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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on August 24, 2004, 02:52:14 PM
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Now than the "good ol days" in a lot of ways... In the old days... 450 HP was a motor that you could hardly drive on the street even on 97 octane... rear gears were 3.90 to 4.56 to get that killer acceleration and tires didn't bite very well..
now... 450 hp is childs play and you can idle in traffic all day with the AC on with a tank full of 91 octane piss.
6 speeds mean that you have 4.56 gears for the first four and then like 3.00's for 6th. Tires hook up and still ride well and go 20,000 miles (if you keep from smoking em too much) and... work good going around corners.
Brakes that were poor to decent are now excellent to... better than anything you can buy off the showroom floor from any country... same for handling.
good times to live in.
lazs
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Did you catch the "Hot Rod" marathon on Discovery this last weekend? Some beautiful cars and some incredible attention to detail.
The 'frame up' 56 Chevy from the junkyard was awesome.
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I watched that. Sweet cars.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Did you catch the "Hot Rod" marathon on Discovery this last weekend? Some beautiful cars and some incredible attention to detail.
The 'frame up' 56 Chevy from the junkyard was awesome.
i liked the black hot rod the younger guy built.
that older guy's "concept" or whatever i didn't like, nor his attitude too much like paul sr. on chopper (i can't stand him).
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I'm just now getting ready to start a frame-up restoration on a '64 Chevy Impala convertible. I hope to get started after I get back from Germany in October
I figure if I can get it complete in 5 years, I'm gonna be doing good. I'm getting a lot of pressure to keep it stock, but I don't think I'm going to.
Going to do the following (for starters)
replace 283 with 383 stroker (450 HP baby :D)
front/rear disk brakes
change from automatic to manual transmission
digital console
add power steering and brakes
I can hardly wait to get my hands dirty.
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I'm a firm believer in "doing what you want" with hot rods / classics. I've not seen a correlation between custom or original being more desireable on the resale market, so do what you want and if you go to sell it hope there's someone out there that liked what you did.
Modas...
I hate digital dash conversions. I haven't seen many that didn't look like total cheese. My cousin did it on his 57 and it was almost laughable.
Power steering and brakes is almost a must if you're going to drive it. I'd also recomend looking for some kind of decent rear disc brake kit. I'm not sure what the '64 used for it's steering, but I'd look into a rack and pinion steering setup if it doesn't already have one.
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Mini -
the digital conversion I was looking at was from Dakotadigital. They looked pretty nice, but at this point, I'm so far from needing that particular part, I'll probably change my mind 15 times before hand.
A project like this is a little daunting. But I have a good digital camera on order and I figure take pictures of everthing before, during and after disassembly, and hopefully I won't have to many parts left over after I'm all done. :D
Gonna be a fun project for sure.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Now than the "good ol days" in a lot of ways... In the old days... 450 HP was a motor that you could hardly drive on the street even on 97 octane... rear gears were 3.90 to 4.56 to get that killer acceleration and tires didn't bite very well..
now... 450 hp is childs play and you can idle in traffic all day with the AC on with a tank full of 91 octane piss.
6 speeds mean that you have 4.56 gears for the first four and then like 3.00's for 6th. Tires hook up and still ride well and go 20,000 miles (if you keep from smoking em too much) and... work good going around corners.
Brakes that were poor to decent are now excellent to... better than anything you can buy off the showroom floor from any country... same for handling.
good times to live in.
RightOn Laz...
The wife drives an '03 Mercury Marauder , and I drive an '02 Ford Lightning ......
We also have fond memories of one of our famiely buggys ...
a 1964 Dodge (factory aluminum front end) that was a 426 Hemi that eventualy wound up as a 486 Ci stroker motor . ran in the high 120's in the 10s ..... LOL car was a legal NHRA B/Gas ...
Those were fun days .....
