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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on August 24, 2004, 01:52:02 AM
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I should start one of these threads every week just to get the left's response.
So here we go, what does Kerry stand for? We all know he's a veitnam vet but as far as a govt leader what makes him "presidential"?
Challenge: I bet you cant answer any one of these questions without mentioning Bush or anything Bush has done.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Challenge: I bet you cant answer any one of these questions without mentioning Bush or anything Bush has done.
What does he stand for?
The only reason you ask this is because you're predisposed to either not hearing it, or not accepting it.
It is as if you think he cannot possibly be for real. Which is your perrogotive, but it doesn't mean that his stances don't exist, however disagreeable they may seem to you.
Mostly, he's just a smart, decent guy.
What makes him presidential?
Being President helps. Truthfully I don't really know what that word means other than apearences. But there's something weird that happens when someone goes from being a candidate to being the actual President. You can witness the change right there on your TV and it happens in a single day. They just suddenly look different.
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Kerry stands for whatever he thinks people want to hear in order to help him get elected. That's Kerry in a nutshell.
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I think Gunslinger was looking for a more issue based response, something like this from the Democratic Platform:
Child care costs are rising twice as fast as inflation, and millions of working parents worry desperately how to care for their children between 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. each day. Other families must care not only for their children, but also for loved ones who are older or have disabilities. We will increase tax credits to pay for child care and eldercare, and make sure those credits are available to lower-income families and stay-at-home parents. We will expand after-school opportunities, help schools stay open until 6 p.m., and offer good transportation so young people can take advantage of it. We support expanding family and medical leave to help parents meet the growing challenge of balancing work and family responsibilities.
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Originally posted by Nash
What does he stand for?
The only reason you ask this is because you're predisposed to either not hearing it, or not accepting it.
It is as if you think he cannot possibly be for real. Which is your perrogotive, but it doesn't mean that his stances don't exist, however disagreeable they may seem to you.
Mostly, he's just a smart, decent guy.
What makes him presidential?
Being President helps. Truthfully I don't really know what that word means other than apearences. But there's something weird that happens when someone goes from being a candidate to being the actual President. You can witness the change right there on your TV and it happens in a single day. They just suddenly look different.
No nash....these are real genuin posts. They may have a reason like: to prove to the left they have no clue who they nominated.
Seriously though...smart....decent guy. NO ONE CAN TELL ME WHAT THIS GUYS CONVICTIONS ARE.....they only thing they can do is recite what they do not like about Bush and then be completly convinced that Kerry will be that much better.
I think the librals are getting the short end of the stick here. They were sold a bag of goods not knowing most of it was way beyond the expiration date.
The best way I've heard Kerry described is like this: "he's like a REALLY REALLY bad blind date"
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I think Gunslinger was looking for a more issue based response, something like this from the Democratic Platform:
close but I'd rather hear this from Kerry himself not from the DNC platform. From what I've heard from Kerry if Bush had said the same thing all of this would be BAD and he'd want to know how he's going to pay for it.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Kerry stands for whatever he thinks people want to hear in order to help him get elected. That's Kerry in a nutshell.
I can understand how having stances that appeal to a majority of Americans may look like his stances are designed appeal to a majority of Americans.
But uh.... what exactly is wrong with advocating for the positions that that majority of Americans hold? Isn't he supposed to represent you? Isn't that the way democracy ideally should be?
Welcome to the fringe, Nuke.
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Originally posted by Nash
I can understand how having stances that appeal to a majority of Americans may look like his stances are designed appeal to a majority of Americans.
But uh.... what exactly is wrong with advocating for the positions that that majority of Americans hold? Isn't he supposed to represent you? Isn't that the way democracy ideally should be?
Welcome to the fringe, Nuke.
it's not so bad actually
it just matters which Americans he's responding too......OR.....If I could just hear WHAT that position was I could judge weather or not I agree with it.
I have not heard ONE thing from Kerry that says he takes a stance on anything.....unless its something that goes against somthing Bush said.
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Nash, you are a smart guy. Can you get through the BS and tell us what Kerry actualy stands for? I can't
He's trying to play all sides of all issues and he's not doing a good job of it.
P.S. welcome back from your holiday..I just got home today from mine :)
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K is for his kindness for all people.
E is for the Earth's vast resources.
