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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: flyingaround on August 28, 2004, 12:53:22 AM
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Shot the wing off a hurricane tonight, and as the wingless bird went down, a low ranked pilot (top 20, you'd think they would know better) followed the wingless hurri down shooting away, and stealing the kill.
I typed on range WHY would he/she shoot a wingless plane that was obviously on it's way down, and his/her initial response (on range vox. imagine squeaky girlish/kid voice here) was F.U. man(not abbreviated).
Wow. Not what I want, nor should expect to hear in AH. My kids love to sit and watch me fly (thank gosh they were in bed at the time) I asked if he wasn't up late and had school (yeah, i know 2morrow is Sat) based on his young (girlish) voice. He THEN privated me and proceeded to curse me some more. (like I had done anything wrong here, I was after all the one who both lost his kill, AND was verbally assaulted)
After about 5min of dull, childish banter on private channel (and no, he wouldn't duel me, i tried. Guess he/she was afraid to show their lack of ability) he/she (per him/her) squelched me.
Granted, I have had several ch200 spats as of late, but not once have I stooped to personal insults, or cursing, nor would I. IMO it shows ignorance, and lack of wit to have to use curse words. I may call you a skilless pilot, but would never hurl vulgar words.
Here's my question, at what point did the "community" start condoning this terrible behaviour? We can't expect HT to deal with this, as it has become the norm, as opposed to the exception, and is far to frequent. WE as the community should try and discourage this type of actions, and SHOULD be able to police ourself in this matter.
So maybe next time you hear someone cusing on vox, say something. Ask them to please watch the language, or something similar.
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i thnk it would be a good idea to see something like this implemented into the game.
if you shoot em and he still flys and someone comes along dealing the blow that sent em to the ground they get the kill.
if you deal the blow that sends em to the ground you get the kill no matter who comes along shooting at your kill. all they get is an asst for it.
back in ww2 and this is a guess but id say its correct... the person who knocks em outta the sky gets the kill.
*shrugs*
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Yuck. I hate that.
What I'd do is turn on the film and send it to HTC. Let them handle the individual.
dragoon,
Chuck Yeager punched another P-51 pilot for pulling the kind of stunt described above.
I'd really like to see damage tracking terminated if an aircraft has lost a whole wing or the whole tail. Put an end to this stuff.
Still wouldn't fix the bigger problem of the foul mouthed annonymous.
Seriously, map the record button and film these punks. Send it in and get them taken care of. HiTech doesn't want people ruining his game or company I'm sure.
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I used to have that problem, not long ago in fact. But now I fly in target rich environments almost exclusively. In a target rich environment there is NO time to shoot at dead planes. Perhaps a simple side change may be in order?
As for the vulgarity, well you must consider the source. The type of guys/gals that unload on wingless NME are not usually model citizens anyway. So I'm not sure what you expected "its" response to be, but it seems consistent with all the rest of the losers that fire on already dead planes. Again, maybe a target rich environment would do you some good, I'm willing to wager your a rook- am I right????
Karnak, I'm in Vallejo, were not far apart, maybe drinks are in order? & BTW Karnak is also correct, if someone is verbally assaulting you, film it & send it in. HTC will respond if film is valid.
Anton
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Vox is way out of hand these days. So many new hordering noobs dropping f bombs way to much. I can't keep up when my allowed squelch list is so small. The type of players have changed in the last year.
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Yeah ... as the saying goes "The scum also rises."
I was treated to a different brand of this kind of behavior tonight. We were defending 10 and I'd just upped a Spit 9 when a P47 came boring through. So I pop alt and wait for his second pass, dive to intercept and lead turn just right so I have a decent shot at D400 - I get a ping on him and am all set to unload the Hispanos when ...
... all of a sudden a teammate sends me a "check 6." I figure another lawn dart had boomed in which I didn't see. So I break high and look around. Nothing. Well, nothing except the guy who sent me the "check 6" shooting down the plane I had been on.
He had "check 6"ed me to clear his own shot.
What kind of cheap-jack crap is this? Like there aren't enough lawn-dart jabo dweebs to go around that you have to screw over a team-mate this way? What a colostomy bag of a human being.
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Dok & Fly,
Who are these 2 numb-nuts that you're speaking of?
Yea...yea...you think it's noble to withold names. But, the community can't help beat these dweebs in line if we don't even know who they are.
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Thats too bad, this game needs a dose of good sportsmanship
Just curious...Why would/did you challenge him to a duel?
and how would that have helped?
Is it like reliving HighSchool?
The fact that you said that your often gettin into it on the radio, and that you even decided to post this would lead me to believe that it took two to tango here. blow it off
Just my .02 ;)
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i steal kills when ever i can just to piss people off. Then of course if im in a dog fight and see someone open a chute i break off and go shoot the cute. Then they also whine that i am a vulch dweeb and i say ok up. vulch them as soon as they spawn.:D
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Please please do say who it was... :D
Here are the top 30 os so this tour...
Fencer
Whels
SHawk
102Jish
BaLy1
coyo
pacerr
2cmex
MiSFiT
DragOOn
Tsingis
Nuke33
AKOwl
BadAce
TalonX
aka
VegasX
Kingcat
oZAMZIo
Seraphim
Freedom1
WMLute
LYNX
GooseCH
Nfenix
Baba
Rolex
Spaatz
chris3
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I ended up login' back on and talkin' with his/her CO (whom i respect) and we "sorta" worked it out. (the co and i that is). I agreed to give 'em a break, and write it off as a bad night for them. It's still reprehensable, and I do think i'm owed an apology, but oh well. We'll see if they are a man/girl or a punk.
As far as challenging them to a duel, Cooley, I gave your response some thought. In a game like this, the only REAL recourse you have if in a spat w/ another player is to fight it out. Sorta the whole point of the game. Not like I was pickin' on a skilless noob (well, maybe i was, but he/she has got a good rank) and about the only thing you CAN do is fight it out in the DA. His rapier sharp wit left much to be desired, and he lead into the argument droping F bombs, so a verbal battle was not gonna' happen. I've also found that after spending some time in the DA (usually) I tend to try and HELP them and offer up tips and advice, and we end up on friendly terms.
Until AH implements an in game chess feature (virtual Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots would be neat) for players to battle it out, going into the DA is about the only thing you CAN do to settle arugments.
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Yea yea, honor and everyting but you still havent tol;d us who it was...
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I have my guess, as there is one on that list that stands out as a large problem child time and again. Although I don't fly for his team so I couldn't speak for his voice, but he does like to say "fu" alot.
As for the majority of these guys you have a big list of class-acts here, I've flown with/against nearly all of them and all are good people.
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Do tell! :D
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FA - I haven't flown AH for some weeks, but your post made me realise that I'm not missing anything. Way too many kidz/tardz in the game these days, and people whose prime objective is to ruin the game for others.
I will not be tuning 200 when I come back for reasons which become clear after reading FA's post.
Here's some pottymouth crap that I had to put up with a while ago. (Email me privately if you want to know who it was)
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/pottymouth.jpg)
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Hey! Come on now! Getting rid of channel 1 was supposed to fix all those problems.
