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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on August 23, 2004, 09:40:10 PM
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What's with the new laws? My understanding is that it is eliminating overtime requirements for people who make over 100k a year and requiring it for those making 26K and up or something.
IS BUSH TAKING AWAY MY OVERTIME??????????
JK AD military work 10 hour days 6 to 7 days a week and our pay is the same as the pay chart says it is.
Anyone elses thaughts? I havnt seen too much news coverage or contraversy over this other than Edwards w/ a microphone trying to scare people.
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From what I have seen, it will give a whole bunch of people who need it a raise, and hurt some people that are making pretty good money. Since exemption is a negoiated perk, I don't think many people will be getting a pay cut.
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it is based on salaried employee's IIRC. hourly employees wont be effected, but if you make 6 figures a year what do you care?
oh wait, the republicans are moving in on the dem's territory of the non-rich huh? cause those dems are all over helping the lower middle class
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WTF?!?! i though this is what Dem's were suposed to do?
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I'm positive it doesn't effect you JB73. I'm equally confident you don't understand it.
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Originally posted by Creamo
I'm positive it doesn't effect you JB73. I'm equally confident you don't understand it.
yes, it does not effect me.
and yes in understand it. im too lazy to type it all out here, im going to bed.
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"IS BUSH TAKING AWAY MY OVERTIME??????????"
Lol, sleep tight.
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Originally posted by Creamo
"IS BUSH TAKING AWAY MY OVERTIME??????????"
Lol, sleep tight.
look at who posted something before randomly grabbing text and assigning it to someone.
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Oh, sorry, didn't mean to do that.
(http://web.bcgroup.net/~darren/pics/gif/28392719.gif)
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Creamo makes another friend...:lol
Look, Bush is doing exactly what the left wants to do, lessen the gap between rich and poor! :rofl
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Anyone have a link to the verbage of the new law?
IKON
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Wiat, I'm confused... Isn't overtime still settled via sudden death?
God I hope they don't turn to that PC "each team gets a chance to score"
crap... oh... what?...
Never mind.
-Sik
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Originally posted by 1K0N
Anyone have a link to the verbage of the new law?
IKON
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/fairpay/main.htm
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Edwards blasts new OT rules
In Saturday radio address, VP candidate says measure curtails pay at a time workers need it.
August 23, 2004: 1:20 PM EDT
ATLANTA (CNN) - Calling to mind his days unloading tractor trailers during the summer, Sen. John Edwards blasted the Bush White House Saturday for endorsing a law that curtails overtime pay for some U.S. workers.
"Why would anyone want to take overtime pay away from as many as six million Americans at a time when they need that money the most?" Edwards asked during the weekly Democratic radio address.
The law, slated to go into effect Monday, redefines guidelines by which employers are required to pay overtime to some U.S. workers.
"Working Americans have to tighten their belts in this economy, and on Monday that belt's about to get a whole lot tighter when this new overtime law starts working," the North Carolina Democrat said.
Edwards listed a wide range of professions that could be affected by the law including computer programmers, line cooks and police sergeants.
"And if you are a nursery school teacher, preparing your classroom for another school year, don't make any number charts that go over forty because anything higher than that just doesn't count in this administration," Edwards said referencing the standard 40-hour work week.
Edwards vowed that, if elected, he and his running mate John Kerry would not deny workers overtime pay.
"We need a president who'll work overtime for you
Yup it really looks like Bush is taking away my overtime!!!!
Welcome to the FairPay Web site. It's designed to help you understand the Department's new FairPay rules that strengthen overtime protections.
Under the new FairPay rules, workers earning less than $23,660 per year — or $455 per week — are guaranteed overtime protection. This will strengthen overtime rights for 6.7 million American workers, including 1.3 million low-wage workers who were denied overtime under the old rules.
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Originally posted by Horn
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/fairpay/main.htm
TY sir!
