shot down, take a deep breath, relax, they have more back at the base (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Fatty
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Do drunks count? I shot a few drunks last night...
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hehe, have to say, I don't as a general rule, but like AKDejaVu, road rage can set in after being vultched 10 times in a row by a pilot. He can try to ditch or jump, but if I get airborne...
Simple solution; don't take off from a field that is being vulched (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you get shot down because you take off from a field where someone can freely pick your bellybutton back to heaven, its your fault, not his (you would even do more good by taking off from another field; vulcher wouldnt get kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
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By the time WW2 rolled around, chivalry in combat (a shilly concept) was nearly gone. Pilots on all sides where killed in chutes, not common practice but it happened. Let us face facts, in a war of attriction planes are much easier to replace than pilots. Planes can be built in weeks, good pilots take a year or more. Pilots going down over friendly territory (and likely to return to combat) where much more likely to be targets than pilots going down over enemy territory. Using bullets on a person likely to be captured or killed and not a threat just doesn't make sense. In this game shooting chutes is totally a waste of ammo. Makes no sense what so ever. You only hasten the time in which that pilot can return to the air and start fighting again. You really pissed at someone - leave him in his chute and hope it takes 5 minutes for him to get to the ground.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Simple solution; don't take off from a field that is being vulched (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you get shot down because you take off from a field where someone can freely pick your bellybutton back to heaven, its your fault, not his (you would even do more good by taking off from another field; vulcher wouldnt get kills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
Please. Not another "Don't take off from a CAP'd field" lecture...
If we are down to 3-4 fields, all fields being hit, I will take off from a CAP'd field because we will soon lose all the fields if someone doesn't. And, under the current conditions, a determined defender can save or at least delay the capture long enough for the balance to swing. So you see, there is no problem in need of a "simple solution". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The score isn't everything, you know. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Sometimes you have to think of the other guys on your side, too. When you have people with whom you wing and enjoy flying, you are willing to endure some humiliation to achieve the ultimate goal. Saving my imaginary country is more important than saving my imaginary prettythang. YMMV.
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-21-2000).]
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Do it if you feel like it... Don't if that turns you on too! There isn't a right or a wrong here... only a bunch of opinions that don't mean anything more than this opinion! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Have fun in the skies!
Thunder
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Killin' chutes is sure fun in WB. Can't wait to try it in AH!
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AMEHN!! Funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'm waiting for pay to play to begin shooting chutes,it justs seems nicer,to hepl out the other guy get down&back up faster (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Geesh! Pretty soon people will be squeakin' about shooting a ditched plane. I got no problem shooting a ditched plane, and I got no problem shooting a chute. I was trying to kill the bastage when he was flying, and just because he doesn't have a plane doesn't mean I stop tryin' to keeeeel him. If the person is smart he won't pull his chute until almost on the ground. I want HiTech to give the floater a .45 cal automatic so at least we can have some fun and shoot back at the plane coming to strafe. When this flight sim goes pay I'm killing all the chutes I see..............WAR IS HELL!!
Thorns_Musketeer
CO Musketeer Escadrille
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Whoohoo! Nothin I like more than people getting fired up. I was however hoping for more actual reasons WHY people get so pissed off when you kill chutes. I can only assume that it’s the point thing, and that’s ridiculous. Sure, I’d like to lead the board, but I sure the hell aint going to sacrifice fun for it or WHINE cause someone shot my chute.
In response to everyone that contributed, thanks. Pretty cool to see everyones take on it. To the few that responded with sarcastic and mindless whining via personal attacks, I am not real impressed, but I’ll respond as people should on a BBS especially if they are flamed.
Yourdead Quote /“You sound deranged or something...” /
Well then, can’t argue there.