:rolleyes:
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Beet that screenie is from AH1 is it not?
Just curious. I ask because I remember that fellow named pottymouth and he didnt last here more than a day.
The comunity as a whole generaly has enough impact to "weed out" these types.
For the most part I think the sportsmanship of the game is still there. There will be at times a noob on Ch200 who doesnt know or understand that this game isn't about trash talking, the kind that is in your screen shot. When this happens, their talk on open chan is short lived and so are they.
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Yes, it's from AH1. Pottymouth was not the guy's real ID. I edited the pic to keep his ID secret because I didn't want him banned on my account. Looking at his scores, he ranked very well in T49 but doesn't appear to have played since under that ID. Checked the BBS - no posts under his game ID.
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oh my.. i dont remember seeing any of those top 30 pilots. makes me realise that its way to long since i played ah.. miss it alot.
are there still alot of those that flew from around mid 2001 until last year around or have most left?
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Originally posted by beet1e
Yes, it's from AH1. Pottymouth was not the guy's real ID. I edited the pic to keep his ID secret because I didn't want him banned on my account. Looking at his scores, he ranked very well in T49 but doesn't appear to have played since under that ID. Checked the BBS - no posts under his game ID.
you didn't do a good job of editing umbolo's name out :D
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Here is what Chuck Yeager had to say about the topic at hand:
"There was still others who would fire a burst, then quickly break off; or watch someone else hammer an airplane, then, when the German was already windmilling and going down, dive in and fire a quick burst, then try to share credit for the kill. I had a guy do that to me. Believe me, he never did it again."
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Back in beta when the Aces High community was maybe 500 - 1000 people, with perhaps 50 - 60 online at any given time. We had time to learn who it was that was around us.
I mean there were like 100 knights that I could count on seeing on a weekly basis.
You could pretty quickly learn who was good, who was so so, who would clear your 6, etc. It became second nature to help those who helped you. And we each learned not to kill steal from each other. The community quickly learned to police itself mostly through peer pressure.
Multiply that by 1000 and your talking a whole different animal. Multiply a big black carpenter ant 1000 times then let me see you step on his head & squish him! Can't be done, he'd cut you in half.
Same thing here. The community has gotten so big you can't possible keep up with who's who. No one cares what your opinion is. No one cares if you don't like kill stealers & swearing.
Aces High has gone from the small rural hamlet to the Big Apple in 5 years.
As such it is incredibly powerfull, ONCE you get it aware of a problem. But for the most part it is a sleeping giant.
The only solution is for people to stand up & be counted WHEN IT COUNTS!
When its flagrent kill stealing, call em on it on country channel. People will remember. When its swearing and someone else asks them NOT do to that, back that person up.
Squelching a channel is like turning your back, pulling your hood over your head, and blending back into the crowd.
Stand up for what you believe in. Its not easy, its not always popular. It does get you respected eventually.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Until AH implements an in game chess feature (virtual Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots would be neat) for players to battle it out, going into the DA is about the only thing you CAN do to settle arugments. [/B]
:rofl Jeez..... your talking about someone else acting juvenile? Pluuuuueeeze.
Please don`t clutter up DA like this. You never know when the MA is going to crash. DA is for 262/163 races when the MA goes down. That is what it was made for, right? :D
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Originally posted by flyingaround
was F.U. man(not abbreviated).
i didnt think that text would let you type the real words?
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reading is phundamental.
he said on range "vox."
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Originally posted by anton
I'm willing to wager your a rook- am I right????
Anton
I'll take that bet , how much ya wanna lose? :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea yea, honor and everyting but you still havent tol;d us who it was...
Has nothing to do with honor. Just wasn't worth my time. Handle was "ZZ??" ... forget the last two letters ... I'll know him when I see him again ... trust me. And in his defense, I don't fly as "DoK" ... so I doubt he knew just who he was ticking off.
Cutting in front of someone else, or stealing a kill someone else already crippled, is nothing new. It is in many ways "part of the game" - even though it has no business in a game environment. But using "check 6" to move an countryman out of the way is really weak.
And in ways it speaks to a higher issue which has been broached in recent gameplay discussions. That is that if you don't keep MP gamers challenged, don't keep stirring the pot with new things being added, they will settle at a level of play which requires the least effort to accomplish a task.
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Using foul language is not uncommon. I confess to it in real life - IN APPROPRIATE CIRCUMSTANCES.
I think those who do it in a text box for the team or world to read are just immature.
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Guys, not posting the names of the offensive pilots and all around bas tard will not help resolve this thing ever. There is no need to show respect (by keeping name out) to the very tards that do this sort of stuff. If people would post the names, then squad CO's, squadmates and country flyers can help place heat on these players to cut it out. The obviously have no repect for you so why help them hide their secret.
Post names!!!!!! Lets blackball the ones who are over the top like the one that started this post. To say FU on open vox and then private text you abusive treatment is over the top, unnacceptible and he deserves to be recognized!!!!
In some cases, a squadmate or CO may see the post and handle the issue from happening again. I dont believe an FB has or ever would commit such a huge act of disrespect, however if it did happen, I would want to know about it. Think about it. We can use this board to make a difference.
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You can solve this real fast, Film every sortie. Then at end of day ersae the ones you don't want, Rename the ones you want to keep. Those that swear over and over send films into HTC.
2nd reason to film every sortie is to learn from mistakes, and from others moves they might make on you. watch some films of where you lost and you will gain advantage next time.
We all know the types your talking about, WE have the Homophobic closet guys who use F*g word 20 times in a sentence. whats a shame is some times I have to squelch own squadmate, Who can not speak without using F$$$. I to have a 6 yearold that loves to watch and play.
I left WARBIRDS because of thier abuses thier, Even thier Cm's would cuse out my daughter calling her all kinds of names when she shot them down. They knew she was a young lady and the abuses never stoped coming, We had to remove her account.
Hate to see it happen here
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ill jump on the bandwagon here..
dont post names, give them and the proof to HTC
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Originally posted by Nilsen
ill jump on the bandwagon here..
dont post names, give them and the proof to HTC
Yep. HT has asked numerous times for post like this not to be done here.
Film it or get a screenshot, send it to Skuzz. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Yep. HT has asked numerous times for post like this not to be done here.
Film it or get a screenshot, send it to Skuzz. Problem solved.
exactly, and I almost did just that. Had I not made nice with the guy/girls CO, I would have most certainly sent it in. I, as his CO put it, "gave 'em a break".
The POINT of my post wasn't to flame one guy/girl, (why i won't post the player name. HT has asked not to do that), but to ask if we as the community can resolve this. I am very encouraged by some of the responses. I for one curse all the time, but never in public, or around potential children. If i see a squaddie getin' out of line, I call 'em on it. You will frequently see me type "(insert cpid) please watch language) I would just like to see others help.
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This is just an idea...dunno if it can be implemented in the gamecode cause i know nothing about these things:
Can the server save/scan the textbuffers? if so it should be possible to "flag" sertain words and save the text and who wrote it for the HTC staff to deal with.