CHECKERS
lazs
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I've got a 435 HP machine with a 3.9 rear end and plenty of traction. I "idle" at 65 MPH at about 1425 RPM and only about 7lbs turbo boost with up to 30 available. These ARE the good old days. :D
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tossing the idea of finding a 66 or 67 chevelle and blending the old with the new, thinking a 454, 780 cfm carb, with a modern 6 speed tranny, and some 17 - 18 inch wheels for grip. Something I can dig my teeth into.
Next spring doing some mods on my 2004 GTO
ported cylinder heads
Custom cam and push rods
New headers
2.5 inch exhaust
New Chip
4 inch intake
let alone new tires and rims, brakes and suspension.
should get a bit over 500 hp, and in the 11's with it
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Originally posted by JB73
i liked the black hot rod the younger guy built.
that older guy's "concept" or whatever i didn't like, nor his attitude too much like paul sr. on chopper (i can't stand him).
I liked the basic idea of the black hot rod, but the younger guy has a loooong way to go before he can get cocky about his work. I thought it was laughable that his rod couldn't run w/out dripping water, had to have the driver's hood propped open since it wouldn't close and the stops removed from the trunk since it wasn't adjusted right. Then he goes and wins best engine and best fit and finish. Shows you a lot about the judging right there....
Back on topic, you're soooo right Lazs. I started in muscle cars about 17 years ago. That was right before all the good stuff started hitting the market. The boom in the aftermarket has been sensational over the last 7 or 8 years. To be able to go down to your local dealership and pick up a 400 horse crate engine for around 5k would've been unthinkable even a decade ago. Now it's common place with the factories pushing the performance envelope farther and farther everyday.
Right now I have '68 and '70 Cougars that I'm building. My original thought was one for street, one for strip. After looking at all the stuff on the market now, there's no need to choose!! Both of them will end up being behemoth's that still ride like an old Cadillac. Incredible stuff for sure.....
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our boy ..RajnMAW has mnay a classic ride..he rebuilds thenhimself..
from what i have seen in pics sent thru squad email..he is very good..he lives in alaska..hopefully heel post soem pics in here..
he just got thru soem heart surgey stuff so he a bit whinny right now..lolol
Love
BiGB
xoxo
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Originally posted by Maverick
I've got a 435 HP machine with a 3.9 rear end and plenty of traction. I "idle" at 65 MPH at about 1425 RPM and only about 7lbs turbo boost with up to 30 available. These ARE the good old days. :D
Ah.... Diesel, eh Mav?
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Yep and a nice autoshift 10 speed. :D
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Originally posted by narsus
tossing the idea of finding a 66 or 67 chevelle and blending the old with the new, thinking a 454, 780 cfm carb, with a modern 6 speed tranny, and some 17 - 18 inch wheels for grip. Something I can dig my teeth into.
I know a guy that has a 66 with about 34,000 original miles. The paint is thin from being 40 years old, but the car is in incredible condition. I believe he's still trying to sell it for $10k or so. It's always nice to start with a mint body and interior... especially if you're planning on dropping an engine in anyways.
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(ducking into this thread for a sec to ask a stupid question then out.... and since you're car people....)
Thars supposed to be a new car made by Toyota... Kinda boxy looking... and the idea is that you can basically make the thing to order, picking the paint, interior, lostsa stuff else.
I couldn't find it on the Toyota website... so maybe it isn't Toyota that makes it? Anyone know?
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Looking this one drooling ... go figure (http://www.chrysler.com/300/300c.html?context=300-index&type=promo)
450HP ain't squat nowadays, any other maker is hatching one.
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maveric... yep.. started to realize how sophisticated things were getting with my 90 mustang... here was a car that would run low 14's stock with a five speed and still do 140 mph and idle all day in traffic with the air conditioner on and... you could hear the stereo.
It changed the way I felt about Hot Rods.
Plus.. it's easier... 450 HP is nothing,,, you can order 450 to 1500 hp delivered in a crate turnkey. 6 speeds and huge disck brakes and truck bar setups and Corvette suspensions... lotta cool stuff out there..