R is for his rich ... and noble family.
R is for .... his rich ... and noble family.
Y is for how young botox makes him look.
Put it all together you have .... Kerry.
And don't forget .... he won three Purple Hearts.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
close but I'd rather hear this from Kerry himself not from the DNC platform.
lol... that cracks me up.
How would you like this information delivered to you? In an advertisement? From a stump speech?
Gimme a break... His positions are there for anyone to have a look at. You will not see them on TV because it is exactly your ilk that has removed that possibility from being a worthwhile means of communicating to you.
You want soft (hard), easy, and digestible. Hate in bite-sized peices.
So no my friend.... Instead you get BS ads, BS speeches and it's exactly what you deserve. That's fine, because it's really all you seem to want.
Otherwise you would have looked into it your own self, and not needed to ask here.
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So what you are saying is you can not tell me what does kerry stand for.
what will he do that will make him a better president then Bush?
You can insult me all you want but you are just proving my point.
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Okay fine...
Kerry stands for leadership abilities.
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Originally posted by Nash
lol... that cracks me up.
Gimme a break... His positions are there for anyone to have a look at. You will not see them on TV because it is exactly your ilk that has removed that possibility from being a worthwhile means of communicating to you.
His positions are such that he never states them himself, but require "looking up" Kerry can't run on his views, because mainstream America will not tolerate and are 180 degrees opposed to his views.
Nash, can you list in your own words some of Kerry's stances on major issues for Americans? Please?
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You will get 65% Clinton, and 35% Bush Sr.
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How about this Gunslinger, from a Kerry speech:
My pledge – and my plan – is for 10 million new jobs in the next four years.
This is a realistic plan. I won’t tell you that we can bring back every lost industry or protect every current job. But my plan will enable our economy to create jobs and keep more good jobs here in America. It offers a long-term strategy to win our economic future. We won’t do it through government make-work, but by making our economy work so that businesses put Americans back to work.
I will set out the details of this economic plan in the weeks ahead. I’ll focus on raising American competitiveness:
-- Spurring the growth of new industries like the broadband technology that will dominate the future.
-- Lowering health care costs that put American businesses at a competitive and price disadvantage.
-- Making sure our children have the education and our workers have the training and skills they need.
-- And lowering energy costs which burden businesses and consumers and creating half a million new jobs in renewable fuels to make America energy independent of Mideast oil in ten years.
When I googled "Kerry Platform" the first hit was this one:
Kerry Unveils One-Point Plan For Better America:
Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry outlined his one-point plan for a better America: the removal of George W. Bush from the White House. "If I am elected in November, no inner-city child will have to live in an America where George Bush is president," Kerry said, addressing a packed Maize High School auditorium. "No senior citizen will lie awake at night, worrying about whether George Bush is still the chief executive of this country. And no American—regardless of gender, regardless of class, regardless of race—will be represented by George Bush in the world community."...
But that disqualifies itself according to your discussion rules.
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Originally posted by Nash
You will get 65% Clinton, and 35% Bush Sr.
What percent Kerry? LOL.
What we will get is 100% George W Bush.
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Nice work Holden....
Pretend to answer Gunslinger's question by pasting a wall of nothingness, making it seem like there's nothing to the something.
But no... you were sincere... and this was the best representation of Kerry you came across. Chyaa...
It's pretty nifty the facade of non-biasedness some cling to. Pissed me off about Toad, for example.
I sure as hell am biased. I won't pretend to be otherwise. The attempts like the one ya just saw above is, I hope, not fooling anyone.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
But that disqualifies itself according to your discussion rules.
only because it's meaningless.
Paraphrase: If I'm elected George Bush will no longer be president
Means nothing to me as a voter.
As far as the other quote you posted those all sound like good things but I'd like to know how he's going to do it.
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oops, I guessed it worked afterall Holden.
too easy...
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Originally posted by Nash
Nice work Holden....
Pretend to answer Gunslinger's question by pasting a wall of nothingness, making it seem like there's nothing to the something.
But no... you were sincere... and this was the best representation of Kerry you came across. Chyaa...
It's pretty nifty the facade of non-biasedness some cling to. Pissed me off about Toad, for example.
I sure as hell am biased. I won't pretend to be otherwise. The attempts like the one ya just saw above is, I hope, not fooling anyone.
