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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: WhiteHawk on August 29, 2004, 12:01:44 PM
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Somebody pointed out that OBL is innocent of the 911 attacks. I immediatley pointed out that he must be an idiot. Then he pointed out that there has yet to be a trail in th 911 attacks?
anybody know if this is true? They always try the perps, even if in abstencia. I think.
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That is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. The pig is the head of the group responsible..therefore guilty by default even if he wasn't involved with any part of it.
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Actually, that is very interesting. A trial would reveal the money trail in detail, among other things. I wonder if there ever will be a trial.
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IF there is a trial he would be innocent... until proven guilty.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
IF there is a trial he would be innocent... until proven guilty.
A flaw in our legal system for sure , in some circumstances
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Was Hitler ever tried? Some of you have really been taken in by Moore's lies and propaganda.
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No trail as of yet. But obl knows he can't afford trail . Since he already claim that he did it on his video feeds
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well he took credit publicly for the attacks. if you deflower the virgin daughter of a mob boss and brag about it all over town dont expect to get a chance to tell your side of the story before you wind up in a hole. hell never be taken alive tho unless hes caught alone and asleep. his own guys would never let it happen. in their mind its essential for him to go down as a martyr. even if he goes down looking like a smelly cube of 5.56 bloody swiss cheese or scattered all over the place courtesy of a jdam i think once hes dead the "recruitable masses" will forget about him sooner than later. martyrs for terrorists is like politicians kissing babies its been around so long its the norm and its lost its impact. its nothing new. "414th hamas cell leader dies a martyr while firing on israeli murderer soldiers from behind a wall of valiant kids". oh well i guess well hear about number 415 some time next week. already the thinking mans terroist recruits notice the fact thats its been awhile since their boys actually pulled something off against radical islams enemy number one.
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Originally posted by anonymous
well he took credit publicly for the attacks. if you deflower the virgin daughter of a mob boss and brag about it all over town dont expect to get a chance to tell your side of the story before you wind up in a hole.
Are you comparing the US to the Mob?
(jink jink)
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Interesting point. The 'lets roll' battle cry to start the trillion dollar military machine rolling on cell phone? In 2001, cell phones dont work on fast moving jets.:confused:
I have to admit..2 weeks ago i had no doubt OBL was the 3rd antichrist. Now, I am not so sure.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Was Hitler ever tried? Some of you have really been taken in by Moore's lies and propaganda.
Well ... don't we have stopped trialling dead people since the middle-age ?
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Ahhhh ... the good ol days.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
A flaw in our legal system for sure , in some circumstances
Where do you draw the lines if the rules only apply to some?
Could be an interesting debate, but im now just waiting for someone to call me a terrorist lover.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Are you comparing the US to the Mob?
(jink jink)
im a part of the us mob sonny. be glad youre a civvie who lives in the neighborhood in good standing. :)
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Interesting point. The 'lets roll' battle cry to start the trillion dollar military machine rolling on cell phone? In 2001, cell phones dont work on fast moving jets.:confused:
I have to admit..2 weeks ago i had no doubt OBL was the 3rd antichrist. Now, I am not so sure.
Utter BS. A friend of mine knows Todd Beamer's family well and she says "Let's Roll" was a long time family motto for them.
Dont let idotic mike moore conspiracy theories cloud your sanity... They are meant for the weak minded, are you one of them?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Are you comparing the US to the Mob?
(jink jink)
would the comparison be so far off?
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Originally posted by vorticon
would the comparison be so far off?
Arrogantly secure statements like this never fail to make me wish they were true...
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it seems bert was right...
HERE FISHY FISHY FISHY FISHY FISHY
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Interesting point. The 'lets roll' battle cry to start the trillion dollar military machine rolling on cell phone? In 2001, cell phones dont work on fast moving jets.:confused:
Speed doesn't have anything to do with it. It's the altitude that matters. From personal experience a cell phone works just fine at 5000ft. I'm sure you have specific information about the planes altitude?
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there are those who believe that it is a big cover up. using these links as an example only.
http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/911.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
hard to say what really happened here. if its true im moving out of the country cause its not the america i was raised to believe in:rofl :rofl :cool:
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Originally posted by dragoon
there are those who believe that it is a big cover up. using these links as an example only.
http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/911.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
hard to say what really happened here. if its true im moving out of the country cause its not the america i was raised to believe in:rofl :rofl :cool:
And you can honestly say there is anywhere better than here to live....for now we are the lesser of over 200 evils
Every country raises it's children on the "we are the only good country everyone else is evil propaganda" It's just part of life.
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Originally posted by dragoon
there are those who believe that it is a big cover up. using these links as an example only.
http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/911.html
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Chemtrails must be part of the 911 conspiracy aswell...:rolleyes:
Loonies running these websites make more harm than good to their cause. Then again, maybe these sites are part of the goverment cover up?:eek:
:D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
IF there is a trial he would be innocent... until proven guilty.
Bill of rights apply to US citizens, though given enough time the USSC will completely screw that up too.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Utter BS. A friend of mine knows Todd Beamer's family well and she says "Let's Roll" was a long time family motto for them.
Dont let idotic mike moore conspiracy theories cloud your sanity... They are meant for the weak minded, are you one of them?
Hmmmm..nice logic there grunherz. your friends friend is a friend of a families who motto is 'lets roll', there fore the cellular system, circa 2001, has the ability to process cellular calls from a high speed high altitude jet?? Any cellular guys out there?
By the way, I havent seen Mike Moores movie, I, unfortunatley, stumbled across some pictures of the Pentagon shorltly after the 911 attacks on it, and have come to the brutal realization that a 757 did not hit hit that building. Then it just snowballs out of control, so, if somebody doenst mind, i would be more than happy to get back on the OBL haters club. My own limited experience with cell phones on passenger jets prior to 2001 is that they dont work unless you are on the runway, either sitting still or landing or taking off, but in flight, no dice.