Or... you can go retro and have just as much fun in a car that rattles and shakes and makes cool noises and is in primer.
I like both styles.
lazs
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Nash, Im pretty sure your lookin for Scion, They mak a square box, a round box, & just released a average looking passenger car. I'm not a fan of them but apparently the attraction is just what you mentioned, customizing from the dealer or factory. Its my understanding you can pick evrything from engine mods to interior customizations for pick-up from show-room floor. I have heard that the passenger car model has some pretty serious upgrades & is rumored to be faster than comparibley aftermarket equiped Civic.
I used to have a 76 silverado shortbed lowrider with many mods, but then I put 22"polished aluminum shoes w/ Pirelli Scorp Zero laces on it. Back to stock heght without touching suspension at all:D .
Nice to approach driveways normal again. Lot more looks now when I slow down enuff for people to see.
Anton
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Originally posted by anton
Nash, Im pretty sure your lookin for Scion
That's it - Thanks!
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Coolest Hot Rod EVAR (http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-1955-Buick-Roadmaster-Jay-Leno.htm)
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funked yep, it is one of many "coolest Hot Rods"... I like that viper powered 68 charger and the 54 vette with all modern vette running gear and some of primered out rat rods and...oh hell.... a bunch of em..
not fond of the billet and plastic pretend old cars tho.
lazs
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That Roadmaster is beautiful. Where can you buy tires that have actual whitewalls like that? And what do they cost? And can you get them in "normal" sizes for a mondern car?
I like whitewalls. And chrome too but that's a lot harder to add to a car than a new set of tires.
J_A_B
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They made their own whitewalls. The black part inside the white part is actually part of the wheel, painted black.
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When my '69 Delta 88 is no longer driveable, I'm gonna hold on to the engine, a .455 Rocket V8. That would make a good hot rod engine. Not in the crate motor class though. Will probably keep it as a replacement engine for the 98, or maybe even another Delta 88. My dream car is the Delta 88 convertible, though convertibles aren't the most durable or practicle. They sure look good.
However, a 1973 Olds 98 would be cool with one of those crate engines in it. That is a big car. More low rider category than hot rod. I'd keep it stock on the outside and original interior. Only difference would be the engine.
Les
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Hey mini
if you could get me a bit more info on the 66 chevelle that would be great.
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anyone see that show last night on Hot Rod week, talking about having $350,000 into a car, and some car that had 1200Hp
talk about high tech tuning, and that vette the tuner drove.
seemed pretty cool to watch
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Originally posted by lazs2
funked yep, it is one of many "coolest Hot Rods"... I like that viper powered 68 charger and the 54 vette with all modern vette running gear and some of primered out rat rods and...oh hell.... a bunch of em..
not fond of the billet and plastic pretend old cars tho.
lazs
You're not out of the ordinary, Lazs. About 25% of Americans are distrustful of change, any change from technology, to Gov't, to automobiles, regardless if the facts prove that todays Hot Rod is superior to yesteryears. In 2040, there will be another "Lazs" saying how the 2004 hot rods were superior to the 2040 models.
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Originally posted by narsus
Hey mini
if you could get me a bit more info on the 66 chevelle that would be great.
e-mail me at david.staines@intel.com and I can give you a contact name and number. I just spoke with Mike to confirm some things:
74k original miles (Dunno why I remembered 34k)
1 owner
All original and fully loaded
283 in it now
Never driven in the rain.
The owner (his father-in-law) died in 2001 and he has been trying to sell this for his mother-in-law. The car has won first in several car shows, but does need new paint since the current paint is 40 years old and thin from waxing. It still looks incredible though.
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Huh? Didn't I just say that I liked all the new tech? I like both but I like the new cam profiles and metulurgy that allows blown crate motors with 1200 streetable HP. I like the fact that I can build a car in the garage that will blow the doors off your BMW in every aspect. 6 speeds and willwood or bauer brakes bulletproof parts.