It was from Kerry's website: a direct quote from one of his speeches Nash, blame him.
The joke was from the Onion, and really was the first hit.
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Kerry will be a great president because he was great US senator!
Oh wait, thats not true..
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It was from Kerry's website Nash, blame him.
Real tough it would be to find some obtuse paragraph on the Bush website and present it as, like, some kind of concrete strategy, representative of his platform.
Who cares if it came from Kerry's website? There's gotta be 60 thousand words on it. You telling me it just so happened that you picked out a weak 60 words of it? And not intentionally so?
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I picked out a proposal to develop 10 million jobs and acheive energy independance, and that's weak?
As Kerry recently reiterated his support for going into Iraq, I figured the "It's the Economy, Stupid" strategy still had some tread left on the tires, especially since Bush's term had a net job loss.
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Originally posted by Nash
Real tough it would be to find some obtuse paragraph on the Bush website and present it as, like, some kind of concrete strategy, representative of his platform.
Who cares if it came from Kerry's website? There's gotta be 60 thousand words on it. You telling me it just so happened that you picked out a weak 60 words of it? And not intentionally so?
So it should be easy for a guy like you to tell us what Kerry stands for. It takes guys like you to tell us, because Kerry wont.
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the euros and canadians have an interest in a weak America.. they think that kerrie is the best shot at making Americans live in their socialist hell.
lazs
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Wow.....25 posts and still nobody can tell us what Kerry's stances are on the "isssues".
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Originally posted by lazs2
the euros and canadians have an interest in a weak America.. they think that kerrie is the best shot at making Americans live in their socialist hell.
lazs
is that why the only one in this thread defending herman can't even vote for him?? LOL
what does Kerry stand for?
simple sadly - he is not Bush ...
for the ignorant haters of this admin, that is enough
they would vote in Charlie Manson if they thought he'd win - and they care about the future of the country??? LOL
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Originally posted by Nash
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Mostly, he's just a smart, decent guy.
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Your implication is that Bush is not any of these.
Yale grad, Harvard Grad. Has religion in his life.
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Originally posted by Nash
I can understand how having stances that appeal to a majority of Americans may look like his stances are designed appeal to a majority of Americans.
But uh.... what exactly is wrong with advocating for the positions that that majority of Americans hold? Isn't he supposed to represent you? Isn't that the way democracy ideally should be?
Welcome to the fringe, Nuke.
Majority?
Are you useing agian? I hope not.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/407_1093362283_countymap.jpg)
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well it looks like my work here is done ;)
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Originally posted by JBA
Are you useing agian?
Wow, that really drives whatever point you're trying to make right home.
Nice map and all, but all those red spaces added up equals a minority of Americans. Of which you are one. Funny how that works, huh?
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Originally posted by Nash
Wow, that really drives whatever point you're trying to make right home.
Just concerned for you mental health, you have not been yourself lately. Your post have been angry and disconnected.
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Originally posted by NUKE
What we will get is 100% George W Bush.
This the same Bush that campaigned with a platform against "nation building", and a "uniter not a divider"?
pffft...
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Originally posted by Eagler
they would vote in Charlie Manson if they thought he'd win - and they care about the future of the country??? LOL
Relax ... Manson can't run for prez. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
"uniter not a divider"?
pffft...
This is an opinon, and is meaningless.
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Originally posted by JBA
Majority?
Are you useing agian? I hope not.
That little blue dot of Los Angeles County has more population than 90% of the states.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I think Gunslinger was looking for a more issue based response, something like this from the Democratic Platform:
We support expanding family and medical leave to help parents meet the growing challenge of balancing work and family responsibilities
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I'd like to see a party that say they DON'T support expanding family, etc, etc.
This is pure tripe. Just like saying that 'I'm the education candidate." Just who the hell is anti-education or anti-family?
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Originally posted by JBA
This is an opinon, and is meaningless.
You've just described 99% of this BBS. :aok
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Oh for cryin' out loud Nash, either state what Kerry stands for or shut up.
At least you are one up on Kerry. You're consistent.
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Sandman, I would say it is closer to 99.99999999%. I leave the 0.000000001 percent for potential error.
I would also say about 85% of the board likes to beat thier heads against the wall. Maybe more,..certainly not less.
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lol What a pig pile! Funny the mental power it takes to drag someone's past up.. gee how creative!! and witty too!! punks.....