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OK, so maybe yer not a rook. But I assure you that killstealing, & check6 to drag somone off, are ALOT LESS COMMON in target rich environments. I am positive of this.
Anton
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Originally posted by anton
OK, so maybe yer not a rook. But I assure you that killstealing, & check6 to drag somone off, are ALOT LESS COMMON in target rich environments. I am positive of this.
Can we keep MA politics out of this?
This behavior is less common in a target rich environment for lack of time, not for lack of intent.
Creative use of vulgarity is an art form seldom practiced anymore.
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Originally posted by anton
OK, so maybe yer not a rook. But I assure you that killstealing, & check6 to drag somone off, are ALOT LESS COMMON in target rich environments. I am positive of this.
Anton
No it's not. The other night I had some moron steal my kill in a furball over some Rookie base. I had blown off both wings and the tail off of a Spitfire V and was watching what remained slowly flutter to the ground. Then here comes the Uber-1337 Knit-twit diving down and made not one but two passes on the dead Spitfire V and stole the kill from me. I suggested to this Knit-twit that he go to the TA and learn how to fight so he wouldn't have to resort to stealing other player's kills because he's incapable of getting his own. This lead to a barrage of vulgar insults from this twit. I got my little pay back as I used this Knit-twit the rest of the night as my personal bait and I would also wait until he was engaged with an enemy and then swoop down and kill the enemy.
I also have another one on film where I clear this other Knit-twit's six only to have him swing around and try to steal my kill of a wingless enemy plane. Karmic justice intervened when the Knit-twit augered trying to steal the kill.
ack-ack
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I must be confused, I thought the thread was about "lack of class" I didnt realize it was specific to vulgarity.
(Steve Martin voice)WELL, EXCUUUUSE MEEEEEEE :D
But I do think this type of behavior is non-sporting, weak and falls along the same lines as all the mindless hording that can be seen at any time the MA is somewhat active. I guess the masses dont want to challenge themselves. They tend to follow the path of least resistance, & lash out with vulgarity anyone who points them out as such.
Personally im REALLY glad HTC advertised on international television (dripping with sarcasm). Now we have an endless supply of foul mouthed, simpletons playing and acting like a bunch of 12YO delinquents. Air Quake anyone?
Anton
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We need names akak!
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I usually deal with kill stealers by asking them why they shot up an obviously dead aircraft. If they respond politely, then it's all good. Sometimes we dont see the same thing on our monitors. (lag)
If they respond negatively ie....*You shouldnt leave anything for me* (had someone tell me that once after I shot the entire tail section off an enemy plane). In cases like those I simply respond by telling the individual to not expect my help when they are in trouble. They usually just laugh at me when I say that, until they are in trouble and I circle above them watching them die :)
Another individual that I know from AirWarrior days used to follow me around shooting up all of my kills. I generally aim for a wing or the tail and attempt to do lethal damage w/o blowing the enemy plane up. This conserves ammo but still gets the job done. I just dont speak to this individual anymore. When he says Hi Elfie I type /.squelch name :) This particular individual was so bad about it I actually went to the extreme of using killshooter against him a couple of times. He doesnt follow me around anymore :)
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not sure how you would poll where this activity occurs most often. But I can say that I switched from Rooks to Bish BEFORE the ENY change for these exact reasons. As a rook with huge numbers it was extremely common for me to have kills stolen as the OBVIOUSLY UNFLYABLE plane spiraled to the ground, sometimes 2 times a flight. When I switched to Bish it was a nite & day difference.
I'm sure that these types exsist in all 3 countries, but the opportunities for them to act this way are definately more prevailant in target poor environment.
Anton
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Originally posted by flyingaround
exactly, and I almost did just that. Had I not made nice with the guy/girls CO, I would have most certainly sent it in. I, as his CO put it, "gave 'em a break".
I appreciate your discretion flyingaround, it would seem that even the best of us have our moments. There have been times I myself have said some pretty crappy things to other players, but it reminds me of a fight at school, a few days later (when the swelling goes down :D ) the combatants are playing together again. There is never a good reason to blow up or loose control, and get verbally abusive, but it happens from time to time. Sometimes the quickest way to resolve issues like this is to take that first step, if you see him on a few days later, even if the other player was wrong, say something like "Sorry about that (insert comment here)", only the most fiendish of players wouldn't recognise the effort to patch things up. We all have our moments.
But now in regards to kill stealing, if the plane still has icon, you better hope I don't get in on it before you finish them off ;)
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
He had "check 6"ed me to clear his own shot.
Pretty much why I ignore check 6's unless its a squaddie on vox.
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There is no point to threads like these without giving up the names!
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The best ways to solve a kill stealer is to follow him and force a killshooter shot or make him auger on landing. They soon learn.
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Going around language filter.
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well for once i know it wasnt me :D i have not flown more then 2 flights in last few weeks :cool:
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what the game nees is the equivilent of a you must be this tall to enter sign...
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Originally posted by Nilsen
i just use the assh*le methode and follow him for a while giving chck 6 calls until he logs off.
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Hehe ... that's why I didn't bother to complain ... figured I'd wait for a night when I was in a vile mood and take it out on the dweeb at that time.
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Quoting your own reply to getting around the language filter
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Originally posted by Nilsen
hey! that kind of behavior will not be tolerated so dont tell everyone to do what you do !!:mad:
You talking to youself?
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
You talking to youself?
just making sure i wont get a slap on the already sore wrist for saying something out of order :p
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There is no point to threads like these without giving up the names!
If I could remember the name of the Knit-Twit that stole my kill I would have posted his name. It's Topasomething or another. I thought he was a Japanese player at first by his name but when he started swearing, it was quite obvious that he wasn't.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Nilsen
i just use the assh*le methode and follow him for a while giving chck 6 calls until he logs off.
idiots that killsteal usually wont stand for idiot behavior themselves.
after a few they log on again but they are outa my face or even better....they have changed countries and i can kill em!
Good one! Talk about lack of class. Maybe kill stealing isn't all that important to me because I realize this is a game. And yes I'm not very good so I can't kill or steal! But the issue of language is one that does bother me and has for awhile. While watching a bunch of "kids" (I'm guessing) typing garbage for what seemed to be 10 minutes i asked if they could keep it down to a minimum. It is amazing how many ways you can "hide" the FU expression. Including that one! Respect is something that is hard to come by in real life, the internet has only minimized the concept. Becuase it is about respect. Whether it is kill shooting, constant check 6's or language. HT should know when an individual has crossed the line when it comes to verbal abuse. And I'm not talking the occasional "delete", but the language that we would find offensive in our everyday life. If you don't find this language offensive then don't worry. Someone will.
Peace
Pillur
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Originally posted by Nilsen
just making sure i wont get a slap on the already sore wrist for saying something out of order :p
Ah ... I understand ...
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We're all professional combat pilots here. Give us the names, & we'll take care of matters our own way.
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OH BTW, I forgot to add, when I confronted him/her about what they did, they CLAIMED they just wanted to see what the pilot's name was, and only unloaded 20 or so 20mm on 'em.