I like both the new and the old.... I think you are confusing the fact that I don't want a factory car with not likeing modern tech.. Or maybe it was the "billet and plasic" comment? No... I think billet is useless jewelry and I don't want a plastic copy of something old.
Unlike yourself... I would like a little more input than choosing the paint color.
lazs
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Yes, it was the plastic comment. ;)
Lazs, my Bimmer is a commuting car...not a sports car, not a hot rod...its for COMMUTING! (30 mpg hwy, 27 city) So I agree with you 100%! My grandmother could build a faster, better hotrod! ;)
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rip.. I simply don't like a plastic replica of a real car. I don't like useless billet stuff. I don't like the manufactured Hot Rods or the people who buy em. 32 Fords made of plastic with automatic transmissions in em? Why stop at having someone build the car for you? Why not pay some kid with a good left leg to drive it for you too?
lazs
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email sent mini
would debate this engine
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/crate_engines_intro.html
also is it a stick or auto
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Originally posted by lazs2
rip.. I simply don't like a plastic replica of a real car. I don't like useless billet stuff. I don't like the manufactured Hot Rods or the people who buy em. 32 Fords made of plastic with automatic transmissions in em? Why stop at having someone build the car for you? Why not pay some kid with a good left leg to drive it for you too?
lazs
Sorry, my misinterpretation of your above posts, I thought you were talking about todays modern muscle cars...the plastic is to make them lighter, and less prone to corrosion.
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Originally posted by Mini D
74k original miles (Dunno why I remembered 34k)
1 owner
All original and fully loaded
283 in it now
Never driven in the rain.
The owner (his father-in-law) died in 2001 and he has been trying to sell this for his mother-in-law. The car has won first in several car shows, but does need new paint since the current paint is 40 years old and thin from waxing. It still looks incredible though.
If you're looking for a car to do some heavy mods to, I would really suggest looking for a different one. There are plenty of good Chevelle bodies out that there that you would be able to work over for a lot less cash. I have no problem taking a beat up or incomplete car and doing what you want, but taking a low mile near mint '66 and working it over just feels so very wrong.
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the nice thing about getting a car in good condition is that i do not have to pay thousands to get in good condition.
Watch the barrett jackson auto shows half those cars are not near original and often heavily modified, and they often sell for much more than originals.
The point of muscle cars is to change them and get them more power.
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Lazs, I was thinking of putting an after market air intake on my Honda Civic. The brochure says it'll add 20 HP, an increase of 40%....
Whadda ya think? :)
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Whaaa....! No pics yet?!? C'mon guys, I need visual aids;)
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Laz, I been looking at a 32 Ford Duece to build. Found a company that does steel stampings of the body and a trifold frame for it.
They even have the optional steel fenders/running boards, full beads on the edges.
Damn thing looks like it rolled off the Ford factory line, except for the 2 1/2" drop chop top. It's got my itch going to build a street car. Been a long time since I have done that.
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Originally posted by narsus
the nice thing about getting a car in good condition is that i do not have to pay thousands to get in good condition.
Watch the barrett jackson auto shows half those cars are not near original and often heavily modified, and they often sell for much more than originals.
The point of muscle cars is to change them and get them more power.
Getting a car in good condition doesn't have to mean a low mileage one owner numbers matching original car. If you're planning on replacing the engine and modernizing the suspension and interior all you really need is a good body and frame, right?
Here's a few that I found in a few minutes of searching:
http://www.dealsonwheels.com/search/detailbig.cfm/Autos__ID/208397
http://www.dealsonwheels.com/search/detailbig.cfm/Autos__ID/103221
You don't have to buy a rust bucket, just a car that's in good shape and has only the parts you need. Why buy a "survivor" type car only to tear out all the parts that make it unique?
Cougar
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Originally posted by narsus
Watch the barrett jackson auto shows half those cars are not near original and often heavily modified, and they often sell for much more than originals.