What stance do you wanna know gunslinger? I mean do you wanna know what leg he stands on more when he urinates? How bout be abit more specific..You want his stance on world feelings toward america? How bout his stance on if he'd want to run up another trillion dollars of national debt? You wanna know about his stance on misleading the american public? Do you wanna know his stance on if he believes the government should be in the average american's bedroom/marriage alter? You curious in his stance on the seperation of church and state? How about his stance on cocain? How about his stance on DUIs? So many instances to stand on.. or sit.. Which one are you curious about?
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I once hit my head into the wall so hard I brained my damage.
-SW
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Originally posted by Apache
Oh for cryin' out loud Nash, either state what Kerry stands for or shut up.
I just don't know what you guys are looking for here.
You want to see "No nation building"? "Uniter and not Divider"? "Compassionate Conservative"? "No more fuzzy Math"?
What does any of that end up meaning?
I could say that Kerry is a champion of the middle class, not the elite. That he's for an America that is respected, not just feared.
That the kind of thing you're looking for?
How about, for example, that he will offer a fully refundable tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down; will lower family health premiums by up to $1,000 a year and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage; will put America on the path towards energy independence by investing in new technologies and alternative fuels and creating tax incentives that helps automakers produce more fuel efficient cars, blah blah blah blah blah.
This is all just ripped from Kerry's website... right there for anyone to go have a look at.
So y'all must not be talking about this when you say "what does he stand for?"
What do you want, exactly?
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Originally posted by Nash
I just don't know what you guys are looking for here.
It sounds as though they are not familiar with the internet.
OK everyone, move the pointy thing on your screen to the "link" below til it turns color and click the left button on your mouse. No, not the right button, the LEFT one. You may then read.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
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(skuzzy - a roll back of some of the Bush tax cuts, some juggling of paper, and cutting waste [25% of health care costs is admin, for eg.] would be my guess. I'm not sure they even know, specifically.)
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He stands for himself.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
IWhat does Kerry stand for?
Feet.
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Originally posted by Nash
I just don't know what you guys are looking for here.
You want to see "No nation building"? "Uniter and not Divider"? "Compassionate Conservative"? "No more fuzzy Math"?
What does any of that end up meaning?
I could say that Kerry is a champion of the middle class, not the elite. That he's for an America that is respected, not just feared.
That the kind of thing you're looking for?
How about, for example, that he will offer a fully refundable tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down; will lower family health premiums by up to $1,000 a year and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage; will put America on the path towards energy independence by investing in new technologies and alternative fuels and creating tax incentives that helps automakers produce more fuel efficient cars, blah blah blah blah blah.
This is all just ripped from Kerry's website... right there for anyone to go have a look at.
So y'all must not be talking about this when you say "what does he stand for?"
What do you want, exactly?
did he spew all this in the same week he stated about Bush:
"Just because you say it, doesn't mean
it will/has happened" - LOL
as often as the tard changes his mind/views on everything, how can you believe anything he says or that he will follow through on it???
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lol What a pig pile! Funny the mental power it takes to drag someone's past up.. gee how creative!! and witty too!! punks.....
What stance do you wanna know gunslinger? I mean do you wanna know what leg he stands on more when he urinates? How bout be abit more specific..You want his stance on world feelings toward america? How bout his stance on if he'd want to run up another trillion dollars of national debt? You wanna know about his stance on misleading the american public? Do you wanna know his stance on if he believes the government should be in the average american's bedroom/marriage alter? You curious in his stance on the seperation of church and state? How about his stance on cocain? How about his stance on DUIs? So many instances to stand on.. or sit.. Which one are you curious about?
Still nothing too say, All backhanded insults about Bush. Not one word about what Kerry stand for. Well done.:aok
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Originally posted by JBA
Still nothing too say, All backhanded insults about Bush. Not one word about what Kerry stand for. Well done.:aok
Bush? How'd you know I was referring to Bush? lmao :lol :lol Thats pretty damn laughable and disgusting at the same time when one thinks about it..
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What Kerry built his senate seat on.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/407_1093379911_newsoldierjfk.jpg)
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Originally posted by JBA
What Kerry built his senate seat on.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/407_1093379911_newsoldierjfk.jpg)
What Kerry built his POTUS run on.