Mancock Quote/“Ive seen your posts before. Did you get your mom to write this for you?”/
Well, its my first post, but that is the single best comeback ever and I bow in humble defeat. That was intellect and flaming at it’s best, bravo. It must have taken years of thought, knowledge, and communications skills to ponder and actually take the effort to know your that clever and prove it by posting it on the message board for thousands to read. Still, I don’t think you wrote it because I heard that one a lot in 3rd grade. And guess what? Mom didn’t write that, because she lost her fight with cancer in December you mindless sorry bastard. You need an adult to slap you.
Bbgun Quote /“Good one Manock.”/
Can that be even more retarded? No comment.
Saintaw Quote /“Mmmmhhhhh....
Looks to me as we now have a new 1st class target “/
Cool. #1! Public Enemy #1 for simply killing a chute or eleven. So I guess the certain whine all day players are far better? Sheesh, anyway who did I replace?!
Hangtime Quote /“You are requested to NOT lend this individual aid or support, as his actions to date are not in keeping with established mutually agreed terms of honor and respect normally given to any vanquished player.
This pilot can be identified from the following nasty social habits :
Sniffs his fingers after pickin the clingers from his butt
Picks his nose with the same fingers.. and eats it
It's a detestable nasty habit. Thankfully its pretty rare. To avoid tempting those infantile players unable to resist the urge to pick their butts and shoot chutes; I always open the chute very low to minimize dangle time.
PYRO: suggestion: have system disable the 'chute open' command for any pilot who has a chute kill. Let the twit free fall to pancake status on his next bail.” /
Man Hang, I expect a lot better than this from you. I usually read all your posts which are generally insightful and intelligent. This is rubbish and childish. If you have no respect for everyones right to post their opinions, have some respect for yourself. I’m sick of your “BOOBIES” comments and am immediately tired of 12 year old references to my ass. That’s ok though, I assume it was a just a kid fit. The big one here is if you leave a wingman to die because for whatever reason he kills a chute, your missing the point of multiplayer. The single greatest moment in multiplayer gaming is making a kill on a opponent that was about to do the same to your wingman/squadmate/fellow countryman. When you see green text that says “Wow, thanks man” you know your not up with AI and it’s quite rewarding. I get a few of those each gaming session and it's pretty cool. Everytime I kill your chute will be pure gaming bliss.
Fatty Quote “/Still, I never have understood the outrage over it, suppose I never will. If you don't want your chute shot, don't get shot down. If it does get shot down, take a deep breath, relax, they have more back at the base “/
Hats off to you sir for being intelligent and posting that although you don’t kill chutes, you’re an adult and view it as such. I may reconsider after reading your take on it. NAW! :0)
BTW, you have the best damn squad name in the game!
Thanks for the reasonable posts regarding the matter, it is a pretty interesting subject. Now if only they could program in blood and the chute falling from the sky instead of that dreadful “Ooops, had 5 sticks of TNT in my pocket” explosion.
Tally Ho!
Creamo
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What can I say. That was bewetiful man.
...Curly straightens out his burboun stained
uniform, stands at rigid attention and renders a might respectful...
<S>
to Creamo.
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I think to truly realise the beauty of killing fellas in their chutes you have to get right up the nose of some guy who actually believes there is honour and chivilry in a computer game, you need to drive him crazy, get him sweet and b-ing online. They will probably accuse u of being hitlers lovechild but dont worry. They dont have warcrimes tribunals for virtual murder. Creamo, u go girl and if i see u trapped in your silk some day ill have no second thoughts about liberating u from it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Dotsie.
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ROFLMAO!
Nothin like a good fight; in the sky; on the BBS.. A kills a kill. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Wow, this must be the internet, where you'll find opinions, knowledge, and maturity (or lack thereof) from across the entire spectrum ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Seriously, I would like to request, that in these opinionated threads folks post their squad affiliation. In case rookies such as myself ever develop enough ability to be considered for squad membership, I'd sure like to know what squads are more "mutually compatible". I'm new to online sims, but that looks to be part of the fun/attraction of 'em, partnering up with buds you like. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Also, since AH sends out a message for who got credit for shooting down the plane, perhaps we can get 'em to also send out messages for who gets "credit" for shootin' chutes, ditched aircraft, and pilots on the ground? Seems like that would please everybody ... those doin' the shooting get public "credit" ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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..and finally.