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As for Barrett Jackson, if you watch closely the all original numbers matching cars will almost ALWAYS sell for a significantly higher price than a modified version of the same car. Exceptions happen, but for the most part collectors are looking for original pieces and not someone's interpretation of it. But IMO car collecting is stupid. They're made to drive. To have an ultra rare performance car spend it's remaining days in a garage is a sin to me. For me it is more about preserving a piece of history.
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Yeah, exceptions like this car that was built up the road from us here. http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=175984 How many '55's bring 227 grand? :) That's insane. Although I hear tell it's an awesome ride. Don't knock car collectors too much. If all 30-40 fords were "driven" from when they were new, there wouldn't be anything worth building today. Thanks to car collectors we're all surprised by virgin cars that appear occasionally that nobody even knew about.
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I've said it before and will say it again... there's no direct correlation between either modified or all original cars fetching higher resale prices. It's simply a matter of finding people that love what you did enough to fight over it... or love the original enough to fight over it. If that doesn't happen, you're not going to get much for the car.
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In '77 my father and I did a ground up restoration of a '55 Chevy convertible. We drove it all the time. He sold it in '00 or '01 for about $30k. At the time we bought it, it was rusted on the quarter panels, above the headlights, etc. I think we bought for about $5k, and I know we spent more than $30k over the years on it, but it was a fun project for us. He had an extra engine, set off chrome bumbers and other body parts thrown in as well.
During that time, we wanted to do the whole Classic Chevy era. We found a bunch of '57's, but not alot of '56's out there. In any case, since we couldn't find what we liked or wanted, we never did get the set done.
Now, I've got a '66 Mustang Convertible, 289, Pony Seats, all original, that I drive alot as well, although I need to do some front end and tranny work on it now. My wife thinks it doesn't need to be taking up space in the garage, and that's how we were able to buy the '55.
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Cougar
Then feel free to give me money so i can get it in prestine condition, like removal of rust, dents, paint job etc. I will gladly except donations. :) Time and money are two very limiting factors for me, buying something at a good price and as close to what i want as possible makes more sense wouldn't you agree.
66 chevelles are not that uncommon, and resale value doesn't really mean much to me. I want something I will enjoy, what others enjoy also doesnt mean much to me.
I see your point of course, but I don't have the time...nor the money to work with almost nothing to start.
Also if it is fully complete when i buy I can make changes and still be able to drive it. If I get just a shell I will need to wait considerably longer and finish it to be able to enjoy driving it. Life is too short to wait for crap to get done.
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Stringer, if you go rooting around for parts for that Mustang, look for 66 Falcon Station Wagon parts. Cheaper and they are exactly the same.
Which transmission? 3 or 4 speed, or the automatic? The 3 speed is directly from the 66 Ranchero (no synchro in first). The 4 speed is Mustang only. The automatic is from the 66 Falcon station wagon.
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Originally posted by narsus
Cougar
Then feel free to give me money so i can get it in prestine condition, like removal of rust, dents, paint job etc. I will gladly except donations. :)
If you start with a $3k shell that leaves $7k left over for any immediate work. You can get a LOT of body work done for seven grand.
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Actually, when it comes to an empty shell, 7 grand is what the body work is going to cost you. Then... you're going to have to start paying to put everything back together.
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If you buy a shell that needs $7k worth of body work you should have your head examined. Basic body work and paint should be around $2k unless you're willing to do a bunch of the work yourself.
As for paying to put it all together, forget about it. Half the fun of firing up your car for the first time is knowing all the work YOU had to put in it to get there. Shop built rods are nothing but overpriced status symbols.
Cougar
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Shop built? We were talking about original.
And 2k barely covers paintwork, much less all the prep required for an off-frame restoration. Then, once again, you have to completely rebuild the entire car. And remember... you're the one that brought cost into this.
You'd be hard pressed to do a frame off complete restoration on the body/interior of a car to get it in as good of condition as a well maintained car in original condition for less than $10k... much less 7k. Comparing based on price is pretty rediculous since there really isn't a comparison.
