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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on August 26, 2004, 09:03:41 AM
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This setup is a time advance from the current to August 1943.
Allies
A-20G
B-26
B-17
Lancaster
Mosquito Mk VI
C-47
P-47D-11
Spitfire IX
Typhoon
M Series
Panzer
Ostie
Axis
Ju-88
Ju-87
Ju-52(C-47)
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 110G-2
C 205 (* exchange squad)
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190F-8
Tiger (France only)
Panzer
M Series
Ostie
All Ports
LVT's
PT Boats
- no B-17 or Lancaster due to lack of heavy German bombers.
- C205's replace the 202's.
- No CV's
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You might could add the lanc Fork if you were so inclined
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Why no Hurri IIC? i think adding the b17 would benefit gameplay, it doesnt have the same porkability as the lanc and would add to immersion for the LW pilots.
axis not have goon?
other than that, really nice setup :)
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Originally posted by Furball
Why no Hurri IIC? i think adding the b17 would benefit gameplay, it doesnt have the same porkability as the lanc and would add to immersion for the LW pilots.
axis not have goon?
other than that, really nice setup :)
I think the HurriIIc is way outclassed now and few flew it, But if Fork wanted to add it there wouldn't be any whines.
I like Buffs, they make a nice explosion eg. the more the merrier.
I think the Axis have the goon we would capture England and make you sods drink good beer. :D
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Valid points guys. I've added the Lanc and B-17 plus C-47 for Axis.
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Poor Allies get downgraded to the Spit 9 from the Uber Spit 5. ;)
On a serious note, I'd call the Ju88 a heavy bomber, maybe add the B-17's only as singles? The LW has planes with enough guns to take down B-17's fairly easily. It doesnt really matter to me, as long as I've got the P-47D-11 or the 190A-5 I'm happy.
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Well given that we have the Ju87 and 109F, why not have the Hurri IIC?
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Originally posted by Grits
On a serious note, I'd call the Ju88 a heavy bomber
its a medium bomber
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Lancs go down a lot easier than Ju88's do, so even though they were a medium bomber they are heavy enough to offset Allied heavys IMO.
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you still got to face the facts on what makes a heavy bomber a heavy bomber. Range is the factor which the Ju88 lacks in.
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Buffs only make one way trips, so range isnt an issue. :)
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I would guess classification of a heavy bomber is quite dependant on its max takeoff weight (duh;)) (rough guide, taken from sources on web): -
Ju88A-4 = 31,000lb
Lancaster B.III = 68,000 lb
Boeing B17G = 65,000 lb
The fact that the Ju88A-4 can carry 6,000lb or so of bombs puts it on par with the B17G in AH.
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Also why do the Axis get Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2 and Bf 109G-6. When the RAF only get Spit IX? and not Spit V too? Spit V were still used in 1943.
Axis get choice from 7 fighters (Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2, Bf 109G-6, Bf 110G-2, C 205, Fw 190A-5, Fw 190F-8) allies get choice of 4 (Mosquito Mk VI P-47D-11 Spitfire IX Typhoon)
And before you call me a spitdweeb or whatever, im quite happy to fly as either axis or allied. ;)
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because I hate spitfires.
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Originally posted by Furball
Also why do the Axis get Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2 and Bf 109G-6. When the RAF only get Spit IX? and not Spit V too? Spit V were still used in 1943.
Axis get choice from 7 fighters (Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2, Bf 109G-6, Bf 110G-2, C 205, Fw 190A-5, Fw 190F-8) allies get choice of 4 (Mosquito Mk VI P-47D-11 Spitfire IX Typhoon)
And before you call me a spitdweeb or whatever, im quite happy to fly as either axis or allied. ;)
To quote Mr. Marley in his classic "No woman no cry" wouldn't be considered flaming would it?
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Originally posted by Furball
Also why do the Axis get Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2 and Bf 109G-6. When the RAF only get Spit IX? and not Spit V too? Spit V were still used in 1943.
Axis get choice from 7 fighters (Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2, Bf 109G-6, Bf 110G-2, C 205, Fw 190A-5, Fw 190F-8) allies get choice of 4 (Mosquito Mk VI P-47D-11 Spitfire IX Typhoon)
And before you call me a spitdweeb or whatever, im quite happy to fly as either axis or allied. ;)
Maybe so that axis side has some chance in mixed fight?
With Spit V and Hurri 2C alongside Typh and D11 in there the allies could bring by far the both the fastest and best turning planes to any fight.
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Looks like a fine setup to me, both sides have some very good rides. I dont see either side with a crutch. Fly them to their strengths. The Spit V was available 43 but I see that as a design call, its not really required.
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Looks good to me too, although I would drop the b17 just for variety. Love the lanc, and would love to see the lufties get a chance to shoot at it.
By the way. What is this wussy fuel consumption going on right now?