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/supersoldier.jpg)
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wow. If you all think this is a troll you are sorely mistaken. It is completly Genuin....Other than a few most of the avid kerry supporters/bush haters on this board can not tell me one thing they really know about Kerry.
EDIT:
I cant wait to see Kerry debate Bush.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
"...most of the avid kerry supporters/bush haters on this board can not tell me one thing they really know about Kerry.
I know he writes poetry.
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Originally posted by Nash
I know he writes poetry.
as I said "Most" Nash is an exception to the rule. I betcha he can tell me boxers or briefs with absolute certainty ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
as I said "Most" Nash is an exception to the rule. I betcha he can tell me boxers or briefs with absolute certainty ;)
No way man. You remember what happened when Bush Sr. said he hated broccoli? Kerry is too smart to piss off the Fruit of the Loom guys. Prolly alternates.
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Debate, huh?
As long as Kerry doesn't sit there and sigh every time Bush speaks, ala Gore, then it might be interesting.
Hell, even Bush admitted that he wasn't as glib as Gore. People expected Bush to fall on his face. Was good planning for the Bush camp.
Let's admit a few things...
Bush isn't swauve. He isn't really dynamic. Neither is he a visionary. He just is. Predictable even. Not a bad thing, mind you. But he's not one to do anything revolutionary when it comes to politics and government. Note: The Iraq war does not count as 'revolutionary', it was a response to a stimuli.
OTOH, what is Kerry? That seems to be the question now doesn't it. Bush is a known and predictable. What does Kerry really have to offer. He's loquacious. He can charge Bush with a number of things including not being very imaginative nor bright. But what if 'ole GW decides to push John to the mat and question exactley what he is for and how he will accomplish those goals? Remember Kerry's list of foreigner that would like him in office? 'You can't see the list', says Kerry, 'but it certainly exists.'
I hope they debate. It might make people think about third parties.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Debate, huh?
As long as Kerry doesn't sit there and sigh every time Bush speaks, ala Gore, then it might be interesting.
Hell, even Bush admitted that he wasn't as glib as Gore. People expected Bush to fall on his face. Was good planning for the Bush camp.
Let's admit a few things...
Bush isn't swauve. He isn't really dynamic. Neither is he a visionary. He just is. Predictable even. Not a bad thing, mind you. But he's not one to do anything revolutionary when it comes to politics and government. Note: The Iraq war does not count as 'revolutionary', it was a response to a stimuli.
OTOH, what is Kerry? That seems to be the question now doesn't it. Bush is a known and predictable. What does Kerry really have to offer. He's loquacious. He can charge Bush with a number of things including not being very imaginative nor bright. But what if 'ole GW decides to push John to the mat and question exactley what he is for and how he will accomplish those goals? Remember Kerry's list of foreigner that would like him in office? 'You can't see the list', says Kerry, 'but it certainly exists.'
I hope they debate. It might make people think about third parties.
even Kerry admits Bush is a good debater and has never lost a debate. It will be interesting seeing a real kerry facing a real opponent.
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Almost as interesting as the debates will be the two weeks leading up to them where each side tries to manipulate expectations. "Oh, he will do poorly... Wow, he only slightly sucked! He Wins!"
Or the four-five weeks before even that, when the Bush team, after admitting defeat on their proposal for having no debates whatsoever, settles on one or two, with the rules being that they must both sit on seats so that Kerry doesn't get a height advantage, and that questions must be asked by a single moderator. Etc.
I love this chit. :D
This is gonna be fun to watch.
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Originally posted by Horn
It sounds as though they are not familiar with the internet.
OK everyone, move the pointy thing on your screen to the "link" below til it turns color and click the left button on your mouse. No, not the right button, the LEFT one. You may then read.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
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Horn Im going a step further to help them:)
John Kerry and John Edwards will stand up for America's values and have a plan to build an America that is strong at home and respected in the world. They believe we can have a strong economy focused on good-paying jobs, a health care plan that reduces costs, an energy plan that frees us from Mideast oil, and they believe we can strengthen our military and lead strong alliances that keep America safe and secure.
Learn more about John Kerry's agenda by following this link at which you can click on one of the following issues http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
Children & Families
Civil Rights
Economy
Education
Energy
Environment
Health Care
Homeland Security
National Security
National Service
Rural America
Science and Technology
Stronger Communities
Veterans
Women
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Sorry Silat that just won't do.