MiniD
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Althoug the newer "Muscle cars" are far superior in technology and stuff, you can't beat that nostalgic feel of the original muscle cars. I have a 65 hardtop GTO i drive everyday and try to keep it as close to original as I can.
I also have a 65 rag I'm restoring and I think I will go down a completely different path and customize the crap out of this. Yes they pop, smoke, have a hard ride, leak oil, over heat in bumper to bumper traffic, But there is that "feel" that is unique. Harley riders can back me up here! I would like Disc brakes, LED dash, custom grille. I think I will paint this a copper metal flake and I have a coater and will do alot of the trim in 24 carrot gold plating and Blackened silver. WOOLEY BOOLEY!!!!!! wooley booley...
I see "ricers" all day every day very few turn heads, Now a 65' Goat ( or insert your favorite muscle car) That turns heads, gets thumbs up, and have people stopping and conversing with you. Telling you everything from their Dad had one, they had one, they got laid in one, etc, etc, .
I like some of the "Old meets new" Pontiac screwed the pooch on the GTO, Chrysler seams headed in the right direction.
NUTTZ
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Mini D, I think we're talking about two different things. I'm not talking about buying a shell to bring back to an original restoration. I'm talking about buying a shell (or nearly a shell) for a restomod project. Instead of having a car that you pull the interior/engine/suspension out of to upgrade, buy one that is already missing those items. Saves cash and a lot of extra work.
Cougar
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Engine/tranny - no. Interior yes.
The basic point at which you entered was to dispute whether purchasing a car in pristine condition for 10k and then swapping out the engine/tranny/driveline was worth it or not. If you want a car that is in pristine condition when you are done... it is. You simply cannot start with anything else and get it to the same state for anywhere near the cost.
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Skuzzy... I have seen some of the repo metal duece bodies... they are perfect. I can't afford one. I would much rather start with one of em tho than some bullet riddled hulk.
I started with a straight body on my ElCamino.. I wanted a good bodyu and straight frame and rust free car... That was about all I got.. I think I have replaced every other part by now.
lazs
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Yeah but the bullet riddled hulk is worth big money when finished. ;) Dad just got some repo partial door skins in for his 34 cabriolet. 400 bucks a piece.:eek:
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So he's starting back up on the roadster again? Post pics when you get some.
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(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/mvc-105s.jpg)
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BTW... I totally agree lazs. My thing has been wanting to get a Cobra 427SC. I cannot afford $250k for a car, so repro is my only choice. Every time I look at a fiberglass Cobra, I always walk away shaking my head. Fortunatly, there's a couple of companies that are working with alluminum bodies for them again... and I'm about to get interested (at least have the money) in about 3 years... so the research is starting back up.
MiniD
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Are you guys fabricating the rear deck lid? You rolled those edges at the shop?
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Uncle's '57, ground up restoration, hasnt quite finished it yet.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/95_1093530824_57.jpg)
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61 pro-street falcon sittin in the garage...traded a 74 chevy shortbed pro-street pick up for it and a cherry 87 f-150....not bad 2 fords for 1 chevy....
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Precisely laz. A good body and a straight frame goes a long ways to reducing the frustration with a frame-up build.
hblair, for me, it's not about what the car is worth when I am done, as I intend to keep it. The worth for me is the effort to bring a classic shape to life. Your cannot put a tag on that.
Mini, I agree about the 427SC. I would rather build that then anything else, but good body/frames are just not there yet. They are getting close though.
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Damn... just stoppedy by http://www.carrollshelby.com and don't see any mention of them making the alluminum cobras anymore. Nothing about that other alluminum sports car they used to make. I'll have to search a bit more.
Ah... found it: http://www.shelbyamerican.com/
Unfortunately, they only seem to be turnkey these days. I'll have to look around a bit more.
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Finally, some pics:D Thanks Schizer!
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Skuzzy,
I will. My Mustang is an automatic.