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Originally posted by mora
(http://www.geocities.com/theawakeningnews/awaken_banner_new.jpg)
Chemtrails must be part of the 911 conspiracy aswell...:rolleyes:
Loonies running these websites make more harm than good to their cause. Then again, maybe these sites are part of the goverment cover up?:eek:
:D
one thing is for sure. no one knows what happened for sure. i do think there is more to the story of 911 than we are being told. wouldnt be the first time the gov has been exposed in a lie.
they can find saddam within a few months, why cant they find OBL? unless of course he was "on the payrole." Even some ww2 war criminals were on the big payrole and that was covered up:D <--- is a fact, saw this on the history ch other night and have even read up on it a bit.
prolly more to this then we are being told. and history does repeat itself. our gov can be very shady at times. not saying i actually believe all this but i do think its very possible. and if in the event we ever find out the 911 was set up by the US to instagate a war for Iraq.....just an opinion:cool:
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My question is...why does everybody feel it's their duty to expose "lies" and conspiracies all the time....Most of the conspiracy theories don't change my life from day to day. The only thing that has changed for me since sept 11th is securitry around the base I work at, and some of our tactics. but my off work life...nothing(except the airport which should have been this way all along)
Oh and on Cell Phones:
a cell phone is nothing more than a radio...so how does the speed effect it? The data is moving at the speed of light.It's not a paoint to point operation, so as long as there is a tower to send/recieve the data then it would work. in fact at high altitude the range would be almost limitless depending on the power of the tranceiver.
But if you need and example...My wife was in labor. My mother-in-law got on the first available plane from New York to Florida. She called numerous times on her cell phone for the entire duration of the flight to find out whats going on, and that was Nov 10 2000.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Hmmmm..nice logic there grunherz. your friends friend is a friend of a families who motto is 'lets roll', there fore the cellular system, circa 2001, has the ability to process cellular calls from a high speed high altitude jet?? Any cellular guys out there?
By the way, I havent seen Mike Moores movie, I, unfortunatley, stumbled across some pictures of the Pentagon shorltly after the 911 attacks on it, and have come to the brutal realization that a 757 did not hit hit that building. Then it just snowballs out of control, so, if somebody doenst mind, i would be more than happy to get back on the OBL haters club. My own limited experience with cell phones on passenger jets prior to 2001 is that they dont work unless you are on the runway, either sitting still or landing or taking off, but in flight, no dice.
Do some research before making a complete noob of yourself. Cellphones were banned from inflight use because passengers using phones in high speed high altitude commercial flights confused the base stations. Early base stations had trouble matching the power levels and performing correct handoffs.
Cellphones have worked fine for many years on aircraft. High altitude jets are actually easier to handle as the arc of coverage and variance in power output required is less.
Now what evidence do you have that at a 757 did not hit the Pentagon. Please provide your credentials as well (ie air crash examiner etc).
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OBL is DEAD !! He died at Tora Bora two years ago. My only hope is that the cave he was in had enough OX that it took days to run out and he and his friends were digging with their fingernails to the end.
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The "if it doesn't affect me day to day, whats the difference?' menatlity is EXACTLY what the corrupted venues of our government hopes for from the majority. And for many many years they have been getting just that. Heres to looking forward to change, and a government that really is "of the people, by the people, for the people"'
I havent seen F-911 yet, But I have heard some VERY controversial topics from the movie, things like on 9/12 the Bin Laden family jet was able to fly all over America picking up various family members, and safely removing them from American soil. Apparently this happened while the rest of America, private pilots and commercial, was GROUNDED. I havent documented this, nor have I heard anyone deny it. But It wouldn't surprise me at all.
I feel like most of the operations America is involved in have hidden agendas. I have come to expect to be lied to by my governement, I expect to be overtaxxed, I expect to see my tax money wasted on goverment employess that don't actually work. And yes, I still feel its one of the best places to live, IF your middle or lower income. Many of the extremely wealthy families have removed most of their assets from the US to avoid over taxing, but "Joe SixPack" will stay & pay.
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And whether it can be proven he was or wasn't involved in the 9/11 attack, his actions since then have definately been intended to harm Americans & America.
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Cellphones work fine on planes before 9/11/2001... Everyting else you said in your response is just a retarded attempt to bellitle me and the the info I have about the Beamer family from a close mutual friend because this info is inconvenient to your luntic conspiracy theory nonsense.. Lemme guess your take on it is the CIA carefully researched every family on flight 93 and happend to find that this Todd Beamer guy's family motto is "let's roll." Evil CIA guys then though heck this is a great way to get the trillion dollar war machine going so lets attribute this statement to Beamer and have our slogan. Of course this level of preperation would imply that the CIA knew of 911 before hand.. But I'm sure you will fill us in witrh that story in your next post..
And now you dont belive a plane hit the Pentagon.. I wonder if there was no video of planes hittting thje wtc would you think that it was something else - despite millions of eye witnesses.. Whats your evidence of your pentagon idea? Some idiotic shot of a 757 superimposed over the pentagon? We've been through all that farcical nonse allready..
You know what, you can go fck urself because you are obviously mentally unstable and stupid. Why should I waste my time with you.. I was always amazed at the idea that people could deny the holocaust despite all the evidence, you 911 conspiracy niuts are exactly the same type of people. Crazy hateful people with some bizzare conspiracy agenda..
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You tell im Grun... freakin libruls!
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I havent seen F-911 yet, But I have heard some VERY controversial topics from the movie, things like on 9/12 the Bin Laden family jet was able to fly all over America picking up various family members, and safely removing them from American soil. Apparently this happened while the rest of America, private pilots and commercial, was GROUNDED. I havent documented this, nor have I heard anyone deny it. But It wouldn't surprise me at all.
All wrong. This was covered in the 9/11 hearings. No one in the Bin Laden family left the country without FBI knowledge. In addition the Bin Laden family had been denouncing OBL for years. They were not a part of the attack and no one (even Liberals) have been able to make that point. Well, yes there was MM but that's just 'Silly Putty'
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You tell im Grun... freakin libruls!
Hmm, wouldnt really say this a left right issue, certainly not in the mainstream sense. Unless you consider moore a mainstream figure...
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I admit I have not properly educated myself on Political affairs, Has OBL been removed from the family pay-roll and heirs?
And I really must say it doesn't sit well with me that the rest of America was grounded while the Bin Laden family was allowed flight. Perhaps I'd feel better if I knew some American VIPs were also allowed flight privvies, did the Trump Chopper fly on 9/12?
Anton
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No bin ladens were allowed to fly until the skies were opened up to commerical flights some days after 911.
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well, at least it wasn't special treatment.
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Originally posted by anton
I admit I have not properly educated myself on Political affairs, Has OBL been removed from the family pay-roll and heirs?
Pubicly at least, OBL (UBL?) has been ostracized from the family.
And I really must say it doesn't sit well with me that the rest of America was grounded while the Bin Laden family was allowed flight. Perhaps I'd feel better if I knew some American VIPs were also allowed flight privvies, did the Trump Chopper fly on 9/12?