CAN I SUGGEST!!!!
that you change the fuel modifier to accurately protray the real bomber range? So in this setup, if the lanc were hauling a cookie and the rest of its heavy load all the way to its furthest 1943 target (berlin?) how much fuel did it take to land with a reasonable tank left (e.g. 100 gallons)?
Please find out and make it match.
Why? Cause that could give us a little taste of what real historical accuracy would be.
AND! it will get rid of buffs leaving with 25% fuel and climbing like slug banshees.
AND! make sure your estimates are done at real throttle settings, not full bore all the way to berlin. I want climb on full throttle, level at 25k and then normal or cruise to berlin, then back on normal or cruise to land in england. Set your fuel modifier on that, and lets see what happens.
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Double check for me. Is this correct?:
http://www.jollyrogers.info/Combat_Theater.html
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Originally posted by ergRTC
By the way. What is this wussy fuel consumption going on right now?
I think this map is 1:1 so a 1.0 burn rate is the real burn rate, but I'm not positive about that. I do agree with you though, I would put burn at 1.5 minimum and probably around 1.7.
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The map must be less then 1:1 ... a 109 on full fuel can climb to 30k and loiter over London for hours with no drop tank.
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IIRC the narrowest point between England and France is 33 miles the map is slightly off with distances and other realities being sacrificed for game play. Taking off from a coastal base and flying across the channel would not take that much fuel. furthermore with a full fuel and a drop tank at 75% the 109 is getting 127 minutes of flight time. That's close enough for me and it's also long enough for me. I have never yet flown as far North as London and never will. The ack engaging and killing a single fighter or two fighters dictates that we will never "experience realism" in this or any other game
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Originally posted by Furball
Ju88A-4 = 31,000lb
Lancaster B.III = 68,000 lb
Boeing B17G = 65,000 lb
no boober dweeb will fly the lanc if the b17 is available
get rid of the b17 ack star or disable its formation option
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no 109 had a time in flight of 127 minutes at full throttle.
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I would also like to see the b17 gone, maybe for just the first half of the week.
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It is only 23 miles from Dover to Calais. In the BoB forums they said the map was 1:1, but thats the only place I have seen that.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
no 109 had a time in flight of 127 minutes at full throttle.
75% throttle
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Ahh!
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Btw, any chance of getting our limited icons back for this setup?
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Originally posted by Furball
Also why do the Axis get Bf 109F-4, Bf 109G-2 and Bf 109G-6. When the RAF only get Spit IX? and not Spit V too? Spit V were still used in 1943.
Hmmm, Allied loses spit V and HurriII, Axis don't lose 109F4...
well it is Forks set up:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by tzr
Hmmm, Allied loses spit V and HurriII, Axis don't lose 109F4...
well it is Forks set up:rolleyes:
whine all you want. allies get the jug, typh and a bunch of other superior planes to the F4, so you can go cry else where.
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a bunch of other superior planes to the F4,
Name them.
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yea what slash said
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Originally posted by Slash27
a bunch of other superior planes to the F4,
Name them.
Typh. 300+ mph in level flight.
D11 ubber monster.
spitflower mk 9.
You A20 is better than the F4.
not to mention the allies have 2 pieces of flying artillery so don't give that BS the F4 is better than the whole allied plane set.
you dont need your hurri's and spitv's. you have superior plane mostly.
but wait the Fw190 you might say then go back see the tiffy ohh nm.
Your Jug will smack our 109's. your spitflowers will smack any 109.:rolleyes:
go cry else please.
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Sounds like somebody doesnt know how to fly lw iron to me...
As to adding the spit 5, whatever, I like a restricted plane set, too many options makes it less fun to me.
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I wouldnt care if the Spit V was left in, but the D-11 and Tyffie are both clearly superior to the 109F-4, which is why I mostly fly the 109A-5 in these sets.
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Originally posted by Grits
I wouldnt care if the Spit V was left in, but the D-11 and Tyffie are both clearly superior to the 109F-4, which is why I mostly fly the 109A-5 in these sets.
Yup or the mighty 110 of death :)
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ROFL...... heres the point Numb
Allied have 2 planes taken out..2 planes added
Axis had none taken out and 3 or 4 added:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by tzr
ROFL...... heres the point Numb
Allied have 2 planes taken out..2 planes added
Axis had none taken out and 3 or 4 added:rolleyes:
3 or planes that would make us not whine because we only have 1 109 and a 190.
Erg im not going to explode on you yet. i've been flying LW iron since june 2003.
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Its a balanced set. Its actually one of the more balanced sets we see in the CT, "ETO 1943", given the fact that the allied and axis a/c are not the same (is that a surprise to some?), and therefore are never 100 percent "equal", and never will be.
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YEah and I have been flying it poorly since 1996, yet... eagler. I have huge respect for the f4. Very very good plane.
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Seems like a pretty balanced plane set to me. Flew both axis and allies today , both sides have some great planes.
The matchup Spit 9 vs 190 F is a great one , really fun fights.