The initial post was effective. I actually learned something. I have just found reason NOT to kill a chute (gasp), and it falls right in with the sportsmanship ideal.
I chased a B26 for quite some time and as he was slowly turning and firing at me it bled his speed a bit. DoctorYo came in much higher than me and tore it’s wing clean off. I thought it was a good combination of two greens. Although I didn’t get a kill, the speed losing turn/diverting of attention surely helped. I followed him down watching the nice firey effects. DoctorYo messaged me to break off. I hadn’t fired nor intended to, it’s bad SPORTSMANSHIP to do so. If I had chased him all the way down, made the kill, and someone could have blasted him even more in the death spiral and took the kill, now that would be a bummer. That’s where I can see sportsmanship. So I was thinking if I recognize that as fair play, certainly it must pertain to this topic as well, including blasting chutes.
Actually, earlier in the flight, someone had shot down Storm, and I buzzed by and shot his chute. He wasn’t exactly impressed, but that led to another good point. I can’t find much satisfaction in killing a chute from someone else’s kill, unless it’s part of a vulching package. Even a Rook!;0) It was kinda weak to do that as a green may not want that to happen to his kill. So, guess there is times when to and when not to kill a chute.
When I won’t-
1. Any kill from someone else
2. Any Kill I get that was a great fight
3. Any Kill on NON-WHINERS I respect
When I will-
1. Any kill by myself or anyone else when the chute came from a aircraft that was vulching.
(Although it’s fun strafing planes on the ground, when I do it I expect to be shot out of my chutes as well!)
2. Any Kill by myself or others of a well know whiner or who flames other people. (you know who you are. :0) )
3. Any of the HiTech staff. Not only are they good sports about it, they’ll finally give us .45’s if they get blasted enough! (BTW, one of you staff guys just refuse to bail out, that’s my course most of the time as well.)
Please disregard the first section if I’m drinking.
Tally Ho!
Creamo
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
I too have had accidental chute kills and been killed myself.. and made and recieved similar apologies. It's part of the game.. it happens...
Hang
Right on Hangdoobie! I have had exactly two accidental chute kills and none deliberate. I immediately appologized to them both.
Why don't I go after chutes? Simple and it's the exact same reason the Pac theater boys WENT after em.... Deny the enemy a quick replane and pilot. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It's hilarous seeing a guy pull his chord at 20+ feet! Takes him that much longer to get back into the fight. In the PTO, the Allies shot down Jap chutes to deny them pilots.
SO Tern sez: "Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!" but leave the bastidges hanging in their silk. THEN watch the frustration factor rise (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Since most disagreements seem to result in accusations of whining, I did not earlier post one of the reasons I don't like getting shot out of my 'chute since I wasn't sure the thread was interested in a rookie's thoughts ... but maybe Creamo is serious ...
As a rookie/newbie, I was learning something by floating along in my 'chute and watching how the masters do it ... seemed like a decent vantage point for watching & learning about dogfighting (since if I'm in a plane gotta keep checkin' my six, and feel obligated to help out my side by being a target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ). 'Course, then somebody came along and decided I'd had enough spectating ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Sorry gents,
Virtual honor, virtual valor???
You guys probably having virtual sex at porno sites too???!?!!
Say after me, ENME. DIE DIE
Matters not where, matters not why, die.
Dakota
[kicks puppy as he leaves room]
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Creamo,
You forgot one "When to-".
When the SOB is sitting on the ground begging you not to shoot him. BECAUSE hes just admiring the view of the battle, WHILE the whole time he's monitoring the situation telling his country man to CHECK SIX. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh sure, let me be a dumb arse, and not shoot him. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Check Six Squadie!
