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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: vorticon on August 23, 2004, 07:30:29 PM
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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1093299010680&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037
"Police chiefs want more access to private e-mail
FROM CANADIAN PRESS
VANCOUVER — Police want the federal government to revamp 30-year-old Criminal Code provisions and give them greater access to fight hi-tech crime carried out via e-mail, the Internet and other forms of electronic traffic.
The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has been after Ottawa for Criminal Code amendments for some time and today, the association's president reinforced that call.
The shortcomings of outdated legislation "poses a significant threat to public safety," said Edgar McLeod, who is also chief of the Cape Breton Regional Police Service.
McLeod said police are losing the crime-fighting battle to legislation that was written in 1974 — when the rotary-dial telephone was still in use.
"Since then the technology has advanced while the police ability to keep up has not kept pace," Edgar said during a break at the association's annual conference.
"We say it's time to stop talking and start acting immediately."
Police organizations want more power — through lawful access with warrants — to monitor e-mail, Web surfing, instant messaging, mobile telephones and telephone services that use Internet connections.
The police are especially concerned about child pornography, exploitation of children, and organized crime.
The chiefs seem to have growing support from the federal government.
In a speech to the Canadian Association of Police Boards last week, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan described the issue as ``something my department is actively working on."
But a Toronto-based national group known as Privateer says the police and the federal government must make the case to the public that cyber crime is increasing and that changes to the laws are needed.
"Those laws can apply to the existing medium quite well," said Robert Guerra, managing director of Privateer, which describes itself as a coalition of computer professionals and human rights organizations.
"It doesn't mean that the old laws are bad," he said. "It means police and authorities have to go through just cause for them to prove to a judge that they can intercept communication.
"That is how it works now. Why do they need additional powers?"
Guerra agreed a new era of communications exists, but it's also true that the Charter of Rights came into force after the 1974 Criminal Code provisions.
"So any new rights on any new communications medium regarding powers we give police have to be balanced with rights we have under existing modes of communication," he said.
Peter Barnes, president and CEO of Toronto-based Canadian Wireless Telecommunications Association, said there are huge cost implications to the police demands.
"Our issue is that, whatever is the right approach, we have to recover the costs associated with that," he said, referring to time and labour that Internet providers and others would incur keeping such information and making it accessible to investigators.
"It's quite complex and can be quite costly," said Barnes. "We don't think our customers should subsidize this enterprise that's carried out by law enforcement."
McLeod and other chiefs made the point several times that they are looking at "lawful access," not more powers.
Supt. Thomas Grue of the Edmonton Police Service, said police were reluctant to discuss in detail the types of things they would like better access to for fear of alerting the criminals.
"There is some technology now that we can't intercept but we can't list them for public safety reasons," said Grue.
Some Internet providers, for instance, can now purge data at will because there are no regulations, said Grue.
How long they would keep the data and who would pay added costs for doing so is still being debated, he said.
The association says other countries, including Australia, New Zealand, Britain and the Netherlands, have already adopted legislation aimed at modernizing their lawful access statutes."
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Hence, the Canadian Patriot Act. Not evil, no loss of freedoms, just an update to antiquated laws.
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This is Bush's fault!!!!
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As long as they dont restrict guys from using lipstick hey..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
This is Bush's fault!!!!
Do you picture people laughing every time you write this?
Just curious...
:D
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Originally posted by Nash
Do you picture people laughing every time you write this?
Just curious...
:D
No, not at all. More along the lines of a somber nod - I'm hoping to awaken peopler to the truth.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm hoping to awaken peopler to the truth.
Ahhh.... gotcha. Makes sense.
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Heh Canucks will enlarge their noodle's and the Lesbian Factor in CanaDuh will subside...
Who knows?
:confused:
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and he wants to eat your babies and look at your email.
Elect Kerry and every Canadian will not have to worry about this.
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I watched this Moore film and he said you guys don't have crime. You dont even lock your front doors.
;) JK though.
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Once again demonstrating without any shadow of a doubt that Americans are seemingly incapable of discussing anything unless they are somehow able to, firstly, reshape the subject so it becomes in relation to themselves, and finally, becomes solely about themselves.
I don't got a prollem with that... I can understand why that happens and it seems kinda natural to me. But, ya know, just stfu already with the "Why do you foreigners care about the US" whine. It's not so much that as it is the fact that with the preponderance of Americans on this BBS, it's just gonna go there no matter what so there's no use pretending.
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Article is about Canada.
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Originally posted by Nash
Once again demonstrating without any shadow of a doubt that Americans are seemingly incapable of discussing anything unless they are somehow able to, firstly, reshape the subject so it becomes in relation to themselves, and finally, becomes solely about themselves.
I don't got a prollem with that... I can understand why that happens and it seems kinda natural to me. But, ya know, just stfu already with the "Why do you foreigners care about the US" whine. It's not so much that as it is the fact that with the preponderance of Americans on this BBS, it's just gonna go there no matter what so there's no use pretending.
No, we just enjoy making you upset. You seem a little sensitive. Here is a shoulder to cry on. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128204)
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Actually the proposal is for the law to catch up to technology, no different then in the UsofA with the title 3 (Part VI in Canada) investigations and the Cela Standards. The proposed legislation does not give the police any additional powers, they are still required to get judicial authorization, it just forces the various telephone companies, ISP's and so on to allow access to their systems for law enforcement.
Regular
Article is about Canada..
Thats funny coming from a guy in minnesota eh......
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Digital Fortress by Dan Brown explains alot of stuff like this
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lol Ripper.
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Originally posted by Regular
lol Ripper.
:D
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Originally posted by Drunky
No, we just enjoy making you upset. You seem a little sensitive. Here is a shoulder to cry on. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128204)
Oh Drunky,
I notice that you never invest yourself emotionally into our community, but instead are content with making comments about comments. Where is the passion, the feeling? Or do you even feel anything?
I'm reaching out to you. Don't be afraid of coming in from out there in your lonely place and sharing. We are people, after all. And some people are people people but not everyone.
I care. That is why.
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Originally posted by Nash
Once again demonstrating without any shadow of a doubt that Americans are seemingly incapable of discussing anything unless they are somehow able to, firstly, reshape the subject so it becomes in relation to themselves, and finally, becomes solely about themselves.
I don't got a prollem with that... I can understand why that happens and it seems kinda natural to me. But, ya know, just stfu already with the "Why do you foreigners care about the US" whine. It's not so much that as it is the fact that with the preponderance of Americans on this BBS, it's just gonna go there no matter what so there's no use pretending.
Nash if you are responding to my post I was only kidding. You're right I have no desire to discuss this, I completly agree the police should have more access to emails. I just dont feel compelled why an American needs to voice his opinion on a soveriegn nations policy...... :D
Digital Fortress by Dan Brown explains alot of stuff like this
That is an AWSOME book!
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Originally posted by Nash
Oh Drunky,
I notice that you never invest yourself emotionally into our community, but instead are content with making comments about comments. Where is the passion, the feeling? Or do you even feel anything?
I'm reaching out to you. Don't be afraid of coming in from out there in your lonely place and sharing. We are people, after all. And some people are people people but not everyone.
I care. That is why.
Nash, are you coming on to me???
While I am flattered I must assure you than not only am I heterosexual but that I also have a wife and two kids. ;)
You could probably include the song Feelings in that other thread also. I'm sure there are a lot of sensitive people who cry to that song.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Hence, the Canadian Patriot Act. Not evil, no loss of freedoms, just an update to antiquated laws.
They tried to pass one, but it wouldn't go. To antithetical to the workings of democracy...funny that.