Anton
Only the Military flew on Sept 12.
Sept. 13 — Limited commercial flights resume, some Bin Laden Family members fly to departure point.
Sept. 20 - Richard Clarke approves 26 passengers who were relatives of Osama bin Laden board one flight and depart the United States on Sept. 20, 2001.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Pubicly at least, OBL (UBL?) has been ostracized from the family.
Only the Military flew on Sept 12.
Sept. 13 — Limited commercial flights resume, some Bin Laden Family members fly to departure point.
Sept. 20 - Richard Clarke approves 26 passengers who were relatives of Osama bin Laden board one flight and depart the United States on Sept. 20, 2001.
I can confirm only military flights flew for the first few days after 9/11. I was on the USS LABOON(DDG-58) an aegis equiped destroyer on Operation Noble Eagle (we left port 2 hours after the attacks). The 2nd Fleet ships had the entire east coast covered with radar and in the Link-11/16/GCCS-M NATIONWIDE with Air Farts/and the Pacific Fleet..from my console I could see EVERY aircraft in flight in or around the United States. I assure you all, there were no commercial or privately owned aircraft that left during that time (we kept very presice logs on what was flying) . And as far as I know nothing left or entered our airspace other than US military cargo/transports. What MM did was to take the interviews that said "we were allowed to leave" and twisted it to look like they left immediately when really they left when the airspace opened up again.
What I meant to say before was we should watch our government, but alot of the scrutiny is getting out of hand. How can these people say they are screwing up America and our lives? If all they do is spend all their time looking for fault then they never live a normal American life so what the Fck do they know? I don't know how people live day to day just being angry and trying to find fault. Personally I vote for someone and then live with my decision, especially if the guy I voted for gets elected. Then I re-evalute the guy at the next election and If I feel I wasn't screwed I vote for him again. that way I don't sit there doing meaningless *****ing about who's in office my whole life.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You know what, you can go fck urself because you are obviously mentally unstable and stupid.
Oh My! :eek:
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Originally posted by straffo
Well ... don't we have stopped trialling dead people since the middle-age ?
We would have put Hitler on trial for war crimes but not before the war ended and he was captured. Not inconsistent to handle OBL the same way.
To hint that OBL hasn't been tried because Bush fears what then may be revealed about Saudi ties is very Mooresque and of course ridiculous.
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Originally posted by AKIron
To hint that OBL hasn't been tried because Bush fears what then may be revealed about Saudi ties is very Mooresque and of course ridiculous.
We know all too well about saudi money, there is nothing "mooresque" about that, it's the channels the money took getting there that would interest me. Not that there would be anything we could do about it but shake our head, but it would be interesting to see how many foreign banks were involved.
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I didn't think that OBL actually took credit in any of his videos or tapes. Can someone post a link to a transcript where he does?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I didn't think that OBL actually took credit in any of his videos or tapes. Can someone post a link to a transcript where he does?
Yes there is a tape of him discussing how it was planned and the way he thought the buildings would topple with his buddies in afghanistan...
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/
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"I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only," he said, according to a U.S. government translation. "This is all that we had hoped for."
Coolios, if he were to go to trial it would be pretty open and shut in my opinion based on the above statement alone.
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dragoon... what are yur thoughts on area 51?
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
IF there is a trial he would be innocent... until proven guilty.
Seeings that he took responsibility for the attacks in multiple communications, I say the trial lasts all of 5 mins....
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Somebody pointed out that OBL is innocent of the 911 attacks. I immediatley pointed out that he must be an idiot. Then he pointed out that there has yet to be a trail in th 911 attacks?
anybody know if this is true? They always try the perps, even if in abstencia. I think.
More to the point does he even exist?
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3 years now and no OBL... Nothing about him now for 2 years.. We stopped officially looking for him before the Iraqi war.. We got SH's entire family in less than 3 months..
If the American government really wants OBL, clearly OBL is smarter than the average american.. How else could he still be on the run??
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
If the American government really wants OBL, clearly OBL is smarter than the average american.. How else could he still be on the run??
Just maybe he died at the Tora Bora bombings and did not escape like all the main actors in Hollywood movies always do. Could this mean that we are not getting a sequel "Osama Strikes Back" after all this waiting? Say it aint so?!?!
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
3 years now and no OBL... Nothing about him now for 2 years.. We stopped officially looking for him before the Iraqi war.. We got SH's entire family in less than 3 months..
If the American government really wants OBL, clearly OBL is smarter than the average american.. How else could he still be on the run??
no one has yet officially stopped looking for him.
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Originally posted by anonymous
no one has yet officially stopped looking for him.
There is a quote, Im too lazy to look it up, from a military commander on the ground in Afganistan about the time we invaded there that finding OBL was not their priority.. It exist..
I'll give you we have not seen a presidential decree signed by congress to stop looking for him, but I dont hear too much about him anymore from our president and have not for a long period of time. Why is that you suppose? Are we trying to give OBL a false since of security so that we might be able to sneak up on him?
Its like: O no guy.. we arnt here to arrest you, we are just here to taste your humass..
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Booosh is protecting Bin Laden, for the full strory please go see Farenheit 911.
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Grun,
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
There is a quote, Im too lazy to look it up, from a military commander on the ground in Afganistan about the time we invaded there that finding OBL was not their priority.. It exist..
I'll give you we have not seen a presidential decree signed by congress to stop looking for him, but I dont hear too much about him anymore from our president and have not for a long period of time. Why is that you suppose? Are we trying to give OBL a false since of security so that we might be able to sneak up on him?
Its like: O no guy.. we arnt here to arrest you, we are just here to taste your humass..
i see. a single commander in afghanistan is quoted as saying he doesnt have finding obl as a priority. and this is where your deduction comes from. i could explain in detail but why bother. maybe its a possibilty that the tf looking for him isnt based in afghanistan because obl isnt guranteed to stay there. he has never been "not looked for" since the mid nineties.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Grun,
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Awesome, you want to see me die! :rofl
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Awesome, you want to see me die! :rofl
lmao
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Originally posted by anonymous
i see. a single commander in afghanistan is quoted as saying he doesnt have finding obl as a priority. and this is where your deduction comes from. i could explain in detail but why bother. maybe its a possibilty that the tf looking for him isnt based in afghanistan because obl isnt guranteed to stay there. he has never been "not looked for" since the mid nineties.
plz.. by all means go into detail..