(sigh)
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Originally posted by flyingaround
OH BTW, I forgot to add, when I confronted him/her about what they did, they CLAIMED they just wanted to see what the pilot's name was, and only unloaded 20 or so 20mm on 'em.
(sigh)
Stop this BS and tell us who it was...
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I'll pay $1 for any tip that leads to the arrest and conviction of these perpetrators. You can start by telling us their names.
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this is how i feel about kill stealing little weanies and immature punks who just curse and curse and curse some more:
(http://community.codemasters.com/forum/images/smilies/brickwall.gif)
when will they learn to play the game with honour???
Air combat is a gentlemans game, and those who cannot handle this chivalry should play duke nukem online or whatever its called
I had someone try to steal my kill on a yak today also. LAME!
luckily he didnt get it but he was chasing it down from 8k to the deck pumping all his ammo into it....
Batfink
PS: one more time, because you know it looks cool.....
(http://community.codemasters.com/forum/images/smilies/brickwall.gif)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
This is just an idea...dunno if it can be implemented in the gamecode cause i know nothing about these things:
Can the server save/scan the textbuffers? if so it should be possible to "flag" sertain words and save the text and who wrote it for the HTC staff to deal with.
ohh it used to do that when did it stop?
any time you used to use word's like ohh i dont know! another word for human body parts in particular, it would tell you that its unacceptable language and i have one more warning.
any profanity, to my knowledge had been blocked in text.
now vox on the other hand, thats another.
dont swear at others, swear at your self. for not paying more attention;)
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Game ID
Fencer
Whels
SHawk
102Jish
coyo
emodin
BaLy1
pacerr
2cmex
DragOOn
MiSFiT
Tsingis
Nuke33
TalonX
BadAce
AKOwl
WMLute
aka
VegasX
Kingcat
here is a list of the top 20 pilots.
Lute said he was in the top 20 so i assume we can narrow things down a bit with this list......
also, the pilot in question must be, or must have been at the time of the crime, a knight, as i know Lute is on my side....
unfortunately i know not how to find out a pilots country from the HTC site.
but i know (as far as my boozed up, saturday night memory serves me)these pilots are not, or are rarely knights:
Fencer
SHawk
coyo
DragOOn
BaLy1
2cmex
MiSFiT
Tsingis
TalonX
Nuke33
BadAce
VegasX
Kingcat
So therefore i am guesing the pilot accused is one of these chaps:
Whels
102Jish
emodin
pacerr
AKOwl
WMLute
aka
Out of these pilots i would hazard a guess that i know them, or of them well enough to eliminate them from suspision:
Whels
102Jish
emodin
AKowl
WMLute (duh!)
aka
so it is my guess (and probably wrong) that it was Pacerr
Pacerr you kill stealing chappy you - lol
am i correct?
any more clues Lutey baby?? :)
Batfink
(PS: please take no offence any pilot on that list, im just doing my job)
(oh yeah, lets see that smiley one more time!! hehehe)
stopping kill stealers, HO'ers, serial vulchers and finally, pottymouthed morons is like....(http://community.codemasters.com/forum/images/smilies/brickwall.gif)
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Originally posted by mechanic
so it is my guess (and probably wrong) that it was Pacerr
Pacerr you kill stealing chappy you - lol
am i correct?
any more clues Lutey baby?? :)
Batfink
(PS: please take no offence any pilot on that list, im just doing my job)
(oh yeah, lets see that smiley one more time!! hehehe)
stopping kill stealers, HO'ers, serial vulchers and finally, pottymouthed morons is like....(http://community.codemasters.com/forum/images/smilies/brickwall.gif)
It was me.
ack-ack
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>>Wow. Not what I want, nor should expect to hear in AH. My kids love to sit and watch me fly (thank gosh they were in bed at the time) I asked if he wasn't up late and had school (yeah, i know 2morrow is Sat) based on his young (girlish) voice. He THEN privated me and proceeded to curse me some more. (like I had done anything wrong here, I was after all the one who both lost his kill, AND was verbally assaulted)
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Quick answer is the kid wasn't the only childish one involved.
And if your kids love to watch you play a video game, you need to reset priorities. Kids don't like to watch - they like to participate. I am getting it up to "here" with this "my kids are watching the banter" etc. If your kids are watching you play then you need to be doing something else (playing a game with them, reading, wrestling, something they are participating in)- period.
There's no excuse for cursing, but the lament of my "children were watching me be hypnotized by eye candy" is foolish IMHO. It indicates a bigger problem.
"Now you sit right there Johnny and watch daddy real in the big red fish. Isn't this fun watching daddy fish, Johnny?"
Yea, right.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It was me.
ack-ack
no it wasnt.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
I'll pay $1 for any tip that leads to the arrest and conviction of these perpetrators. You can start by telling us their names.
i think, if you read my posts a few posts above this, that you owe me $1 sir
:rofl
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thank you
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Originally posted by opus
Quick answer is the kid wasn't the only childish one involved.
And if your kids love to watch you play a video game, you need to reset priorities. Kids don't like to watch - they like to participate. I am getting it up to "here" with this "my kids are watching the banter" etc. If your kids are watching you play then you need to be doing something else (playing a game with them, reading, wrestling, something they are participating in)- period.
There's no excuse for cursing, but the lament of my "children were watching me be hypnotized by eye candy" is foolish IMHO. It indicates a bigger problem.
"Now you sit right there Johnny and watch daddy real in the big red fish. Isn't this fun watching daddy fish, Johnny?"
Yea, right.
actually, being on the young side, (4 and 6) they DO like to watch me fly. Granted, they don't stare in rapt attention for hours on end, but quite often they are there for 5-10 min stretches, or in the same room as myself and playing with toys (coloring, whatever). Being such a good parent (tooting own horn) my kids LIKE being in the same room as myself, and where ever I am, rest assured they are not far behind. I am VERY involved with them, and you can generally find me devoting the majority of my free time to them. Involving my children in my hobby of flying is a GOOD thing.
You would be surprised how into AH they are. They know what color is good guys, vs. bad, and like watchin' 'em go BOOM. They can identify many of the planes (they like the forked tail devil) and are constantly telling me what to do (who to kill, what to bomb etc.). Don't know how including my kids in something I enjoy is bad opus, but you sure seem to paint that picture.
Bottom line is some of us DO have kids watching us, or in the same room, and some jerk dropping the Fbomb on vox is flat out tasteless. Some of us don't want to hear some 14yr old cursing up a storm (where are THEIR parents), or an adult who should know better swearing on vox.
Would like to know just how i'm being childish here, as that is what was implied by you. I'm of the opinion I have taken the "higher" road. Elinghten me please...
I've always considered the typical pilot who flys these WW2 sims as a cut above, and maybe i'm holding them to too high of a standard, but it's my opinion, so there it is.
p.s. not to egg this on, but the offending guy/gal is now top 30. They dropped a bit.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
He had "check 6"ed me to clear his own shot.
... and then there's the other variety of countryman who never gives you a 6 call because they are saddled up on the guy behind you and they don't want you jinking and ruining their good setup on the bandit trailing you...
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Originally posted by flyingaround
actually, being on the young side, (4 and 6) they DO like to watch me fly.
