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Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Kev367th on August 24, 2004, 02:15:07 AM

RAF Northolt High Altitude Flight 1942

(http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/northolt.jpg)

Why for Rooks?
On Sep 12 flown by exiled Russian Prince Emanuel Galitzine, he intercepted a lone Ju88 at 40,000ft!!!!
I believe the highest ever enagement of the whole of WW2.

Still some things to finish but should be off to HT by end of week.
Where the hell does the exhaust stack color come from?

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Fruda on August 24, 2004, 09:19:07 AM

Since when was high altitude flight a bad thing?

I'm liking this skin.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Krusty on August 24, 2004, 10:01:51 AM

Negative. The highest combat of the war was at approximately 49,000 feet where a Ju-86P was intercepted on high-alt recon, and shot down by what I THINK was a high alt spitfire.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: OverBkil on August 24, 2004, 11:22:25 AM

"....While standard Allied fighters were unable to reach them the Ju 86Ps remained unscratched, but in August 1942 a stripped-down Spitfire Mk V caught a Ju 86P at 37000 ft over Egypt and after a chase to 42000 ft shot it down."

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Krusty on August 24, 2004, 01:04:25 PM

My source says differently, alt wise

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: mars01 on August 24, 2004, 01:27:51 PM

Only For Rooks LMFAOhahha :rofl

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Kev367th on August 24, 2004, 01:56:02 PM

Correction to my original, it was a Ju86p not Ju88 that he intercepted.
Alt was 43,000ft approx, had to convert from metres and hosed the conversion.
Was the highest interception over Britain.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Guppy35 on August 24, 2004, 07:09:22 PM

Actually a Ju86R that was misidentified as an 86P.

Alt was 44 thousand feet according to Galitzine's combat report.

The interceptions of the Ju86Ps in the Med by the modified Spit Vs were not quite that alt.  

The Galitzine flight is considered the highest combat to take place in WW2 and it was in the modfied Spit IX that Kev has done the skin for.

Dan/Slack

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Kev367th on August 29, 2004, 09:49:14 PM

Thought you might like an update Guppy.
Redone lots of it using new techniques.

(http://www.cyberonic.net/~kreed/northolt3.jpg)

Compare to earlier image, big difference.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: United on August 29, 2004, 09:57:40 PM

Looks a ton and a half better Kev.  I love the way you did the paint chips.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Krusty on August 30, 2004, 01:05:13 AM

According to Stewart Wilson in "Aircraft of WWII", it was 49,500 feet.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: glenmorangie on August 30, 2004, 07:08:52 AM

According to my Spit book, the high-alt Spit versions are Mk VI and Mk VII.  Those were PRU Blue and had the narrow Invasion Stripes.  I think the VI is pressurized and the VII is not, or vice versa.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Kev367th on August 30, 2004, 07:27:58 AM

Essentially you are correct glenmorangie.
This was a modified Spit 9 of RAF Northolts High Altitude Flight.
The overall PRU blue is the correct color for it.

The hi alt Spit 7s were medium sea grey over PRU blue undersides.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1093333285_spitvii.jpg)

Thanks to Guppy35 for profile.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Guppy35 on August 30, 2004, 12:07:04 PM

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Originally posted by glenmorangie
According to my Spit book, the high-alt Spit versions are Mk VI and Mk VII.  Those were PRU Blue and had the narrow Invasion Stripes.  I think the VI is pressurized and the VII is not, or vice versa.

Both the VI and VII were pressurized.  In the VI they actually had to have the canopy bolted on before take off, which didn't go over big with the pilots.

The VII had a sliding pressure hood.

The VI was in the standard camoflage as were the early VIIs but later the VIIs were given the medium sea gray over PR blue paint.  And even later some were given regular day camo as they were being used in a low alt role post D-Day.

The only surviving high alt Spit is the VII at the NASM painted in the camo it was delivered in which was the regular day camo.

The redo looks great Kev :)

Dan/Slack

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: lasersailor184 on August 30, 2004, 02:19:33 PM

Damn.  Now I'm curious to what the Ju86p looks like.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Guppy35 on August 30, 2004, 02:51:41 PM

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Damn.  Now I'm curious to what the Ju86p looks like.

Ask and you shall recieve :)

Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1093895460_ju86r.jpg)

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Krusty on August 30, 2004, 03:24:58 PM

I think your caption is wrong, however. They were photo recon birds. No bomb load. Thus they could not have "attacked" from 40,000 feet. Only intruded.

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Kev367th on August 30, 2004, 03:30:38 PM

Hmmmm, slight discrepency here somewhere.

Interviews with both pilots resulted in this -
The whatever it was German plane jettisoned his bombs.
Galitzia got one cannon round hit on its wing.
Combat reports state altitude was around 43000ft

Title: Rare Spit 9, just for the Rooks
Post by: Guppy35 on August 30, 2004, 03:37:37 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Kev367th
Hmmmm, slight discrepency here somewhere.

Interviews with both pilots resulted in this -
The whatever it was German plane jettisoned his bombs.
Galitzia got one cannon round hit on its wing.
Combat reports state altitude was around 43000ft

A few Ju 86R were converted to carry a single 550KG bomb.  On August 38, 1942 one of the Ju86Rs dropped it's bomb on Bristol, killing 48 people and injuring many others.

The pilot of the Ju86R on the flight were Galitzine intercepted it, was Horst Goetz, with observer Erich Sommer.

Goetz and Galtzine met after the war.  Goetz mentions jettisoning his bomb.  Galitzine in his combat report mentions the Ju86 jettisoning it's bomb as well.

Galitzine also specifically mentions being at 44,000 feet in the combat report.

Dan/Slack