The commander was THE commander in Afganistan.. Im sorry if my jargun is not military approved today. hehe
Would you say that finding OBL has been our top priority?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
plz.. by all means go into detail..
The commander was THE commander in Afganistan.. Im sorry if my jargun is not military approved today. hehe
Would you say that finding OBL has been our top priority?
i would say that valued assets have been organized to find and get him and these assets have never been wanting for support. and these assets were doing their stuff during the attack on iraq. ill risk getting burned and go into detail. majority opinion of people working on the problem think hes in a small area on "lawless" border between afghanistan and pakistan. pakis have been grinding into that area and bagging lots of important al qaeda personnel. weve got guys on that border getting into fights with the badguys all the time you just dont read about it on the front page. hes got until winter to get somewhere else or hes doomed. thats my call. wintertime comes he cant move easily and cant move without big chance of getting detected. it becomes a game of "check all the caves and hideouts one at a time". and as each group of al qaeda guys gets bagged by the pakis the fear of the locals giving him up for reward and being killed for it goes down. i thought he was dead at tora bora and i was there during anaconda. i was shocked when they verified that it was him on tape a little more than a year after that. but some very serious attention has been paid to getting him constantly since mid nineties.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
plz.. by all means go into detail..
The commander was THE commander in Afganistan.. Im sorry if my jargun is not military approved today. hehe
Would you say that finding OBL has been our top priority?
also not trying to be smartass here. top commander in afghanistan wouldnt speak for a tf that was working targets in afghanistan and other places. in fact hed get in trouble speaking for such a group not his place thats a centcom deal. top guy in afghanistan is going to play it safe and say "our top priority is stabilizing afghanistan". admitting he cares about obl could be used by badguys for recruiting and propoganda. "see obl is still feared by american puppets in afghanistan were still in the mix!".
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Originally posted by anonymous
also not trying to be smartass here. top commander in afghanistan wouldnt speak for a tf that was working targets in afghanistan and other places. in fact hed get in trouble speaking for such a group not his place thats a centcom deal. top guy in afghanistan is going to play it safe and say "our top priority is stabilizing afghanistan". admitting he cares about obl could be used by badguys for recruiting and propoganda. "see obl is still feared by american puppets in afghanistan were still in the mix!".
Ok.. think I can agree with all that.. but,
Would you say that finding OBL has been America's top priority in the war on terrorism?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Ok.. think I can agree with all that.. but,
Would you say that finding OBL has been America's top priority in the war on terrorism?
no id say top priority has been disrupting terror cell and terror organization so they cant do anything but hide or act locally in self defense. obl is a figurehead but in terms of "dangerous individual who will facilitate more serious attacks on us and allies" theres more dangerous guys out there even though no small number have been caught or killed. hes hiding and thats his best tactic. hide and make a tape every once in awhile to show the colors. even if he had a safe haven to walk around in in daylight he wouldnt risk directing operations on daily basis he was trained by us to work with very compartmentalized cells so not easily penetrated and sigint could only do so much harm.
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Originally posted by anonymous
no id say top priority has been disrupting terror cell and terror organization so they cant do anything but hide or act locally in self defense. obl is a figurehead but in terms of "dangerous individual who will facilitate more serious attacks on us and allies" theres more dangerous guys out there even though no small number have been caught or killed. hes hiding and thats his best tactic. hide and make a tape every once in awhile to show the colors. even if he had a safe haven to walk around in in daylight he wouldnt risk directing operations on daily basis he was trained by us to work with very compartmentalized cells so not easily penetrated and sigint could only do so much harm.
So, we finger him on 9/12 (or whatever) and set out to get him for a few months. Now what we have are a few people arrested or killed here and there that our government tells us that they are AQ members plotting to attack us? The only one that we, the people, know to be guilty is still on the run? I am to trust the same government,the one that sold me Iraqi, all these detainees are guilty for whatever reason? That all these names/people actually exist and are being brought down? But the head guy, the one with the money, power, and connections, is still on the run? The one MOST responsible is still on the run? We are unable to find/catch him? Its very very deep using this argument.. I must call BS..
Its either BS or OBL is outsmarting our entire country and apparently the world..
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Originally posted by Murdr
Bill of rights apply to US citizens, though given enough time the USSC will completely screw that up too.
Ahem... IIRC, the Bill of Rights isn't limited to U.S. citizens.
For example, the 13th amendment has also been used to protect illegal immigrants, IIRC.
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http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3
well..see if that link owrks. if not, search physics 911 and you will see a different side of the story. If OBL tried to convince me that a 757 could fit through that tiny hole without leaving wing scars and tail fin scars I would laugh in his face. Now , I am not saying that anyone other than a gifted forger with a camera is trying to sabatoge our goverment, but, I sure would feel a heck of a lot better with a good ole US Patroit style trail.
I cant believe that the same plane that is capable of knocking over a a WTC tower, didnt knock out the windows on the second floor.
Because, if 757 didnt go throgut that hole, then the 757 that was reported stolen is somewhere else, along with the bodies of the passengers and crew. You see, it is very important that a trail take place here and the perpretrators of this attempted hoax be brought to trail. (I am speaking either the fabricators of the evidence at this 911 website or the real masterminds of 911). The dead, the real victims, will surely want someone to pay for this.
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All meaningless. The hole in the pentagons steel reinforced concrete walls is exactly the size of the plane out to its engibes. The densest parts fuselage and engines made the hole. This is perfectly reasonable.
Back in the 1960s they did tests to see how well a nuclear sreel reinforced concrete reactor dome wall would stand up to an accidental jet plane crash. At the start of these teststhey would send a whole plane down a supersonic rocket rail at the wall. They quickly fopund out that the wings did no damage, they simply disintegrated. Even the fuselage mostly crumpled - by the end of the trst series they jusr shot bare jet engines down the the rail as they did the damage.
Dont trust these kook 911 sites. I remember that one of them spent pagese and pages discussing in great scientific sounding detail how a jet fuel fire could never even approach the melting point of steel (where it becomes a free floating liquid like you see in steel furnaces) and so that the wtc collapse must be atributed to bombs as well as the planes.
Pretty convincing huh?
Except nopne of these great scientific minds mentined that you dont need to melt steel into a liquid to greatly weaken the steel as it softens up with heat and becomes more elastic anyway before melting into liquid. Combined with the exensive structural damage from the massive high energy plane impacts the structure could not survive the load of tens of strories above the impact zone with the softened steel.