You would be surprised how into AH they are.
Bottom line is some of us DO have kids watching us, or in the same room, and some jerk dropping the Fbomb on vox is flat out tasteless.
I will admit to the fact that my daughter sat in my lap at 3 years old to learn how to use the mouse--- and would often watch me play AW and "fly" a B-17 with me. She learned all about them from the game. When she was 7, we visited a B-17G "Pathfinder" named "Chuckie" at Meacham Field in Ft. Worth and I asked her what all of the plane parts were as we walked around. A mechanic working on the #3 engine stopped to watch us for a while. When she asked where the ball turret was (because the G's had the radome located there), the mechanic came down to talk to us and gave us a tour inside the plane. He was amazed at her questions (she was also pretty small for her age at that time). She got to sit in the pilots seat but preferred the bombardier position and really liked the Norden bombsight (good girl !!).
She never heard any foul language in AW because vox sucked so bad there, our squad used Roger Wilco so she never heard open channel stuff - just my squad and the aircraft. In AH, I wear headphones with attached Mic anyway so she never hears anything if she pops in to the study.
The best course of action is to send a little film of the bezoar to support@hitechcreations.com .
Alba gu Bragh !
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>>Bottom line is some of us DO have kids watching us, or in the same room, and some jerk dropping the Fbomb on vox is flat out tasteless. Some of us don't want to hear some 14yr old cursing up a storm (where are THEIR parents), or an adult who should know better swearing on vox.
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Yea, I think I was harsh - sorry about that. I just got this picture of kids staring blankly at an absentee parent who was on the puter for hours and hours. That was knee jerk characterization.
I agree completely, there is no need for profanity to express one's self.
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misfit= knight.
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There is a two part thing here, one is the kill stealing. I'm sorry IMO but there is no such thing as kill stealing. If the plane still has icon, it is still a viable target. If someone cuts in on your kill and gets it, then that is really sort of your own fault and you should follow through on your kills. Throw a steak out to two hungry dogs, and they will go for it. Even if the other dog has taken a large bite out of it, its not going to slow the other one down a bit. Kill stealing does not exsist, they are called assists, and if you don't get your kill, you should have finished the job to begin with. Follow through, especially if there are other dogs eyeing your steak. Instead of hollering about a kill being stolen, try saying "oops, I should have finished him off" :D
The other issue is of course profanity, or growling and barking. As far as I can tell given the situation presented, it was wrong for this person to start swearing you out, and it was wrong to respond by calling them childish, it was wrong to accuse them of stealing a kill, it was wrong of them to PM, and it was wrong to bring this to the BB. It was a spat that would, should and could really have ended with the 1st exchange. The proper avenues have been taken, the right folks have been contacted and there's no need to bring this thing to a name game on the BB. There is a squelch feature in this game, and there are avenues to report repeat offenders, etc. Let's not drag this post out guys, let sleeping dogs lie. ;)
Originally posted by flyingaround
p.s. not to egg this on, but the offending guy/gal is now top 30. They dropped a bit.
Save your eggs for the filthy bishrook! :aok
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Hell yeah I'm naked. Hey ... I thought we were all supposed to be naked? And drunk.
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Was informed by my CO that I was being flamed. So I thought I would drop by and explain what really happened.
First of all, you did NOT type it on range, it was private channel. Second, You said 'how pathetic to try and steal a kill blahblahblah'. So, yes , I defended myself, because as far as i'm concerned, it was a personal attack. I've heard you complain to other pilots before, and i am not about to let you go with this. Third you said you had all of it recorded. Where's the film? I insisted you send it in. You think you're so innocent, when in fact it was you who incited & started the entire thing. I popped off a few rounds because it was a good fight and I wanted to see who the pilot was via assist. Remember I was there backing you up in that fight. But I guess your ego is a bit more important that anything. Fourth, it was you who brought up the dueling arena. I never even mentioned it.
So if you think you're so right and innocent, let's see the tape. Again, I INSIST.
All the way up to the part where I squelched you.
I'm calling your bluff
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looks like i was wrong then...hehehehe
sorry pacerr
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P.S.
What made me the most angry is the fact that he decided to treat me like a child instantly instead of (like an adult) asking why I did what I did. Verbal abuse on the 1st parties part. Maybe I shouldn't have cursed, but I do not believe in letting bullies push people around. Yes, I am a small guy, but I am the one who always fights back and puts bullies in their place. Also, I am 30 years old and am a senior tech for Boeing sattelite systems. I hope that anyone reading this post would take the time to hear both sides, to hear the truth of what happened, instead of hearing a rant from someone who is upset over a game.
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flyingaround
you sound like a superdad :)
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That player in question is Seraphim.
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It ain't kill stealin. It's over exuberance.:D
Les
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OH BTW, I forgot to add, when I confronted him/her about what they did, they CLAIMED they just wanted to see what the pilot's name was, and only unloaded 20 or so 20mm on 'em.
P.S.S.
BTW, I was flying a P51, which doesnt have 20mm, they 50 cals.
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Originally posted by mechanic
i think, if you read my posts a few posts above this, that you owe me $1 sir
:rofl
checks and postal orders may be made payable to BatfinkV@flightsims.info.
thank you
batfink
:lol You have accused someone. But, where is the proof that will convict him of these crimes? :)
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Originally posted by twitchy
I'm sorry IMO but there is no such thing as kill stealing.
So you won't even bother with the excuse that "you were merely putting some rounds into the falling wreakage to identify the worthy opponent in the fight that others actually participated in but you think you did as well because you were a nearby observer rather than simply asking the other player or players that actually put rounds into the badguy plane during the fight who he was so (insert plenty of cussing) cause I'm a grownup (insert more cussing)?"
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*My $0.03 worth on the subject*
I been gone a couple years, and figured my horse wasn't in this race, but now that I'm coming back, I figured I'd speak out on this sorest of sore topics... Here's how I see the situation;
- Impunity: Pottymouths do it because there is little to no reprecussions. In other words, they are not held accountable for their actions.
- Todays role models; How many CD's, or Albums covers actually show the artist *role models* smiling, or thoughtful? Most of the popular ones are scowling, or looking like they want to intimidate, and that is seen as "cool" by their followers. Of course immitation being the sincerest form of flattery, the followers *totally brainless idiots imho* affect the "look", and act the lyrics.
- American society, as a whole, sat back and let rude behavior become the norm. (yes I am an American.)
I could go on and on about the woes of poor parenting, but I won't. I'm not saying ALL music is crap. I also know that my eclectic taste in music isn't what everyone likes, and am big enough to admit that they can change the channel on their own sets.
I am not going to say that being raised on a farm, with "good ole boy" work ethics, and traditional Christian American morals is the way to go. But it worked for me and many others.
I am going to say that rude game behavior is not something we, the gamers, should have to put up with. However, until a better way comes along to make the transgressors accountable for their errant ways, we are stuck with what we got.
So squelch the rummy curmudgeons at let them rant to dead air. :cool:
Thank you for helping make AH a better killing environment.