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skuzzy... I agree, it is not what the car is worth because I will keep it till it's not worth anything anyway... I built it for me not for the equity.
As for the 427 cobra... yep.. allways wanted one but I built a chevy powered Healey decades ago as the next best thing and really enjoy it.
lazs
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Healeys are fun. I figure if I cannot come up with a good SC body/frame, I might try a Sunbeam out. Drop a small block in it and have some fun.
The Duece is sure a sweet looking ride though. Expensive to do right, for sure, but imagine the grins from the driver. :D
I have some friends that do restoration work. This one guys has just about finished a Woody. He hand cut and shaped all the wood and it is simply incredible. He says it is not going to be worth much (that being a relative term) as it is going to look too good.
The cars he has sitting around to restore are amazing.
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There's no car i ever owned or worked on that I didn't get tired of eventually. I never have fallen head over heals in love with any particular make. Even 32 34 and 35 ford street rods etc. that I've sanded til my fingers bled. Even my redneck racer will be eventually sold. And I intend to make some money on it too. :)
which reminds me, anybody want an '03 dodge truck? I'll sell it to you right. freakin gas hog
(http://www.cybrtyme.com/personal/hblair/mvc-021s.jpg)
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missed your question mini-d. No, those aren't our edges, but we'll have to fix 'em :)
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Originally posted by Cougar68
If you buy a shell that needs $7k worth of body work you should have your head examined. Basic body work and paint should be around $2k unless you're willing to do a bunch of the work yourself.
As for paying to put it all together, forget about it. Half the fun of firing up your car for the first time is knowing all the work YOU had to put in it to get there. Shop built rods are nothing but overpriced status symbols.
Cougar
When you dealing with cars that cost in the 100 thousand dollar+ range, 7 grand is nothing.
Those cars you see them "slap" together on TV, Boyd's for one, cost more than most make in a year. And they are absolutly one of a kind cars. So again, seven thousand for the body is next to penuts when compared to the bigger picture of what those cars cost and what goes into creating them.
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Ummm, not talking about custom built designer street rods here. Just a backyard built muscle car.
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2k will almost cover painting a car withvery little body work to be done. The last "frame-off" type deal we did was on a 70 cougar convertible for a local ford dealer. We took the front end apart, doors off and apart, roof out of the way, interior out, bumpers off etc. We butt welded the patch panels in the doors and quarters. Got the metal real close, used very little filler in the whole car. Sprayed about 3 coats of clear on it, then BLOCK sanded the clear out in the open flat areas, then re-cleared it. Then color sanded it again. This car was ripple free. None of the coarse"urethane" ripples you see in most re-paints . I mean a fly would bust his arse if he tried landing on this thing. It was about 12-15 grand for the body and paint work. It could be done for less money, but 2 grand is on the low end.
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HBlair,
Have you finished Classy Man's Beeeeemer yet?
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hblair... I have sold about everything too... I have kept the Healey for 30 years cause it didn't take up much space I guess and... nothing else like it. Got rid of a 59 vette I wish I woulda kept. got rid of dozens of tri five chevy's and chevelles and el caminos...
Allways lose money on cars. or, allmost allways. I beat the crap outta em.
lazs
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Good to know that things are improving in the US auto industry. But it will never hold a candle to Germany. I always remember in America's era of little sawn off Cadillacs how rack and pinion steering was being hailed as the best thing since sliced bread, but had existed on Euro models since around WW2. :lol
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beetle... you know even less about Hot Rods than you do about guns.... if that is even possible. Maybe you math wizzards out there can tell me of a number less than zero?
lazs
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Wow... that was pretty weak beetle. Even for you.
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... you know even less about Hot Rods than you do about guns.... if that is even possible. Maybe you math wizzards out there can tell me of a number less than zero?
lazs
Laz,
I believe the term you are looking for IS "beet1e".
;)
For some reason he has inexplicably begun to think trolling has worth and hasn't "grown up" out of that frame of mind yet.