Basically only idiots belive these sites.
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That article looks like conspiracy theorist BS....They use alot of fancy math that they know the average person won't try to figure out.....What that article says is that we not only had prior knowledge of the attacks but knew EXACTLY when they would happen...No matter what alot of you nutjobs say I refuse to believe or government would have let such a serious attack happen like that if they could have stopped it, much less taken part in it. Why would we do it? Bush's approval ratings were fine then, we didn't use that as a justification for Iraq, so we would have gone in anyway. What would be the reason behind allowing the attacks to happen and Blowing up a building on our own? The WTC would have been enough to get the US aggitated, there would be no need for a gratuitous attack on ourselves.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
That article looks like conspiracy theorist BS....They use alot of fancy math that they know the average person won't try to figure out.....What that article says is that we not only had prior knowledge of the attacks but knew EXACTLY when they would happen...No matter what alot of you nutjobs say I refuse to believe or government would have let such a serious attack happen like that if they could have stopped it, much less taken part in it. Why would we do it? Bush's approval ratings were fine then, we didn't use that as a justification for Iraq, so we would have gone in anyway. What would be the reason behind allowing the attacks to happen and Blowing up a building on our own? The WTC would have been enough to get the US aggitated, there would be no need for a gratuitous attack on ourselves.
Get that logic out of this conspiracy nutjob thread!!!!!!
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Grun is just saying that because he is part of the conspiracy...so is anyone else that tries to refute the theories with thier so-called "facts", and scientific "evidence".
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Whitehawk, I hope you are a kid, because an adult has no excuse to be so ignorant.
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I have some friends who are ignorant adults, and they all seem to have excuses....
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Grun is just saying that because he is part of the conspiracy...so is anyone else that tries to refute the theories with thier so-called "facts", and scientific "evidence".
Eh what?
This must be the most unintelligable post you ever wrote on this BBS. :)
Anyway lets cut the BS and get to the point.
Do you belive that a 757 did not hit the pentagon as stated in thise conspiracy theories?
If not, then all is well, and I will just be stumped and left to wonder about your silly post.
If you do support the theories, please say so, so that I can get on with properly ridiculing your insanity.
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I have been browsing that Physics911 sight....Those nutjobs should be locked up...thats all I have to say...and before you guys start getting all pissy....sometimes you just have to say fck free speech...sometimes people go too far.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Whitehawk, I hope you are a kid, because an adult has no excuse to be so ignorant.
hehe nope. fully grown. Thanks for your educated input, I can rest easier now.
Grunherz. You are making my point for a trail, which is my only point here. lets get these 911 conspiracy kooks and hang em high. hell, I think a cupple lines in the patriot act will allow us to do that without a trail:D .
Imigine our shock and trauma during 911. I remember it well. it took me months to put the pieces of my mind back together. Those feelings pale in comparison to what i was feeling when I actually believed that someone would have the gall to perp this 911 thing, just so they could put some pieces of their own into my mind when I was defenseless. I am actually relieved that others can look at this and laugh. Back to life as usual. I am sorry if I caused anybidy any grief here. I really do think the forgers of these websites shoud be thoughroly investigated because this crap scared the bejeezus out of me.
It would be a relief to see our goverment do a 'by the book trial'.
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You don't try the mentally ill, you commit them and try and cure them.
Going by your concept, we would should also try the Creationists, the "never been to the moon" kooks and assorted other ignorant ultra melons.
I would suggest that you indicate that you do not yourself believe in such "theorys" when you post them, or accept that you will be thought to be a child or ignorant, or both.
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Originally posted by Lizking
You don't try the mentally ill, you commit them and try and cure them.
Going by your concept, we would should also try the Creationists, the "never been to the moon" kooks and assorted other ignorant ultra melons.
I would suggest that you indicate that you do not yourself believe in such "theorys" when you post them, or accept that you will be thought to be a child or ignorant, or both.
Or maybe just expatriate them all..when I get elected president in 2040 and declare myself emperor, there are gonna be alot of changes around here
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Grun, I was being sacastic.
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I only believe what i see with my real eyes, TV dont count since
ILM mixed reality & fiction ! ;)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Grun, I was being sacastic.
Oops my bad buddy! :)
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Whitehawk,
There are many many unanswered questioned from that day. Some even our government cant or wont answer. Feeling inquizitive about it is not a bad thing. Dont let the sheep here influence you. Who cares what most of them think as they are so set in their beliefs nothing short of a rapture (which isnt going to happen) would make them consider differently..
I for one believe 911 was/is not what we have been told.. Some of it may be true, but certainly not all of it. Too many things just 'happen' to have happened that day..
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How dare you call people who CHOOSE to believe the govt SHEEP!
I for one got most of my information from the media. The same media thaat has always hated this administration. I Cjoose to accept the govt's explanation. I made that decision. I didn't blindly take the govt's word for it. I'm sure that most feel they made their minds up themselves.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
That article looks like conspiracy theorist BS....They use alot of fancy math that they know the average person won't try to figure out......
lmao is that like 'fuzzy' math? The average person given 5 mins could figure any of that stuff out.. 8)
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Originally posted by Coolridr
How dare you call people who CHOOSE to believe the govt SHEEP!
I for one got most of my information from the media. The same media thaat has always hated this administration. I Cjoose to accept the govt's explanation. I made that decision. I didn't blindly take the govt's word for it. I'm sure that most feel they made their minds up themselves.
Really? What did you specifically question from that day?
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
lmao is that like 'fuzzy' math? The average person given 5 mins could figure any of that stuff out.. 8)
Maybe they could...Nothing I've seen on any of the sites that support your beliefs has shown any REAL facts to discredit the govt's claims. If people like you hate the govt so much...then leave...no one will miss you.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Maybe they could...Nothing I've seen on any of the sites that support your beliefs has shown any REAL facts to discredit the govt's claims. If people like you hate the govt so much...then leave...no one will miss you.
Sorry but you have no idea my beliefs and I hate nothing.. Well, maybe I hate hate.. What does that make me Holden?
Real facts? Real to who?
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No shortage of conspiracy theories on the market today. Anyone can find one to fit their budget.
I find it amusing that some will entertain all sorts of wild ideas when it suits their ideology yet tout Occam's Razor at the drop of a hat for others.
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Originally posted by AKIron
No shortage of conspiracy theories on the market today. Anyone can find one to fit their budget.