*steps off soapbox*
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Originally posted by Arlo
So you won't even bother with the excuse that "ramble...ramble...misinterpre t...ramble...ramble...bemoan. .."
No, Arlo, I'm saying that if you don't want your kill 'stolen' then don't let them drift down to the deck in flames and expect the other friendlies in the area to sit there and not take a shot at them. In other words, finish your kills. If someone steals a kill from you, it's your own fault for not following through on your kill. If I see a red icon, I am goign to shoot at it and I don't give a zip doodley dee dah who shot it first. Unethical? Maybe, but then I'm not out to improve anyone's score but mine and my squad mates.
A kill is a kill, an assist means you didn't cut the mustard. I wouldn't leave a twenty dollar bill lying around in a public place, cause I wouldn't want it 'stolen', why leave your kills dangling in the air then? Would you drop your wife off at the bar with a hundred bucks then come storming back in hours later and start pounding heads? Why leave the door open?
Kill stealing is a myth perpetuated by score freaks that realize in horror that maybe they didn't finish the enemy off at the last minute, then they get mad when someone walks in an open door.
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Lets say you have this most awesome superduperdoubledeluxedelishd agwood sandwich you made and took a few bites from. Then while you go to the fridge to look for a drink some goofus walks in and takes the sandwich.
Or you're in Cheers drinking a beer, and while you go water your horse, Norm walks over and takes ur beer.
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Originally posted by twitchy
No, Arlo, I'm saying that if you don't want your kill 'stolen' then don't let them drift down to the deck in flames and expect the other friendlies in the area to sit there and not take a shot at them. In other words, finish your kills. If someone steals a kill from you, it's your own fault for not following through on your kill.
Ramble... ramble... rationalize... excuse... ;)
AHHHH!!!!! So ... if you don't want your kill 'stolen' by 'friendlies' you have to unload alot more ammo into a plane that, by all rights, you just 'killed' by 'shooting it's wing off' and players who dive down to pump rounds into burning wrecks to 'get credit for a kill' are just 'playing the game the way it's designed to be played.'
My bad. I thought shooting obviously burning, falling planes to steal someone's kill was a 'bad thing', possibly deserving some scorn and ridicule. Something to be 'ashamed' about. I'm glad you 'set me straight' on that. We'll wing up and I'll 'help' you 'kill' the bad guys. But not before you shoot a wing off or sumpin. :D
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Flying around you’re a much more patient man than I am. I would have sent it all to HTC with the hopes they would have been banned. You see, had you been a new costumer odds are pretty good you might have logged and never came back. Permanent revenue loss.
Talking to the C.O. is good also, if they have one. Back in WB once a fellow in a well known and respected squad cussed out one of my squadies. He took pictures. I sent them to this guys C.O. Two days later he apologized to everyone involved.
As for dueling them… Well that would just prove they are a better pilot then I am so I tend not to settle things that way.
Yea yea, honor and everyting but you still havent tol;d us who it was...
LOL GRUNHERZ
OH BTW, I forgot to add, when I confronted him/her about what they did, they CLAIMED they just wanted to see what the pilot's name was, and only unloaded 20 or so 20mm on 'em.
:rolleyes:
And if your kids love to watch you play a video game, you need to reset priorities. Kids don't like to watch - they like to participate.
My son is now flying under the call sign of sondog. He is learning slowly. If he ever does anything wrong someone let me know. I will explain it to him. :)
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Lets say you have this most awesome superduperdoubledeluxedelishd agwood sandwich you made and took a few bites from. Then while you go to the fridge to look for a drink some goofus walks in and takes the sandwich.
Or you're in Cheers drinking a beer, and while you go water your horse, Norm walks over and takes ur beer. – Shane on stealing kills.
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Originally posted by Arlo
AHHHH!!!!! So ... if you don't want your kill 'stolen' by 'friendlies' you have to unload alot more ammo into a plane
BINGO!! :aok
And I wouldn't toss half a superduperdoubledeluxedelishd agwood sandwich on the ground before I had consumed it shane, putting it in the fridge is one thing, letting it fall slowly into a pack of wild ravenous dogs is another ;)
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Originally posted by daddog
Talking to the C.O. is good also, if they have one.
This was done, and as far as the CO was concerned the matter was closed, then the next day it showed up on the BB. As both parties felt agreived, The CO discussed it with both players and decided two grown men should be allowed to settle their differences between themselves. It was little more than a spat and no blood was shed as far as the CO knows. The CO has also known player A for a long time, and knows he is not a demon, CO also knows that Player B is a decent enough chap, and would not suprise him in the least to see this matter resolved by a simple leaving it be.
Player A got mad, Player B got mad, Player C is trying to stay out of it, maybe player D and E, F and G etc. should too eh? ;)
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Originally posted by twitchy
Player A got mad, Player B got mad, Player C is trying to stay out of it, maybe player D and E, F and G etc. should too eh? ;)
That last reply has got to be the best comment I ever seen you type on these boards, twitchy! simply outstanding!
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Originally posted by twitchy
Player A got mad, Player B got mad, Player C is trying to stay out of it, maybe player D and E, F and G etc. should too eh? ;)
Player A got alt, Player B got E, Player C is trying to stay alive, maybe players D and E, F and G, etc should stay out of it?
how's that sound?
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Originally posted by twitchy
And I wouldn't toss half a superduperdoubledeluxedelishd agwood sandwich on the ground before I had consumed it shane, putting it in the fridge is one thing, letting it fall slowly into a pack of wild ravenous dogs is another ;)
Wild, ravenous dogs can chew their own food and don't need me to chew it for them. ;) :aok
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Originally posted by twitchy
No, Arlo, I'm saying that if you don't want your kill 'stolen' then don't let them drift down to the deck in flames and expect the other friendlies in the area to sit there and not take a shot at them. In other words, finish your kills. If someone steals a kill from you, it's your own fault for not following through on your kill. If I see a red icon, I am goign to shoot at it and I don't give a zip doodley dee dah who shot it first. ....
[SARCASM]
Well hell. No wonder I don't land 137-kill sorties like you whizz kids.
If I'm cruising into the combat area and see something burning and cartwheeling down to the deck, I decide to save my ammo for a kill I'm more likely to actually get (since someone else obviously got this "red dot" mess up), and not burn my altitude chasing a flaming bag of dog (expletive) to the deck.
I'm such a fool. Thank you so much for setting me straight.
[/SARCASM]
Now, if you're in a furball, there's some justification - what with the "hold the trigger as I spin to my death so maybe I hit someone even though my screen looks like the end of 2001 ... the colors ... the colors ..." crowd. In which case that's an "oh well" if someone else in the furball got the kill. And I'd hardly call it stealing, nor would anyone else.
But deliberately going after planes which are obviously "dead" in hopes of stealing the kill by pouring in more cannon rounds than anyone else, or maybe the guy who did the damage thus far is already dead, is just weak. Those are the "score freaks."
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What is wrong with just asking who the guy was? I do that all the time.
By the way, I've been known to yell at people over Vox for stealing my kill, but usually they just didn't know it was dead and apoligize, and then it is all over. Never had one start cussing at me and ****. Well, maybe one, but I can't remember who it was, so it doesn't matter that much.