I quoted from Kerry's website and was told my argument was weak.
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in 20 years of Senate spweing, skerry has talked the talk but never walked the walk
he is the one who has stated "just saying it doesn't make it so"
he is the tard who changes his mind with the wind
between those two facts, how do you believe anything today he says that he'll do tomorrow?
"Now I know there are those who criticize me for seeing complexities – and I do.." LOL
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Sorry Silat that just won't do.
I quoted from Kerry's website and was told my argument was weak.
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The sheep hear what they want to hear and disreguard the facts.
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Originally posted by Silat
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The sheep hear what they want to hear and disreguard the facts.
not the sheep, the donkeys - LOL
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Originally posted by JBA
What Kerry built his senate seat on.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/407_1093379911_newsoldierjfk.jpg)
You know that book is out of print and although the publisher would like to reprint it (and make a few million off of it during the election year) Kerry refuses to allow a reprint, and has had campaign workers buying up copies found on ebay and in bookstores. So, to answer the question of this thread's subject...here is what John Kerry stands for (PDF versions of his book that made his political career):
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Inro.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier.pdf
http://nomayo.mu.nu/archives/New%20Soldier%20Epilogue.pdf
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kerrie stands for getting people out of suv's.... kerrie stands for 50 cents a gallon tax to be used by the government to fund some kind of effiecient government program to get us out of cars..
kerrie feels that it is time someone "stood up to the NRA" and got rid of those psky second amendment rights (except maybe shotguns in hunting clubs for the elite).
kerrie believes that socialism is good. His running mate is an ambulace chaser that is gonna help reform the health care system?
lazs
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Originally posted by sling322
Wow.....25 posts and still nobody can tell us what Kerry's stances are on the "isssues".
Don't sound so surprised.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sandman, I would say it is closer to 99.99999999%. I leave the 0.000000001 percent for potential error.
I would also say about 85% of the board likes to beat thier heads against the wall. Maybe more,..certainly not less.
Now THAT'S funny, I don't care who you are.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Nash
I could say that Kerry is a champion of the middle class, not the elite. That he's for an America that is respected, not just feared.
How about, for example, that he will offer a fully refundable tax credit on up to $4,000 of tuition for every year of college and offer aid to states that keep tuitions down; will lower family health premiums by up to $1,000 a year and use targeted tax cuts to extend affordable, high-quality coverage; will put America on the path towards energy independence by investing in new technologies and alternative fuels and creating tax incentives that helps automakers produce more fuel efficient cars, blah blah blah blah blah.
Kerry, born into wealth, married into wealth TWICE, owns multiple mansions, a jet, and a private yacht, is a champion of the middle class? Kerry, who is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, is a champion of the middle class?
Kerry, who met with leaders of Communist North Vietnam in Paris, during the war, while not representing the United States in any official or unofficial capacity, is for a respected America? Kerry, who has not had the intestinal fortitude to stick to one side of any issue he has ever made a statement on, is for a respected America?
Exactly how does Kerry intend to do all of those things he claims he will do, without a substantial increase in taxes, which middle class people cannot afford (and don't tell me he will tax the wealthy, the wealthy will always pass 90% of tax increases on), or increasing the nation debt substantially, which he complains Bush has already done? Who is it that is going to pay for all of that? Him? I doubt it. The wealthy? Not hardly. The working class? You're damned straight they will.
In twenty plus years as an elected representative on the Federal level Kerry has not written or sponsored or championed any substantial piece of legislation that anyone is aware of. Good or bad. If there was something good he'd done, he'd be screaming it at the top of his lungs. If there was something bad he'd done, the RNC would not let us forget it. You know what, the guy has done NOTHING. Except vote further to the left than ANY elected official on the Federal level, consistently. Now THAT is mainstream middle class America if I've ever heard it. :rolleyes:
If you like and want what Kerry stands for, import him to Canada and elect him Prime Minister.
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Originally posted by lazs2
kerrie stands for getting people out of suv's.... kerrie stands for 50 cents a gallon tax to be used by the government to fund some kind of effiecient government program to get us out of cars..
kerrie feels that it is time someone "stood up to the NRA" and got rid of those psky second amendment rights (except maybe shotguns in hunting clubs for the elite).
kerrie believes that socialism is good. His running mate is an ambulace chaser that is gonna help reform the health care system?
lazs
Nice summary. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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So many people buying into this bi-partisan BS. You really aren't voting on a president in the end, you are only voting for the president the people with money in each party want to be in power.