I find it amusing that some will entertain all sorts of wild ideas when it suits their ideology yet tout Occam's Razor at the drop of a hat for others.
Exactly
And "dude" You are arguing for the other side of the debate,therefore you must belive what you are defending right?
I just don't know how people can devote their entire lives to trying to find fault with the govt. They probrably make a good living at it too. Taking your donations to fund their research on these nutjob conspiracy theories, and pocketing it. Hell they say the govt is ruining our lives, but they don't live a normal American life so what the fck would they know. They are too busy looking over their shoulders and hiding down dark alleyways hoping the streetlight doesn't reflect off their alluminum hat.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I find it amusing that some will entertain all sorts of wild ideas when it suits their ideology yet tout Occam's Razor at the drop of a hat for others.
Yes yes! Indeed how ironic!
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What no response?
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Originally posted by Coolridr
What no response?
Me? to what? Did you ask something?
O, I see now..
What I believe? I believe our government is not always 100% honest to we the people..
How much time do I spend debunking our government? If this is debunking, this is actually my first attempt this year..
What have you read about 911 that so convinces you and absolves our government?
You say news outlets are you prime source? They would tell if Bush was lying cause they hate him? The same ones that called him out on Iraqi? The same ones that call him out on national debt/defecit? Come now, surely you know that doesnt hold dirt much less water..
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Sorry we must have posted at the same time...look at mine just above your last one.
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Coolridr,
see my above post please. I edited..
Also, I would like to add that contrary to the believer that all conspiracy theorist are nutjobs(maybe some are), quakes, flukes, trouble making debunkers, ****ing *******s, or ignorant fools they are attempting(in most cases) to provide the average person with another look/idea on something. In most cases(from my observations) they ask nothing of their readers. They simply offer a new thought on something. They do not pander for money. They do not condemn the disbeliever. They do not tell you what you want to hear. They simply offer an idea. Believe or not is left to the reader.
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Every website I've seen has a donation button on it...How much money does it take to pay for webhosting?
I do get alot from the media. I try to watch as much as possible from alot of sources to try to get a balanced view. It's too bad that most lean to the left.
I do not believe they are 100% honest either. To do so would be dangerously nieve. In fact I think we are lied to alot. But such is politics.
What convinces me is that I've spent alot of time researching both sides of the coin ever since the first time I heard of some of these groups trying to blame the govt. I have found nothing that I feel is factual that debunks the claims of the govt. as far as the actual attacks are concerned.
I do believe we should have been better prepared for something like this.
I do not believe we had enough intel prior to this to have even attempted to prevent it.
I absolutely do not believe that we crashed a plane/missile/fighter into ANY of the buildings ourselves.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Every website I've seen has a donation button on it...How much money does it take to pay for webhosting?
I'm certain you dont just mean the conspiracy therorist websites? You mean any religious, political, porn, or any other site with an agenda. There are so many agendas. I myself have not noticed.
I do get alot from the media. I try to watch as much as possible from alot of sources to try to get a balanced view. It's too bad that most lean to the left.
Im sorry, but in my view it is impossible to get a 'balanced' view from US media alone. There are some 6 corporations that control everything you see on TV and hear on Radio. I also do not have an answer for this.
What convinces me is that I've spent alot of time researching both sides of the coin ever since the first time I heard of some of these groups trying to blame the govt. I have found nothing that I feel is factual that debunks the claims of the govt. as far as the actual attacks are concerned.
Seven buildings, two planes at the wtc.....
I do believe we should have been better prepared for something like this.
I do not believe we had enough intel prior to this to have even attempted to prevent it.
I absolutely do not believe that we crashed a plane/missile/fighter into ANY of the buildings ourselves.
What is enough intel? Is it enough that many leading coutries in the world told us we were about to be attacked? Is it enough that our president recieved a memo stating we were going to be attacked? Is it enough that FBI sources said we would be attacked? All this was pre-911. When a memo crossing the president's desk stating fact is not enough, is it possible to have enough?
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A fine example of just a small peek from that day..
In hearings last Friday, Sen. Dayton (D-MN) raised an obvious point: if the timeline of air defense response as promoted in the Kean Commission's best-selling book is correct, then the timeline presented repeatedly by NORAD during the last two years was completely wrong. Yet now no one at NORAD is willing to comment on their own timeline!
When the official story of 9/11 can be changed repeatedly without anyone ever being held accountable, we have no right to ever again expect honest government. Please read the following story and do your part to support Sen. Dayton for highlighting the contradiction, and to encourage the media to follow up.
Now that the Kean Commission has published the new timeline in its final report, these contradictions must not be simply swept under the rug. Either the Kean Commission is wrong, or else NORAD was pushing a flawed timeline for more than two years. Either way, the FAA story still differs from both.
Instead of accountability, several of the key figures - Gens. Myers and Eberhard, FAA official Ben Sliney - have been promoted since Sept. 11! Yet one or more of them must be wrong about what happened on 9/11.
Asked about Dayton's allegation, a spokesman for Colorado Springs-based NORAD said, "We stand on our testimony to the commission" and declined to discuss the 2001 chronology. Erin Utzinger, a spokeswoman for Dayton, said the senator "assumes the FAA knew of NORAD's coverup."
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607
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Originally posted by Lizking
You don't try the mentally ill, you commit them and try and cure them.
Going by your concept, we would should also try the Creationists, the "never been to the moon" kooks and assorted other ignorant ultra melons.
I would suggest that you indicate that you do not yourself believe in such "theorys" when you post them, or accept that you will be thought to be a child or ignorant, or both.
Your taunts amuse me lizking. Your defense against a trail is sadly lacking , however. Can u not see the difference between 'we didnt go to the moon, really'' and 'who really murdered 3000 men women and children'? What crime has been committed by the creationist? Free speech? Why a trail fro the 'moon kooks'. Who did they murder? Right now, timothy McVeigh is the number 1 mass murder in US history, possibly the world. Without a trail, he will remain there. Are you afraid that OBL wont be convicted? How about a little closure to the families? I challenge your 'grown up-ness', once again with the questions. Why is there no effort by the US to conduct a trail, as required by international law. The same laws that the US agreed to, if not demanded. ?
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OBL is not innocent.
Otoh there has not been proven any connection between OBL/911 and Iraq (and they still havent found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq- and yes Saddam Hussein was an brutal ass-hole of a dictator).
And BinLaden family members were allowed to leave the US after 9/11 - though after the airspace was reopened - point is why were they allowed to leave just like that?
