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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: thebest1 on August 24, 2004, 11:47:33 AM
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This is a yak 9U that i made its modeled after this plane
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093365622_yak2.jpg)
Heres what i made so far, i still want to put some more detail into it and try to put that tiger on it. (im open for comments)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093365675_ahss180.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093365706_ahss181.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093365755_ahss182.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093365823_ahss184.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093365869_ahss185.jpg)
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light grey looks to dark imo.
other than that nice work!
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I have an update and any ideas for more detail??? cause i want to submit this!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093379228_ahss186.jpg)
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It needs panel Lines. It looks a little bit too clean as well. Maybe ad some weathering and exhaust?
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need to make it 1024 x 1024 to get it looked at for the MA
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I like it keep up the good work thebest1.
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I put some weathering and panal lines on i wanna make some more detail on the sides though.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093394469_ahss188.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093394500_ahss189.jpg)
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how do i get it to 1024 x 1024???
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The stars look a little blurry to me, maybe because it is a 256X256 skin? In Photoshop you just set it in the "canvas size" area. It will prolly look bad if you stretch it though, you may have to do much of the work over again after resizing it :(
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I stretched it i fixed it i made it better!!!!! LOOK AT THE STARS THEY RULE lol
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093408077_ahss190.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093408109_ahss192.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093408135_ahss193.jpg) ;) :lol
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Saweeet- Choice is good
Was there an all white yak? no wait, that was a 109. Not much of a history buff, were their many other yak paint schemes?
Anton
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OK, heres another update its now a 1024x1024. I'm still making more details, I made the tiger on it a higher quality, i made some of the panal lines thinner and i fixed the 36 and USSR markings. I still wanna fix up the wings.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093449147_ahss194.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093449186_ahss195.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093449226_ahss196.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093449276_ahss197.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093449326_ahss198.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093449363_ahss199.jpg)
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Nice job shayne!!!!
Finally got around to lookin at it :aok
Try to take BMP's dude, JPG's dont do it justice.
-Paul
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Do these rivits look good?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093468258_ahss200.jpg)
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Keep up the good work. I'm a big Yak fan and would love to see some different skins:D
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sense ur making the Yak9U ill start on a Yak9T heres what skin im ganna be workin on :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/505_1093515927_yak_9.jpg)
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Nice Job!
I like the effect.
A few points, for consideration...
The topside grays should probably be somewhat lighter.
There are no panel lines on the wings or aft fuselage. ( the airplane is covered in plywood on the -9U, and sanded smooth.
The -9P, post-war is metal. Earlier -9s have a fabric covered aft fuselage, a left over from the -7 series ).
The underside is that wierd Russian blue, not gray.
( see the museum photo you posted )
reference http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/
for a great deal of information, including color matching and camoflage in use at various periods.
Also,
Soviet Air Force Fighter Colours 1941-45 by Erik A. Pilawskii (© Author, 1994-2003, Classic Publications, Ltd.).
For a great deal more.
Many paintings, books and decal sheets have misinterpreted the colors, including the modern Russian museums. US Museums, excluding the Smithsonian, don't generally do any better on US aircraft, by the way.
Overall, I really like it... I've got 3 Yak-9s in progress, it's great to have more...
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Wait, the aft fuselage is to back part of the plane right??? And are you absolutally sure that the wings dont have panal lines because True Kills picture has them and i would think that the 9U would
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OK, i made the light grey/green lighter and i made the bottom a more blueish! let me know what you guys think and any other yak info would be greatly appreciated
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093556908_ahss205.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093556871_ahss203.jpg)
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Well it looks like he was right about the wood so all but the front of the fuselage so guess what my next update will look like!! LOL:D
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Thebest...
Man, the arguments I've had over correct colors!
I've seen good friends not talk to one another for a year after an argument about US Navy Sea Blue ( used on WWII carriers ).
The only thing you can rely on is a color chip from the best source you can find. How good are those? Use your best judgement, it's equal part fanaticism and art.