Central
Dickweed FG
http://bombergroup.com (http://bombergroup.com)
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I once parachuted and landed on an enemy base. I took a little stroll down their base. LOL!! Too bad I didnt have a .45 to ping some planes
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Too bad I did not have the chance, but I would like to strafe some guys in their chutes. To show how much I appreciate their flying.
The same guys who strafed my chute (Granger, on occasions).
The same ones who came to vulch my smoking plane while I tried to ditch (fine by me if they deserved the kill, but quite a few times thea arrived after the fight and picked what's left of it).
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I guess we shouldn't forget, prettythangholes are historically correct too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I tend to let em float to earth, because they ain't flying when they floating.
Jely
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I really don't have a problem with Chute Killers. This is a game, and people shouldn't take it personally. I do agree with Creamo that the point is to kill the opposition. In a real war, I think you SHOULD kill that SOB that was just trying to kill you. I don't understand why people always looked at this as a bad thing. It's like if he's floating innocently in that chute that all of a sudden he is some poor hopeless innocent child. Should we not jump an opponent if we surprise him on his six, since that's not really "fair" to him? Should we not fire all our cannons available if we are up against an inferior plane?
Anyway, since this ISN'T real war, I can see that it is more of a waste of time to kill a chute, for the reasons stated above that you're just putting him back in his plane earlier. I've been shot down in a chute several times, and it really doesn't matter, because he already killed me so he has nothing else to prove.
The reason I don't do it is because kills don't come that easy for me, and the last thing I want to do is expend ammo trying to chase down a little floating object that I can hardly see anyway.
Now, if I could charge through him and cut his chute with my prop..maybe I'd reconsider,lol
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
rbn
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Creamo himself touched upon the heart of it..
Sportsmanship.
I consider a chute a defeated enemy. He is unarmed; has discarded his weapon, in effect he has surrendered.
The rest is obvious.
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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>Sportsmanship.
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>I consider a chute a defeated enemy. He is >unarmed; has discarded his weapon, in >effect he has surrendered.
Good point (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
rbn
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The tears do roll down my cheeks - from laughing!
Last night I strafed raxx while he was a-floating down. The little warrior came up on the main channel and told me I was his brand new personal target. Oh, and BD too. Well, it got fun shooting them whineyboys out of the sky over and over. A few taunts and they weren't so fast to come up on the radio and squeak for getting strafed.
If you guys don't understand that this is only a game and are going to get your underwear bunched up so tight over people doing this, then by all means don't pull the cord so high up - 'cause I'll shoot you if I can. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Get pissed if you want to. Heck, this is just another part of the sim that mimicks RL. Some pilots shot chutes and others didn't. Some pilots got pissed to see it happen and tried to extract revenge and others didn't.
However, I think the whiners make the best targets of all. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Fly safe, bail high, and pull low (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Many problems arrise when you try to define sportsmanship in a game that simulates war. Is it sportsmanship to dive in on an aircraft when you have an alt advantage and a wingman? Is a 3:1 very sporting? How about a 4:1? What about going up against an inferior plane with a one that has it out-classed in most categories?
Rules and sportsmanship exist in sports to help level the playing field. The main object in war is to do as much damage to the other side with minimal damage to yours... not matter how it is done.
If you feel that sportsmanship can be defined in AH, then I'd like to see the definition for every circumstance. I'd like to see how your definitions compare to mine. I'd like to hear debate on each and every one.
Shooting a chute in AH does not cost anyone the game, the war, a life, time, money or anything else that really matters. Shooting a chute in AH should not be the end-all be-all definition of how honorable a pilot is in the arena. It shouldn't even be in the top 10.
Example...
Honor in the arena (or lack thereof)...
A spit is hanging out over an enemy base at 30k. An enemy spit trying to defend that base comes in at 27k not realizing the other is there until he arrives. The higher spit refuses to come down to engage and the lower spit can't climb any faster than the enemy to reach him.