IKON
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Don't worry. If you earn more than than $23,661 this year and are unfortunate to have your job reclassified under the new, very gray rules (see link below), then you'll find out soon enough.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/fairpay/fs17a_overview.htm
Look on the bright side. Maybe your job won't be exported now that they can pay you less for the same time if not more. Then again maybe not if it means they won't get that overseas tax break ......
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I got an idea, we let employees and employers negotiate salaries without the government forcing either party's hand. It's called "freedom".
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Funked is a liberal!
-SW
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lol. damn radical at that too. Who ever heard of people working things out sans gubberment interference.
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if You work in IT then your screwed..
Ill quote Fark's Comments:
PSA (tag) "Attention computer nerds: All your overtime are belong to us"
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/fairpay/fs17e_computer.htm
Thats real fair... Burger flipper with no investment into a long term carreer gets directly subsidized by IT workers with several years of investment (college, schooling, and most important time..) into their carreers.. (i dont want to hear congress moan about offshoring when they disenfranchise the US worker with this crud.. and note they do this in a recessed IT market to boot Fubar IT nice going..)
Why be a computer engineer when you are discriminated in protection of overtime pay... (and yes in IT you pull overtime or your salary will reflect the 24 on call service you may provide..) This is a bill/law that is obvious its meant to save companies money (not protect worker's pay).. and is heavily weighted for them..
exp..
1 computer engineer gets docked pay... but 10 burgerflippers (burgerking for exp they got IT staff for their POS systems..) get new benefits at the engineer expense its a wash... for the company paying the salary.. taking from my pocket and putting into someone elses..
whats next doctors, engineers, professors(well maybe not them them)
lawyers.. etc.. get the picture..
Time worked should be time paid just that simple with no exemptions..
you wonder why there is offshoring of IT.. This is another new reason to add to the bunch..
What i see happening to IT in america is that more and more will go into business for themselves and incorporate.. Then they will charge a flat rate for everything instead of hourly contract rates at a loss to the general consumer with inflated costs and prices as opposed to competitive hourly rates.. you watch and see..
Im against the new laws.. anytime you have loopholes they will be exploited.. usually at the cost to the consumer or general public..
2 cents.
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
WTF?!?! i though this is what Dem's were suposed to do?
Are you new to this planet?
EXCERPT - LA TIMES
WASHINGTON — In an unprecedented overhaul of the nation's overtime pay rules, the Bush administration is delivering to its business allies an election-year plum they've sought for decades.
The new rules take effect today after surviving many efforts by Democrats, labor unions and worker advocates to block them in Congress and kill them through public and political pressure.
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Also Gunsling, you are safe:
"The change will have little or no effect in California, which has its own stronger overtime rules, said Dean Fryer, spokesman for the state Department of Industrial Relations. 'The only ones who would be affected would be government employees, and they're covered by union contracts,' he said.
Seventeen other states have their own overtime rules, which will prevail if they offer stronger worker protections, said labor attorney George Preonas, of the Los Angeles office of Seyfarth Shaw"
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OH well.....Military...we work 24/7 sometimes with no overtime and alot of us below the poverty level.
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I had it good in the service. `Course ... I was single. Man ... all the cash I blew on booze, broads and music.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Also Gunsling, you are safe:
"The change will have little or no effect in California, which has its own stronger overtime rules, said Dean Fryer, spokesman for the state Department of Industrial Relations. 'The only ones who would be affected would be government employees, and they're covered by union contracts,' he said.
Seventeen other states have their own overtime rules, which will prevail if they offer stronger worker protections, said labor attorney George Preonas, of the Los Angeles office of Seyfarth Shaw"
I'm not worried about it myself, Active duty military dont make overtime....even as little as we are paid for our work something, we still make the same amount.
I just find it funny that these rules were drafted by a republican but are aimed at low income wage earners and also protect blue colar workers.
Then we have john edwards blasting this because it takes a small percentage of worker's overtime away.