Considering the connection between the Bush family and Saudi Arabia and the BinLadens it all gets rather dirty imho.
From the September 11 Commission's 567-page report:
"142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after September 13. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 556, n. 25"
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I have to admit..2 weeks ago i had no doubt OBL was the 3rd antichrist. Now, I am not so sure.
Convinced now?
Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.
In what appeared to be conciliatory language, bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon so Americans would know how to act to prevent another attack.
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You didn't like my foot in your ass, but how do you like your foot in your mouth, WhiteHawk.
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Originally posted by GScholz
He is at least partly right. OBL should be put on trial for his crimes just like McVeigh.
Death penalty if found guilty or not?
(Apologies for last nights comments, found out my Step father has an untreatable cancer last week and this weeks been hell. No condolences needed, please hold them)
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wow this thread went to 3 pages fast.
Perhaps this link would be better served here then where I originally had it.
Not my writing but interesting and very well documented reading nontheless
http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg (http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg)
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Originally posted by Lizking
You didn't like my foot in your ass, but how do you like your foot in your mouth, WhiteHawk.
Be specific so I can reply. What have I said here that was inaccurate? And be all growed up and try not to break any of the forum rules.:)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Ok.. think I can agree with all that.. but,
Would you say that finding OBL has been America's top priority in the war on terrorism?
Was finding, capturing, and killing Hitler the top priority in World War II?
Here's a clue for the clueless: Terrorists are like cockroaches. You can kill their top man, and a dozen others will step up to take his place. Best to pursue every terrorist you can, as relentlessly as possible. If you catch the current top cockroach, marvelous. If not, kill as many as possible and destroy their infrastructure, keep them off balance, and unable to make an effective counter response.
Look at the situation in Israel. They've been able to kill off some of the top members of Hamas and Hezbollah. While more cockroaches have taken the places of the top cockroaches who got stomped, Hamas and Hezbollah have been seriously damaged, and have not been nearly so successful in attacking Israel. It is not because the top cockroaches are dead, it's because the lights are on and the cockroaches are scurrying to evade the RAID.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Was finding, capturing, and killing Hitler the top priority in World War II?
Here's a clue for the clueless: Terrorists are like cockroaches. You can kill their top man, and a dozen others will step up to take his place. Best to pursue every terrorist you can, as relentlessly as possible. If you catch the current top cockroach, marvelous. If not, kill as many as possible and destroy their infrastructure, keep them off balance, and unable to make an effective counter response.
Look at the situation in Israel. They've been able to kill off some of the top members of Hamas and Hezbollah. While more cockroaches have taken the places of the top cockroaches who got stomped, Hamas and Hezbollah have been seriously damaged, and have not been nearly so successful in attacking Israel. It is not because the top cockroaches are dead, it's because the lights are on and the cockroaches are scurrying to evade the RAID.
Hmmmm. Thinkin out loud here, Bin Laden, alleged largest mass murder on the planet, committed the most haneous crime of our time, murdering thousands of US citizens on US soil, is no big deal if he shows up on TV rallying the muslim lunitics to spill US blood at any chance.
Saddam, having been castrated from the nose down after the gulf war, sanctions isolating the country, not allowing any terrorists groups to operate in Iraq, is hunted down in a bunny hole in some remote barnyard, for, hmmmm, what? I forgot. Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier.
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"Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier."
I’m curious Whitehawk. If you where the prez, how would you have gotten Bin Laden?
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier."
I’m curious Whitehawk. If you where the prez, how would you have gotten Bin Laden?
He would have kissed Chirac's bellybutton and begged OBL to stop and be nice.
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
"Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier."
I’m curious Whitehawk. If you where the prez, how would you have gotten Bin Laden?
I would employ the same tactics to find Osama as I did to find Saddam.
Now, my question for you. Why didnt Bush employ the same tactics to find Bin Laden as he did for saddam?
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Yea, Driedock. Interesting stuff there. Hmmmmm.
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I would employ the same tactics to find Osama as I did to find Saddam.
Then your of the option, OBL is still hiding in a cave in Afghanistan?
Why didnt Bush employ the same tactics to find Bin Laden as he did for saddam?
If he's in Pakistan, how would these tactics play out in the eyes of the folks in Pakistan? Or say, Iran?
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I would employ the same tactics to find Osama as I did to find Saddam. Now, my question for you. Why didnt Bush employ the same tactics to find Bin Laden as he did for saddam?
He did. They didn't work. Do your homework. ;)
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Then your of the option, OBL is still hiding in a cave in Afghanistan?
If he's in Pakistan, how would these tactics play out in the eyes of the folks in Pakistan? Or say, Iran?
You didnt answer the question.
Why didnt the Bush administration use the same tactics to hunt and find bin laden s they did saddam? Relentless overwhelming shock and awe until the job is done?
I dont think its fair that you ask 2 more questions while evading the 1 I asked you, since I was kind enuff to answer yours.
But just to reinforce good faith, I will answer them as best I can.
1. Am I of the option (I hope you mean opinion here) that OBL is hiding in a cave. No. Do you remember the afghan war when bin laden was in tora bora? We knew where he was and he was in a cave?
2. What does the folks in pakistan or iran feel if we went looking for OBL in their counjtries?
if the good folks of pakistan are entertaining Bin Laden, we have the right to go in and get him. According to new national policy, we dont need permission from a country in order to invade it. And since it is a well established fact that Pakistan has harbored many anti US terrorists groups, including al-queada, prior to 911 AND pakistan has WMD, we would be fully justified in invasion. Remember that a few of the hijackers were pakastani.
As far as Iran goes, we all have read that they are 100% committed to going forward with their nuclear program, and they have told the Inspectors to kiss off. Iran continues to harbor and train Anti US terrorist groups, so again, according to our new policy, they are in no position to request the US not to invade them.
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Originally posted by VOR
He did. They didn't work. Do your homework. ;)
Oh, thats a relief. As long as we arent looking for OBL anymore. It would be embarassing if we were still trying to find him. Thanks for the schooling.:)
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Oh, thats a relief. As long as we arent looking for OBL anymore. It would be embarassing if we were still trying to find him. Thanks for the schooling.:)
Not an objective bone in your body? Whatever floats your boat.
Edit: I mistook you for someone interested in facts. Sorry for bothering you. :)
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Originally posted by GScholz
He is at least partly right. OBL should be put on trial for his crimes just like McVeigh.