In the mean time, 2 buffs procede to make bombing runs on the base below. In both occasions, the lower spit dove in on the buffs and removed a wing only to climb back up and play cat and mouse with the spit.
That spit pilot felt it was more important to hold an altitude advantage than it was to 1) risk losing alt to take on a plane even though having an energy advantage 2) risk losing alt just to keep the enemy from destroying two bombers.
I see people do things like this and wonder what they are thinking when they play... Score? K/D? What? Is the point of the game to score as much as possible, as it is in areas where sportsmanship applies... or is it to protect the lives of your countrymates at all costs?
When someone dives from 10k to straff a chute that is almost ready to touch down, I am not mad because he killed the chute... I am mad because he gave up valuable energy to do absolutely nothing of relevance. Much the same as the anger I feel when someone chases a wingless aircraft down 10k firing all the way.
So, while I see your point about sportsmanship... I think it is a bit of a stretch to apply in any war arena. Nothing in war is about evening the playing field... everything is about crushing the enemy.
I'd be glad they don't model wives in the arena. Then we'd have a real debate as to how honorable it is to take a pilot's wife once you've captured a base. Its a computer game, not a character definition tool.
AKDejaVu
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How about a neat thingie programmed in ?
Let's say someone strafes a chute of a certain country player.
The next time he bails over that country, he gets captured, of course. But due to the war crime he commited, he gets executed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Might be fun.
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But due to the war crime he commited, he gets executed
Hristo has a point, wasn't it against the Geneva convention to gun down a pilot in his 'chute?
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It was against the geneva convention to gun down anybody in a chute. Even paratroopers. Technically, you had to wait until they landed to open fire. When it came down to it, all countries continuously demonstrated that you protect your homeland at all costs. Rules don't mean crap when somebody runs you out of your country... or is there to kill you.
The rules of the Geneva convention are a means by where it is possible to punish some citizens for fighting in a war that the government started. War rule violations and ensuing trials deter from the real issue that a government just sent x thousand, x million troops to their death. It wasn't the government's fault that these men died.. it was the fault of that guy on the edge of a field shooting paratroopers... yeah... that's it.
"If everyone faught a war fairly, we wouldn't need the Geneva convention." Actually, if most faught wars fairly, the one that cheated would be the one to win. War is hell.
AKDejaVu
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Yup.. it's a sim.
And we're playin at war folks. A game. A sport; a contest of skills and tactics. We emulate war with this simulation.. similar to chess; or football... sport.
And the last time I checked good sportsmanship was part of good gamesmanship.
Same deals gonna go for everybody. $29.95. Yah pays yer money; yah picks yer plane; yah takes yer chances; come one come all..
I ask that you all consider for a moment... this is a new gaming community startin up here. What kinda community it gonna be??
Fom my part; shootin a guy in the risers is like kickin the QB in the nuts when he's been sacked tryin ta make a play. He's dowm.. plays over. Why kick him in the nuts?
You like gettin gunned in yer chute?
Yah like bein kicked when yer down?
Same question; ain't it.
Nope.. I don't shoot chutes. Not even Creamos. My choice. I prefer to play the game that way.
Hang
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PALE HORSES
"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Although it was done during the war I have never read about and ace bragging about doing it? I agree with hang it's a game like chess of course you can drop your pants and moon your opponent when you win but it's just
not done that much.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) handy
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Amen Dakota - honour is reserved for real activities where real lives are at stake. This is a video game. Kill all ya want. Hell splashing a chute helps the other guy get back in the tower faster anyways.
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Great post Creamo, and with practice we can shoot them while still in freefall, hell then they can't whine about getting there chutes shot! This is war you whiny old farts !!!!
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Good post, Hang, I'm with ya! I don't kick the dog at home & I don't cuss out the neighbors, and I don't shoot 'chutes online. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
My kinda wingman ... if you ever need another "target" to distract the enemy on squad night, LMK. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Creamos favorite two things about AH
Big icons on chutes so he can find them.
