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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on August 27, 2004, 02:56:57 PM
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People who were not around or aware 1967 to 1972 don't recall the division this Country endured. Millions of good decent Americans were on both sides of the issue. Most gave their lives overseas and should be honored. Many also gave up their lives or livelyhoods here at home. All of them good Americans, fighting for something they believed in.
None should be villified ... on either side.
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I got teargassed... does that count?
It was all we talked about or heard about. Even so... no one was explaining what we were doing there or what the goal was..
Most of us lost all enthusiasm for the war when it became apparent that we weren't there to win... we were to just hold the line while they got stronger.
Most of us new that we could "win" if we would just attack the enemy and bomb his side of the fence. We shoulda had American flags flying in hanoi instead of sending traitors like fonda over there to sell out our POW's.
lazs
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When I was an undergrad the student population was reduced to protesting PARKING FEES
I hated those sign holding half-wits... so much.
-Sik
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Strategically Vietnam made sense from a Cold War perspective. But because we lacked the will to confront China and Russia we lost tactically. It's really as simple as that and a lot of men and women lost their lives for nothing.
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No they are not veterans, and at the risk of stirring up an old argument, I recall that some of you Kerry supporters were quite adimant that civilans had no right to protest or question the deeds of soldiers in wartime... So by that standard I suppose these people are criminals or somethjing.. :(
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Originally posted by Otto
But because we lacked the will to confront China and Russia
lacked?, you meant luck? we wouldn talk here today if
a war between Russia & America have started.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
lacked?, you meant luck? we wouldn talk here today if
a war between Russia & America have started.
What do you mean... there was no Mineshaft Gap!
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Veterans? Hardly. Stupid/foolish for throwing rocks at an armed National Guard? Definitely.
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Trying to justfy breaking the law and causeing violence in the name of peace is no better than a soldier trying to justify war crimes for the sake of war.
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MT is a dirty hippy.
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I'm not dirty.
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All hippies are dirty...it's a requirement!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
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People who were not around or aware 1967 to 1972 don't recall the division this Country endured. Millions of good decent Americans were on both sides of the issue. Most gave their lives overseas and should be honored. Many also gave up their lives or livelyhoods here at home. All of them good Americans, fighting for something they believed in.
None should be villified ... on either side.
nonsense there are plenty who should be villified. disagreeing with govt course of action is one thing. protesting govt action is fine. aiding enemy of your govt in time of war because you want to see your govt officials "lose so they can be put in their place" is treason. there are plenty of people who were extreme leftist anti american who commited treason and "got a pass".
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Originally posted by AKIron
Veterans? Hardly. Stupid/foolish for throwing rocks at an armed National Guard? Definitely.
Terrorists!
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Originally posted by AKIron
Veterans? Hardly. Stupid/foolish for throwing rocks at an armed National Guard? Definitely.
the big shame is that if i remember what i read right about half of the college kids killed or wounded had nothing to do with the protest. not saying the protesters deserved to be shot and killed but they at least contributed to the outcome. but the kids walking on campus hit by stray rounds were totally innocent.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Initially North Vietnam did not intervene directly in the South Vietnam civil war. However when they did the war was for all intents and purposes lost. The US could not push into NV because the Chinese would get involved directly, and no one can beat the Chinese in a land war on their border. The only course of action left was to pull out.
I have to disagree. The Viet Cong were destroyed when they came out of hiding during the Tet Offensive of 1968. After that the NV regulars were the only Communist still fighting and they were using both Cambodia and Laos as 'Safe Havens'.
If the US had bombed Hanoi we could have won the war. ( I know you don't believe this, but it comes from interviews with NV leaders after the 1972 Christmas Offensive) Tens of thousands of deaths in NV could have save millions in Cambodia later. It's an awful calculation but pretty close to the mark.
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Thank goodness otto i thought I was the only one who had read those interviews. Otto would you look at my post about tet. , under, swifties are not gop shills , and see if I got any of it right?
To win the war in Vietnam did not mean to put American soldiers on the china border. I t meant to completely destory N.V. ability to fight which we could have done.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Veterans? Hardly. Stupid/foolish for throwing rocks at an armed National Guard? Definitely.
None killed were closer than 80 meters to the guards, would have been a long toss, maybe they had Don Sutton in their ranks?
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Four students were murdered at Kent State by National Guardsmen... the VERY SAME National Guard President Bush belonged to.
I blame him for this travesty.
(Stepping back from the post, admiring it not unlike a grafiti artist admires freshly paint sprayed obsenities written on a subway wall, sipping my coffee and noticing that it somehow tastes better)
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One of the four was not even protesting but walking to class. Thats the real tragedy. Not even involved in the protest. The others?.......life is risky business. Just breathing opens up all sorts of tragic possibilities.
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Interesting account:
http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lewihen.htm
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Originally posted by midnight Target
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People who were not around or aware 1967 to 1972 don't recall the division this Country endured. Millions of good decent Americans were on both sides of the issue. Most gave their lives overseas and should be honored. Many also gave up their lives or livelyhoods here at home. All of them good Americans, fighting for something they believed in.
None should be villified ... on either side.
This incident happened in front of the architecture building at Kent State (Taylor Hall) where my wife studied for 5 years. Her brother was in school that day (at Kent State). We now live about four miles away.
Not meant as a comment on anything, just trivia.
eskimo