Color photos are no good and paintings are certainly no good for real accuracy. Add 'scale factor' ( the fact that colors look different on different size models ) and you've got a real mess!
Look at the paining of the 'Normandie-Niemen' -9T earlier in the thread. It comes from a model kit. Look at the rivets. Hm, no rivets on the real airplane, tail or wings. Accurate? Nope. Colors? Good question! Look at the VVS site at the really strange Yak-7 with the 3-color looping pattern and tell me definitively that this scheme is not possible. Ha!
For instance, the airplane below is drawn from the color chips I got from the VVS web site I recommended.
(http://members.cox.net/gunfighterp51/AHPics/Yak9post%2004.jpg)
(http://members.cox.net/gunfighterp51/AHPics/Yak9post%2005.jpg)
This is a documented camo scheme. Looks wierd, eh?
How about this one for wierd:
(http://members.cox.net/gunfighterp51/AHPics/Yak9loopspost.jpg)
Also a documented scheme with colors accurate from the chips...
Do your best research, go with your best guess and make one you like. I'm a fanatic model-builder with a predjudice for accuracy, but I can still appreciate good effort on the part of others.
Keep up the good work! Document well enough to get HTC to accept it, I'll guarantee I'll fly it...
Sometime in the next couple of days I'll scan some 3-view drawings to give you a guide, but I've got 3 sets of those that don't agree. I ultimately looked at photographs for a guide ( and to get a accurate count of rivets and Dzus fittings - the thingies that hold the cowlings on ). Accurate counts of rivets!?!? I *told* you I was a fanatic!
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hold on UR KIDDING ME rivit counts... people record this stuff? well u know your life has gone terribly wrong if your the "rivit counter" LOL thanx for ur help bro im deleting the tail rivits and the wing rivits right now! and If u come along any other yak sights i would love to see them and do the elevators have rivits????
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UPdate:
Fixed the panal lines on the fuselage
took panal lines and rivits off the aft and the wings (to make it look like wood)
fixed weathering mess up on wings (where the 2 camo colors meet)
I still need to fix some of the minor details on the wings and make everything nicer looking. Other than that the hard work is done!;) :p:lol
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093587144_ahss211.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093587116_ahss210.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093587078_ahss209.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093587049_ahss208.jpg)
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No rivets are visible. The rudder, ailerons and elevators are fabic covered. If you get a good photo you can see how to shade them.
My three sets of line-drawings all show different patterns... I took my best guess. The original skin does not match the line drawings, either and required some artistic license to get a fit.
I'll post the patterns later tonight when I get home.
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Updates:
More Detail
fixed the spots where the camo meets
fixed elevaters
Put kill stars on it
I still need to make the evelaters rudders and alerons fabric looking :p
Note: the exaust looks brighter because it is a glare*
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648595_ahss219.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648563_ahss218.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648525_ahss217.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648474_ahss216.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648434_ahss215.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648398_ahss214.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093648330_ahss213.jpg)
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See if these help.
(http://members.cox.net/gunfighterp51/AHPics/Top surface shading.jpg)
(http://members.cox.net/gunfighterp51/AHPics/Lower and side shading.jpg)
In PS6
Create a layer.
User the polygonal lasso to create areas for the fabric depressions. Save the mask, you may need it later.
Select a color slightly lighter and one slightly darker than the base color.
Set the airbrush tool to about 1/2 the size of the open area and about 30-50% density.
Airbrush the edges of the areas to provide shading.
Easy, Eh?
A couple of other observations. The Russians did not mark the upper sides of their aircraft.
I really like the shading you've done on the paint, the variations show up nicely and the nose-art is well done also.
Keep it up!
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Rgr ill use ur tips and um what did u mean by the markinh thre top is that the kill stars??? cause i found them on this plane
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093714149_yak_3.jpg)
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Not the fuselage markings, I was talking about the red star and '36' on the top surfaces.
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like on the wings and on the elevaters???
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OK heres my attempt at the fabric...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093789795_ahss231.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093789753_ahss230.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093789713_ahss229.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093789628_ahss228.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093789585_ahss227.jpg)
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I like the effect. More importantly, does it look real to you?