Open channel so he can taunt the person after.
He implies that not being straffed by him is some kind of honor…..to be earned….
I was going to just change fields last night when he showed up but it was fun shooting him down, and vis versa…I knew what was coming anyway.. and the numbers where fair between 13-24 with both sides trying to capture the other at the same time. Ended up being pretty fun once the channel 1 banter died down.
I would much rather fight a guy that will ping my chute and tease me about it then someone who is (apparently) deliberately warping and remaining anonymous.
HT has left the capability in this game because they want it there and it is their game.
I wonder though. Do his countrymen understand that we cant tell which chute is his and that eventually everyone will be shooting every chute?
I realized I was overreacting to the chuting last night so I tried to get a feeling from the guys on RW about it. The consensus seemed to be that they would never do it.(except lurkers). I wonder. Its pretty hard not too get pissed about it the second or third time.
Pulling your rip cord at low alt is just another skill you need in AH.
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Pongo
Sturm Gruppe
[This message has been edited by Pongo (edited 01-24-2000).]
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Gator; I'll open the Pale Horses recruitment office after we go Pay fer Play. Look me up then. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for the kind words. Salute!
Hang
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"I looked, and behold; a Pale Horse, and it's riders name was Death, and Hell followed with him" Rev 6.8
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Damn, that’s a good point Pongo. No one should feel like they are “earning” anything in reference to my discriminatory chute killing. From now on I will shoot EVERY chute I see. But if I only have say, 1 round left and there’s 2 chutes, I’ll pick yours. :0)
Don’t be worried about finding the right chute. Here’s how I do it. Keeping an eye on the message thread is key. Know where your wingmen are at all times. (you should always know that of course) When the message buffer shows SYSTEM:Thunder shot down Pongo, you know your about to see a chute under Thunders 205. Clear the area and make sure no countrymen are in trouble or there are no immediate targets. Select your guns so it’s only MG’s, not cannon because the MG’s are for tracers and chute killing. (They suck on planes.) Line em up, let em rip. The next step is very important…go to auto level and clear your six. Then watch that open channel message log. Howl with laughter as people lose their minds!
Creamo pulls out basketball and says “One, two, three” (bounces it off Pongo head) “CRY!”
“One, Two, Three” (bounces it off Pongo head) “CRY!”
BTW, those aren’t my favorite 2 things in AH. The open channel thing isn’t really my bag, although I do enjoy calling fatty a Fat Bastard when he shoots me down. It’s actually flying with the WWII Bearcat pilot in our squad. It is thrilling to know your flying wing for the real deal.
[Creamo writes a bad check, kicks dog, calls neighbor a filthy hag, and finally passes out]
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Creamos latest
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Creamo pulls out basketball and says “One, two, three” (bounces it off Pongo head) “CRY!”
“One, Two, Three” (bounces it off Pongo head) “CRY!”
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This would be interesting..
Is this a something you learned from your step dad...
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It’s actually flying with the WWII Bearcat pilot in our squad. It is thrilling to know your flying wing for the real deal.
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Makes him fairly interesting ..Doenst change your profile a bit...the fact you chose to mention it to validate yourself in some way adds to the picture though.
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Pongo
Sturm Gruppe
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Call me a newby if you will, being new to AH relatively speaking (I could have been playing for months but the game just doesn't suit my fancy like Air Warrior 4W, II, and III once did.
Chute kills are not new to the flight sim world from what I can remember. As far as being an honor thing, that's hog wash. This game is no more about honor to us than Monica Lewinsky was about "true love" to Billy boy Clinton. If it's about honor...you're sad...Ha! It's a game, and should be a source of fun and relaxation. If getting yourself shot down as a chute ruins this fun for you, you should reconsider your stay here at Aces High.