IF, and thats a big IF....they catch him alive he will be put on trial.
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Originally posted by VOR
Not an objective bone in your body? Whatever floats your boat.
Edit: I mistook you for someone interested in facts. Sorry for bothering you. :)
Sorry VOR, I was trying to speak how you speak.
He did. They didnt work. Do your Homework.
Let me see, I dont like putting words into peoples mouths, but I took this to mean,' Bush did try the same tactics they used to find saddam, they didnt work. You (whitehawk) need to do a bit more research before you make wild accusations.'
OK, they did try to catch bin laden, I agree. Did they use the same tactics that used to catch saddam. No. saddam is in prison, OBL is laid back doing newscasts.
I will admit, the only evidnce I have that Bush is not making an honest effort to catch Bin Laden is the fact that bin laden is making newscasts, healthy as ever, obviously comfortable and clean, where as saddam had to finally crawl out of a hole in a state of obvious disreapair after months on the run.
How do you see it VOR. Please, I am but a simple person. Could you use complete sentences?:aok
But the point is, Bin Laden, is apparently comfortable in showing himself on tape, in good health, and up to date on current events, while bush is searching for a can of mustard gas in the iraqi desert.
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Originally posted by Elfie
IF, and thats a big IF....they catch him alive he will be put on trial.
They will never catch OBl alive. He will die a marter in the next terror strike. Then he will shave, put on his suit and tie, and retire a multimillioaire in florida.
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Saddam was discovered and ultimately captured not because of sheer military might or an outstanding network of intelligence operatives and super-duper spy satellites. He (and his sons)were found because, due to a lack of love/loyalty brought about by their own behavior upon their own subjects, they were betrayed for a reward in US dollars. This is a fact.
OBL has a price on his head and has for a long time. The difference between the two cases is a simple matter of A) who exactly knows where he is and B) whether or not those people value him as a leader and figurehead enough to turn down a sizeable bribe for information.
In both cases (OBL and Saddam), an all-out effort to locate them turned up nothing but a warm bed where they had slept only hours before. Close, but no cigar.
OBL is not a jackbooted dictator who has murdered and tortured his peasantry for years and years. He is a very sly and crafty SOB who has taken great care to ensure that he is surrounded by crackpots who are fiercely loyal to him and absolutely trustworthy. They are not motivated by government positions of power in a nation held hostage nor by the promise of wealthy, lavish lifestyles. They are motivated purely by their ideologies. This fact stands out above all as the primary reason that the exact same tactics used to capture Saddam have not worked on apprehending OBL.
The search continues, despite a lack of nightly news updates to remind you of the fact. OBL is hardly newsworthy when he's competing against National Guard records, Purple Hearts, and the electoral college unless he appears personally in an attempt to influence an election.
Considering that human intelligence (called HUMINT) efforts to locate OBL have thus far failed to produce a productive, timely lead the alternative has been to search the old fashioned way: systematically cave-to-cave, under every rock, in every known hideout and camp and to dicover what can be discovered along the way. Compared to how inefficient this method is versus some Haji picking up the phone and telling us where he is, well, you get the idea.
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"Why didnt the Bush administration use the same tactics to hunt and find bin laden s they did saddam? Relentless overwhelming shock and awe until the job is done?"
The purpose of shock and awe was to suppress Iraqi opposition. It had nothing to do with the capture of Saddam. If he had somewhere to run, we’d still be looking for him.
"1. Am I of the option (I hope you mean opinion here) that OBL is hiding in a cave. No. Do you remember the afghan war when bin laden was in tora bora? We knew where he was and he was in a cave?:"
Sure, I don’t remember hearing about any irrefutable intelligent that he was actually there or hiding in cave A, B or C. The military believed he was due to the number of AQ in the area. As far as I know, he may have left Afghanistan long before that operation took place.
"2. What does the folks in pakistan or iran feel if we went looking for OBL in their counjtries? if the good folks of pakistan are entertaining Bin Laden, we have the right to go in and get him."
Well, seeing your upset with Bush for not moving on Pakistan or Iran, to get OBL. Then I don’t believe you’ll be happy with the outcome for prez, regardless who wins.
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
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Well, seeing your upset with Bush for not moving on Pakistan or Iran, to get OBL. Then I don’t believe you’ll be happy with the outcome for prez, regardless who wins. [/B]
Hmmm, the guy before seemed to feel that if Bin Laden was not hiding in a cave in afghanistan, he was pretty much free, because we may irritate the good people of pakistan and Iran if we were to go in and look for him. I was simply stating that the policy that permitted us to invade Iraq would also permit us to invade either of those 2 countries.
Its just a basic disagreement. We both see the same pictures and come up with different conclusions.
I am not irate that OBl is alive. I am irate that he his alive and well, obviously not worried, he gave a relatively peaceful radio adrress the good people of the US. I just see this as a miserable failure on the Bush team.
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“I was simply stating that the policy that permitted us to invade Iraq would also permit us to invade either of those 2 countries.”
Ahhhh, that was sarcasm. You still haven’t answered the question regarding what you would do differently to get OBL.
“I am not irate that OBl is alive. I am irate that he his alive and well, obviously not worried, he gave a relatively peaceful radio adrress the good people of the US. I just see this as a miserable failure on the Bush team.”
Why your irate is still a mystery to me. You really don’t come across as someone who would “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” to get OBL. Would I hear cheers of jubilation if the Bush Team rolled into Pakistan or Iran to reduce your anxieties over OBL appearance?
Why should he look worried? He knows our government, regardless of who is president, is hamstrung if he’s in some other country. The man is trying to come across as a winner and your falling for it, for whatever the reason. He’s looking to buy time to rebuild AQ. If nothing else, Tora Bora proved he’s more than willing to cut and run to save his own butt at the expense of his minions. PR problem, most of his top lieutenants are either dead or in the can. Intelligent people don’t want to die for a loser and they are needed to run a organization like AQ.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Was finding, capturing, and killing Hitler the top priority in World War II?
Is this like comparing marbles and basketballs?? lol You can't, with reason, compare OBL and Hitler. Two different problems all together..
Here's a clue for the clueless: Terrorists are like cockroaches. You can kill their top man, and a dozen others will step up to take his place. Best to pursue every terrorist you can, as relentlessly as possible. If you catch the current top cockroach, marvelous. If not, kill as many as possible and destroy their infrastructure, keep them off balance, and unable to make an effective counter response.
Kill one, make two more..