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Seraphim and twitchy look me up online sometime. If you're unable to get kills on your own I'll toss you some scraps.
Heck the same offers extends to anyone else who sucks so bad they'd need to chase down others people's left-overs to feel l337!
All I ask is for a little cooperation when I holler out to you, "fetch!", "roll over" and "beg boy, beg!"
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Innappropriate
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :
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I know this has been brought up before, but IMO there should be areas of critical damage that lock any kill or potential kill into the pilot that generated the damage. These would supercede any "total" damage points. You could start here:
1/2 wing shot off (pilot with most damage points causing the failure)
Tail shot off (pilot with most damage points causing the failure)
Elevators shot off (both by same pilot)
Ailerons shot off (both by same pilot)
Engine dead (credit pilot who caused initial damage)
A plane might be able to fly, and even get a lucky (or stupid on the part of the victim) kill with some of the above, but these areas significantly (or totally in the case of a missing, tail, etc) reduce it's ability to even fly defensive maneuvers.
Obviously, if the plane makes it back to base and screeches to a halt on the runway there would be no kill. But if it fails to make it back to base by auguring or an "assist" then the pilot that inflicted the above damage (or the above damage first - a wing for example) would get the kill. If a plane augers without any of the above damage then it would go to the pilot who generated the most damage points.
[edit: you might just add these in for pilots that create 100 percent of the damage to the above items, with the usual points system for all other circumstances. If you saddle up on the con and with one burst bllow off a wing, you get the kill. But if you damage the wing 50 percent, and somebody else 50 percent to cause the final failure, its counted as nothing more than points and not a critical failure]
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
Engine dead (credit pilot who caused initial damage)
If plane can maneuver and fire (even for only two more turns), why should this particular "kill credit" be assigned ? I've lost B-17 drones to 190's who were still able to make two more passes AFTER I killed their engines.
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Originally posted by twitchy
No, Arlo, I'm saying that if you don't want your kill 'stolen' then don't let them drift down to the deck in flames and expect the other friendlies in the area to sit there and not take a shot at them. In other words, finish your kills.
:eek: :rolleyes: Twitchy!!! You disappoint me, sir! :lol
I couldn't disagree with you more.
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that is such a waste of ammo twitchy why would anyone want to do that?
people should have enough decency and respect to let you get your kill.
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The issue at hand WAS dealt with, and considered a dead matter (as I posted prev) as far as I was concerned.
In my mind Seraphim, it was closed, and nobody "flamed you" on the bbs, as your name never came up.
I ALSO started this thread immediatly after the "incident" and posted a reply that I considered it resolved. My follow up posts dealt with vulgarity in general, and you were not really brought up. (save my slipped to the top 30 comment, and that I do regret.) Nobody flamed you directly, and you outed yourself here (cough, ROD367th pic) not me.
Kill stealing was not really the issue, but the vugarity. My follow up reply's never delved into "kill stealing", that was done by others. I reviewed the film, and what "happened", in chronological order, was as follows.
Me typing on range "Seraphim, WHY would you shoot at a wingless Hurricane?"
To wit you responded on range vox "F.U. man"
THAT was your initial reaction. To curse at me on range vox. I then I typed "Don't you have school 2morrow" comment (based totally on your childish reaction, and squeaky voice), and you decided to switch to private (and curse some more) and it went downhill from there.
WHAT you seem to be missing here are several pertinent points.
1. You shot at a plane going down like a dweeb. You should have apologized, and that would have been that. THAT is what adults, and/or pilots with honor or respect do. We BOTH know that is considered a "dweeb" thing to do, and a pilot of your calibre shouldn't do such things.
2. You LEAD the interaction with tellin' me "F.U." on VOX. That in and of itself should result in geting banned from AH, or at the least reprimaned. There is not really any excuse for it, and I am still awaiting an apology. You posted your 30yrs old, let's see if you can act like it.
The whole reason I started the thread was to ask the community if they would help crack down on people cursing on vox, and/or text. It should at the least be frowned on, and at best not allowed. You decided to poke your head in here and probably turn this into a flame fest (*cough*, again childish), and are apparently not a "man" enough to own up to a mistake, and take proper action for it.
Don't try to make me out as a bad guy here. I didn't shoot at a wingless bird, nor hurled vulgarities on range vox. THAT is the bottom line. Don't like be treated like a kid, or assumed to be one? Quit acting like your 12.
p.s. twitcy, did you not read where I posted we had talked, and I considered this a dead issue? Original posted after incident, and follow up immediatly after our talk. I DID drop it, as we discussed.
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If plane can maneuver and fire (even for only two more turns), why should this particular "kill credit" be assigned ? I've lost B-17 drones to 190's who were still able to make two more passes AFTER I killed their engines.
A plane spiraling to the ground with it's tail shot off and the trigger held down can still score a kill. A similar argument could be made for any of the other items -- say you overshhot on a pass directly in front of its guns.
It's on the list because, for the most part, the ability to manuver in an agressive manner after an engine is dead decreases dramatically as altitude and airspeed are lost. 1-2 turns if the E is high enough to begin with, perhaps a downward spiraling fight for a minute as altitude is heavily traded for energy (and any significant level flight or climbing manuvers eliminate that fight quickly). Similarly, I didn't put a burning plane on the list because it is able to fight in the vertical and horizontal without any degraded performance until it explodes. If it exploded sooner rather than later (as it is now) then it might be added, but a burining plane that is still flying has to be considered an equal threat until it explodes.
In your case a plane with likely very high e and armed with cannons was able to make 1-2 manuvers on a low energy bomber formation that was in very close proximity and score a quick kill. Substitute a fighter for the bombers, or put the damaged plane D1-2 away when the engine is killed and you would quickly be able to dogifit it successfully in the same bomber with a considerable performance advantage for the remainder of the fight.
Frankly, I don't see how your example affects my position. My post is strictly about who gets the kill. In your case, you would get the kill, and not the guy who vulched it while it was trying to ditch at stall speeds.
Charon
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Seraphim I will be looking for you.... :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Seraphim I will be looking for you.... :D
FINALLY...30,000 posts later...our target is identified. :D :lol
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Originally posted by Seraphim
I popped off a few rounds because it was a good fight and I wanted to see who the pilot was via assist.
I suggest you hit CTRL+R next time and watch your own film, Seraphim. The enemy pilot will be identified in the film, and you won't risk this kind of fiasco ever again. :D
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Tbolt- Saraphim IDd himself on page 2
Twitchy- its ok your not ashamed, were all ashamed of you enough to cover. BTW I really enjoyed whupping your spit & your spit friend last nite.
Anton
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Lute you said you had it all filmed. maybe you should go back and watch it again, because it was you who insulted me immediatly on private channel; and not once did I use vox. I merely defended myself, perhaps a bit harshly. I never private anyone unless they private me first. So, for the third time, go back and review your film.
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Seraphim at what times do you normally fly?
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Mostly late evening Grun
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Did you film the incident?
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No Lute said he did
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Now that the names are out lets have the video flyingaround...