Arguing about who is better of the two worst possible candidates for presidency, like trying to find whats better in Stalin's communism or Hitler's fascism.
-SW
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Sandman, I would say it is closer to 99.99999999%. I leave the 0.000000001 percent for potential error.
I would also say about 85% of the board likes to beat thier heads against the wall. Maybe more,..certainly not less.
I was being generous. :)
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
here is what John Kerry stands for (PDF versions of his book that made his political career)
I just read through the book. I didn't see anything overly controversial in there or even over the top. The only thing I can see that might bite Kerry in the behind is in the epilogue. He explains there that the "New Soldier" cannot easily return to a normal life of joining veterans groups like the VFW; returning soldiers like himself have become radicalized and disassociated. Thirty years later he now makes every effort to associate himself with such veterans groups. This does not necessarily go against what he writes, and a lot can change in thirty years, but it certainly can give the appearance of hypocrisy.
Also, the survey results at the end of the epilogue are interesting if they're accurate.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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isn't that his middle name?
hypocrisy
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Originally posted by Eagler
isn't that his middle name?
hypocrisy
Bear in mind that I said it could give the appearance of hypocrisy. Really though, what he does today is not necessarily at odds with what he writes in the epilogue. If I remember correctly, he states that it would be difficult, but not impossible, for "New Soldiers" to assimilate into veterans groups like the VFW. He could simply state now that, over time, this assimilation and socialization process has occurred.
The appearance of hypocrisy, however, likely motivates Kerry to just nip this one in the bud. That's unfortunate.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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DMF... I believe you have hit on the gist of it out of all the rhetoric..
Wars change people... they radicalize and damage some and they humble some and give them perspective...
Some of how a former soldier turns out has to do with how much he had to see and endure and some has to do with personal strength or weakness.
I believe people like kerrie and mc cain are damaged goods.
I don't believe we want damaged goods in power.
lazs
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Don't sound so surprised.:rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2004/election_issues_guide/default.stm
Here it is. So simple even the rightwingnumbskulls will understand--oh, and the third guy? That's Nader.
h
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Plot thickens after checking records (http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html)
Admiral speaks out, disputes Kerry's account of 1st wound (http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-nws-novak27.html)
NEW YORK -- Retired Rear Adm. William L. Schachte Jr. said Thursday in his first on-the-record interview about the swift boat veterans dispute that "I was absolutely in the skimmer" in the early morning on Dec. 2, 1968, when Lt. (j.g.) John Kerry was involved in an incident that led to his first Purple Heart.
"Kerry nicked himself with a M-79 [grenade launcher]," Schachte said in a telephone interview from his home in Charleston, S.C. He said, "Kerry requested a Purple Heart."
LandSlide Bush!!!
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thanks horn...
It would appear that kerrie is for giving everyone health care and paying the military personell more money and better equiment and more of everything and he is aginst letting people decide how to spend their own money on schooling their kids and he is for setting up a huge burocracy of efficent and bright government people to study hydrogen fuel because private industry is too stoopid and wasteful to do it and..
he will also cut the deficit in half while funding all these programs and increase jobs (aparently all government jobs) and...
he will give even better tax breaks to the poor (do the poor pay taxes?) and the middle class and...
he will pay for all this by .....
higher taxes on the rich.
It all seems so logical and fair when it's laid out for ya..
oops... forgot... he is for letting the rest of the world decide what country should pay for every environmental theory that comes down the pike..... Wonder what country they will decide needs to pay for everything?
lazs
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Originally posted by Sandman
This the same Bush that campaigned with a platform against "nation building", and a "uniter not a divider"?
pffft...
The only folks that divide are the left....to listen to Kerry, you would think America is destitute and dying a slow and painful death. It's the same thing all over again....elect me and save America....please.
The left has always promoted class warfare....as if we all deserve the same lifestyle.....in this country you earn your living...your America is weak and socialistic.
Well....don't worry man....you live enough years, you'll see the ship go down....it's simply a matter of time before ignorance will breed what we deserve.