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Best, try this for a better view. Offgame, go on the runway and turn you aircraft either North or South. Then change the "time" ingame to 10:00 or 14:00 if you want a shot of the fuse AND wings. Set it for 8:30 or nine - 15:00 or 16:30 if you want a shot of the fuse.
Lightens stuff QUITE a bit and gives you a real good look at what you have painted. You can look at one side, rotate it around, change the time and look at the other.
...I can do it in my sleep :D
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Originally posted by glenmorangie
I like the effect. More importantly, does it look real to you?
does what look real the alerons and elevaters? the bottom looks to dark for me but i used ur templats so... but the alerons look good in my eyes but the elevaters need alil work. and ur sure that the planes didnt have the stars on the wings???
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I think the rivets should be a bit lighter... so they dont stand out as much.
my 2 cents....
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I've got bunches of photos - never seen anything on the upper surfaces.
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Third image down from the top...
Is that a freak tidal wave to take out a city?
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Contact Tilt.
He's the most reliable source on VVS aircraft in HTC forums. Let him check out on the skin, and listen to his comments after - that ensures sure success.
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Is this skin out for download yet?
I love the Yak..
Keep up the good work
Tex
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New Update:
Added rudder texture made scratches took out the star and 36 in the wings and made elevators/ alerons lighter
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093974601_ahss244.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093974573_ahss243.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093974544_ahss242.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1093974512_ahss236.jpg)
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Update:
-Made the bottom of the plane more "russian" blue.
-Added exhaust soot
-Fixed the stars and 36 for to scale
-added more weathering
Oh and i also was looking up info on the yak and found out that there really wasnt any certain color for certain squadron (like P51s)
Let me know what you think so far!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094171575_ahss245.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094171608_ahss246.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094171681_ahss247.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094171717_ahss248.jpg)
:eek:
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BTW thanks for that P51 template Cobra i used the exhaust off of it :)
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Great job!
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great work shayne:aok
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Hi The Best1
The yak pictured seems to be finished in a perfect rendition of colours used on Yaks produced from spring 44 onwards..........
Colours are dark Olive AMT12, grey AMT 11 and the std sky blue under belly AMT7.
We can see the exact camo in plan and both elevations on Page 183 fig 13 of "Soviet Airforce Fighter colours 1941 to 1945 /..Eric Pilawskii ISBN 1 903223 30 X"
It was the std instructed camo for all VVS single seat fighters although many "did their own thing in the field".
Panel lines can be seen on page 178.
I cannot find any reference to which VVS regiment Yak 9U White 36 was allocated although the tiger motiff does seem familiar and presently I cannot remember why.
HTC may request that the skin to reflect that used by a Yak 9U in a specific VVS regiment.
You may want to contact the museum and aske them why they chose white 36 and the tiger motiff.
Some detail stuff.
You seem to have removed all upper wing markings which is correct.
The tail star should be smaller (you can see this on the original aircraft you pictured.)
The top of the fuselage numeric is in line with the horizontal line of the star your numeric seems to be bigger and higher.
All Yak 9U's in action during late 44 were exclusively with 163 IAP which was with the 3rd air army over East Prussia and the Baltic States. However from Jan 45 the Yak9 U was being distributed widely to existing Yak regiments.
The type of script used for the numerics is not uncommon.
You may want to give some thought to drawing panel lines in a darkened version of the colour of the local camo with occasioinal lighter relief behind them to generate some paint wear. (but what do I know my art work sucks beside kweassa's)
If I come across direct references to this Tiger motiff I'll post it here.
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I was looking through Yak websights and found another yak with the 36 on it... take a look.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094311735_yakovlevyak9u_1_lrg.jpg)
but heres an attempt at weathering
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094312620_ahss251.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/663_1094312666_ahss250.jpg)
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TheBest1 id take a screen shot when u have texture size at 1024 give dat pic a clear img
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texture size is 1024 :rolleyes: mabey because its a .jpg???
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hmmmm that sucks go do some homework and find a better pic :)