And let's not forget the fact that sometimes people chute to KEEP from getting killed...you all know what I'm talking about...the dweeb who sees someone zooming in on his six and realizing his situation, bails to keep the aggressor from getting an easy kill on him and hurting his pride. Now if it's REALLY an honor thing, that pilot in particular deserves to die more than anything else.
Back in the AW days...the chute kills was more about points than anything, and not in the way you think I'm going to respond...
In Air Warrior, when you got shot down as a shoot, as opposed to landing as a shoot, you got counted as a death and received less points, and being so infatuated with their status as a pilot on the pilot ranking boards, this really was a burr in their saddle.
My answer to all of this is it's all horse hockey. If it's really an honor thing...the "honorable" who complain about the chute kills would keep their pie holes shut and not waste their time complaining in the first place, and instead would silently hunt down their "murderer" in silence, (I think multiple kills over and over with no response from the killer to the killee would piss off just about anyone in the game and serve as a very good way to avenge ones death). Instead, the "honorable" make themselves just as dishonorable by mouthing their complaints and concerns, "whining" so to speak. Which is more annoying, hearing someone constantly whine about something that can't be fixed, or getting shot down as a chute maybe once out of ever 10 to 50 flights or more?
It's a game, I say play the way you feel is fun and relaxing, and let others do the same...and if bailing out and getting shot raising your blood pressure and causes your face to turn red, you might want to seek another means of relaxation and fun, as this one is going to give you a heart attack at a very early age and possibly at your computer desk.
GURU
33rd Strike Group
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Man do I ever like that creamo guy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Not exactly my type of jerk, but he'll do. I hope he blasts every single last one of you while your dangling in your supposed cotton fortress. Just more targets to me. Like them b26s...mmmm. Lunch.
Fallen
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PUNT! Was digging through the bowels of the BB and found this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I remember this! Cod this is like a passage from the scriptures <genuflects and proceeds>
I was so impressed with what Creamo penned that I was moved to make some wall space, in the living room, between the two solemn and sancitified pictures of the Holy Mother Mary and John F Kennedy for Creamo's picture to reside. It hung there beautifully too.
-Westy
Only problem was the old witch who owned the damned house called the police and I was busted for breaking and entering.
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After reading this thread I wonder to myself... How in the hell did Hangtime get in to the squad?!?! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Just kidding ya Hangtime!! You need to get up in the arena a little more sailor boy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk Bastards
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That was my 1st post... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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That post coincided with creamo setting the tour one record for most bails.
figures.
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If you guys think chivalrous deeds belong in Aces High, I think you dropped through a time warp or something. WW2 was filled chute strafing incidents (both sides.)
Maybe WW1 was that way, but no way was WWII a chivalrous affair.
AH is such a realistic sim, it's difficult not to let your emotions get the better of you when someone just captured a field, blew up arena wide dar, killed your goon or vulched you off the runway. While I don't go out of my way to shoot chutes, given the right circumstances, yep, I'll blast them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
AKcurly
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I have a book in wich an american pilot expresses regret for not strafing a chute of a 190 pilot he just shot down, because the 190 pilot was so good he was sure if he survived he would kill more allies
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Ya well
we all learn.
thats befor I found out how wing comander Caldwell got the handle "Killer"
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"Sheesh! Not a very friendly reply to Galland’s chivalry"
Actually, it was Churchill who personally declined to have the legs ferried over. He said it was wrong to fraternize with the enemy. The legs were instead dropped by bombers hitting a nearby target (probably the airfield got hit as well, dunno).
Chute shooters? Lol, I love it when they crash into my chute, burn downwards and I get to brag about my iron ass. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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You spend time in your day researching...err, I mean worshiping my stats pongo, and I really dig that. Really.
1-2-3- cry, boink!
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Naw I had dug that out for another thread where you were saying that people that bail are weanies anyway so shooting them down is mercy killing or something. Of course it was incredably funny and revealing that you had bailed so much. You probably forgot bailing so much because of the damage done to your skull by your basketball training as a kid.