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Nice selective memory. You have been mistaken so far on almost every recollection you have made as to it being somewhat laughable, or quite sad. ( I especially liked the "you had my back" bit. Considering that I was zooming over nme base on a flyby and hit the hurri in question w/ a snapshot going 380kias that statment was about as reality grounded as the rest of the drivel you have spewn forth). Not gonna argue w/ you over the range vox, OR the fact that YOU privated me. Those are stone cold facts, and your deviation from them just go to prove my point as to your character.
I'm done. Not wasting anymore time on/with you.
To those that posted on a positive note, thanks. Maybe we can make a differance and help police the community.
p.s. hey, i'm not a bully am I? Anyone? I tend to only pick on "low" ranked pilots that run their mouth. Other than that I'm rarely on ch200.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
:lol You have accused someone. But, where is the proof that will convict him of these crimes? :)
proof? who needs proof when we could just burn all the accused at the stake? :D
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Lets have the video please.
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Three pages on the BB is a "closed issue"?
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Originally posted by mechanic
proof? who needs proof when we could just burn all the accused at the stake? :D
:lol :D
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"Brave Sir Robin ran away
Bravely, ran away...away...
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely talking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin"
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why hasn't this thread died?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
oh my.. i dont remember seeing any of those top 30 pilots. makes me realise that its way to long since i played ah.. miss it alot.
are there still alot of those that flew from around mid 2001 until last year around or have most left?
Remember me, Nilsen? :cool:
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Let's resume the stealing-kill thing.....
Seems this is (on this BBS) a quite legal behavior...maybe on the edge of fairness.
As in real life there's people who shows a certain class,elegance in everything they do, others who take advantage of every opportunity to steal the home silverware.......
Its just a matter of class........;)
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Here's one way to deal with open channel offenders.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5938
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Im really a noob here.. just started playing this week (though Ive played for 2 weeks 2 years ago and for 2 weeks 1 year ago).
I really hate kill stealing like that. Its really anoying when I as a new pilot finally manage to pop someone out of the sky to just see others swoop in and cherry pick it.
Though I my self have a hard time seeing if a plane is going down or if its still kicking. Sometimes fit a plane say has its tail shot of and going down it aint easy to see if its going down or just diving in a evasive manouver.
So mistakes can happen until I get used to identifying targets better.
What puzzles me though is that vets actually do this on purpous. I dont mind the accidental ones as mistakes happen and identification can be hard at times, but intentional kill stealing just sucks arse.
For new players this can be very disencouraging. Basicly new players need to get kills in their first 2 trial weeks or they wount subscribe to the game.
For my self its just frustrating but I do know how to fly a plane and how to get kills, since I have played alot of other ww2 games. But for true noobs it must be just frustrating to point of no return.
Tex
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Tail or elevators shot off = nose pointing up as plane goes down.
Plane is history. Pilot has 2 options: Ride it down (possibly pulling the trigger for a despiration kill) or hit the silk.
Half wing or wing shot off generally means the plane either stops making evasive moves altogether and suddenly enters a slowly increasing bank to the damaged wing side or it immediately rolls into the missing wing (if the pilot releases control or rolls it that way) and the nose increases it's declination until impact.
With a half wing shot off the pilot has a chance to make it back to base but not much of one in continuing a fight. Fair game .... finish him.
No wing is kinda like the options about having no tail with even less chance of scoring hits out of despiration. Plane and pilot are finished.
Both wings shot off means the plane will suddenly have a very good rollrate as it lawndarts.
Options same as lost tail or missing wing with even less chance of a despiration hit on someone (then again, all three instances require the cooperation of someone flying in front of your guns. Plane and pilot are finished.
Pilot wound means what otherwise looks like a perfectly good plane will occasionally fly straight and level at a constant speed while the pilot passes out.
Pilot may make it back. Pilot may wake up and find himself in position to get a solution and get a kill. Fair gaime ... finish him off.
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Arlo
Wings shot of is really easy to see by looking at the shape of the plane.
The shot of tail is a bit harder. (by just viewing the model). From distance for an untrained eye it can be hard to tell if a plane is diving and pulling moves or flying into the ground backwards spinning.
What I do though is this.
1. Im on the tail of an enemy and have other team mates on the same target as well. I shoot till its dead. I dont back off.
2. Im comming into a fight where others are already engaging. If the plane is diving I get on the tail but dont engage untill I see the enemy pull up. If he pulls up I engage.
As I said I do my best to not steal kills but sometimes it happens by mistake because Im still a noob in lot of situations and I know just how frustrating it is.
Also what I as a noob would appriciate is pilots using voice coms more. Call it if the plane is going down.
This way I can just pick another target and engage it instead.
Tex
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I can usually tell (I say "usually" but I'd like to think "always") if a plane is falling backwards without it's tail or diving just as easily as I can make out a missing wing. And I've seen guys call out a kill when all they've done is knock off someone's flap or something (and I've had that "dead" plane come around and get me when I broke off). So yeah, there's times when you gotta use your judgement and observation skills. Sometimes players DO make mistakes and it's cool when they own up to it. Of course, after three or four times in a row it gets kinda suspicious, heh. But, like I said, wingless or tail-less planes are pretty easy for me to ID.
p.s. A burning plane doesn't neccesarily mean it's no longer a threat, either.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Here's one way to deal with open channel offenders.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5938
Why can I not engage in combat with you without you calling me a "studmuffin","COWARD" or "DWEEB" on the OPEN channel?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That made spit on my monitor, perfect opening line of you post!
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For new players this can be very disencouraging. Basicly new players need to get kills in their first 2 trial weeks or they wount subscribe to the game.
Man, it took me two months to start getting kills.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Man, it took me two months to start getting kills.
Depends on if one has played flight sims before or not.
On my first visit 2 years ago it took me like a week or so to get the first kill, on my 2nd visit a year ago I got kills the first night and on this stay it took me till the 2nd day.
But for a true noob Id say 1-2 months sounds about normal. Still its important to not make it worse for the noobs by stealing kills and beeing rude over com channels.
Games with very high learning curves usually have a quite bad noob retention rate. Its important to not make this worse.
Tex
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Here's one way to deal with open channel offenders.
not bashing you SirLoin but I thought that is why we have no open channel now? as in Channel 1 is gone............
how does it pertain to this thread?
as for kill stealing it will always happen..but the ones that happen mistakenly are usually announced on Range Vox or country channel and the guy apologizes.these are the class act flyers.......these are the type you should want to fly with........as for the others that give back foul words or offer no apology, let it go why lower yourself to their level of flying / skill.......they will one day wonder why they can't get any help when they truely need it then they will realize if they had not been acting like a kill scoring mongrel they would be enjoying the game much more and would have countrymen to come get them out of a bad situation!
:cool:
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
not bashing you SirLoin but I thought that is why we have no open channel now? as in Channel 1 is gone............
how does it pertain to this thread?
:cool:
errrr... check the date of that post. as for the relevancy... i guess it's more related to the "vulgarity" aspect of this thread than to the kill stealer.
:D
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Yeah I know it is a 3+ year old thread Shane, still was just saying :D