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It ain't the training Pongo, it's the liquor. And yes, Creamo is a weanie (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SOB
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Funny how chute killers have to find good reasons to do this. What is your problem boys? Have to find legitimate reasons for having a quick moment where you can feel your power on the enemy, moments you are desperately seeking for in RL (TM)?
Only to say that I don't like chute-killers. Only because I don't like those who attack unarmed people, but that's only MHO.
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If you dont want to be shot in your shoot, dont bail. If you bail, expect to be shot. I dont shoot chutes but the only reason is that I dont want to waste ammo.
Frankly, these threads are inspiring me to change that habit and take it up as a game sport.
Any tips from the long time chute shooters?
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Originally posted by Hokum79:
Funny how chute killers have to find good reasons to do this. What is your problem boys? Have to find legitimate reasons for having a quick moment where you can feel your power on the enemy, moments you are desperately seeking for in RL (TM)?
Only to say that I don't like chute-killers. Only because I don't like those who attack unarmed people, but that's only MHO.
If you're unarmed....how do you fly the plane? Or pull the ripcord when ya jump? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Sling322
Not a Monitor!
Fat Drunk "Chute Shooting" Bastards
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LOL SOB,
You dug into the archives...this thread is great; but ya know, shoot the chute or don't...just fly and have fun. (rarely do myself, but have done it... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
See You Up,
trm
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Ban Creamo and/or don't pack a chute if ya do count to five thousand before you pull the rip cord.
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Ive died way more often hitting the ground cutting it too close then I ever have from chute shooting. By a factor of about 10.
Torque. come back
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wow long thread didn't read it all so if this is repetitive sorry (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
just wanted to toss in the fact that there are eye witness accounts of German pilots shooting up chutes. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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It reminds me the French Ace Pierre Clostermann answering a journalist:
"-journalist: We have been told that some pilots were killed while chuting. Is that true?
-Pierre: You know, there are always people trying to make war more horrible than it is..
-Then there were?
-Yes there were. On every sides."
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Hehe..old thread I can see...but I have to interject my opinion. In war, real war, there is no such thing as Honor when it comes to killing your fellow man. Its a nasty, brutal fact. Some SOB just got through turning your friend into a pile of mush beside you and all you want is some bloody payback. He's sitting there begging for his life after killing your friend whom you know has a wife,kids etc... so you promply put a round through his head and move on... the back of the head because you dont wont to remember faces, screw him.
NOW... THIS is a game... it IS NOT WAR. Its like a baseball game, rugby, football, soccor etc. You act with civility and decency as this is taking place in a CIVIL enviroment
NOT a battlefield. People who thank otherwise need to see the horror and tears in a frontline vets face if he ever has to much to drink and decides to talk about what they saw ....
Batdog... out.
P.S. Besides why shoot a chute... I never get to bail... look for a miss flown 38,hellcat or even a c205. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by batdog (edited 04-06-2001).]
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Originally posted by Torque:
Ban Creamo and/or don't pack a chute if ya do count to five thousand before you pull the rip cord.
Torque you old b*stard, where ya been?
Miss winging with/against ya.
Git yer big hairy bellybutton back in the MA!
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creamo... revolvers don't have "clips" and german pilots did shoot at chutes... other than that i would agree with what you say.
This is a game or it is war... either way... To kill the cowardly bailer is both moraly correct and good game tactics. with the idiotic perk system, killing chutes is mandatory. If you don't... the same timid coward who is ruining gameplay will be back up that much sooner in an even more cowardly perk plane.
Killing suicide buff bailers who is both pleasing and character building but, you have to wait till they allmost hit the ground (best in any case).
when someone flys a risk free course in a risk free plane (or group of em) running away at the first sign (real or imagined) of any slight disadvantage... Yeah... if he blows it and has to hit the silk... it is mandatory to kill his chute.
lazs